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- From: David
- Subject: WEB SITE updates
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:38:30 GMT
- Added:
- * Interview with Ben Daniels - log from the IRC chat session
- (if you want a flavour of what we get up to on IRC, read this!)
- * Reports and Photographs on the June 14th 1st anniversary meet in London
- * Link to Ralph's Ultimate Slang list
- * Stage play info
- Updated:
- * Events guide - July 28th, October 11/12th
- * Miscellaneous links
- Regards, Davie
- From: JOE
- Subject: Re: Scott and Glen not gay. *sob*
- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:48:14 -0500
- > From: Kane
- > Subject: Scott and Glen not gay. *sob*
- > Date: Friday, June 20, 1997 1:40 AM
- >
- > Kane here again.
- >
- > I'm just curious, after reading on the Beautiful Thing homepage
- that Scott
- > Neal and Glen Berry are not gay, if anyone else's stomach sunk when
- they
- > found this out? I know mine did, as did my best friend's. I
- know it
- > probably sounds immature, but in a way I sort of fell in love with
- the
- > character of Ste and it was weird to have the whole illusion
- shattered.
- > Hehe. :-)
- >
- > Silly, maybe, I know - I'm just sharing my thoughts.
- >
- > ..Kane
- Not silly, but understandable. On the other hand, I was rather
- cheered to find out Scott and Glen were straight. Why? Because they
- really did such a beautiful job of showing the tenderness and emotion
- of their respective characters. They weren't acting out some kind of
- wish-fulfillment in their personal lives. Rather, they were facing
- quite a challenge for young actors.
- In a way, it keeps my focus on Jamie and Ste, rather than obsessing
- with Glen and Scott.
- Gary
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 09:47:44 -0700
- From: The NewsBoy
- Subject: unsubscribe
- I really like the idea of the list, however, I cannot seem to see what
- more goes on than a lot of bitching, and a lot of birthday greetings to
- people.. so, farewell.. it was fun!
- From: Tom
- Subject: Re: I'm new! The "Did they/Didn't they" thing.
- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:53:56 +0100
- Hi Kane,
- > Oh, and by the way, I read something yesterday where a 29 year-old and a
- 30
- > year-old were depressed 'cuz of their ages.
- Being 33 I can relate to that ;-)
- > I really don't get this!
- Come back in 15 years and tell me the same!
- > How is 29 and 30 anywhere near old?!
- Like, when I see a 16 year old, I am thinking I am old enough to be his
- father, for me that kinda puts the age thing into context.
- > Don't stress guys - you're still in your prime!
- Thanks for the complement (even if it was meant generically)
- > I can't wait to reach my late 20's/early 30's - that's a cool
- > time of life, I reckon!
- Certainly different from when I was a 'teen, but still enjoying life, even
- though it's a different kind of enjoyment.
- Gary's (my partner) mum is now 52 but she refuses to call herself 50 2, she
- refers to her age as 40 12, a different perspective but the same age.
- Regards
- Tom
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:30:38 -0500
- From: Keith
- Subject: Re: Did they or didn't they?: Interesting thread on new-sgroup
- Harry,
- You point out an interesting dichotomy in Jamie/Ste. Jamie is the
- type that probably fantasized about sleeping with Ste many times
- beforehand, and had already mentally prepared himself for the night.
- After the preparation, the physical act was easier. Ste, on the
- other hand, never had thought about it (at least not specifically
- with Jamie), and thus did it the other way around - the physical act
- first, followed by the mental preparation/coping, etc. (By physical
- act, I don't necessarily mean *sex*, but touching, etc.)
- In this case, I am very much like Jamie. I had used to fantasize
- about being with a particular guy, and had prepared myself (as much
- as one can) for my first time. When the night came, I clearly
- initiated. On the other hand, I have met people that "did it" first,
- then had come to grips with the implications later. Seems to me,
- that way is tougher.
- Just out of curiosity, how many on the list fall into each category?
- Keith
- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:04:40 -0700 (MST)
- From: mesocyclone
- Subject: Re: Tony's character?
- Let's see if I remember this question correctly, somebody was asking if
- maybe Sandra was paying for Tony's companionship. I really don't think
- so. Sandra lives in an estate, which is the British version of public
- housing. This would lead me to believe that she is not paying for Tony's
- friendship. I mean, if she can't afford to live off onher own, and has
- to ahve gov't housing, how could she afford a gigolo?
