Date: Sat, 28 Jun 97 08:40:30

From: DaveB

Subject: Re: Sandwich question

Hi! My name is David, I'm 35yrs and I'm from Stockwell, South West London

I live not very far from where BT was filmed. I also went to school with

blokes who were just like Ste & Jamie. To answer your question "What is a

walloping great fry up", This is London slang for a fried breakfast or meal,

usually, eggs, bacon, fried bread, fried tomatoes, fried anything, but plenty

of it, very unhealthy and enough to send your cholesterol into orbit. A lot

of people think it's "The Dogs Bollocks", this is a South London slang

phrase meaning very good, great, or excellent. It's my favourite slang

phrase. I once went out with a Bloke who was quite like ste and he used to

say that phrase all the time. Oh! By the way I bumped into the Actor who

plays Ste a few weeks ago, near Old Compton Street, in London's Soho, West

End of London, He was Gorgeous! All I could do was stand still with my mouth

open. Maybe he was going down Old Compton Street, the Gay area. Hmmmmm

David

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From: Pat

Date: 27/06/97 12:05am

Subject: Re: Sandwich question

At 4:42 AM -0800 on 6/26/97, Todd  wrote:

 

> Is pastromie and fetachinie (sp?) on rye a real sandwich? Never heard of

> one over here.

And speaking of sandwiches, what in the world is a walloping great fry-up?

Pat

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From: The gentle cuddlebear

Subject: BT Video-Release Patry in Frankfurt today

Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 09:34:51 GMT

Hi there,

is anybody out there who will be on the party tonight?

Leike to know some of you personal to.

Meinolf

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:50:52 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: Re: Motivations

 

>Easy one. Remember Jamie and Tony on the balcony? "Like that my

>mum. Goes off things.... fast." Tony is just another 'victim' of

>Saundra's tendency to just become disinterested in things. Just my

>opinion.

 

Actually, I don't think that's "an easy one." Although Jamie says that

Sandra goes off things fast, I don't think it's really enough motivation to

drop him pretty much flat. For the most part, Sandra and Tony seem to get

on quite well. I personally would have liked to see a little more fleshing

out of the characters to see that coming.

However, I guess it's a minor point.

-Eric

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 09:29:05 -0500 (CDT)

From: chakravorty

Subject: re: Motivations

i I think the joke is that Jamie is so accustomed to his mother going out

with blue collar types ( i.e., working class) he doesn't realize what

kind of a painter Tony is (i.e., an artist). Now what could Sandra get

from an artist? Quite a bit actually, she could use a different more

whimsical perspective on things. Why did Sandra drop Tony? Because

Sandra is not perfect and Sandra makes mistakes (possible) Sandra has

trouble relating to a man with a "feminine side" (I am not implying that

Tony is bisexual, only that he doesn't fit a certain mucho macho stereotype

that presumably Sandra has related to in the past) that is rather

prominant (possible), Sandra is impulsive and doesn't always think

through her actions, Sandra is ambitious and hard-working, remaining in a

relationship with Tony might prevent her from further advancement (this

hypothesis would work best if we assume that Sandra needs to "network"

with male higher-ups), the list of possible reasons for Sandra dumping

Tony could go on and on, a question we might want to debate is SHOULD she

have dumped Tony?

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 17:22:40 -0400 (EDT)

From: daviscj

Subject: Re: Ste hating the Gloucester -- the light comes on!

 

I think this comment isn't really serious. It's just another part of

the back and forth exchange of witty (or sometimes not) insults that is

constantly going on between Sandra and Jamie. It looks like it's

probably also a reaction to the fact that he is actually going out.

>From the look on his face when he sees Ste coming home with his friends

earlier in the evening, I wouldn't think he gets out much.

Later,

Chris

 

On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, mesocyclone wrote:

> I'm also really curious about Sandra's reaction the night Jaime goes

> out to the party. She asks "Where you going?"

> "Out with me mates."

> "Jaime, you haven't got any mates."

> Etc, etc.

