Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:10:38 -0400

From: Kevin

Subject: Re: Switching to the news-group....Sorry, guys, but we

Tory - thanks for the offer of helping us (without the newsgroup) out -

I am going to be relying on you guys (M&F) to relay what's going on -

until I can convince my ISP to add the newsgroup on!!!

Thanks again,

Kevin

beautiful-thing wrote:

>

> I have to agree with Davie's reasons for asking us to switch to the

> newsgroup....The mail is just getting out of hand for e-mail...

> I'm going to ask all of our "regulars" and everyone else as well to switch

> all postings and replies, even to stuff you originally see on the list, to

> the newsgroup...

> If anyone has a problem with accesing the group contact some one who

> does have access...like me, and we'll see what we can do about sending you

> stuff from the news-group, and posting your replies for you.

> The list just can't continue the way it has lately....it's unfortunate,

> but it's true...

> Now, if folks can send me e's about whether or not their willing to help

> out people with out Newsgroup access, and also about not having access,

> I'll do what I can to sort it all out...

>

> To help those without Newsgroup access...I'd like to ask everyone to folow

> up Davie's suggestion about writing to Deja-news...eve if their own ISP

> provides alt.movies.beautiful-thing. I've used Davie's message, but with

> a couple of additions...feel free to use it, but extra personal bits won't

> hurt!

> :-)

> See you on the news-group!

> Tory

>

> On behalf of many fans of the movie Beautiful Thing who would like to

> use the

> DejaNews service to follow the alt.movies.beautiful-thing group, is it

> possible you

> could add it to the list of groups you index?

>

> We are attempting to get this news-group off the ground as a viable

> alternative to an e-mail list that is simply getting out of hand

> volume-wise, however, many list members are finding it difficult to obt$

> through their ISP's. It is our hope that making it available through a

> public news service such as Deja-News will make it more readily availab$

> to the public that wants it so desperately.

>

> I'd like to thank you in advance for adding it to your database.

>

> Tory

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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:22:31 -0800

From: Mike

Subject: News-group versus Email-list

Dear Davie and BTlist friends,

There was a lot of email piled up from over the weekend. I was going

through it piece by piece. When I got to Davie's post RE the News-group, I

sent him an email which I cc'd to Jay and Clem -- please see below.

------------------>

At 2:31 AM +0000 6/21/97, David  wrote:

> If by then it is still

>receiving large numbers of articles that should be on the news-group I

>will turn it

>into a MODERATED list - meaning I have to approve each article before it

>can be

>distributed.

>

Davie,

You couldn't POSSIBLY moderate this list! You'd have to read each and every

post to decide whether to approve it or not. You'd never get anything else

done! It would slow everything down AND you'd have to deal with some

pissed off folks who's email you rejected.

Clearly, for whatever reason(s), the list participants don't want to move

to the newsgroup. I say, lets honor the integrity of that impulse. There is

so much wonderful stuff happening here, it goes way beyond the movie

itself. The movie is the catalyst, the energy that people are sharing in

this forum is real and genuine!

I'm afraid if you DO try to moderate the list you'll break it. Not

intentionally, I know. But this energy is a fragile thing and needs to be

tended and facilitated. I have the time, energy and resources for some of

that.

I know you don't want to let go of the list, but I'm willing to foot the

bill (at least to begin with) to set it up in both regular and digest mode

on the sirius.com server in San Francisco. I've made this offer before. As

I said, if you'd prefer to remain in control, we can arrange that. I'll be

the owner of the list (as it is my account) but give you the pass word and

let you do the configuring from your end--it's all done via a web browser.

We could even share that responsibility should the need arise.

The only problem we might have is the cost of the list. Basic lists _with

digests_ are $10 a month; if the volume of mail gets excessive it goes up

(I forget what the cut off figure is) but even so, I bet we could take up a

collection to pay for the list with no problem at all.

If you want, I'll take on the responsibility of broaching all this to the

list participants.

 

PS, I'm sharing this with Jay and Clem as they are the two people I know

personally and I know you've talked with Jay. I'd like their input on this.

