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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 07:27:28 +0200 (METDST)

From: Mark

Subject: Re:RE: Beautiful Thing

Hi Chris. I have to admit I didn't read anything at all into the

look Sandra gives Louise then.

Cheers,

Mark

I don't really think Ste is doing too much in the way of trying to

impress Jamie on the balcony, but Jamie sure is reacting like he's in

love. He jump all over his mom when she's making fat jokes about Mama

Cass, but as soon as Ste cracks one, he's all smiles.

Secondly, something I've been wondering about since I first saw the

movie: what is that look Sandra gives Louise on their way home from work

as Louise walks away? Any thoughts

Later,

Chris

 

 

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Todd  wrote:

> I agree wholeheartedly. And notice that later, on the balcony with Sandra,

Tony and Leah, Ste stands close to Jamie and sort of tries to impress him with

his humor. It's subtle, but I think it's there.

>

> Todd

>

> From: John

> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 1997 4:02 PM

> Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing

>

> I was thinking about the first time Ste actually began to have feelings

> for Jamie. I think the first night in the bedroom, he may have felt

> *something* but was basically unaware of his feelings at that point.

> For me, the first time Ste actually feels something for Jamie is in

> the scene where he is playing soccer with his friends. The two glances

> that Ste gives him while kicking the ball isn't what I'm talking

> about.

> When the ball goes into the water?

>

> "....my ball back?" Jamie says (I really haven't a clue as to

> what he really says. It's sounds to me like "garble garble my ball

> back?")

>

> All the guys jump in, and after Jamie is thrown in (by that McBride

> fellow) they all seem more concerned with teasing him and splashing him

> with water. They have all forgotten about the ball- all except for Ste

> that is.

>

> It is this point for me that Ste realizes he has feelings for Jamie.

> Notice the affectionate way he grabs the ball, puts his whole body

> around ensuring that he has it. Then he gets up and looks over toward

> Jamie and sees the other guys splashing him with water. As Ste looks at

> him he smiles with an affectionate look. It's very subtle.

> What do the rest of you guys think about this.

>

> John

>

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 05:58:23 -0400 (EDT)

From: J W

Subject: Re: Music

At 06:54 AM 7/1/97 -0700, you wrote:

>I haven't heard anyone mention my favourite part of "Sixteen"'s

>appearance yet: it's one of the funniest jokes in the movie! This is a

>song that is so totally inappropriate for a serious seduction/discovery

>scene, being associated with the squeaky clean seduction/discovery scene

>in _The Sound of Music_, that I, and the audience in the theatre most of

>the times I saw it, laughed out loud, even though we were mesmerised by

>Jamie and Ste at the *exact same time*. This was one of the moments

>that told me I'll go see *anything* Hettie directs from now on.

>Juxtaposition like that is art.

>

Jim,

I laughed/chuckled when I heard this music the first time, too. It

seemed so misplaced; so inappropriate, so silly. I think it's because we're

blinded by having seen The Sound of Music and do associate it with the

"squeeky clean" "boy-gets-girl image that movie portrays.

However, now that I have been able to listen to the words over and

over on my cassette recording of BT, I can see how it fits. Listen to the

words and imagine Jamie singing these words on the inside. (I have written

the words down to the three "main" songs, so I'll have to do the same for

Sixteen.) Singing to Ste that he's going to show him the "way." To

paraphrase: Ste, you are 16 going on 17 and don't know anything, but I am

17 going on 18 and I am going to protect you, going to show how to be loved.

The irony of the words especially fit here, because Jamie may be studying

the Gay Times magazine and have a leg up on Ste about gay issues, but Ste

isn't that far behind him and will catch up quick, i.e., pressing Jamie

against the tree in Abbey Wood to "snog the golly" of him.