> This seems to be an incredibly rude thing to say, especially to your

> own son. I don't have any kids (only 24), but I personally hope that my

> tongue should be struck out if I ever spoke to any child of mine like

> that. I would think she'd be happy to see her boy finally had some

> friends. But no, she slaps him in the face by reminding him that he's

> unpopular. Especially in light of what she says to Tony later in the

> balcony, about how she's been fighting for that boy her whole life, I

> think this is really out of character. Well, maybe not, but it just

> don't seem right, ya know?

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:30:06 -0400

From: Darek

Subject: Re: Ste hating the Gloucester -- the light comes on!

As for Ste saying "I hate it.", I think he was just saying what he

thought Sandra wanted to hear.

As for the "You aven't got any mates." I don't think Sandra was meaning

to be rude, just honest. All the scenes between Sandra and Jamie seem to

emphasize honesty, sometimes very brutal (i.e. TOUGH LOVE). Perhaps its

from this tough love that Jamie gets the courage to make the first move

with Ste.

(see my signature quote)

One of the things that surprised me was when Sandra LIED about spying on

Jamie. Definitely not in character. Perhaps she was too ashamed to admit

it (she looks away from Jamie when he accuses her), or simply didn't

want Jamie to get the impression that he was being watched.

Warmest Regards,

Darek

"If you can not say what you mean, you can not mean what you say."

- Centauri Intelligence Minister, B5

mesocyclone wrote:

> I'm also really curious about Sandra's reaction the night Jaime goes

>

> out to the party. She asks "Where you going?"

> "Out with me mates."

> "Jaime, you haven't got any mates."

> Etc, etc.

> This seems to be an incredibly rude thing to say, especially to your

>

> own son. I don't have any kids (only 24), but I personally hope that

> my

> tongue should be struck out if I ever spoke to any child of mine like

> that. I would think she'd be happy to see her boy finally had some

> friends. But no, she slaps him in the face by reminding him that he's

>

> unpopular. Especially in light of what she says to Tony later in the

> balcony, about how she's been fighting for that boy her whole life, I

> think this is really out of character. Well, maybe not, but it just

> don't seem right, ya know?

>

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:56:48 -0400 (EDT)

From: HeadDr

Subject: Music

I think the music and the volume is just perfect. As someone said, its

volume is representative of the scene. (ie first kiss, and the kissing

scene in the park). And I also think that the "Sixteen going on Seventeen"

scene alludes to a transition for both Ste and Jamie. A kinda of maturing of

sorts...

My thoughts of the day,

JIM

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From: Todd

Subject: RE: Motivations

Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:44:20 -0400

At last! Someone who's giving Sandra a little bit of credit. I liked the

character very much and I'm surprised at the sudden backlash against her.

Sure, she's a little coarse and maybe doesn't say the right things at the

right time ("Jamie, you don't have any mates" etc) But she loves her son

ferociously and in time I think she'll grow to love Ste the same way (if

she doesn't already). The Tony break-up is confusing, but life is confusing.

Maybe it was the wrong thing to do, but she did it. It doesn't make her

a bad person. Quite the opposite, it makes the character more like a real

person than anything else could. So let's hear it for Sandra.

Todd

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From: chakravorty

Sent: Saturday, June 28, 1997 9:36 PM

Subject: re: Motivations

i I think the joke is that Jamie is so accustomed to his mother going out

with blue collar types ( i.e., working class) he doesn't realize what

kind of a painter Tony is (i.e., an artist). Now what could Sandra get

from an artist? Quite a bit actually, she could use a different more

whimsical perspective on things. Why did Sandra drop Tony? Because

Sandra is not perfect and Sandra makes mistakes (possible) Sandra has

trouble relating to a man with a "feminine side" (I am not implying that

Tony is bisexual, only that he doesn't fit a certain mucho macho stereotype

that presumably Sandra has related to in the past) that is rather

prominant (possible), Sandra is impulsive and doesn't always think

through her actions, Sandra is ambitious and hard-working, remaining in a

relationship with Tony might prevent her from further advancement (this

hypothesis would work best if we assume that Sandra needs to "network"

with male higher-ups), the list of possible reasons for Sandra dumping

Tony could go on and on, a question we might want to debate is SHOULD she

have dumped Tony?

