From: Todd

Subject: someone help

Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:29:58 -0500

Does anyone know how to unsubscribe? I'm changing ISP's and need to cancel

my prior subscription e-mail address ..... and it won't let me!

Todd

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> From: Andrew

> Subject: The First Time

> Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 5:49 AM

>

> I was watching an episode of Deep Space Nine yesterday when a line of

> dialog grabbed my attention.

>

> "I savoured those stories. I read them slowly, one each day and when I

was

> done I wished that I hadn't read them at all - so I could read them again

> like it was the first time"

>

> What immediately came to mind when I heard this was the first time I

> watched Beautiful Thing, not knowing how the story line would develop,

and

> hoping for a nice ending (which did happen but in an unexpected way). I

sat

> back and took it all in, this feeling of being a virginal viewer.

>

> When the film reached it's ending, although I was filled with a happy and

> joyous feeling, I was confused by the fact that this story may not over.

I

> wanted to see it again, like the first time, but with a different ending.

> But that was not to be.

>

> The next line of dialog ..."There is only one first time, isn't there.

And

> only one last time too..."

>

> Cheers,

> Andy.

>

> PS.For those who wonder too much, the DS9 episode title was "The

Visitor".

>

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:11:43 +0100

From: jmcs

Subject: Re: Questions for the B.T.B.T.

At 08:39 26/10/97 -0500, Kent wrote:

>Hi Friends!

>

> (Oh, BTW, that acronym stands for "Beautiful Thing Brain Trust",

>meaning all of *you*, of course!!)

>

> While checking out the latest update on Eric's site at

>, I was struck by the photo showing Glen in an

>orange-ish shirt, with his arm on Scott's shoulder (Scott is wearing a

>shirt of a fuschia-kinda color). Since Scott's hair is noticeably

>longer than in the movie, Eric and I concluded (um, this was on IRC) the

>picture was taken after the movie was filmed. My questions are: does

>anyone know any specifics of this picture? Like: when *was* it taken?

>Were all the cast members together for a single photo shoot? Are there

>any other shots from that same photo session?

 

Kent, that picture is taken from the British video cover. I bought it to

Virgin in December and that´s the cover of the film. Curious, Scott´s hair

is longer and Glen´s shorter. But both of them are equally cute, don´t you

think?

 

Take care.

 

Sandra.

 

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:27:55 +1100

From: Andrew

Subject: Re: The First Time

>From me:

>>"There is only one first time, isn't there. And

>>only one last time too..."

Mike's reply:

>Clearly the "end" was only the beginning...

>

Thanks Mike. That sentence created a whole new perspective for me of how I

percieve the ending.

Andy.

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:30:45 -0400

From: Keith

Subject: Re: To Keith and Mike

 

>>> <jmcs10/24/97 06:06PM >>>

You know, almost ten years ago my whole family gathered to celebrate

someone s birthday or something. During the after-dinner chat the subject of

the conversation was how kids always manage to embarrass adults in public....

Sandra,

My heart warms everytime I reread your post (and I've reread it more than a

few times). Thank God the world has people like you in it, Sandra, and thank

you for sharing this with me/us.

I was at a football game this weekend (talk about testosterone flowing

unchecked) and there was this old guy making a joke about "the faggot over

by the men's "rest" area taking pictures" (He was only joking; no one was

taking pictures or anything); but off course everyone got a good laugh at it,

at the (unknown) expense of me, and probably hundreds of other people

attending the game. His ignorance and underlying hostility toward gay people

typified what I see so much of, and what most people fear when coming out.

This is why I find this list so important. It is a constant reminder that

everyone in this world is not as small-minded and ignorant as the man at the

game.

 

Keith

 

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:51:35 -0500

From: "Harry

Subject: .

So is this mailing list a Davie mailing list or someone else?

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From: Chris

Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:04:19 +0000

Subject: SUBSCRIBING AND UNSUBSCRIBING

Hi All,

Just a little note to you all about subscribing and unsubscribing

from the list.

To SUBSCRIBE:

Send an email to  with the SUBJECT -

subscribe

To UNSUBSCRIBE

Send an email to  with the SUBJECT -

unsubscribe <PASSWORD>

If you don't know what your password is, (it was sent to you when you

joined the list) then email me at ) and I'll send it to you.

 

Hopefully this clears up any problems. If you still have questions

please feel free to email me.

Be Naughty, Be Safe.

 

 

 

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:38:45 +0100 (MET)

From: Martijn

Subject: Re:

>So is this mailing list a Davie mailing list or someone else?

Its a mailinglist of a very very very very very nice person!!!!!!

