- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:25:10 -0800
- From: Mike
- Subject: FYI: frameline.org (was: Re: An American BT)
- At 11:15 AM -0500 6/18/97, wrote:
- >And thus spake Mike ...
- >> I haven't seen Lilies (that's how it is spelled in the promo below) but it
- >> is showing at the San Francisco Lesbian and Gay Film Festival on Thursday
- >> June 26. Here's what the promo says about it:
- >
- > No wonder I couldn't find anything. It isn't on video yet.
- > And seeing as I live in one of the (many) cultural backwaters
- >in the Country I guess I'll have to wait.
- >
- FYI: http://www.frameline.org/index.html
- Mike
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:48:28 +0200
- From: jmc
- Subject: Re: Pucker?
- At 16:58 17/06/97 -0800, you wrote:
- >At 8:08 PM +0200 6/17/97, jmc wrote:
- >
- >>Which reminds me of a doubt I still have, when Ste bangs on Rose´s door to
- >>tell Leah to turn the music down, Jamie´s words are: "At a boy, Ste". The
- >>Spanish dubbing says: "Well done, Ste". Is that correct? What´s the exact
- >>meaning?
- >>
- >
- >The Spanish translation is correct. "'At a boy, Ste" is a contraction of:
- >"That a boy" which itself is a contraction of: "That's my boy": e.g., "I'm
- >proud of you."
- >
- >Not being British, I hesitate to comment on "pucker" although in the
- >context, Ste is obviously saying "I'm okay, I'm all right, I'm just fine,
- >Don't worry about me." Jamie also obviously sees that Ste, as Shakespeare
- >put it, "doth protest too much."
- >
- >
- >Mike
- I really love this explanation: "That´s my boy!", because if it´s so, Jamie
- has another quality besides being absolutely adorable, he can see the future
- too!!! :)
- Take care.
- Sandra.
- From: JOE
- Subject: Re:
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:39:33 -0500
- > From: Keith
- > Subject:
- > Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 8:20 AM
- >
- > Kevin,
- >
- > You wrote...
- >
- > I'm hitting my 29th b-day this monday and have been going thru
- > depression like you wouldn't believe...your note lust really made
- me
- > smile.
- > Kevin
- >
- > Hey, How do you think I feel? I turned 30 on June 9. The big 3-0.
- > Ugghhh, I feel so old (sorry, Mike, but hey, I'm entitled to a
- little mid-life
- > crisis now and then).
- >
- Mid-life crisis? Hey, dude, you haven't even _reached_ "midlife,"
- unless you're planning on dying before 60. :)
- Been there. Done that. Survived it. :)
- Gary
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:08:22 -0800
- From: Mike
- Subject: The list NOW? (was: Re: News-group charter)
- At 9:13 AM +0100 6/18/97, Gavin wrote:
- >At 20:21 6/17/97 -0500, Speaker wrote:
- >>And thus spake David ...
- >>> The list should be
- >>> used when the matter is personal or private, and you don't wish it be
- >>> publically available..
- >> Maybe I'm just dense but I don't see why you would want to keep
- >>the mailing list and the newsgroup separate.
- >> If it's personal and private don't send it to the listserv. :-)
- >>Send it directly to the person.
- >
- >No...there are some things I'd like to tell the people on the list, but
- >which I don't think I'd put on the newsgroup for all the world to see.
- I second that.
- As I understood it, Davie's original intention was that the news-group be
- more for chatting and shareing information about the film, actors, etc. But
- that the list be a place where we can talk more openly about our personal
- lives -- how the film has affected us, get to know one another more
- personally, that sort of thing.
- Let me see if I can find the original post....
- On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 David wrote:
- <snip>
- >I've also begun the process of creating a news-group which can far better
- >>handle the style and content of the list as it has become.
- <snip>
- >Once the group is live all discussion should switch to it. My wish is to
- >use >this list just for articles that you don't wish to be seen publicly.
- I see now that I'm reading a lot into this. I'll cc this directly to Davie
- to ask his input...Davie, what precisely did you mean?
- Mike
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 13:51:34 EDT
- From: RG
- Subject: Beautiful Things???
- Just joined the list yesterday and thought that I would be getting info on
- the movie and how people reacted to it, etc.
- It seems that all I'm getting lately is personal mail and don't really
- think that this is what this forum is intended for. Personal mail can
- start here, but should continue through personal EMail.
- To each is own, I guess. Just a suggestion...