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 08:42:38 -0400 (EDT)

From: Todd

Subject: Sandra

I always wondered about her look at Louise too. After that scene and then

with her dancing with Leah at the end, I was a bit confused. I wondered

if she too might have had feelings for other women, but it didn't seem to

fit her so I really didn't think her character was gay. The explanations

given really do make since. She's almost admiring Louise's fantasy and

imagination. It's almost like a look of "That's a nice dream Louise, but

it will never happen. I won't tell you that, but that's what I'm

thinking" type of look.

As for the music, I too love '16 going on 17' even though <hold your

breath here> I don't really care for 'The Sound of Music'. Like I said

earlier, I'm not your "typical" queer:) Davie: can I sing it too you;-)

Todd

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:33:37 -0400 (EDT)

From: DC

Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing -Reply

 

In a message dated 7.3.1997 9:20:51 a.m, Keith  wrote:

<<

When the movie opens, the guys are teasing Jamie, and he even pleads

with Ste to stop it. The scene is too quick to see much on Ste's face, but

I get the idea he isn't paying much attention to Jamie.

>>

I always though that Ste had a look of embarassment on his face in the

opening scene. He seems to be enjoying the roughplay with his mates, but

become embarrassed when it turns on Jamie. I think he feels like he has to

go along, that it's really no big deal, but that he's also embarrassed for

Jamie. After all, they live next door and are clearly friends at home, at

least.

Dirk

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:11:16 -0400 (EDT)

From: Eric

Subject: Re: Cheese & Salad- Bang on food!

 

>The first word is SPORTS, not spots...

>

>Ste: Cheese and salad. Bang-on food.

>Jamie: Good for your sports, that.

>Ste: That's right. Good for your spots an'all

>

>Scene 33, Beautiful Thing screenplay, copyright Jonathan Harvey.

>

>This kind of sandwich is filling and good for building muscles for swimming

>:)

>

BUT, I doubt very much that CHEESE of all things would be "good for your

spots"! :-)

-Eric

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 05:11:30 -0400

From: Froggy

Subject: Re: Cheese & Salad- Bang on food!

Does anyone know where I might get a copy of the screen play? I am in love

with the movie and just have to have a copy of it.

 

 

 

>Scene 33, Beautiful Thing screenplay, copyright Jonathan Harvey.

>

>This kind of sandwich is filling and good for building muscles for swimming

>:)

>

>Regards, Davie

>

>

-Jake

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 08:36:38 -0500 (CDT)

From: chakravorty

Subject: RE: Beautiful Thing

I'd been wondering about that look myself. She also does kind of like a

double take after dismissing Tony (as if she may have some second

thoughts). I assumed that the first look had to do with what she would do

if she got the pub licence.

Question for all - on the back of the box that the video came in

the main characters ( Gangels, Ste, Tony, and Leah) are seated on a bench

in what looks like a courtyard ( I also imagined it was a bus stop). Ste

and Jamie are both wearing red shirts (the same ones they are wearing on

the front of the box; Ste has his arm around Jamie and their backs are to

the viewer). Were either of these stills in the movie? If not, I have a

new theory. If so - not worth discussing.

Thanks.

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From: David

Subject: Re: Opening scene

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:56:24 -0000

>I always though that Ste had a look of embarassment on his face in the

>opening scene....

I agree with your interpretation, Dirk.

Davie.

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From: David

Subject: Re: Sandra

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:50:49 -0000

>As for the music, I too love '16 going on 17' even though <hold your

>breath here> I don't really care for 'The Sound of Music'. Like I said

>earlier, I'm not your "typical" queer:) Davie: can I sing it too you;-)

I have to share with you a little story relating to this.

Sixteen Going On Seventeen really gets to me as a song. But by far the best

version I've ever heard was two weeks ago when I visited Gavin in

Cambridge, before he returned to Singapore for the summer.

He was sat at the desk typing to other BTers on IRC, I was stood behind him

with my hands on his shoulders. He sang the song to me, and oh!, in such a

sweet voice that it brought tears to my eyes.

His is the performance I shall always think of when this song is mentioned

in the future.

Davie.