MW>

<------------------------

Now that I've gotten further down and see Davie has gone ahead and

"moderated" the list, I've decided to share this email with you -- as you

folks have posted to the BTlist in the recent past. (Please forgive me if

I've missed someone. If you notice someone missing, please forward this to

them. Also, pardon me if I've put anyone in more than once.)

I want to keep the BTlist alive and I,m concerned Davie may not be able to

do that. I have suggested twice in the past that Davie allow me to put the

list -- including a digest mode alternative -- on my ISP's server. Davie

has recommended we leave things as they are and out of respect for him

I've gone along with that.

But now I've become very concerned. I feel this list is too important to

loose. The biggest draw back to my recommendation is someone (besides Davie

who has handled the whole thing all by himself so far) will have to PAY for

a list on another server.

What do you guys think about this??

 

 

 

Mike

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:30:24 -0700

From: "Justin

Subject: Re: Scott and Glen not gay. *sob*

They're both beautiful. Gay or not. There's something about both of them,

although that something is different for each.

Justin

At 02:01 PM 6/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I just thought Jamie was so adorable. And I hope it doesn't hurt anyone's

>ego, but still think Glen is cuter than Scott.

>

>Todd

>On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, JOE wrote:

>

>> Eric  wrote:

>> >

>> > At 01:50 PM 6/20/97 -0700, you wrote:

>> > > Funny thing I've noticed.

>> > > Most of my friends have fallen in love with Ste.

>> > > I fell in love with Jaime.

>> > > Hmmm......I wonder why everybody goes after Ste?

>> >

>> > Now that's interesting, 'cause I've noticed that too! I also was most

>> > attracted to Ste the first few times I saw the film. After I watched it

>> > more (like 20 times!) I now find Jamie every bit as attractive.

>> >

>> > However, I think the fact that Ste was getting beat up a lot makes his

>> > character more attractive -- brings out the "Mothering" instincts in

all of

>> > us. We *want* to hold him and tell him everything's alright. I did/do

anyway.

>>

>> I think the boys' backgrounds may cause some of the different view

>> reaction. I too would want to "comfort" and encourage Ste because I'd

>> come at the relationship more from Jamie's perspective. Despite the

>> problems in Jamie's life, his self-esteem and self-concept are much

>> stronger than Ste's.

>>

>> Gary

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:13:45 -0500

From: Fontenot

Subject: Bang on!

Hi-hi everyone,

I'm ecstatic that I made on to this email list (the first time I tried,

somehow it didn't work and I was devastated)!! I'm so in love with this

film and it is, without a doubt, the best film that I have ever had the

privelege to view. I've seen it about 8 times in five days and I'm now

in the feeling-ten-different-emotions-at-once state when I watch the

film or think of it (which is very often). I want to thank David Moody

for this fabulous site (I knew there had to be others like me out

there!); it has provided me with a wealth of info about the film.

There is not much life here in Lafayette, Louisiana USA, to say the

least. The film made me long for the youth and innocence in the eyes of

the young couple, and I can only wish for the kind of relationship Jamie

had with his mother. I'm really lonely now, mostly because my best (and

the only one I can relate to) friend is in Europe studying for a

semester abroad. She's already gotten to see David Bowie (one of my

idols) in Paris recently, and she'll be in London on July 6th where

she'll probably meet Johnathan, Tameka, Glen, and Scott!!! I'm living

vicariously through her stories of these events, but it's not enough.

I WANT TO BE THERE!!!! Oh, well, I can always dream....

I'm looking forward to chatting with anyone and everyone about the film

or whatever. My friend Nancy's name is on my email address (she's the

one over where you guys are), but it's ME ME ME who you'll be talking

to!

 

Love,

David

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:22:37 +0200

From: jmcs

Subject: Re: Ste Straight

At 01:27 23/06/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Did any of you think that Ste was straight? I must say that the first two

>times I saw the film I was convinced of it.

>

>I think Jamie was the first person who ever was loving to Ste, and needing

>that very badly, Ste responded by getting emotionally attached to Jamie.

>

>On THE night, notice Ste's face in bed before he turns around to a head to

>head position with Jamie. He's thinking very intently about what to do.

