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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997

From: CARMEN

Subject: Re: Seems like we still have some bugs to work out for the list!

 

To all:

Hi! I think that the duplication is because there is a BTE-E-mail list

AND a BT mailing list. It looks like the message I sent got sent to the

E-mail list, and then got CC'd to the mailing-list and back to me again.

This ONLY happened with the message I sent however. None of the other

messages I received from the list were duplicated.

Chat soon,

Tory

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:25:20 -0500 (EST)

From: CARMEN

Subject: Re: Seems like we still have some bugs to work out for the list!

 

I Knew I forgot something! The duplicate messages I received were

slightly different apparently (2,120 bytes vs. 2,099) but I couldn't

spot anything. This also happened with the triple message (two short, one

longer), again by only a few bytes. I hope this helps.

Tory

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From: "David

Subject: Welcome to the newcomers

Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:06:21 -0000

 

A quick note to all you newcomers to the list, to show you it is working,

and invite you to post articles to the list for discussion. You can also

ask questions through the list, although we would prefer you to do that on

the Q&A page of the web site.

Regards, David.

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:42:17 -0500 (EST)

Subject: What a Movie

From: Gary

 

When I went to see Beautiful Thing, I was clueless as to any background on

the movie. I think I saw a blurb about it on a news list and recognized

the films name when it came to town. I am completely blown away by the

film. By comparison all of the other gay films I've seen come up short in

comparison. It was so real. I could relate to many of the situations the

boys go through in the film with each other and their families.

I was happy to see a film about gays that doesn't try to make them the

victim and doesn't pander to every single stereotype. I am lucky enough to

have an excellent art house cinema in my town which ran Beautiful Thing for

2 weeks and I was able to enjoy it several times. This is the first film

that I have ever wanted to purchase on video.

I wish every teen in America could see the film, there is so little offered

for gay teens here. And when the American movie industry includes gay

characters they are hollow at best. Hurray for the British for getting it

right.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:27:25 +1100

From: Graeme

Subject: test letter

 

Hi Beautiful Thing list subscribers,

I've seen the movie 6 times. From the moment I saw the movie trailer I

just about wet myself - I've never hassled a theatre about a movie

opening date before. I was at the first Sunday preview at the "Dendy"

in Newtown (inner-west Sydney, Australia). It was on for a few months

in Sydney and I'd often pop into a session after work when I'd had

particularly hard day.

The thing that keeps popping into my head about that movie is, "why

wasn't my childhood like that?". I really could have done with a Jamie

or Ste when I was 15.

Every scene in the movie seems to be relevant - you've got to keep on

your toes all time even on repeated viewings. The accents are wonderful

- some of the lines I didn't understand until the 5th time I saw the

movie. It's soooo English and really feeds my obsession with London and

Britian generally.

I've been to London before but I'd love to go to Thamesmead in the

summer. Can you imagine - there'll be all these poofs walking around

with maps looking for "Beautiful Thing" locations!

Graeme

Sydney, Australia

 

 

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From: "Shaun

Subject: Test Letter

Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:17:20 -0500

 

Greetings to all

A big thanks to David and Andi for making all this possible.

This movie has meant so much to me. I am still dealing with the coming out

thing, and seeing BT made me realize that all gay people aren't like they're

protrayed in most movies.

I only wish that my theatre had carried it for longer than a week.

Shaun

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:14:07 -0800

From: Nathan

Subject: my test letter

 

I, too have received three copies of that post...but enough of that.

I have seen the film about 11 times, which seems pathological to me, but I

don't care. I am just glad to finally see a film which offers validation to

the existence of thousands of people...something hitherto not done (for our

age group). I just turned 22, but am at a very conservative university in

Stockton, CA. It's nice to see a film which is not about sex, but love and

romance instead. Beautiful Thing is beginning to fill the void that existed

in film. Cheers to all!

*nathan*

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:35:40 -0500

From: ceursit

Subject: Re: Seems like we still have some bugs to work out for the list!

 

Hi

You're not alone. I got triple messages twice. Is there any way to fix

it? I really love to see this mailing list works.

Neil

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:38:58 -0800

From: Jay

Subject: My visit to Thamesmead

 

Beautiful Thing played for 3 months at the Lumiere Theatre in San

Francisco, most of the time on more than one screen at a time. I saw it

12 times, and each time was fresh, new. I enjoyed experiencing the

different audiences' responses to the movie - it was like a new

performance each time. At first the audiences were mostly gay men, but

later there were a lot of young straight couples mixed in. Of course, I

took all of my friends to it (straight & gay).