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:04:06 +0000

From: John

Subject: Re: Motivations

Todd  wrote:

>

> At last! Someone who's giving Sandra a little bit of credit. I liked the

character very much and I'm surprised at the sudden backlash against her.

Sure, she's a little coarse and maybe doesn't say the right things at the

right time (" etc) But she loves her son ferociously and in time I think

she'll grow to love Ste the same way (if she doesn't already). The Tony

break-up is confusing, but life is confusing. Maybe it was the wrong

thing to do, but she did it.

>

You're right. I don't think Sandra meant anything bad when she

said,"Jamie, you don't have any mates". I think it was indicative of the

close relationship they have. She was just being honest- not trying to

hurt him.

Isn't wonderful that Jamie could totally be himself in front

of his mother- there is never anything like, "you can't talk to ME that

way!!" They are equals to each other. And Sandra says something very,

very important to Jamie- that she wouldn't ever put him out like an

empty bottle! And how many times did she say, "You're OK- you are.

You're OK"

He's lucky to have Sandra as a Mom.

(how would your mother respond if she said, "I gave you those brains

young man" and you responded as Jamie did saying something like, "Oh

yeah, it must of been that lebatomy you had!"

Let's hear it for Sandra!

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 00:57:22 +0000

From: John

Subject: Re: BT errors

Eric wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> Sometimes when you see a film, there are all kinds of errors, often ones of

> continuity. BT has a very LOW content of these. In fact there's only two

> that I'm sure are (slight) errors.

>

> I don't think there are any obvious ones. Usually (in most films) these

> involve wardrobe, jewelry, props that appear and reappear -- due to

> intercutting different takes. Perhaps because the film was shot so quickly,

> there was no time for lots of takes or bad memories about what props had

> been set where.

>

> Anyone spot any? This is all in fun, mind you.

>

> -Eric

Hi,

I have found only three- not that I am actually looking, but after

seeing it a few times I noticed that:

1. When Jamie fights with Sandra his body mic is evident on his back

through his shirt- but someone already pointed that out already.

2. When Ste is preparing tea (dinner) and Leah's music starts

blasting, Ste has already removed the food from the stove, yet after the

incident there is smoke coming from his flat indicating he has burned

his father's (troll) dinner- impossible since he already took it off the

stove.

3. When Leah climbs up on the ledge and Ste is there to help, he says,

"Help us Jamie" Jamie proceeds to walk around the other side of Leah so

that he could help bring her down- but in he very next frame Jamie is

standing to Ste's left- obviously not having completed the action he

started in the previous frame.

To repeat what Eric said, "This is all in fun, mind you!"

This movie is aces!

John

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From: Robert

Subject: Ste gay or not

Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:08:46 WETDST

 

 

Hi BTians,

I haven't read my e-mail for a long time- so going through 1000 mails

is hard work.

I don't really understand why some people think Ste is straight- the

critria being that Ste does't like the Gloucester and likes sports.

Everybody is of course different (thank god) and I know a

lot of gay guys who love sport- basketball/football - also a

lot that hate gay bars. I don't particularly like gay bars- it

seems such a contrived way of meeting gay people- I just wished

it was easier to meet people in other places like in

the hectro sexual world.

Straight people can't believe that I'm gay because 'I don't look

or 'act' gay'- I'm very glad to destroy the stereotypes. I think it

is a shame that some gay people have stereotype views as well.

Conclusion: You can't conclude that Ste is straight.

Love

Rob

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 06:49:33 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: Re: Sandwich question

Hi David!

I'm so jealous that you saw Scott Neal! Did you at least say hello? :-)

-Eric

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 02:37:16 -0500

From: Matthew

Subject: Re: BT errors

Here:

I'm not sure if these were mentioned, but....

When Leah comes out of the apartment, tripping...her "wig"

changes.

Sometimes it's in front of her shoulder, and sometimes, it's behind.

And, when Sandra is following the lads to the Glouster, she

lights a

cigarette, and takes a puff, but she doesn't actually light the

cigarette!

--

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:00:44 -0800

From: Mike

Happy gay day everyone!