- Not being evil, guess I'll just keep this going for a while and see how it
- all pans out.
- PS - I thoroughly enjoyed "Beautiful Thing"! Turned all of my friends onto
- it without any problem. It was simple, charming and the epitome of how
- young love should be - whether it be gay, straight or whatever. A friend's
- mother even walked away from the movie feeling great! Now that is
- definitely a reaction that I'm sure the movie hoped to bring about!!
- ~~~ron
- -------------
- Original Text
- From: Keith , on 6/18/97 8:20 AM:
- Kevin,You wrote...I'm hitting my 29th b-day this monday and have been going
- thrudepression like you wouldn't believe...your note lust really made
- mesmile.KevinHey, How do you think I feel? I turned 30 on June 9. The big
- 3-0. Ugghhh, I feel so old (sorry, Mike, but hey, I'm entitled to a little
- mid-lifecrisis now and then).Keith(At least I don't have to worry about the
- next milestone for a while)
- From: Jeff
- Subject: Re: Beautiful Things???
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:39:32 -0000
- This email list goes in cycles, RG. Many of the people who subscribe
- have already discussed a lot of things, and will again when the subject
- comes up. We've discussed matters so much that people complained we got too
- much email. Have to remember this list has been around for several months.
- Also, some of the discussion has moved to the newsgroup, per the wishes
- of Davie and others.
- Feel free to initiate discussions. And check the newsgroup!
- Jeff
- > From: RG
- > Subject: Beautiful Things???
- > Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 5:51 p.m.
- >
- > Just joined the list yesterday and thought that I would be getting info
- on
- > the movie and how people reacted to it, etc.
- > It seems that all I'm getting lately is personal mail and don't really
- > think that this is what this forum is intended for. Personal mail can
- > start here, but should continue through personal EMail.
- >
- > To each is own, I guess. Just a suggestion...
- > Not being evil, guess I'll just keep this going for a while and see how
- it
- > all pans out.
- >
- > PS - I thoroughly enjoyed "Beautiful Thing"! Turned all of my friends
- onto
- > it without any problem. It was simple, charming and the epitome of how
- > young love should be - whether it be gay, straight or whatever. A
- friend's
- > mother even walked away from the movie feeling great! Now that is
- > definitely a reaction that I'm sure the movie hoped to bring about!!
- >
- > ~~~ron
- >
- > -------------
- > Original Text
- > From: Keith , on 6/18/97 8:20 AM:
- >
- > Kevin,You wrote...I'm hitting my 29th b-day this monday and have been
- going
- > thrudepression like you wouldn't believe...your note lust really made
- > mesmile.KevinHey, How do you think I feel? I turned 30 on June 9. The
- big
- > 3-0. Ugghhh, I feel so old (sorry, Mike, but hey, I'm entitled to a
- little
- > mid-lifecrisis now and then).Keith(At least I don't have to worry about
- the
- > next milestone for a while)
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:57:38 +0200
- From: jm
- Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CHIK!!
- At 23:33 17/06/97 -0400, you wrote:
- >> >Hi everybody....
- >> >
- >> >Thanks to everyone who congratulated me on my b-day. It's good to know
- >> >that some people out there care. And especially thanks to Sandra. I've
- >> >been reading her posts all along and I just have to admit that you seem
- >> >to be a very special und unique person to me. BTW, I didn't get any
- >> >presents at all but that OK for me. My parents never gave me any
- >> >presents neither on my b-day nor christmas. And I'm glad about it. Not
- >> >the presents count (at least not the tangible ones) but the person who
- >> >share the day with me. Unfortunately Matija wasn't there to join my day.
- >> >But that's OK, too. I can't always get what my heart desires.
- >> >Uhmm....I better stop now. I'm in this kind of Internet access point
- >> >where they charge you money for using the net since my parents cut off
- >> >my phone for using it tooooo long :)
- >> >
- >> >See ya later,
- >> >
- >> >
- >> > Michael
- >> >
- >>
- >> Thank you very much. It´s one of the nicest things I´ve ever heard from
- anyone.
- >> But all of us are unique. When I feel down or I consider my life is
- >> worthless I try to remember that I´m unique. Consider: there are thousands
- >> of millions of people on this planet, billions of stars in this galaxy and
- >> millions of galaxies in the universe, but in this universe each of us is
- >> unique and irreplaceable. We may feel insignificant, unloved and alone, but
- >> we must remember that we are unique and there will never be another person
- >> like us. It´s somehow comforting, to know that even if I´m a nuisance, I´m a
- >> UNIQUE nuisance.