Now that BT isn't playing here any more, I am sort of going cold turkey. I

have the CD, but the video won't be released until April or so here in the

US. So David & Andi's web site, and now this listserv are my BT

connection for the time being.

Via a trail of serendipity I have been able to arrange to stay 4 days in

London in the middle of March. So, I am planning to visit the Glouster, the

Cutty Sark Tavern, and Thamesmead. Is anyone leading tours yet? Any

other suggestions of what to do while I'm there?

- Jay

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:36:54 -0800

From: Jay

Subject: Re: Seems like we still have some bugs to work out for the

 

list!

I too am recieving 3 copies: one from the sender to Beautiful Thing

EMAIL List, then a CC: to BT Mailing List, and finally a BCC to myself

). So maybe that will help you trace the bug,

David.

 

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From: "Andi

Subject: Re: Seems like we still have some bugs to work out for the list!

Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:51:57 -0000

 

I got it 3 times too!

carmen, I aslo got yours twice!

I will have a word with Davie in a sec about it,

laters Guys

Andi

PS. New page on the website from the Oxford World Aids Day

showing

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:46:46 -0500 (EST)

From: CARMEN

Subject: Re: Seems like we still have some bugs to work out for the list!

 

Hi! One possible bug that I ran across was that I received this message

3 times, in two different versions. Did anyone else experience this? It

may just be a bug at my end, since I had another triply repeated message

last November, although that appeared to be someone who was just being

annoying. As for Beautiful Thing, Wow! I saw it again monday, and I was

practically saying the lines along with the actors! It lifts your heart

to see a film that doesn't make falling in love (gay pairing or straight)

into either a comedy or a tragedy, but just shows reality, with its

humour, its pain, and its joy. I hope that this film inspires alot more

like it.

Tory

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:46:46 -0500 (EST)

From: CARMEN

Subject: Re: Seems like we still have some bugs to work out for the list!

 

Hi! One possible bug that I ran across was that I received this message

3 times, in two different versions. Did anyone else experience this? It

may just be a bug at my end, since I had another triply repeated message

last November, although that appeared to be someone who was just being

annoying. As for Beautiful Thing, Wow! I saw it again monday, and I was

practically saying the lines along with the actors! It lifts your heart

to see a film that doesn't make falling in love (gay pairing or straight)

into either a comedy or a tragedy, but just shows reality, with its

humour, its pain, and its joy. I hope that this film inspires alot more

like it.

Tory

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From: "David

Subject: Re: Seems like we still have some bugs to work out for the list!

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:32:58 -0000

 

Okay, the list is starting to work... and YES, I did post three versions of

the same message yesterday, the reason being I was watching the server's

reactions :-)

Andi and I were out on the town last night, didn't get home until very

late, had too much to drink and so he's still in bed right now, and I'm

drunk in charge of the pooter!

No rest for the wicked either, all three of us (Mikey too) are off out to

the monthly gay event called Fruitopia at my Univeristy - first time for

all of us (hehehe!).

Mikey is downstairs in the lounge with his classical music, playing along

to it on his clarinet, which is usually okay with me, but the way my head

is right now, it's driving me potty.

I probably should apologise just in case anyone was miffed by Andi's two

posts to the list last night when we got in - to his credit he didn't

remember posting them until I told him I had received them :-)

Well, off I go to try and sober up, starting with a breakfast at 2.30 in

the afternoon - tsk tsk!

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:41:30 -0600

From: Kyle

Subject: Re: Seems like we still have some bugs to work out for the

list!

 

At 02:32 PM 1/23/97 -0000, you wrote:

>Okay, the list is starting to work... and YES, I did post three versions of

>the same message yesterday, the reason being I was watching the server's

>reactions :-)

>

>Andi and I were out on the town last night, didn't get home until very

>late, had too much to drink and so he's still in bed right now, and I'm

>drunk in charge of the pooter!

>

>No rest for the wicked either, all three of us (Mikey too) are off out to

>the monthly gay event called Fruitopia at my Univeristy - first time for

>all of us (hehehe!).

>

>Mikey is downstairs in the lounge with his classical music, playing along

>to it on his clarinet, which is usually okay with me, but the way my head

>is right now, it's driving me potty.