- From: David
- Subject: Fourth Birthday Celebration
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:41:07 GMT
- On July 28th 1993 Beautiful Thing first appeared on stage. To mark the event, there
- will be a gathering of friends and fans on Sunday 27th July 1997 at the Gloucester,
- Greenwich, London, UK.
- See the Events page on the web for more information, and to reserve your place.
- Regards, Davie
- From: Todd
- Subject: Re: Tony's character?
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:49:57 -0400
- <snip>
- > Jaime and Ste, on the other hand, are rushing head long into intimacy
- > and being open to each other. They end up dancing with each other in the
- > plaza in front of everyone. They are safe bc they are safe in each
- > other, and it doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks.
- > And unfortunately, that's a point Sandra just can't get to comfortably.
- I think that is the beauty of innocence and your 'first' love. I think
- Sandra has been hurt too many times both physically <Weren't so funny when
- that bloke o'yours beat you up, was it?> and emotionally. She's become a
- hard and independent woman (which I love in her character because she is
- such a great bitch) with a lot of defenses. Jamie and Ste are fortunate
- enough to not have that baggage. That's what is so sweet about their
- relationship. Just pure bliss.
- Todd
- > From: mesocyclone
- > Subject: Re: Tony's character?
- > Date: Friday, June 20, 1997 4:21 PM
- >
- > Sandra dumping Tony.....hmmmm.......well, here's my take:
- > Sandra raised Jaime. At the beginning of the film, Sandra's and Tony's
- > relationship is just beginning. Jaime's and Ste's relationship is also
- > just beginning, albeit furtively (remember, the first time we see Tony is
- > the night he ends up playing cards with Jaime on the floor, which is the
- > night Ste ends up there top'n'tailing).
- > So the movie progresses as the two relationships mautre and grow.
- > And what happens at the end?
- > Well, Tony is very in love with Sandra, but she dumps him. She goes in
- > her apartment, and she doesn't look happy about it at all. She does love
- > him, but it would appear she can't handle the intimacy, the
- > vulnerableness of being open to another person in a relationship.
- >
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
- From: Joe
- Subject: Re: unsubscribe
- Hey Guys, It has been fun, but the mail is too over whelming now. If anyone
- wants to Email me personally, please feel free! Please take me off the list!
- Good luck to everyone, and may you all find something, Beautiful!
- Jim
- From: Todd
- Subject: Re: "Quite, I do not want to disturb Jamie"
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:38:15 -0400
- Good point Jim. I have to keep reminding myself that there was a span of
- at least a few days between 'the' night and the party. Ste's character was
- probably more like me when I confronted the issue. "I enjoyed it, but is
- it just emotion or something deeper within me?" It took me a lot of
- reflecting on myself to finally accept that I was gay. Jamie on the other
- hand is excited and wants to learn more about what being gay was where as
- Ste, who has repressed his emotions and feelings, is more cautious and
- 'quite' about it.
- I'd be interested to hear what the rest of you think on this, especially
- Sandra with her deep insight:)
- Todd
- ----------
- > From: HeadDr
- > Subject: Re: "Quite, I do not want to distrub Jamie"
- > Date: Friday, June 20, 1997 6:41 PM
- >
- > Todd,
- >
- > On this point, I disagree. I think that it is more of a "I cannot
- believe
- > what I've done"!! I think that he is confronted directly with his
- feelings
- > toward Jamie and the fact that he may be queer. Otherwise, why would he
- > avoid Jamie for the next few days???
- >
- > Just my opinion
- >
- > Jim
- Subject: Did they do it? Uh.........no.
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 97 12:32:06 -0000
- From: AppleKid
- I agree completely with what Keith had to say on this subject.
- Here's my two cents worth
- I don't thing they had "sex" that first night. I believe they were
- exploring their new found emotions, and that they simply fell asleep in
- each others arms. When Ste woke up with his arms around him I think he
- was a bit overcome as he never woke up with anyone before, nevermind his
- mate from next door!
- (I don't feel all turned on and starry eyed- I just feel a
- sweet contentment deep inside- Holding you at night just seems kind of
- natural and right- And it's not hard to see that it isn't half of what
- it's gonna turn out to be...)
- I think the song says it all
- John
- From: Todd
- Subject: newsgroup
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:10:49 -0400
- Has anyone found a public news server (no login required) that carries the
- news group. For some reason, my ISP has dropped the group. I've written a
- message to tech support, but I doubt it will do any good. Any ideas,
- besides changing ISPs. I hate changing my e-mail address.