- >>
- >> Metaphysical, innit? But also true.
- >>
- >> Take care.
- >>
- >> Sandra.
- >>
- >> ____________________________________________________________________________
- >> _______
- >> "I´m very happy. I´m happy when I´m with you." - Jamie to Ste in 'Beautiful
- >> Thing'.
- >> ____________________________________________________________________________
- >> _______
- >_________
- >Sandra,
- >THANK YOU!
- >I'm hitting my 29th b-day this monday and have been going thru
- >depression like you wouldn't believe...your note lust really made me
- >smile.
- >Kevin
- >"I'm happy when I'm with you"
- You´re very welcome!! I´m happy it made you smile. That´s what are friends
- for. I truly believe in what I said (it was the trekkie part of me speaking).
- HAPPY BIRTHDAY KEVIN!!!
- BTW, it seems it´s everybody´s birthday nowadays. Mine´s next month... :)
- Take care.
- Sandra.
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:06:16 -0700 (MST)
- From: mesocyclone
- Subject: Tony's character?
- Could somebody give me a little background about Tony's character? My
- friends and I can't make out if he's just stupid, or if he's a Uni grad
- with no common sense. I mean, there are times when he comes across as
- kinda smart (like the references to University Challenge, which I'm
- assuming is like the US Jeopardy, and the constant "You shoulnd't use
- words like 'bird'"), and others when he's just an idiot. So some of us
- think he's actually pretty smart, he just has no common snese (all book
- smarts), and some of us think he's just dumb. Help?
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 20:35:40 UT
- From: Chainarong
- I didn't receive any new post in newsgroup today (does that mean something's
- wrong with my system?). I still had that soundtrack by Jason and still don't
- know how to donwload it. Any help?
- Thanks
- Neil
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:44:37 -0800
- From: Mike
- Subject: Did they or didn't they?: Interesting thread on new-sgroup
- This was posted to the newsgroup from Kenneth . I know some of you
- don't have access to the NG yet so I've cross posted it. I think the
- question it raises is too interesting to be missed by any. What do you guys
- think about this??
- In article <01bc7ac5$5a0738e0$40809bd0@default>, "Kenneth"
- wrote to alt.movies.beautiful-thing:
- > Howdy group, thanks David...
- >
- > Have you wodered if Jamie may have gotten carried away from Ste being naked
- > during the night. How many 16 year olds would resist having Ste naked to
- > him. Although he denied any action during the movie, maybe Jamie took
- > advantage of the situation.
- >
- > What are your opinions?
- >
- > What about Ste saying not in the flat with Sandra and Tony, oldman and
- > Trevor next door and going to his deaf aunts? What were they looking for?
- Oh, now HERE'S an interesting thread! If I understand you correctly, you're
- assuming that Jamie and Ste DIDN'T have "sex". (I put it in quotes because,
- even if they did in some sense of the word, we don't know just how far that
- went).
- All this time I've been assuming that they DID play around. "I'm a bit
- soar," doesn't rank as a "no" to the question, "Can I touch you?" I also
- base this on Ste's uncomfortableness, his not hanging out with Jamie after
- that, and Jamie's confrontation with him at the party by the lake. What, do
- I just have a dirty mind? I don't think so. Jamie's saying, "want to come
- around tonight?" For what I wonder? I thought their denial of "nothing
- happened" to Leah was just that, a lie.
- As for the other scene where Ste gives Jamie the hat, well Ste is
- explaining his uncomfortableness about having to hide what they are doing
- -- even if it is a necessity, given Ste's dad. Haven't we ALL felt this
- way? It's as if there's something to be ashamed of; Ste doesn't want that.
- Who the hell does?? But what to do. Why do you THINK Ste thought of going
- to stay at the aunt's who is death -- because she wouldn't HEAR them. Hear
- what, you ask? :-o
- I'd be VERY interested to hear what others think about this question -- so,
- as it is in a public forum, I'm taking the liberty of cross posting this.
- Mike
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:03:55 -0400 (EDT)
- From: Head
- Subject: Agent Update??
- Just wondering... Any news on an agent for Scott Neal???
- Jim
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:58:12 -0400 (EDT)
- From: Thom
- Subject: Re: newsgroup
- In a message dated 97-06-18 15:42:23 EDT, you write:
- << I keep trying to get AOL to add it to its list, but nothing!