 

(Thanks to Trebor for this URL!)

Mike

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 07:22:35 +0100

From: Gavin

Subject: Re: Motivations

At 08:50 6/28/97 -0400, Eric  wrote:

>drop him pretty much flat. For the most part, Sandra and Tony seem to get

>on quite well. I personally would have liked to see a little more fleshing

>out of the characters to see that coming.

Hardly. Whenever you actually see them TALKING, Sandra can't seem to be

civil to Tony and it's obvious that other than the sex, the don't have

anything in common at all.

 

Gav.

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 06:59:37 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: RE: Motivations

At 09:44 PM 6/28/97 -0400, you wrote:

>At last! Someone who's giving Sandra a little bit of credit. I liked the

character very much and I'm surprised at the sudden backlash against her.

Sure, she's a little coarse and maybe doesn't say the right things at the

right time ("Jamie, you don't have any mates" etc) But she loves her son

ferociously and in time I think she'll grow to love Ste the same way (if

she doesn't already). The Tony break-up is confusing, but life is

confusing. Maybe it was the wrong thing to do, but she did it. It doesn't

make her a bad person. Quite the opposite, it makes the character more

like a real person than anything else could. So let's hear it for Sandra.

------------

I don't think there is any real "backlash" against Sandra. There is no

doubt that she is a good person and loves Jamie very much. Same for Ste.

When she finds Ste sitting outside crying after being beaten, she is very

comforting to him, and brings him home with her.

If anyone might have cause to dislike Sandra, it would probably be Leah.

They don't seem to get along, but really they do in their own way. Sandra

invites her over for beer on the terrace (well, at least Leah is there),

and they are always trading quips. I think deep down, under it all they do

like each other. Certainly by the end they do. So really, everybody likes

Sandra! Me too. :-)

-Eric

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 09:25:54 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: Gay Pride is a "Beautiful Thing"

It's Gay Pride today in New York City. BIG parade, Boys and Girls from all

over! The Village is packed with half naked boys! :-)

Have a GREAT DAY!

-Eric

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:00:12 -0700 (MST)

From: mesocyclone

Subject: Sandra

I don't think any of us is engaging in Sandra bashing. I think we all

have a lot of respect for Sandra being such a tough and fierce person,

and for being so honest. And for being so devoted to Jaime. He tells

her he's gay, and she says I'm not going to put you out in the morning

like an empty bottle. I think she gets definite snaps for that. I think

we are just trying to gain a deeper understanding for her actions.

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From: Jeff

Subject: Re: BT errors

Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:25:46 -0600

Well, to love a movie is to realize it has faults. There are others I can

recall from previous critiques we've had on here. Like Tony wearing socks

in one part of a scene and not in another. Can't recall exactly where.

As for no. 2, no, Ste picks up plates and moves them, he doesn't remove the

bubble and squeak from the stovetop. I used to think he was moving the pan.

But listen to the sound (yes, I am a BT freak), it's a stack of plates

clattering.

Jeff

> From: John

> Subject: Re: BT errors

> Date: Saturday, June 28, 1997 6:57 p.m.

>

> Eric  wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Sometimes when you see a film, there are all kinds of errors, often

ones of

> > continuity. BT has a very LOW content of these. In fact there's only

two

> > that I'm sure are (slight) errors.

> >

> > I don't think there are any obvious ones. Usually (in most films) these

> > involve wardrobe, jewelry, props that appear and reappear -- due to

> > intercutting different takes. Perhaps because the film was shot so

quickly,

> > there was no time for lots of takes or bad memories about what props

had

> > been set where.

> >

> > Anyone spot any? This is all in fun, mind you.

> >

> > -Eric

>

> Hi,

>

> I have found only three- not that I am actually looking, but after

> seeing it a few times I noticed that:

>

> 1. When Jamie fights with Sandra his body mic is evident on his back

> through his shirt- but someone already pointed that out already.

> 2. When Ste is preparing tea (dinner) and Leah's music starts

> blasting, Ste has already removed the food from the stove, yet after the

> incident there is smoke coming from his flat indicating he has burned

> his father's (troll) dinner- impossible since he already took it off the

> stove.