>It's a difficult decision, but he makes it. I think he does that totally

>for Jamie's benefit. Yes, the massage felt *very* good, but he doesn't want

>Jamie to even know that.

>

>I think he finally gives in and turns 'round because he "owes" Jamie for

>being so nice to him. The next morning, Ste's face looks, well, disgusted.

>He actually grimaces when he wakes up and looks at Jamie. Then he avoids

>Jamie for a week.

>

>I think Ste absolutely loves Jamie, and then figures, based on that, that

>he actually IS Gay, and confuses loving Jamie with being Gay. I mean,

>Straight men can love each other -- you don't have to be Gay (though they

>don't *usually* have sex with each other!).

>

>Now, I don't expect anyone to agree with this idea, I just wondered if

>anyone else read that in. I have read both the play and the screenplay, and

>this idea of mine is NOT present in either. I got the idea purely from the

>subtext (real or imagined) of how Scott Neal played the character.

>

>Comments?

>

>BTW, I would have posted this to the newsgroup. My ISP carries it, but

>there are almost no messages in it, and the ones that are seem to be

>cross-postings of off-subject material! In other words, it doesn't seem to

>be working properly yet.

>

>-Eric

 

 

This may sound as if I´ve lost my mind or perhaps I have the most peculiar

ideas around but it doesn´t matter to me if Ste´s straight or not. If he is,

so what?

To me, sexual orientation is irrelevant in the face of true love. What if

you find your true love and he/she´s the same sex as yourself? Or the

opposite sex? Love is blind. You feel it, you can´t buy it or force it upon

anybody. When MAGIC happens you have to surrender to it.

Ste felt it toward Jamie, that intangible attraction that´s so obvious in

the first scene at the football class.

To me, Jamie and Ste are soulmates. They love each other for what they are,

for what they feel when they are in each other´s company, for what the other

makes them feel. Have you noticed the chemistry they share? The liveliness

in their eyes when they look at each other? They are complete when they are

together.

Completeness. Fulfillment. Happiness. Fullness. That´s what is all about.

Not the sex, the outward appearances. Everything´s in the soul. And when one

soul finds its mate, nothing will stop them. It´s futile. They´ll fight to

complete each other. To become one with its kindred spirit.

I wish I could explain myself better. I´m trying, but I just can´t find the

words. I wish I could talk in Spanish. Words are so misleading sometimes.

That´s why I don´t care if Ste´s straight or not. Jamie´s his chosen one,

his soul made the decision for him. Despite his efforts to suppress his love

for Jamie, it´s just impossible. Love always wins, sometimes despite

ourselves. Truth can´t be denied. It can be hidden, buried, but sooner or

later, it demands to be heard and accepted.

Of course, that doesn´t alter the fact that Ste can´t find beauty in other

men or in women. After all, we all appreciate beauty. I may have the most

beautiful painting at home, but that doesn´t mean I can´t find beauty in

Picasso, Rembrandt or Monet.

As Paul Newman said referring to his wife Joanne Woodward, why should I

desire a miserable hot dog when I have the most delicious steak at home?

They´ve found each other. They´ve recognized each other as the other´s

soulmate. The rest is irrelevant, if you know what I mean.

I don´t know if I´ve made any sense to you. I just needed to say it.

Call me sentimental, old-fashioned, crazy, eccentric... but I try to cling

to the little magic I can find. Life´s always so shallow and petty. I´d love

to think that what Jamie and Ste share is so special that anything will

break it. Not even themselves.

Oh, well, just my thoughts.

Take care.

 

Sandra.

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From: "Peter

Subject: The second time I saw it

Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:32:32 -0700

I was choked up through almost the whole movie on a second

viewing.....it has that sort of impact on me.

Anyone else?

Peter

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:59:29 -0500 (CDT)

From: Drei

Subject: Re: alt.movies.beautiful-thing

On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, CARMEN wrote:

> On behalf of many fans of the movie Beautiful Thing who would like to

> use the

> DejaNews service to follow the alt.movies.beautiful-thing group, is it

> possible you

> could add it to the list of groups you index?

