Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 09:03:07 MET
From: Hannes
Subject: Happy Birthday (was re:Rehearsal Update #8)

Michael!!

A Happy birthday to our Honorary Jamie from Southern Africa!
I hope Simon enjoyed!!
My own birthday is not long off, and I've suddenly met (or heard
of)
quite a few people who share the aproximate DOB of myself!
Beautiful
Coincidences!! Ha Ha!

Mad-as-a-hatter-Hannes

Compuware South Africa

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Subject: Rehearsal Update #8
Date: 2/4/98 6:57 PM

Dear BT fans

Well, less than one week to go before opening night and we are feeling
pretty excited/nervous. I must say, it is looking very good.

The bedroom scenes are <sizzling> ... I think some members of the
audience
may not be able to stand up for interval (which immediately follows the
Peppermint Foot Lotion Scene). The complete fascination and youthful
lust
Jamie has for Ste is so real it's scary.

And Sandra! She's going off and thankfully unlike the Sandra in the
film
yet totally fantastic.

Anyway, better get some much needed beauty sleep - I am pretty darn
exhausted. I'm planning a little surprise birthday party for Simon
("Jamie") who farewells his teenage years tomorrow [Feb 5].

Cheers
MICHAEL

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From: "Philippe
Subject: French Beautiful Thing Homepage
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:40:03 +0100

Hello,

You can now see the first results from the charts on the homepage. Who's
the
favorite character ? What's the favorite scene ? What's the favorite Mama
Cass song ? This and more can be found in the charts results.

The voting-form has also changed, so I'm waiting for your votes!

Have fun,

Phil

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From: jmcs
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:13:08 +0000
Subject: Re: Hello All
Hi everybody!

First of all, Jonathan, Ste (uncanny coincidences!) welcome to the list!!

I know is a little late but better late than never.

Michael, your emails about the rehearsals are superb. We're all drooling

waiting for 'the moment', especially Andy (27 days now, right?). Keep
up
the good work and Simon, a belated Happy Birthday!!

Take care.

Sandra.

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From: LeSapeur
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:25:27 EST
Subject: The Next Three Weeks

Ive taken all this time to establish the mood, because what happened
during
those next 90 minutes and the following three weeks begs my limited skill
with
words to describe, but I am compelled to make the effort......

Those 90 minutes.... Oh, I could list the scenes, comment on the music,
the
actors, the director and production staff - and just may before I am
finished
with these postings - but the fact is I cried, laughed, whooped, hugged
myself
[ I watched it alone!! :-( ], I think I may have even jumped for joy a
few
times. It was a Beautiful Thing.........

As I have said, I got this movie when I was already in a as upbeat a mood
as I
had been in a very long time. I was thinking, planning and doing things
that
I had not dared or even thought of doing for years. I dont think it would
be
accurate to say that watching Beautiful Thing was the cause of what
happened
during the next three weeks - catalyst seems a better way of looking at
it.
But for about the next three weeks I was in a high that was so rare, so
right,
so content, so at peace that in that time I accomplished more about being
the
person I wanted to be than I have ever before. I took actions and steps
that
had been dreams for way too long. And when this incredible period of
creativity and happiness gradually resolved into someting resembling the
real
world, I found the world a much more Beautiful Thing....

To be is to be perceived. Perhaps I was just perceiving everything
through
that rainbow at the beginning of Beautiful Thing. The pain in your arse
is
really in your head! Maybe its all a figment of my imagination and a sad
obsession, but this time in my life is the time of Beautiful Things, and I
will always think of it in terms of this incredible film that I happened
to
comes across in just the right way, at just the right time.......

Over the next three weeks, besides getting a firm grip on my dreams and
life,
I managed find all those great web pages, these email lists and quite a
bit
more. Got myself the Stageplay, Screenplay, CD Sound Track, and my very
own
bottle of Peppermint Foot Lotion.

As the song says, An nobodys getting fat except Mama Cass......

As another song says - Its getting better. It is hard for me to imagine
any
film or similar experience that will ever be able to affect me in such a
profound way. But if things are, indeed, getting better then that day may
come..... And if it does, it will just be another Beautiful Thing and
only
enhance the original by its flattery....

Aayu, Vanna, Sukhang, Phalang
Old Age, Prosperity, Contentment, Good Health to all of you........

Ste

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:52:50 +1100 (EST)
From: Andy
Subject: BT Valentines Day card

Pick up your free Beautiful Thing Valentines Day card now...