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 12:01:33 -0400 (EDT)

From: Eric

Subject: Re:Re: Ste gay or not

At 07:24 AM 7/3/97 +0200, you wrote:

>Yo everybody - this is my first contribution to debate on Beautiful

>Thing, so be gentle with me!

>

>Anyway, I think the kiss is a "beautiful thing", but what makes it for

>me is when the two of them part for a moment and Ste smiles. What's

>in that smile? Probably a mixture of things -

Gee, I thought it was Scott thinking "Cor! Wait til me mates see me doin'

THIS in a movie!"

Just kidding!

-Eric

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:20:20 -0400 (EDT)

From: HeadDr

Subject: First time feeling Love

Im with Eric.....

>From the first scene on, Ste and Jamie are both sneaking glances at each

other. I know that Im old (30 yrs) but I remember being incredible

attracted to a particular guy and would sneak glances at every opportunity.

 

Just my opionion

Jim

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:18:21 -0400

From: "Harry

Subject: Eastenders Tony & Simon

Just got to view last night the videotape of last Sunday evening's showing

on WHYY here in Philadelphia of the Eastenders episode where Tony (played

by Mark Homer), Ted's son, has his first full up speaking parts in several

scenes, one of which includes Simon's sister. For those in the UK this is

well in the past. I've been long anticipating getting to these episodes

from the Gay Times articles, etc. From what I've been able to gleen from

various articles, Tony, very straight, butch, working class knock about

teenager, initially attracted to Simon's sister, finds himself attracted to

and eventually falls in love with Simon, a more typical gay teenager, much

to the confusion - consternation of Albert Square and the UK press. The

Public Broadcasting Station in the Allentown area is a couple of months

behind in episodes, all originally broadcast in the UK beginning in 1995.

While each of the PBS station in the US broadcast Eastenders to their own

schedule, they are somewhat in sync in their considerable delay from the

UK. So, for all those gay Anglophiles and BT fans here in the US, be on

the alert, Eastenders is going to be loads of fun and talked a lot about in

certain gay circles.

- Harry

PS:

I've been faithfully checking in on the BT Newsgroup every weekday and have

seen only 7 articles in the last 2 weeks, 3 of which I posted myself. Is

there lots of traffic and Compuserve not carrying most of it or is there

very little traffic? Am I doing something wrong?

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From: Kenneth

Subject: Re: Cheese & Salad- Bang on food!

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 17:50:25 -0400

try Barnes & Nobles if you're in the US. I purchased a copy there.

KEn

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From: JOE

Subject: Re: Re:Re: Ste gay or not

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:23:43 -0500

> Yo everybody - this is my first contribution to debate on Beautiful

> Thing, so be gentle with me!

>

> Anyway, I think the kiss is a "beautiful thing", but what makes it

for

> me is when the two of them part for a moment and Ste smiles.

What's

> in that smile? Probably a mixture of things - love at last, the

> realisation that he CAN show affection for another man without

being

> ridiculed - and just sheer joy!

> Cheers,

> Mark

>

All through the film, it is Ste's _expressions_ rather than his words

that convey so much of the changes he is going through. There's the

look at the lake when retrieving the ball, then the look of grave

concern when he realizes Jamie has just seen his bruises. There's

the look before he asks Jamie if he always wears glasses. The look

when he says he hasn't given thought to whether he fancies a girl.

The look at the party toward Jamie, etc., etc.

And, of course, that look between kisses by the tree. It's a joyous

look, not just a smile, but a look of celebration and sheer

happiness.

I've read both scripts and Ste has relatively few lines, but he says

so much without words.

Gary

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:12:43 -0400 (EDT)

From: HeadDr

Subject: The Kiss..

If you noticed in the bar scene, Ste intently stares at the two guys kissing.

And, if you notice, when Ste and Jamie kiss, it is similiar to the two guys.