>

> We are attempting to get this news-group off the ground as a viable

> alternative to an e-mail list that is simply getting out of hand

> volume-wise, however, many list members are finding it difficult to obtain

> through their ISP's. It is our hope that making it available through a

> public news service such as Deja-News will make it more readily available

> to the public that wants it so desperately.

>

> I'd like to thank you in advance for adding it to your database.

>

> Tory

>

>

>

Greetings,

Thank you for contacting Deja News.

We appreciate you interest in Deja News, but unfortunately we subscribe to

several news feeds who are independent of our service. They have sole

decsions over what we carry.

Sorry.

 

 

==========================================================================

===========(Please always include this message in your reply)=============

==========================================================================

Drei R.

Deja News

User Liaison

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From: David

Subject: Announcement: Mail Lists

Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:07:48 +0100

The current issue regarding the volume of email on the discussion list are

causing a shake-out. To help those of you who have asked to be removed

from

the list because of volume I have set up this announcement-only list.

I have transferred the subscriber info from the existing discussion list

so

you will not have to subscribe in order to receive announcements from this

list.

If you wish to withdraw from the high-volume discussion list please send

an

email  with the first line:

leave beautiful-thing

 

Hopefully this will help distinguish those of you wishing to receive the

discussion from those purely interested in updates. In a couple of weeks

I'll report back to you on the number of people choosing to stay on the

discussion list, and the volume of email passing through it.

Based on this information the list may well move to another service

provider, under the day-to-day management of someone else.

Currently, the overwhelming response I'm receiving is "Volume on the list

is too high, but I don't want to lose access to the discussion. How do I

get connected to the news-group?". The majority of activity on the list

broadly consists of:

1. Posts from a small number of the list subscribers

2. Quasi-personal posts

3. Posts from me

I've made an alteration to the list-server settings to reduce (2). From

now

on, the default reply-to address in list emails will be the sender, not

the

list.

The news group is continuing to propogate around the world. Mainstream

discussions will continue there.

I will be adding detailed instructions for accessing and using the

news-group to our web site shortly. Those of you with Netscape Navigator

3.x or higher, or Microsoft Internet Explorer with Mail & News 3.x or

higher, are already set up to access the group.

 

Users of Microsoft Outlook (comes with Internet Explorer 4.x) can post

articles to the news-group and email list(s) at the same time. Users of

Forte (Free) Agent can do the same.

 

Regards, Davie

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:13:05 -0700 (MST)

From: mesocyclone

Subject: Movie that Jaime watched

Hey everyone. Just watched the movie for the sixth time this

week-end. It turned into a huge BT party sort of, with a bunch of

friends over watching it. Most of us had seen it an average of five

times.

Anyway, I watched the credits, and the movie that Jaime is

watching in the beginning is "Rosie and Jim".

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:55:55 -0700

From: Michael

Subject: Re: Ste Straight

jmcs wrote:

> This may sound as if I´ve lost my mind or perhaps I have the most

> peculiar

> ideas around but it doesn´t matter to me if Ste´s straight or not. If

> he is,

> so what?

> To me, sexual orientation is irrelevant in the face of true love. What

> if

> you find your true love and he/she´s the same sex as yourself? Or the

> opposite sex? Love is blind. You feel it, you can´t buy it or force it

> upon

> anybody. When MAGIC happens you have to surrender to it.

> Ste felt it toward Jamie, that intangible attraction that´s so obvious

> in

> the first scene at the football class.

>

> To me, Jamie and Ste are soulmates. They love each other for what they

> are,

> for what they feel when they are in each other´s company, for what the

> other

> makes them feel. Have you noticed the chemistry they share? The

> liveliness

> in their eyes when they look at each other? They are complete when

> they are

> together.

> Completeness. Fulfillment. Happiness. Fullness. That´s what is all

> about.

> Not the sex, the outward appearances. Everything´s in the soul. And

> when one

> soul finds its mate, nothing will stop them. It´s futile. They´ll

> fight to

> complete each other. To become one with its kindred spirit.

>

> I wish I could explain myself better. I´m trying, but I just can´t

> find the

> words. I wish I could talk in Spanish. Words are so misleading

> sometimes.