Go to the BT-Stories Archive site at:

and click on the link at the top of the page.

Happy Valentines to you all,

Andy.

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From: Donald
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:33:50 EST
Subject: Snowed In!!!

Hey all, I am snowed in and do not have a copy of BT to watch and bide my
time. AAACK I even loaned out my CD so I can't even listen to that. What
am I
going to do? I will have to rely on all of you to keep me in the BT mood.
(Yeah, like I need the help continuing my infatuation with the marvelous
movie!)

Well, how's everybody else doing? Chat with ya' later.
Donald

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 98 10:35:33 MET
From: Hannes
Subject: Re: The Next Three Weeks

Ste, you've said it.
I know EXACTLY what you mean. For me, it was just as big an
experience! I just went and saw it another, umm, few times to
experience the buzz over and over again! <G>

BT being the catalyst, I also did things that I never did before,
but
always wanted to... sigh!

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Subject: The Next Three Weeks
Date: 2/6/98 9:17 AM

As I have said, I got this movie when I was already in a as upbeat a mood
as I
had been in a very long time. I was thinking, planning and doing things
that
I had not dared or even thought of doing for years. I dont think it would
be
accurate to say that watching Beautiful Thing was the cause of what
happened
during the next three weeks - catalyst seems a better way of looking at
it.
But for about the next three weeks I was in a high that was so rare, so
right,
so content, so at peace that in that time I accomplished more about being
the
person I wanted to be than I have ever before. I took actions and steps
that
had been dreams for way too long. And when this incredible period of
creativity and happiness gradually resolved into someting resembling the
real
world, I found the world a much more Beautiful Thing....

To be is to be perceived. Perhaps I was just perceiving everything
through
that rainbow at the beginning of Beautiful Thing. The pain in your arse
is
really in your head! Maybe its all a figment of my imagination and a
sad
obsession, but this time in my life is the time of Beautiful Things, and
I
will always think of it in terms of this incredible film that I happened
to
comes across in just the right way, at just the right time.......

Over the next three weeks, besides getting a firm grip on my dreams and
life,
I managed find all those great web pages, these email lists and quite a
bit
more. Got myself the Stageplay, Screenplay, CD Sound Track, and my very
own
bottle of Peppermint Foot Lotion.

As the song says, An nobodys getting fat except Mama Cass......

As another song says - Its getting better. It is hard for me to imagine
any
film or similar experience that will ever be able to affect me in such
a
profound way. But if things are, indeed, getting better then that day
may
come..... And if it does, it will just be another Beautiful Thing and
only
enhance the original by its flattery....

Aayu, Vanna, Sukhang, Phalang
Old Age, Prosperity, Contentment, Good Health to all of you........

Ste

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:49:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Rich
Subject: Re: Snowed In!!!

Donald,
Snow in Louisville! I've been there -- I used to work there at
WHAS TV.
You should be able to find enough support to get through being
snowed in as long as the power for your computer doesn't fail.
Start with Eric's most excellent BT website and work your way
around the ring.
Then, of course, there's Davie's webpage guestbook -- thousands
of entries to read there.
And when I checked the Newsgroup this morning there were about
145 entries.
Or you could spend your time fantacizing about Jamie and Ste
being snowed in someplace....
Don't worry -- your friends are standing by you in this crisis.
We'll pull you through.
Cheers,
Rich

---Donald wrote:
>
> Hey all, I am snowed in and do not have a copy of BT to watch and
bide my
> time. AAACK I even loaned out my CD so I can't even listen to that.
What am I
> going to do? I will have to rely on all of you to keep me in the BT
mood.
> (Yeah, like I need the help continuing my infatuation with the
marvelous
> movie!)
>
> Well, how's everybody else doing? Chat with ya' later.
> Donald
> --

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From: mermatt
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:52:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Snowed In!!!

Where are you? Do you need St. Bernard dogs? Loaned out the CD. NEVER do
that!!! MATT

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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 10:23:05 -0800
From: "jean.
Subject: Post Portland Depression?