 

 

Martijn

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:05:12 +0100

From: jmcs

Subject: Life

At 12:30 27/10/97 -0400, Keith wrote:

>Sandra,

>

>My heart warms everytime I reread your post (and I've reread it more than a

few times). Thank God the world has people like you in it, Sandra, and

thank you for sharing this with me/us.

My heart warms everytime I read any of your posts. I am positive there´s

something magical about this list, something pure and true that´s a

reflection of ourselves.

>I was at a football game this weekend (talk about testosterone flowing

unchecked) and there was this old guy making a joke about "the faggot over

by the men's "rest" area taking pictures" (He was only joking; no one was

taking pictures or anything); but off course everyone got a good laugh at

it, at the (unknown) expense of me, and probably hundreds of other people

attending the game. His ignorance and underlying hostility toward gay

people typified what I see so much of, and what most people fear when coming

out. This is why I find this list so important. It is a constant reminder

that everyone in this world is not as small-minded and ignorant as the man

at the game.

 

I´m so sorry about what happened! These cruel jokes always remind me of what

I had to go through during my childhood. I never was populat at school. I

was shy and introverted and kids always made fun of me. 7th degree was

especially painful. It´s been 13 years but I will never forget that year.

Keith, I understand so well your pain when you realized you were completely

alone, that you had no one to turn to. I knew what being totally alone meant

that morning during playtime when several kids came to me and started

beating me. After the beating I went crying to the teacher and in a few

minutes my whole class knew about it. And you know what happened? When they

knew Elena (the kids´s leader) and myself had had a fight, my whole class

sided with her. There were about 40 kids in my class. Elena was 13 (one year

older than the rest of us), she always wore tight-fitting clothes and above

all, she had a boyfriend!! And she did 'things' with him. WOW!! That made

her the most popular, the coolest and most admired girl in the class.

Everything she said and did was cool, being her friend was even cooler and

trying to be like her was everyone´s goal. I just tried to pass my

examinations (unsuccesfully, let me tell you) and be nice to everybody.

Elena always made fun of me (of my clothes, my hairdo, my shyness) and you

know... when her hinted hostility towards me exploded that day and she and a

few other kids beat me the whole class sided with her. That day was the

worst in my entire life. The whole class insulting me, ignoring me, laughing

at me, the teachers turning a blind eye (kid´s stuff!). I wanted to die, the

days that followed that incident were a living hell and for the first and

only time in my life I seriously considered suicide (besides, I had failed

two subjects because of my problems). I could see no way out. Sometimes I

can´t believe I managed to survive that year. But I did. We moved house, so

I changed school.

We are hurt so much and so often that we create a barrier to protect us from

other people´s hostility at the risk of becoming hardhearted people. That´s

what I thought had happened to me. I thought my heart was like stone. But

I´m very happy to see I´m not dead inside. All my suffering has made me

stronger, not hardhearted.

Keith, pay no attention to all those cavemen out there. You are far more

wise, interesting, appealing and upright than any of them will ever become.

You are stronger and better. We have a saying around here. It´s something

like: "An insult is a fool´s tool".

 

Take care.

 

 

Sandra.

 

 

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:05:15 +0100

From: jmcs

Subject: Beautiful Thing

Hello everybody!

This comment is mainly addressed to all the British members if the list; and

to all of you, of course!!!

I have satellite so I can watch a lot of channels. This evening I was

watching a series I used to see when I was 15 or so, a British series about

two cops, male and female: "Dempsey and Makepeace". Well, today´s ep was

about a serial killer that murdered women to take revenge on his wife 'cause

she let him down. He finally kidnaps Makepeace but her partner saves her,

well... almost. Anyway, as soon as I saw the serial killer, his face was

familiar to me. This series´s ten years old, so the guy was younger. But I

knew him. I spent the whole episode trying to remember. The end credits

opened my eyes. His name was Garry Cooper. Exactly, Ronnie!! Ste´s father.

Sometimes I can be pretty dense!! Especially because this guy always plays

nasty roles!!! I mean, he´s unmistakable!! :))

 

Take care.

 

Sandra.

 

 

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:49:42 -0600

From: Gary

Subject: Passing along a message from David

Tonight I stayed late at work trying to help a colleague figure out

(1) how to install Netscape 4.0 (which is excellent, by the way) and (2)

why his office's computer HD had only one meg free!

In the process he asked me how to work mIRC and explain IRC to him.

So I logged on to it myself (on his computer) and joined

#beautiful-thing, only to find "daveykins" (David ).

David wanted me to pass along to y'all that he has discovered it may

up to two weeks before he gets his phone installed, so it will be

difficult, if not impossible, for him to keep up with any e-mail in the

meantime and he wanted everyone to know that.

Gary

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From: Kent

Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:02:56 -0500

Subject: What Really Killed Mama Cass!