>

>I probably should apologise just in case anyone was miffed by Andi's two

>posts to the list last night when we got in - to his credit he didn't

>remember posting them until I told him I had received them :-)

>

>Well, off I go to try and sober up, starting with a breakfast at 2.30 in

>the afternoon - tsk tsk!

>

You don't know what fun is until you've seen me wired on caffeine at 3am :))

Add a few sugar cookies to the mix and the results are rather spectacular. :)

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:28:21 -0500 (EST)

Subject: My own private Thamesmead

From: hamish

 

Back in October, when I saw "Beautiful Thing" here in Toronto, I found

myself:

- in love with the movie

- going back to see it whenever I could (someone described in a posting

their "pathological" fixation on the movie. Yeah, that was me, too.)

- very confused about my own relationship

At first I appreciated my partner, glad that I'd found love, even though it

was fairly late along compared to Jamie and Ste (I'm 28, and we've been

together for about four years). Then I got to feeling that my relationship

had none of the spark I was so drawn to in the movie. Now, January, it looks

like we're splitting up. Now, I wouldn't be so foolish as to blame the

movie; it just shone a light on the situation, helping me realize that a

relationship should be fun, exciting, and (go figure) romantic. I also

recognize that movies are ideals, and ideals, as Mr. Nietzsche said, "are

dangerous because they denigrate and stigmatize what is actual".

All that said, I find myself still coming back to this movie. And now

there's this group of us all responding to it. Has anybody else had an

experience like this?

God, I can just picture it now: me, single, going to "Beautiful Thing"

conventions, a bunch of Klingons gathered just down the hall.

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From: "Andi

Subject: IRC

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:03:47 -0000

 

Hiya All,

Some of you may know about IRC, some of you are already on

it. Just to let you know that We (as in me Davie and Mikey)

are all on it from 6pm UK time, on the UK side, most

evenings

Our Nick names are as follows if you wanna look out for us.

Davie or TheDavie = Davie ......obvious really :-)

XR3i-21 = Andi changing to XR3i-22 on 29th January :(

Mikey21 = Mikey

We get on irc.stealth.net, irc.uk.pi.net or irc.demon.co.uk

servers so if we're on, drop us a message :)) Davie says

that some people in the US may not be able to get on the UK

servers, but you'll have to try to find out, I don't know

much on that score. You could contact your ISP as regards

IRC, which sounds like the best or better option.

Catch you all Laters

Andi

x

PS. if you don't know about IRC, you can get it from

http://www.mirc.co.uk/

which it where you go to get the client software to enable

you to get on IRC.

PPS Check out the Oxford Page and let me knw what you

think, 1st one that Davie lemmie do on my own :)) url is

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:13:48 +0000 (GMT)

From: Paul

Subject: Re: My own private Thamesmead

 

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, hamish wrote:

> Then I got to feeling that my relationship

> had none of the spark I was so drawn to in the movie. Now, January, it looks

> like we're splitting up. Now, I wouldn't be so foolish as to blame the

> movie; it just shone a light on the situation, helping me realize that a

> relationship should be fun, exciting, and (go figure) romantic.

I've been seeing someone since August last year, but from the start it's

pretty much been known that he likes me more than I like him.. the spark

isn't there for me.. He's been away working for a month and a half before

Christmas then another 4 weeks in January, due to return next week..

After watching the film for the first time on Monday it left me feeling

touched and moved, but also made me realise that the relationship I have

at the moment isn't really what I want.. We're more like good friends.. I

want to find someone to share that sort of thing with and it's just sad

that the guy I'm seeing isn't the one..

Paul

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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:31:52 -0500 (EST)

From: Gary

Subject: Re: My own private Thamesmead

 

>Now, I wouldn't be so foolish as to blame the

>movie; it just shone a light on the situation, helping me realize that a

>relationship should be fun, exciting, and (go figure) romantic.

After many years of telling myself that I could live without the kind of

relationship Jamie and Ste have, the movie moved me to believe that not

only did I want a loving, romantic relationship, but that it was one of the

most important needs in my life. Yes, the movie is sort of an ideal and I

realize that, but the movie force me to begin looking for that sort of

relationship. I haven't found it yet, but I have made some wonderful

friends.

Another aspect of the film that affected me was the way, both explicit and

implied, that Jamie is treated by his peers at school. It is true that gay

students lives can be hell in schools, especially here in the US. It has

got to be difficult for teens to deal with their sexuality, much less come

out, if adults are still in the closet. This realization has blown the

door off my walk-in closet and that may be the most significant impact of

the movie on my life.

Gary