- Todd
- From: Todd
- Subject: Re: which category
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:05:47 -0400
- ----------
- > From: Keith
- > Subject: Re: Did they or didn't they?: Interesting thread on
- new-sgroup-Reply
- > Date: Saturday, June 21, 1997 11:30 AM
- >
- >
- > Just out of curiosity, how many on the list fall into each category?
- >
- > Keith
- You have to make a new category for me. My first time was one of my
- friends friend who came to visit him at college. The two of us ended up
- hanging out a lot because our friend had football practice and we became
- good friends. I fantasized about him, but when he made the move, I froze!
- I was scared shitless! I wish I hadn't been cause I would have been able
- to see just how much he liked me and wanted to be with me. He went back to
- Texas and I was so disappointed to see him go. That was 10 years ago. And
- to my astonishment, we are still great friends.
- Todd
- Subject: Re: Did they or didn't they?: Interesting thread on new-sgroup
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 97 12:32:04 -0000
- From: AppleKid
- I don't thing they had sex that first night. I believe they were overcome
- by their new found emotions and believe they simply fell asleep in each
- others arms. When Ste woke up with his arms around him I think he was a
- bit startled as he never woke up with anyone before, nevermind his mate
- from next door!
- (I don't feel all turned on and starry eyed- I just feel a
- sweet contentment deep inside- Holding you at night just seems kind of
- natural and right- And it's not hard to see that it isn't half of what
- it's gonna turn out to be...)
- I think the song says it all
- John
- Subject: Re: You are all loved
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 97 12:32:08 -0000
- From: AppleKid
- Erik,
- That was adorable!
- JOHN
- From: Todd
- Subject: Re: Did they or didn't they?: Interesting thread on new-sgroup
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:02:40 -0400
- ----------
- > From: mesocyclone
- > Subject: Re: Did they or didn't they?: Interesting thread on new-sgroup
- > Date: Friday, June 20, 1997 4:48 PM
- >
- > Actually, in the bedroom scene, it is Ste who asks Jaime if he fancies
- > Sally from Coronation Street (at least, I think it is). Jaime replies,
- > hadn't thought abuot it much, which kinda opens the door to why not? and
- > if Ste had probed, maybe Jaime would've come out then. Ste doesn't
- > though, and the revelation is left for another night.
- >
- > Also, I don't think Ste accepts his feelings on the bridge. He does
- > turn down the offer for a shag, but remember, he thinks of himself as
- > ugly. From the peppermint foot lotion night, they are talking about that
- > somehow, and the convo goes something like this:
- > Ste: Looking like this?
- > Jaime: You ain't ugly.
- > Ste: They've made me ugly.
- > I think turning down the shag is simply for this reason. I don't think
- > he accepts his feelings on the bridge at all, bc the next scene in the
- > movie is on the balcony with Sandra and Jaime. Jaime is leaving and goes
- > to give his mum a kiss. Ste catches him out there, and shoots him a look
- > of hot death, then disappears back inside. Sandra asks, "what's his
- > problem?" to which Jaime replies "oh, nothign, he's just in love". Ste
- > doesn't come back out until he sees Jaime has left, and there is no risk
- > of having to talk to Jaime. He goes back outside, and has the
- > conversation with Sandra where she thinks he's in love with a girl named
- > Nolene. She gives him money to buy her a nice gift. I think this is
- > where Ste starts to accept things. Or at least it's the prompt he needed
- > to start thinking about it in a positive way. Then he goes and buys the
- > hat, and the relationship starts to blossom, for both of them.
- > Just my thoughts.
- >
- I hadn't really thought about it that way. I just think Ste was kind of
- clueless when Claire was flirting with him at the part. It just wasn't
- something that interested him or something he'd 'given much thought'. On
- the bridge, I think we was trying to sort out his feelings about Jamie, his
- own sexuality and what he wanted. When approached by Claire and Regina, I
- think he came to a realization that he wasn't interested in girls otherwise
- it would have been a great opportunity for him to further 'experiment'. I
- think he was amused and his spirits were lifted to find out that someone
- else thought he was attractive. He had a really big grin when he turned
- back from saying no.