I think that the lack of passion that is percieved by some, is just

inexperience. Prior to the pub, both basically admitted that they had not

kissed anyone. Now whether they kissed more than the short peck on the lips

the first time that 'they were together' is still up for debate. However, I

personally think that the kiss is very passionite yet a kiss of the

inexperienced which adds to the innocents of their love which draws me to

this film.

Jim

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From: JOE

Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:25:45 -0500

> Question for all - on the back of the box that the video came in

> the main characters ( Gangels, Ste, Tony, and Leah) are seated on a

bench

> in what looks like a courtyard ( I also imagined it was a bus

stop). Ste

> and Jamie are both wearing red shirts (the same ones they are

wearing on

> the front of the box; Ste has his arm around Jamie and their backs

are to

> the viewer). Were either of these stills in the movie? If not, I

have a

> new theory. If so - not worth discussing.

>

No, the scenes weren't in the movie. Now let's hear your theory. :)

 

Gary

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:37:19 -0800

From: Mike

Subject: RE: Beautiful Thing

At 8:36 AM -0500 7/3/97, chakravorty  wrote:

>Question for all - on the back of the box that the video came in

>the main characters ( Gangels, Ste, Tony, and Leah) are seated on a bench

>in what looks like a courtyard ( I also imagined it was a bus stop). Ste

>and Jamie are both wearing red shirts (the same ones they are wearing on

>the front of the box; Ste has his arm around Jamie and their backs are to

>the viewer). Were either of these stills in the movie? If not, I have a

>new theory. If so - not worth discussing.

Few if any of the promotional shots I've seen were actual out takes from

the film. I suspect that's because the photographers had to set up for the

still shots -- lighting, film, that sort of thing.

What is you're new theory, Prey?

AND--while we're at it--does anyone know what the innitials JVC stand for?

They show up on Ste's red pullover top and the man singing in the Rec

center at Thamesmead is wearing a different color one with the same

innitials. Anyone?

Mike

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:29:21 -0400 (EDT)

From: HeadDr

Subject: Ste getting the ball for Jamie

Just a note.

In the screenplay, Ste actually winks at Jamie prior to the ball going in the

water. This was mysteriously left out in the movie.

jim

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 19:27:25 -0400 (EDT)

From: davis

Subject: RE: Beautiful Thing

Message-id:

 

 

On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Mike  wrote:

> AND--while we're at it--does anyone know what the innitials JVC stand for?

> They show up on Ste's red pullover top and the man singing in the Rec

> center at Thamesmead is wearing a different color one with the same

> innitials. Anyone?

JVC is an electronics company. I'd guess it's just a replica football

shirt that still has the sponsor on it. Am I right?

Later,

Chris

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:21:48 -0500 (CDT)

From: sean

Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing

Actually I think the line is "get us me ball back"

Sean

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, luiriver wrote:

> Hi,

>

> What Jamie said is "Get me ball back"

>

> Luis

>

> On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, John wrote:

>

> > I was thinking about the first time Ste actually began to have feelings

> > for Jamie. I think the first night in the bedroom, he may have felt

> > *something* but was basically unaware of his feelings at that point.

> > For me, the first time Ste actually feels something for Jamie is in

> > the scene where he is playing soccer with his friends. The two glances

> > that Ste gives him while kicking the ball isn't what I'm talking

> > about.

> > When the ball goes into the water?

> >

> > "....my ball back?" Jamie says (I really haven't a clue as to

> > what he really says. It's sounds to me like "garble garble my ball

> > back?")

> >

> > All the guys jump in, and after Jamie is thrown in (by that McBride

> > fellow) they all seem more concerned with teasing him and splashing him

> > with water. They have all forgotten about the ball- all except for Ste

> > that is.

> >

> > It is this point for me that Ste realizes he has feelings for Jamie.

> > Notice the affectionate way he grabs the ball, puts his whole body

> > around ensuring that he has it. Then he gets up and looks over toward

> > Jamie and sees the other guys splashing him with water. As Ste looks at

> > him he smiles with an affectionate look. It's very subtle.

> > What do the rest of you guys think about this.