No!!! Hi, list! It's Jean. I was in Portland for many many many days
and
now I'm home. It was so much fun to read all of the messages from this
and
the stories list and I have no eyelashes left (I read them all).
Powell's Books in Portland, which boasts the biggest everything on the
west coast, is bookworm heaven. If you're ever in the Northwest, you must
put it on your dance card! They're supposed to be on the web at
www.powells.com but I haven't found them yet. They have a gigantic
selection of new and used books. I found a used copy of "Babies" and a
couple new copies for cheap of "Beautiful Thing" (the play) which I wanted
to get just to give away but had already selfishly shot my wad (if you
will) over in the graphic design and gay/lesbian sections (both very
extensive). Me me me.
Anyway, it's nice to get hooked back up with y'all. Jean.
--

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:33:22 -0800
From: "jean.
Subject: Hey, Donald

(I'm lightyears behind everyone in terms of keeping up w/ messages on this
list.) Nevertheless, I read of your recent tragedy. Were you rescued as
you
hoped? Do you need any more addresses? I have about a dozen, some are on
the BT ring, and I'm sure there are more... Of course it's fun to link
around finding good sites, but it would not be very much fun to have
months
worth of "favorites" cyber-snatched away! Ouch! If I can help, let me
know.
Jean.

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From: "Chris
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:42:03 +0000
Subject: *** List Stuff ***
Hiya Gang,

Sorry for sending this to both lists but I'm not sure if everyone
on BT Stories is on the normal mailing list.
I'm going to be very busy over the next week or so, as I'm
"removing" windows95 from my machines at home and replacing it with
Linux. (*shudder*)
For the time being (until i've sorted out exactly what is supposed
to do what) I'll only be running Win95 once a day, and therefore will
only collect and send messages for the mailing list once a day (I'll
be online around 19:00 GMT). Once everything is sorted I'll be trying
to move the list to Linux.
This also means I will proably not have a great deal of time to
reply to personal mail (which even before now can takes days for me
to sit down and reply to) so appologies in advance if I don't respond
to your email in a timely fashion. I will get round to it however
and will endvour to reply ASAP. If you have any important list
related problems would you please put "*****" (without the quotes) on
the subject line of the message and I'll try to read and reply to
them faster than the others...

*Eeeeek! I'm waffling aren't I?*

Anyways - i hope you all enjoy the list in my absense and I'll
hopefully be back normal *ahem* by the end of the week.

--
Chris

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:42:43 +1100 (EST)
From: Andy
Subject: Re: OPENING NIGHT SUCCESS

Michael  wrote:
>Opening night of Beautiful Thing was an overwhelming success! The full
>house loved it to bits and already ticket are selling like crazy.

Glad to hear this Michael. Congratulations on your big opening. ...of the
play that is!

>I'll post reviews when we get them.
>

Please, please do post them. I want to know what I'm in for when I get to
see it.

21 days to go.
Andy.

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:50:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric
Subject: Re: OPENING NIGHT SUCCESS

Gee, Michael,

Congratulations.... but are you really surprised? I, for one am not!!

So when is the Touring Company coming to the US?? :-)

-Eric

At 03:42 PM 2/12/98 +1100, you wrote:
>Fellow Listers
>
>Opening night of Beautiful Thing was an overwhelming success! The full
>house loved it to bits and already ticket are selling like crazy.
>
>The cast acted superbly and not one audience member mentioned references
to
>the film.
>
>I'll post reviews when we get them.
>
>Cheers
>[a very thrilled] Michael

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From: LeSapeur
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:52:46 EST
Subject: Re: OPENING NIGHT SUCCESS

Congratulations, Michael....

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:12:06 +0000
From: Kenny
Subject: Re: OPENING NIGHT SUCCESS

Hi

I'm new to the group, so I've missed the origonsl messgae. Where is the
play showing, and how long for?

I saw the play last month in the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and
Drama. I really enjoyed it, and would love to see another production.

See ya

--
Kenny

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:13:59 -0700
From: Jon
Subject: Re: OPENING NIGHT SUCCESS

Andy wrote:
>
> Hey, I wonder what it would be like seeing Wil Wheaton play Jamie or Ste
on stage????
>

How about in the sequel movie, when Jamie and Ste are a little older,
having Wil Wheaton and Leonardo DiCaprio play the two of them. I think
the sight of those two kissing, or on bed together, would be about the
sexiest thing on the screen this century.