- I think that is when he came to the truth of his sexuality, however
- uncomfortable he was with it. I think he just didn't know how to approach
- Jamie when he came to that realization and that is why he avoids talking to
- Jamie on the balcony. Ste's the quite, shy type when it comes to
- relationships. He seems tentative when he goes knocking for Jamie that
- night with the hat and unsure when he gives the gift to Jamie. I think at
- first, Jaime was probably thinking 'It's over. He has come to end it.' Of
- course Jamie is elated that Ste has given him a gift and they start talking
- about where to go.
- Todd
- From: David
- Subject: Annoucement: Beautiful Thing i"mportant announcements" Mail List
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 19:29:13 GMT
- To try and protect many people from the volume of email on the main Beautiful-Thing
- email list, I've created a new list which will be used to announce events, web-site
- updates, and other important or useful information.
- This list is not open to posts from anyone other than me. If you have information you
- feel should be made available to subscribers you should post it to the news-group,
- and to me at
- If appropriate, I'll post it to the BT announce list.
- Regards, Davie
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:21:46 +0200
- From: jmcs
- Subject: Re: "Quite, I do not want to disturb Jamie"
- At 10:38 21/06/97 -0400, you wrote:
- >Good point Jim. I have to keep reminding myself that there was a span of
- >at least a few days between 'the' night and the party. Ste's character was
- >probably more like me when I confronted the issue. "I enjoyed it, but is
- >it just emotion or something deeper within me?" It took me a lot of
- >reflecting on myself to finally accept that I was gay. Jamie on the other
- >hand is excited and wants to learn more about what being gay was where as
- >Ste, who has repressed his emotions and feelings, is more cautious and
- >'quite' about it.
- >
- >I'd be interested to hear what the rest of you think on this, especially
- >Sandra with her deep insight. :)
- >
- >Todd
- Thanks! Iīll do my best. But I find this so confusing... Usually I try to
- put myself in other peopleīs places and then I try to imagine what would I
- do in his/her place. Here they are my musings:
- I think Ste wasnīt mentally prepared for 'the' night. When Jamie started
- caressing him he realized he needed it badly, so he just 'let go' (and very
- happily, if you ask me). But the morning after reality intruded. He finds
- himself embracing Jamie tightly to him (which in itself speaks volumes to me
- about Steīs needs) and that scares the shit out of him: "Ohmigod, Iīm
- embracing Jamie!! Whatīs with me? What have I done?"
- So, he slips away.
- I agree with the one who said it was a very introspective time for Ste (and
- a very agonizing time for Jamie. He had reached heaven for one night and
- then heīs brutally rejected). So, when they talk at the party Steīs very
- sharp at first but then, when Jamie opens his heart to him, he canīt pretend
- not to care anymore and he decides to share his fears with him. When he sees
- Jamieīs courage and vulnerability he softens and decides to give it a try:
- "Letīs get a drink, eh?"
- I also think Steīs a very real character. In many aspects I find him more
- mature than Jamie. Heīs a survivor and when he finally finds something that
- brings him happiness he falls headlong for it. Thatīs why the final scene is
- so revealing to me. I couldnīt help but notice the way Ste embraces Jamie,
- almost desperately. He looks so content, so at peace with himself. I could
- almost hear his thoughts: "This boy makes me happy and I wonīt let him go. I
- made the mistake of rejecting him once but I wonīt do it again. I need him
- and I donīt care what you think." You were so right, Todd when you said:
- "This is who I am and I love this boy." EXACTLY.
- I still have much to say but it would be pure babbling so I stop for now.
- Take care.
- Sandra.
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:16:57 -0400 (EDT)
- From: DC
- Subject: Re: Did they or didn't they?: Interesting thread on new-sgroup -Reply
- I think it is an interesting discussion about whether Jamie and Ste actually
- consumamted their relationship that first night. Ste was definately
- concerned about being physically intimate in Jamie's room later on.
- For me, I am impressed with Jamie's ability to be calm between the first
- night and the trip to the Gloucester! I was struck be how calmly (and
- gleefully) he could tell his mother that Ste was in love! I remember that by
- the time I first had sex, I was ready and saw it as the consummation of my
- coming out process. Ste would definately have had a harder time with that.
- (Remember the look he gave the two girls on the bridge, for a brief second,
- my heart skipped a bit when I though he might go with them to prove to
- himself that he was straight. It took real courage for him to come to terms
- so quickly, given his home situation.)
- Dirk
- From: CARMEN
- Subject: Switching to the news-group....Sorry, guys, but we have too!
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 18:31:16 -0400
- I have to agree with Davie's reasons for asking us to switch to the
- newsgroup....The mail is just getting out of hand for e-mail...