> >

> > John

> >

>

>

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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 00:47:08 +0100

From: Gavin

Subject: Re: Sandra

At 15:50 7/3/97 -0000, David  wrote:

>He was sat at the desk typing to other BTers on IRC, I was stood behind him

>with my hands on his shoulders. He sang the song to me, and oh!, in such a

>sweet voice that it brought tears to my eyes.

Go on! Embarass me in front of everyone else! >-P LOL

 

Gav.

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 01:15:42 +0200

From: jmcs

Subject: RE: Beautiful Thing

At 11:37 3/07/97 -0800, you wrote:

>AND--while we're at it--does anyone know what the innitials JVC stand for?

>They show up on Ste's red pullover top and the man singing in the Rec

>center at Thamesmead is wearing a different color one with the same

>innitials. Anyone?

>

>Mike

Actually, what Ste´s wearing is the Arsenal´s shirt (a football team). Also,

his room is decorated with Arsenal´s memorabilia (poster, and even his

bedspread reads "Arsenal Football Club"). Every football team (Spanish ones

too) has sponsors and they wear their names in their shirts. Usually there´s

one sponsor for every season and in this case, Arsenal´s sponsor was JVC.

Off topic now, I should tell you that my beloved Real Madrid won the Spanish

football league (maybe some of you already know). Gee, I´m happy, fellas!

Take care.

 

Sandra.

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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 01:06:28 +0100

From: Gavin

Subject: Re: Sandra

At 15:50 7/3/97 -0000, David  wrote:

>He was sat at the desk typing to other BTers on IRC, I was stood behind him

>with my hands on his shoulders. He sang the song to me, and oh!, in such a

>sweet voice that it brought tears to my eyes.

Go on! Embarass me in front of everyone else! >-P LOL

 

Gav.

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From: Kenneth

Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:31:34 -0400

I took JVC to be the initials of the media corporation which makes

electronics and various electronic media. As for their meaning, I wouldn't

venture a guess besides Japanese Video corp.

Ken

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> From: Mike

> Subject: RE: Beautiful Thing

> Date: Thursday, July 03, 1997 15.37

>

> At 8:36 AM -0500 7/3/97, chakravorty  wrote:

> >Question for all - on the back of the box that the video came in

> >the main characters ( Gangels, Ste, Tony, and Leah) are seated on a

bench

> >in what looks like a courtyard ( I also imagined it was a bus stop). Ste

> >and Jamie are both wearing red shirts (the same ones they are wearing on

> >the front of the box; Ste has his arm around Jamie and their backs are

to

> >the viewer). Were either of these stills in the movie? If not, I have a

> >new theory. If so - not worth discussing.

>

> Few if any of the promotional shots I've seen were actual out takes from

> the film. I suspect that's because the photographers had to set up for

the

> still shots -- lighting, film, that sort of thing.

>

> What is you're new theory, Prey?

>

> AND--while we're at it--does anyone know what the innitials JVC stand

for?

> They show up on Ste's red pullover top and the man singing in the Rec

> center at Thamesmead is wearing a different color one with the same

> innitials. Anyone?

>

> Mike

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 21:59:14 +0000

From: John

Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing

Mark said,

<<Anyway, I think the kiss is a "beautiful thing", but what makes it for

me is when the two of them part for a moment and Ste smiles. What's

in that smile? Probably a mixture of things - love at last, the

realisation that he CAN show affection for another man without being

ridiculed - and just sheer joy!>>

Whatever it is, though, I just melt every time I see that smile!

Mark,

I too just melt when I see that smile. That for me was as good as an

"I Love You"

and they continued as the camera panned out

Wonderful! Wonderful!

John

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From: JOE

Subject: Re: First time feeling Love

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 21:25:17 -0500

> Im with Eric.....

>

> From the first scene on, Ste and Jamie are both sneaking glances at

each

> other. I know that Im old (30 yrs) but I remember being

incredible

> attracted to a particular guy and would sneak glances at every

opportunity.