Hi, Everybody, both new and old-- er, "already", I mean-- members of the

list! :)

A friend at work said she saw Mama Cass' daughter being interviewed on a

US program called Entertainment Tonight last evening (October 29) and,

although this becomes probably a bit distorted in the retelling, this is

what she said Cass' daughter said:

Her mother did not die from choking on a sandwich; apparently, the

rumor she was rebutting was that her mother choked on a ham sandwich

(Sandra in BT said "low-cholesterol", "beef or chicken"). She said it

was one of those tabloid-concocted lies, and it only gained legitimacy

through repetition. She had her mother's death certificate and the

cause of death was listed as a heart attack. She said her mother, a

nice Jewish girl, would not have been eating a HAM sandwich, in any

event. Maybe someone who actually saw the show first hand can clarify

if I have misstated-- that is, if the whole subject isn't too morbid, or

(dare I say it) "distasteful"!

Kent

 

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From: Kent

Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:02:56 -0500

Subject: What Really Killed Mama Cass!

Hi, Everybody, both new and old-- er, "already", I mean-- members of the

list! :)

A friend at work said she saw Mama Cass' daughter being interviewed on a

US program called Entertainment Tonight last evening (October 29) and,

although this becomes probably a bit distorted in the retelling, this is

what she said Cass' daughter said:

Her mother did not die from choking on a sandwich; apparently, the

rumor she was rebutting was that her mother choked on a ham sandwich

(Sandra in BT said "low-cholesterol", "beef or chicken"). She said it

was one of those tabloid-concocted lies, and it only gained legitimacy

through repetition. She had her mother's death certificate and the

cause of death was listed as a heart attack. She said her mother, a

nice Jewish girl, would not have been eating a HAM sandwich, in any

event. Maybe someone who actually saw the show first hand can clarify

if I have misstated-- that is, if the whole subject isn't too morbid, or

(dare I say it) "distasteful"!

Kent

 

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:47:16 -0500

From: Keith

Subject: Re: What Really Killed Mama Cass!

Kent,

You're right - the sandwich thin is Urban legend #1,345,876. Apparently she

was eating in bed when she suffered the heart attack, and the coroner on the

scene said she may have choked. Off course, the press ran with this, and in

hours the world knew Mama Cass choked on a sandwich. Three days later when

the autopsy reports were released, no one was interested in the truth.

P.S. There are some great web sites compiling all these modern day Urban

legends (I don't know any off hand, but search for "urban legend" and you

should find plenty.)

Keith

 

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:47:02 -0500

From: Dick

Subject: Mama Cass

Kent wrote if anyone had seen a program stating that Mama Cass died from

a heart attack. That is the true story. She did not die chocking on a

sandwich. You can read all about her on the official Cass Elliot web

page on aol. The chocking story was just that, a story that gained

momentum over the years, but was not true.

Dick

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From: David

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:04:20 -0800

Subject: OUT

In the current issue of Out magazine (Nov 97) there is an article on the

portrayal of same-sex kissing in film. Although BT is not mentioned in

the article; there is a picture of Jamie & Ste kissing in the Wood (page

76).

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:29:39 -0500

From: lady

Subject: Re: What Really Killed Mama Cass!

It has been said elsewhere that she actually had been crash dieting prior to

her death and this added strain on her heart which caused the heart attack.

It is always like the tabloids to make up a ludicrous story as the ham

sarnie tale, especially with a woman of size such as Cass was.

Sher

Kent wrote:

> Hi, Everybody, both new and old-- er, "already", I mean-- members of the

> list! :)

>

> A friend at work said she saw Mama Cass' daughter being interviewed on a

> US program called Entertainment Tonight last evening (October 29) and,

> although this becomes probably a bit distorted in the retelling, this is

> what she said Cass' daughter said:

>

> Her mother did not die from choking on a sandwich; apparently, the

> rumor she was rebutting was that her mother choked on a ham sandwich

> (Sandra in BT said "low-cholesterol", "beef or chicken"). She said it

> was one of those tabloid-concocted lies, and it only gained legitimacy

> through repetition. She had her mother's death certificate and the

> cause of death was listed as a heart attack. She said her mother, a

> nice Jewish girl, would not have been eating a HAM sandwich, in any

> event. Maybe someone who actually saw the show first hand can clarify

> if I have misstated-- that is, if the whole subject isn't too morbid, or

> (dare I say it) "distasteful"!

>

> Kent

>

 

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From: Chris

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:02:40 +0000

Subject: Re: .Davie Mailing List (Was Re: )

Priority: normal

> So is this mailing list a Davie mailing list or someone else?

>

> --

Some one else ;-)

Davie is taking time away from the internet at the moment, until he

decides to return, I'mgoing to be running this mailing list as a

resource for fans of Beautiful Thing.

 

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