>

> That´s why I don´t care if Ste´s straight or not. Jamie´s his chosen

> one,

> his soul made the decision for him. Despite his efforts to suppress

> his love

> for Jamie, it´s just impossible. Love always wins, sometimes despite

> ourselves. Truth can´t be denied. It can be hidden, buried, but sooner

> or

> later, it demands to be heard and accepted.

>

> Of course, that doesn´t alter the fact that Ste can´t find beauty in

> other

> men or in women. After all, we all appreciate beauty. I may have the

> most

> beautiful painting at home, but that doesn´t mean I can´t find beauty

> in

> Picasso, Rembrandt or Monet.

> As Paul Newman said referring to his wife Joanne Woodward, why should

> I

> desire a miserable hot dog when I have the most delicious steak at

> home?

>

> They´ve found each other. They´ve recognized each other as the other´s

>

> soulmate. The rest is irrelevant, if you know what I mean.

>

> I don´t know if I´ve made any sense to you. I just needed to say it.

> Call me sentimental, old-fashioned, crazy, eccentric... but I try to

> cling

> to the little magic I can find. Life´s always so shallow and petty.

> I´d love

> to think that what Jamie and Ste share is so special that anything

> will

> break it. Not even themselves.

>

> Oh, well, just my thoughts.

>

> Take care.

>

> Sandra.

>

> _________________________________________________________________

Wow. Just had to say thanks for that beautiful post.

-Michael

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From: Todd

Subject: Movie Poster and other things

Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:46:25 -0400

To anyone interested, I E-mailed the Sony Pictures Classics Web Site about the

poster that's on their Beautiful Thing Web Site. They said they didn't know

anything about the poster, what version it was or where it could be ordered.

I'm beginning to think it doesn't exist. But I still have one question: If it

doesn't exist, why is it on the studio's web site?

Also, I asked this earlier and I'm interested in what other people think. At

the end of the movie, do you think that Sandra is going to take Ste with her

and Jamie when they move to The Anchor? I believe she is. If you want to

keep the volume down on the E-mail list, then feel free to E-mail me.

Todd

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:09:20 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: Re: The second time I saw it

At 03:32 PM 6/23/97 -0700, you wrote:

>I was choked up through almost the whole movie on a second

>viewing.....it has that sort of impact on me.

>

>Anyone else?

On my 25th viewing, it seems to affect me as much as the first. I never

tire of watching it, which I find rather odd. I've been watching it ever

night. It's like spending time with good friends!

-Eric

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:32:22 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: Re: Ste Straight

At 02:07 PM 6/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I didn't think that at all. Ste gives Jamie this look throughout the

>movie that is the kind of look you give someone you are attracted too:

>adorable and sweet. I just think Ste didn't want the label of being gay.

>He is the macho type that has a very negative connotation to being gay. I

>think Jamie has studied himself more and has though a lot about his

>feelings for guys, especially Ste. The look on Ste's face before he turns

>around is a lot like the look Jamie makes before commiting to that first

>kiss. "Do I dare? Will I frighten him?" But I think Ste wanted Jamie to

>kiss him or whatnot, otherwise I don't think he would have turned around.

>I think Ste was debating whether to commit or not. Jamie gave him the

>opening for each to express their love for one another and it was up to

>Ste to take that opportunity. He did, which leads to a deeper compasion

>for the other.

I don't disagree with any of that. It was just the impression I got the

first couple of times I saw it. I'm sure that wasn't the intention (that

Ste be straight, that is). Just wondered if anyone else saw it that way. So

far, no one did! I've been wrong before. Anyway, it didn't effect my love

for the film. It perhaps made the relationship somewhat more complex! I

like to think that Jamie and Ste will have a nice long loving relationship.

Perhaps Sandra WILL be a grandmother! :-)

-Eric

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:49:21 -0400

From: Dick

Subject: Multiple viewings

I have seen the film over 30 times since last october and still it fills

my heart with such joy. How wonderful we all have someone like jonathon

to write such a wonderful love story! I'll just keep watching it and

savoring every minute.

Love to all, Dick

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:11:47 -0400 (EDT)

From: HeadDr

Subject: Re: Scott and Glen not gay. *sob*

I'll just say this!!! STE IS FINE!!!

Jim

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