> Just my opionion

>

> Jim

I started watching BT again today. I bought some new stereo speakers

(Bose 201s) and wanted to see if I heard anything more. I did - a

lot of interesting background and ambient sounds.

BUT..I also noticed more. Ste steals a glance at Jamie in the very

first scene.

Gary

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From: JOE

Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 21:27:30 -0500

> AND--while we're at it--does anyone know what the innitials JVC

stand for?

> They show up on Ste's red pullover top and the man singing in the

Rec

> center at Thamesmead is wearing a different color one with the same

> innitials. Anyone?

>

> Mike >

It's JVC - the electronics company. I've noticed that most soccer

(excuse me, football) jerseys have corporate advertising on them.

Gary

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From: David

Subject: Contributors to the news-group

Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 04:57:35 -0000

I thought it might be useful if I give you a list of all the contributors I

can see to the news group. If you have posted to the group but don't see

your name on this list it means that the news-server (or group of) that you

are connected to is not making the link to the rest of the world.

Talk to your news service and ask them to sort it out!

This list is from 2nd July back to the 18th June.

Jeff

Speaker

John

Mathew

Kenny

Andrew

Meinolf

Kenneth

Andy

Roger

Kent

The gentle cuddlebear

Me, not you

Graham

Marc

Harry R

Jason

Eroc

Bruce

Tory

Chris

Niall

Keith

Regards, Davie

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 22:11:09 +0000

From: John

Subject: Re: First time feeling Love

<<>From the first scene on, Ste and Jamie are both sneaking glances at

each

other. I know that Im old (30 yrs) but I remember being incredible

attracted to a particular guy and would sneak glances at every

opportunity.>>

<<I know that Im old (30 yrs)>>

Thirty is old?????????????

When did it become a tacky gay stereotypical refrain to refer to any

guy under thirty as "old"?? (even one's own self!)

I find that very disturbing!!!

You are NOT old!!! (not there 's anything wrong with being old!!

You're just NOT, that's all)

John

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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 00:54:18 -0400

From: Dick

Subject: Gay pride

To all living in London, have a walloping great time on saturday. Wish

I could be there with you all.

Love ya all,

Dick C

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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:00:12 +0000

From: John

Subject: oops

<<When did it become a tacky gay stereotypical refrain to refer to any

guy under thirty as "old"?? (even one's own self!)>>

> to any guy under thirty as "old"??>

eh...hemm.. I meant *over* thirty

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:31:09 -0400 (EDT)

From: HeadDr

Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing

JVC -- Is an american company that makes a variety of products such as

tapes,VCRs etc. Another thing they do is sponsor 'football' in England!!

Jim

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From: Kenneth

Subject: Re: First time feeling Love

Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 11:01:02 -0400

Golly, I am next in line. I am 29...Oh, boy.

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> From: John

> Subject: Re: First time feeling Love

> Date: Thursday, July 03, 1997 18.11

>

> <<>From the first scene on, Ste and Jamie are both sneaking glances at

> each

> other. I know that Im old (30 yrs) but I remember being incredible

> attracted to a particular guy and would sneak glances at every

> opportunity.>>

>

> <<I know that Im old (30 yrs)>>

>

> Thirty is old?????????????

>

> When did it become a tacky gay stereotypical refrain to refer to any

> guy under thirty as "old"?? (even one's own self!)

>

> I find that very disturbing!!!

>

> You are NOT old!!! (not there 's anything wrong with being old!!

> You're just NOT, that's all)

>

> John

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 09:42:41 -0500 (CDT)

From: chakravorty

Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing

Good - then I can have my happy ending - Tony is obviously in the picture

at the back of the video, the boys are together and happy, even Leah is

part of the crew (we know that this action has to take place after the Ste-

Jamie dance scene because as I mentioned Ste's arm in around Jamie on the

bench which is in a very public place). My "theory" is that someone

somewhere wanted all the viewers to be happy - including the ones rooting

for Tony and Leah. Now a NEW QUESTION. I was just wondering if the copy

of the screenplay that we have in the states is the original screenplay.