- Jody >>
- Same here, Jody..... have sent "suggestions" and emails, but nooooooo.
- Grrrrrrrr.
- Thom
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:33:41 -0800
- From: Mike
- Subject: Re:
- At 8:20 AM -0500 6/18/97, Keith wrote:
- >Kevin,
- >
- >You wrote...
- >
- >I'm hitting my 29th b-day this monday and have been going thru
- >depression like you wouldn't believe...your note lust really made me
- >smile.
- >Kevin
- >
- >Hey, How do you think I feel? I turned 30 on June 9. The big 3-0.
- >Ugghhh, I feel so old (sorry, Mike, but hey, I'm entitled to a little mid-life
- >crisis now and then).
- >
- Yeah, well, you can start thinking your old at 30 if ya wanna but... Well,
- here's the thing. My mother is 90 years old. Try to imagine that. I'm
- almost 50 and I can't. Anyway, she says, "My body's old but I ain't. I've
- been the same girl since I was, oh, about 17 or so. Imagine what its like
- to be 17 in a 90 year old body! (she laughs) At least I still have a sense
- of humor." Of course she tells me this over and over because she doesn't
- remember that she's already told me this a thousand times before. But there
- it is.
- The thing is, the spirit doesn't age and, ladies and gentlemen, it is the
- spirit that falls in love (not the body). Yeah, the body falls in lust.
- It's just like a dog. Pet it, scratch it behind the ears or on the rump,
- make it feel good, and it'll wag its tale and come back for more. ;-)
- But the "spirit" (for lack of a better word) is a much more complicated
- thing. Hell if I know why I fall in love with the people I do. They aren't
- all young and good looking, I can tell you that. Some of them don't even
- treat me very nice. But I love them and they (in their various ways) love
- me. Go figure.
- I, too, struggle with this "getting old" stuff. Our society in general, and
- gay soiciety in pariticular, is so fixated on the "pretty". It is very
- superficial and we all know it, but we all (or most of us anyway) get into
- it in one way or another. Hell, who DOESN'T like looking at a beautiful
- young(er) person? I love younger people, their physical beauty, (I
- particularly like the translucentness of young skin) their vitality, their
- spunk and spirit. Sometimes young'ns make me nuts but that's another matter.
- But who loves old folks? Their skin is all wrinkly, their hair falls out or
- grows out of weird places, and they complain all the time about getting old
- and that nobody loves them. (And who wants THAT!)
- :-(
- More's the pitty, that's all I gota say. Mom's right, you're as young as
- you feel.
- I have a friend who is approaching 70. He is a very sexual man and, much to
- my surprise, often picks up very cute younger (20s ish) guys. No, we're not
- talking rent boys here. They LIKE him. He's fun. He's lively. He takes care
- of himself and ain't bad looking for someone his age, either. I asked him,
- "what's your secret?" He said, "Well, I just make myself open and available
- to the possibility. If I ask someone out and they say, 'But yer old enough
- to be my dad' I correct them: 'No, I'm old enought be your grandad!' They
- seem to like it."
- !! :-}
- Mike
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:50:31 -0800
- From: Mike
- Subject: Re:
- At 4:39 PM -0500 6/18/97, JOEHARDY wrote:
- >> From: Keith
- >> Subject:
- >> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 8:20 AM
- >>
- >> Kevin,
- >>
- >> You wrote...
- >>
- >> I'm hitting my 29th b-day this monday and have been going thru
- >> depression like you wouldn't believe...your note lust really made
- >me
- >> smile.
- >> Kevin
- >>
- >> Hey, How do you think I feel? I turned 30 on June 9. The big 3-0.
- >
- >> Ugghhh, I feel so old (sorry, Mike, but hey, I'm entitled to a
- >little mid-life
- >> crisis now and then).
- >>
- >Mid-life crisis? Hey, dude, you haven't even _reached_ "midlife,"
- >unless you're planning on dying before 60. :)
- >
- >Been there. Done that. Survived it. :)
- >
- Yeah, Kevin, you can feel bad if you want but, now *I've* got a midlife
- crisis. Imagine being 49 and suddenly, unexpectedly single? It's a shock to
- my whole system. Hey, you know how I'm dealing with it (among other things
- like crying my eyes out)? I'm taking a gay men's Tantric Sex workshop this
- weekend. No lie. I tell you guys, San Francisco truly is sin city.