- I'm going to ask all of our "regulars" and everyone else as well to switch
- all postings and replies, even to stuff you originally see on the list, to
- the newsgroup...
- If anyone has a problem with accesing the group contact some one who
- does have access...like me, and we'll see what we can do about sending you
- stuff from the news-group, and posting your replies for you.
- The list just can't continue the way it has lately....it's unfortunate,
- but it's true...
- Now, if folks can send me e's about whether or not their willing to help
- out people with out Newsgroup access, and also about not having access,
- I'll do what I can to sort it all out...
- To help those without Newsgroup access...I'd like to ask everyone to folow
- up Davie's suggestion about writing to Deja-news...eve if their own ISP
- provides alt.movies.beautiful-thing. I've used Davie's message, but with
- a couple of additions...feel free to use it, but extra personal bits won't
- hurt!
- :-)
- See you on the news-group!
- Tory
- On behalf of many fans of the movie Beautiful Thing who would like to
- use the
- DejaNews service to follow the alt.movies.beautiful-thing group, is it
- possible you
- could add it to the list of groups you index?
- We are attempting to get this news-group off the ground as a viable
- alternative to an e-mail list that is simply getting out of hand
- volume-wise, however, many list members are finding it difficult to obt$
- through their ISP's. It is our hope that making it available through a
- public news service such as Deja-News will make it more readily availab$
- to the public that wants it so desperately.
- I'd like to thank you in advance for adding it to your database.
- Tory
- From: CARMEN
- Subject: Switching to the news-group....Sorry, guys, but we have too!
- I have to agree with Davie's reasons for asking us to switch to the
- newsgroup....The mail is just getting out of hand for e-mail...
- I'm going to ask all of our "regulars" and everyone else as well to switch
- all postings and replies, even to stuff you originally see on the list, to
- the newsgroup...
- If anyone has a problem with accesing the group contact some one who
- does have access...like me, and we'll see what we can do about sending you
- stuff from the news-group, and posting your replies for you.
- The list just can't continue the way it has lately....it's unfortunate,
- but it's true...
- Now, if folks can send me e's about whether or not their willing to help
- out people with out Newsgroup access, and also about not having access,
- I'll do what I can to sort it all out...
- To help those without Newsgroup access...I'd like to ask everyone to folow
- up Davie's suggestion about writing to Deja-news...eve if their own ISP
- provides alt.movies.beautiful-thing. I've used Davie's message, but with
- a couple of additions...feel free to use it, but extra personal bits won't
- hurt!
- :-)
- See you on the news-group!
- Tory
- On behalf of many fans of the movie Beautiful Thing who would like to
- use the
- DejaNews service to follow the alt.movies.beautiful-thing group, is it
- possible you
- could add it to the list of groups you index?
- We are attempting to get this news-group off the ground as a viable
- alternative to an e-mail list that is simply getting out of hand
- volume-wise, however, many list members are finding it difficult to obt$
- through their ISP's. It is our hope that making it available through a
- public news service such as Deja-News will make it more readily availab$
- to the public that wants it so desperately.
- I'd like to thank you in advance for adding it to your database.
- Tory
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 18:14:11 -0700 (MST)
- From: mesocyclone
- Subject: American Movie Poster?
- What does this look like? Is this the one with them looking out over
- Thamesmead with Scott's arm around Glen (or, Ste's around Jaime)? Or is
- that one with them dancing with the sunglasses on? And how would I go
- about getting one?
- From: Todd
- Subject: RE: American Movie Poster?
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:51:41 -0400
- As far as I know, I think it's the one with them looking over Thamestead. I've
- been trying to find it, too. I'll keep you posted if I dig up any info.
- Todd
- ----------
- From: mesocyclone
- Sent: Saturday, June 21, 1997 9:49 PM
- Subject: American Movie Poster?
- What does this look like? Is this the one with them looking out over
- Thamesmead with Scott's arm around Glen (or, Ste's around Jaime)? Or is
- that one with them dancing with the sunglasses on? And how would I go
- about getting one?
- From: Spank
- Subject: Re: Switching to the news-group....Sorry, guys, but we have too!
- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:51:52 +1000
- I'm still not getting any post at all in alt.movies.beautiful thing.
- It's there, but there's only a heap of irrelevant postings about a
- different movie!
- Any suggestions?
- Gee, it's been fun though, and I'd hate to have to leave!
- Iain
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