I ask this because in my copy of the screenplay from Trainspotting there

are many scenes that were ultimately taken out of the movie. These scenes

are noted as such (i.e., "cut from the movie"). Anyone have a screenplay

of BT that includes such scenes? If so, what were they (they might also

have been bits of dialogue).

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 10:59:36 -0500 (CDT)

From: sean

Subject: Re:Re: Ste gay or not

I agree, I love the smile too...in fact I rewind it at least once at that

part to see it again.

Sean

On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Mark  wrote:

> Yo everybody - this is my first contribution to debate on Beautiful

> Thing, so be gentle with me!

>

> Anyway, I think the kiss is a "beautiful thing", but what makes it for

> me is when the two of them part for a moment and Ste smiles. What's

> in that smile? Probably a mixture of things - love at last, the

> realisation that he CAN show affection for another man without being

> ridiculed - and just sheer joy!

>

> Whatever it is, though, I just melt every time I see that smile!

>

> Cheers,

> Mark

>

>

>

> Not to be a real-sh*t,

> but I have to admit, after seeing the movie that night, I kept

> remembering how everyone was slobbering over the kiss and how beautiful

> it was - I got the impression that "everyone" thought it was the

> "perfect kiss", and it wasn't - as you say, it's got rhythm, it's does

> move - it is very "real" in the sense that NOTHING is perfect, but that

> doesn't mean we can't try to attain perfection, right?

> Well, my whole point in writing, as I said was to get others to think

> about that too - too many times I have gone back and thought, "God, if I

> had only done that differently..." whereas if someone had been observing

> me from an objective point of view, they may have considered my actions

> (words, etc) "poetry in motion"...or not!?! But the point I am trying to

> make is that no matter what we each may think about a certain thing, we

> can choose to see it positively or negatively, in a dream or in reality

> - well, I guess you said it best: "Well, my reaction was unexpected to

> say the least." Sorry if this sounds very confusing (long story), but I

> have gotten back alot of responses (like I thought) and most have them

> have encouraged me...no matter how bad or good something LOOKS like, it

> can still be a Beautiful Thing.

>

>

> Kevin

> _____

> >

> > At 02:58 30/06/97 -0400, you wrote:

> > >Can I add, too, that I just watched the movie again the other nite (at

> > >2am - so maybe it dulled my senses?!?) but the kiss in the park didn't

> > >look very "real" (God, I'm gonna get e-mail for this one!?) I was

> > >watching very intently (thru my sleep-induced haze?) and the kiss looked

> > >"passionate", but not loving - I will probably have to watch it again -

> > >because the first 5 or six times I saw it, it seemed real enough to me -

> > >but for some reason, the other nite, it looked like two guys getting the

> > >job done...on to the next scene. Has anyone else dared to pick apart the

> > >scene at length?!? I apologize (in advance) if I upset anyone with this

> > >comment - just voicing my opinion - and when I get a free moment I WILL

> > >watch the park scene again, but after viewing it the last time, I found

> > >it left me lacking...fulfillment!?

> > >IMHO

> > >Kevin

> >

> > Buf! How can I explain this?

> >

> > The first time I saw the movie I knew exactly how and when they were going

> > to kiss because I had read the screenplay in advance. But I had no idea what

> > my reaction was going to be or if the kiss was going to be shy, passionate,

> > both... you know?

> >

> > Well, my reaction was unexpected to say the least. The music captivated me.

> > Seeing Ste and Jamie chasing each other with such happiness and abandonment

> > and Mama Cass at full volume (it was the first time I heard the song) made

> > me literally jump from my seat. I was expecting them to kiss because I KNEW

> > they were going to kiss but when they slow down and Ste goes to Jamie my

> > heart stopped. The first two kisses were shy as I expected them to be but

> > after that everything went too fast. The kiss was over before I knew. That

> > was my first impression. A blur of lips, arms...