- You know what my sister said to me: "Michael, you were such a good little
- boy and you've become such a problem adult." Got that right, sis. ;-)
- Mike
- From: Speaker
- Subject: Re: The list NOW? (was: Re: News-group charter)
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:32:51 -0500 (CDT)
- And thus spake Mike ...
- > At 9:13 AM +0100 6/18/97, Gavin wrote:
- > >No...there are some things I'd like to tell the people on the list, but
- > >which I don't think I'd put on the newsgroup for all the world to see.
- I guess to me there's no difference. There is no screening procedure
- to insure that the people on the mailing list are friendly or receptive.
- Most anyone can sign up and they can find the list bu doing a WWW search
- on Beautiful Thing and hitting the WWW page. So ease/restriction of access
- are pretty much the same for both mediums of communication in my book.
- > As I understood it, Davie's original intention was that the news-group be
- > more for chatting and shareing information about the film, actors, etc. But
- > that the list be a place where we can talk more openly about our personal
- > lives -- how the film has affected us, get to know one another more
- > personally, that sort of thing.
- I know of newsgroups where people get to know each other.
- An advantage of a newsgroup over a mailing list is the use of a kill
- file. So if somebody starts causing noise your nresreader can automatically
- filter out posts from that person. You can't do that in e-mail.
- > On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 David wrote:
- > <snip>
- > >Once the group is live all discussion should switch to it. My wish is to
- > >use >this list just for articles that you don't wish to be seen publicly.
- Unless we're all using PGP encryption then everything on the
- mailing list is public.
- Just my opinion.
- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:00:44 -0400
- From: Kevin
- Subject: Re: <none>
- Beautiful-Thing wrote:
- >
- > Kevin,
- >
- > You wrote...
- >
- > I'm hitting my 29th b-day this monday and have been going thru
- > depression like you wouldn't believe...your note lust really made me
- > smile.
- > Kevin
- >
- > Hey, How do you think I feel? I turned 30 on June 9. The big 3-0.
- > Ugghhh, I feel so old (sorry, Mike, but hey, I'm entitled to a little mid-life
- > crisis now and then).
- >
- > Keith
- >
- > (At least I don't have to worry about the next milestone for a while)
- ______
- Oh!!!
- PS "Happy" 3-0hhhh! ;P
- Kevin
- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:04:23 -0400
- From: Kevin
- Subject: Re: Another misplaced brit?
- Sandra makes a comment in the movie about an island called Lesbian -
- where everyone there is a dyke...could it be that deep-seated in our
- genes is the call to the gay (albeit forgotten) island of England!?! -
- after all, there seem to be so many of us on this e-mail line that feel
- we belong in England...alright, my argument is falling apart - it's only
- a joke anyways, right?
- ;)
- Kevin
- Beautiful-Thing:
- >
- > So it seems that there are many of us who feel we belong elsewhere. I am
- > also one of these. For a long time I have felt that I did not belong to
- > the family at which I grew up with, however my curse is that I look almost
- > identical to all of them. Unfortunately I have felt like I belong to the
- > Brits, and have chosen to assimilate everything British into my little
- > meager exsitance here in the States. Someday, when the funds fall out of
- > the sky, I will leave this barren land go where I am drawn to. Until then
- > I will endure life here and be happy that I am alive and intelligent
- > enough to know about another life for myself. This movie has made me
- > realize, again, of my misplacement and only encourges me to obtain my goal
- > more.
- >
- > thank you
- >
- > Sean
- From: Chris
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:41:54 PDT
- Any of you who use the pine email system, prominent among US
- Universities, have any problems logging on to the newgroup? I didn't.
- I just typed A for 'subscribe' and typed out the name and it came up.
- Anyone have a problem?
- Chris
- Houston, TX
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:10:34 -0400 (EDT)
- From: JP
- Subject: SF Pride Brunch
- Any BTListers in the Bay Area, or any of you that might be in the Bay Area
- for the Parade Jun 29th, are invited to my house for coffee, croissants, and
- mimosas before the parade. (I live in a BIG house that's fun to explore!)
- I'll open the doors at 9:00am, and we can enjoy each other's company for a
- couple of hours before heading down to watch the festivities. Those who wish
- can stay together for the day, or feel free to go your own way if you have
- other plans...
- Significant Others, potential significant others, and BT neophytes are
- welcome.
- Please rsvp to jp and i'll give you directions...