> 3. When Leah climbs up on the ledge and Ste is there to help, he says,

> "Help us Jamie" Jamie proceeds to walk around the other side of Leah so

> that he could help bring her down- but in he very next frame Jamie is

> standing to Ste's left- obviously not having completed the action he

> started in the previous frame.

>

> To repeat what Eric said, "This is all in fun, mind you!"

>

> This movie is aces!

>

> John

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Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:56:46 -0400 (EDT)

Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:56:46 -0400 (EDT)

From: Pede

Subject: Re: Ste gay or not

are you french?

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:33:04 +0200

From: Meinolf

Subject: The Party in Frankfurt

Hi Sandra,

Yesterday I went to the release party in Frankfurt.

As we know before, Scott and Glen haven'd been there.

But instead we had Tameka Empson.

When she gaves autographs I remember the spanisch cover I got from you.

Fortunately I got it with me. :-)

So now I have a very special collector's item with dedication and

signature!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

And - at last (I waited so long for it) my own viedeo copy.

I am so happy with it.

<mega-grin-smile-laughing>

The party itselfe was o.k..

It was added before a normal party in an old industrial buildíng.

Gays as far you can see.

To much Hausemusic to less Mama Cass (or other 70'th and 80'th music).

But unfortunately thats the normal way of gay partying here. <sigh>

I got to dance thats important only.

The only thing I miss now is an video copy in english.

But I am sure I'll get it too. :-)

So for now take care

and I thank you so much!

Meinolf

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:04:46 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: Re: Ste gay or not

 

 

>I don't really understand why some people think Ste is straight- the

>critria being that Ste does't like the Gloucester and likes sports.

>Everybody is of course different (thank god) and I know a

>lot of gay guys who love sport- basketball/football

I was one of the people who thought Ste could be Straight, but it was for

NONE of the reasons you just listed. I too know many Gay guys who love

sports, and any and all things that Straight people like (perhaps with the

exception of women as sexual partners!)

My reasons for thinking Ste was Straight was really just in the way that

Scott played the role. It certainly is not in the screenplay, and I know JH

meant him to be Gay. I just thought Ste *could* have been Straight and

still done the things that he did in the film. I do certainly know Straight

guys who have sex with men. That breaks a lot of stereotypes too.

Best,

Eric

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From: Kenneth

Subject: Poster

Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:23:14 -0400

Just visited a Gay shoppe in Asheville, North Carolina, USA and found the

American Movie poster. The owner was offering it for $2 and she would put

my name on it. I offered her $5 to take it home today. Needless to say, I

have it on the wall now. Thank god for capitalism and BT.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:45:19 +0200

From: jmcs

Subject: Re: BT errors

At 02:37 29/06/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Here:

>

> I'm not sure if these were mentioned, but....

>

> When Leah comes out of the apartment, tripping...her "wig"

>changes.

>Sometimes it's in front of her shoulder, and sometimes, it's behind.

>

> And, when Sandra is following the lads to the Glouster, she

>lights a

>cigarette, and takes a puff, but she doesn't actually light the

>cigarette!

Have you noticed that when Ste and Jamie are kissing in the forest Ste wears

his shirt buttoned to his neck? But when they come back home and bump into

Leah, the first button is open.

Hmmmm, well, on second thoughts maybe it´s not an error, after all. ;)

Take care.

 

Sandra.

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From: Todd

Subject: Re: BT errors

Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:22:26 -0400

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but when the boys are kicking around

the football, Ste is wearing sunglasses before the close-up of him looking

at Jamie.

Todd

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> From: Matthew

> Subject: Re: BT errors

> Date: Sunday, June 29, 1997 3:37 AM

>

> Here:

>

> I'm not sure if these were mentioned, but....

>

> When Leah comes out of the apartment, tripping...her "wig"

> changes.

> Sometimes it's in front of her shoulder, and sometimes, it's behind.

>

> And, when Sandra is following the lads to the Glouster, she

> lights a

> cigarette, and takes a puff, but she doesn't actually light the

> cigarette!

>

> --

> Matthew

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