> >

> > After two million wiewings (some of them slow motion) I think that was

> > exactly the way Hettie wanted the kiss to be. After all, they could have

> > shot it again and again until they kissed 'correctly'. <G>

> >

> > A big plus for me is the fact that it was the first time Glen and Scott

> > kissed, which makes the scene even more innocent and pure, IMO.

> > Now, I dont believe the kiss is 'fast' anymore. In fact, I consider it has

> > a certain rhythm, a cadence (maybe its because of the music, I dunno).

> > Sometimes I even think its really slow. It has a hurried clumsiness that I

> > love. They want to do everything at once. The way they sometimes bump their

> > noses when they turn their heads, that light caress to Stes neck, that

> > moment when they embrace each other and their arms entangle... beautiful.

> >

> > I do believe its a very passionate kiss. They want to please the other but

> > they dont know how. Its not just a smooch, its a very

> > loving-sweet-passionate kiss. [And Ive seen it at every possible moment and

> > mood: in the morning, in the afternoon, in the evening, at night, in the

> > living room, in my room, in my bed (I still remember the earthquake in the

> > middle of the kiss!), angry, sad, happy, sleepy...] but every time I find it

> > delightful and beautiful to see. (sigh)

> >

> > Excuse me, I must to see it for two million and one time. Night, everybody.

> >

> > Take care.

> >

> > Sandra.

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From: Jeff

Subject: Actually...

Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:24:40 -0600

JVC means Victor Company of Japan. A multinational company started in 1927.

It is a sponsor of the World Cup.

Jeff

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From: Mike

Subject: Re: First time feeling Love

Yeah, well, wait till your 49, like me. Imagine 50. Go ahead. Try it. I

dare ya.

As I've said before, the WEIRD thing is, I don't "feel" (emotionally) a day

over, oh, 30 - 35. (35 may, seem 'old' to many of you, to me it certainly

does not.) Physically, now that's another thing...aches and pains and shit.

Body's are wave forms, guys, they truly are: Temporary manifestatsions of a

peculiar 4/5 dimensional (time/'timeless') consciousness cast into a 3/4

dimensional (space/time) world.

Oops. This doesn't have ANYTHING to do with BT or First time feeling

Love...or does it?

Okay, here goes: Love is a qualitative property of 4/5 consciousness. When

it gets projected into 3/4 space time it manifests as fragmented into the

various properties associated with our 3/4 bodies: physical desire,

emotional longing, and mental confusion. (That last is a bit of a cosmic

joke perhaps, but varifiable nontheless.)

Okay enough proFUNdities for one Independence Day.

HOPE EVERYONE IN THE UK HAS A GOOD PRIDE DAY!

 

At 11:01 AM -0400 7/4/97, Kenneth  wrote:

>Golly, I am next in line. I am 29...Oh, boy.

>

>----------

>> From: John

>> <<>From the first scene on, Ste and Jamie are both sneaking glances at

>> each

>> other. I know that Im old (30 yrs) but I remember being incredible

>> attracted to a particular guy and would sneak glances at every

>> opportunity.>>

>>

>> <<I know that Im old (30 yrs)>>

>>

>> Thirty is old?????????????

>>

>> When did it become a tacky gay stereotypical refrain to refer to any

>> guy under thirty as "old"?? (even one's own self!)

>>

>> I find that very disturbing!!!

>>

>> You are NOT old!!! (not there 's anything wrong with being old!!

>> You're just NOT, that's all)

>>

>> John

 

Mike

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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 02:17:50 -0800

From: Mike

Subject: Re:Re: Ste gay or not

At 10:59 AM -0500 7/4/97, sean  wrote:

>I agree, I love the smile too...in fact I rewind it at least once at that

>part to see it again.

>

>Sean

>

 

In THAT case, I invite you to take a look at

Please do not share this URL with

others (because of potential copy right problems) but I am letting a few

BTlisters know about it. For the smile, you are welcome. :-)

 

Mike

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