- If you need a place to stay overnite, we can probably arrange something, just
- ask me!
- :o) jay
- PS for a picture of my house, and other goodies, goto
- From: Chris
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:03:32 PDT
- Hi again! BT has been released here in the states for about a month
- now. It is in most video stores. But to order it, it runs about $70 to
- $90. Does anybody know if the US price will fall anytime??? I don't
- want to have to buy a previously viewed copy. Help!
- Chris
- From: Speaker
- Subject: Re: newsgroup
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:34:24 -0500 (CDT)
- And thus spake Thom...
- > Same here, Jody..... have sent "suggestions" and emails, but nooooooo.
- > Grrrrrrrr.
- Silly question but ever thought about changing to a real ISP? :-)
- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:54:06 -0500
- From: Fontenot
- Subject: Mason?
- Hey!!!!
- Is there anyone out there named Mason who once emailed me, yeah?
- Remember, David from Louisiana? I accidentally deleted your address,
- but I DID email you a little something before that whole mess. Did you
- get it? I'm still not sure how all this madness works! Hey, don't
- make me out to be thick, I'm just no good with computers! I have to
- tell everyone about this really strange dream I had concerning the film.
- In the dream, I was Jamie (yet I was also myself; you know how dreams
- are
- fuzzy that way?), well, yes, as I was saying, I was Jamie/David. Well,
- I was still living with my family back home and every night Ste would
- break in and eat all of our food and sleep on the couch till about 5am,
- and then leave. I knew he was doing this, but no one else could see it.
- They blamed ME for eating all their grub. Finally I confronted Ste
- about it. I said, "You can't keep doing this! You're getting me into
- trouble! This is the kind of thing I would only let my best friend do
- and she's not even in this country right now!! Please, if you care
- about me, STOP getting me into trouble!" Then Ste would say, "You're
- too young to tell me what to do! You're to young to be my friend!
- And...you're certainly too young to love me!" These same events kept
- happening over and over! I finally woke up crying. Psychiatric
- analysis, anyone? Sorry about this, guys, but maybe some of you'll
- think it's funny, yeh?
- Love,
- Miserable David
- P.S. - Is London really home of the brash, outrageous, and free? If any
- of you Europeans see my best friend out there, say hi!!
- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:54:25 -0500 (CDT)
- From: chakravorty
- Subject: Re: your mail
- I have also had problems with Pine.
- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:04:40 -0700
- From: "Eric
- Subject: Re:
- Mike,
- In reguards to "Did they, or didn't they" (have sex).. I don't think
- that matters! I think they author tried very intently to NOT make that
- an issue. I don't think you have a dirty mind though. If your like me,
- you have seen alot of gay people who have lots of meaningless sex, or
- sometimes meaningful sex, and thus assumed Jamie and Ste had sex.
- When I first figured out I was gay, I wanted very much to just talk
- about being gay. (Not have sex!) I was too scared of that! So I think
- when Ste talked about oldman Trevor next door, and going to his deaf
- aunts, he meant he didn't want to get caught TALKING about it!
- (ofcourse, he could have meant sex) But it would be much more romantic
- to think they meant talking!
- As to the other questions....
- "I'm a bit sore" I definatly don't think he meant from having sex. I
- think he meant from being hit!
- "Can I touch you?" I think he wanted to feel close to Ste because he
- loved him. If he would have wanted to have sex, he would have said "can
- I have sex with you!".. After all, he dosn't really bit his toung when
- he wants to say something to Ste..
- About the confrontation at the party, Ste was scared as hell about being
- discovered! Not because of what he "had done!"
- And last but not least, "Want to come around tonight".. If you remeber,
- it was already evening when that scean took place. Jamie didn't want
- the night to end!! I had those nights! He wanted Ste to be with him.
- To hold him! He didn't say want to sleep togeather tonight.
- Ok, thats my point of view. I am a hopeless romantic and I choose not
- to see thier love as sexually motivated. I sometimes wish I could be
- more like that.. (I'm pretty close, but .... well)...
- I am very glad the movie didn't show them having sex. Sex is only a
- small part of being in love. Being in love should be a BIG part of
- having sex, but always isn't the case..
- This movie makes me want to fall in love all over again!! But it didn't
- make me want to run out and have sex..
- (Unless ofcourse Jamie is single now!!) :) I had to through that in as
- a little joke!! :)
- See ya!!
- Eric (aka mavrick)
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