Jon

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:26:12 +1100 (EST)
From: Andy
Subject: Re: OPENING NIGHT SUCCESS

Jon wrote:

>Andy wrote:
>>
>> Hey, I wonder what it would be like seeing Wil Wheaton play Jamie or
Ste
>>on stage????
>>
>
>How about in the sequel movie, when Jamie and Ste are a little older,
>having Wil Wheaton and Leonardo DiCaprio play the two of them. I think
>the sight of those two kissing, or on bed together, would be about the
>sexiest thing on the screen this century.
>
>Jon

LOL. Good idea. Someone ring their agents! I'd like to see this! (g)

Andy.

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From: LeSapeur
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:29:54 EST
Subject: Good News, Part One

I finally received my own copy of Beautiful Thing from England... During
that
incredible high after seeing Beautiful Thing it never occured to me to
copy
the movie!

In any case, between getting the PAL version and converting to VHS it will
be
less than half the cost of what it would have cost off the shelf in the
US.

Part two of the good news is when I get the conversion and can watch
Beautiful
Thing whenever I want!

Ste

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From: Amicus
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:32:38 -0800
Subject: Jamie & Ste Grown Up

If you want to see what Jamie & Ste would look like all growm up watch
the video "Maurice". It stars James Wilby and Rupert Graves. It's a
great gay love story!!!!!

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From: robinson
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:14:05 EST

As much as I would love to see Wil Wheaton and Mr. DiCaprio in
anything, I would much rather see two "out" performers tackle these
roles. The film itself is about courage and acceptence. I would like to
see Hollywood take a step towards these same attributes. As we all know,
America takes its lead from Hollywood. The sooner some of our closeted
performers start coming out of the closet, the faster we will see certain
attitudes change. If the "ten percent" rule applies in Hollywood, there
has to be more than just Ellen Degeneres and Carey Elwes.

As for making a sequel to the film, I am fearful that any attempt to
continue the story of Jamie and Ste would be ill-concieved. Perfection to
so hard to attain twice. I am just happy to replay BEAUTIFUL THING over
and over again in it's original inception. By the way...thanks again
Kiki.

As for the opening of THE BEAUTIFUL THING production in Australia, I
think that is just dandy. Kudos to you all for taking on such a lofty
endeavor. Can you tell me...is the play script much different from the
movie? Who holds the rights? I am interested in trying to put together a
production here in the little hayseed village I live in. These people
need a good shaking up. I directed a Harvey Fierstein play here a few
years ago and THE BALTIMORE WALTZ here last year...and boy, they sure
seemed to confused. I am a glutton for punishment. Stiil, a few people
always cry and tell me how moved they are. I think they are worth a
production of BEAUTIFUL THING.

Well, yes I know it has been a while since I posted on the
list...but I have been busy with a production of MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
that I toured around New York State in. I am glad to be able to
particiapte once again, and would specifically like to hear from anyone
on the list who also may direct in theater. It is a tough job, but worth
it. I just think that anyone who does, needs a support group.

Well, Happy Valentine's Day to you all. As much as I have decided I
hate that holiday, I suppose there is a reasonable core meaning to it
that allows me to enjoy its sentiment.

Always,

Mark

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:27:44 -0800
From: "jean.
Subject: the play

Congratulations, Michael!!! I wish I was there to break some legs with you
and your cast!

I'm too new to this list to know if I'm seeing new names or not unless
someone introduces themselves as new. (It's all still very new to me.)

Now, the name Will Wheaton has come up a number of times lately as I've
been (s)linking about the web, the net, whatever it's called. I'm looking
forward to visiting your site, Kenny (welcome to the list). WW is very
sweet. I heard him on the radio a few times and it turns out that he's
cute
AND very witty. Will "The Wit" Wheaton I call him when I'm whispering his
name in my sleep... I could see him in a sequel of..........anything as
long as he's playing opposite James Duvall (who I mentioned in the
newsgroup and please see him in Doom Generation or Nowhere; you won't be
disappointed).

Three day weekend! Jean.

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:44:47 +0000
From: Kenny
Subject: Magazine Article

Hi Folks

Just a quick note to let you all know that there is a full page article
on Scott Neal in Attitude magazine this months. Attitude is usually
available in most newsagents in the UK, but I'm not sure about the US
and other countries.

See ya

--
Kenny

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From: "Ben
Subject: Hello again
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:06:30 +0000 (GMT)

Hi everyone,
Sorry about the email silence but I've been having one or two problems
with my email account and have now beaten it into submission!
So you can all expect my rather unusual emails and ocassional fwds.
Mark Robinson asked if the play was very different to the film. Well
the only answer I have is yes it is. In the play there are only two
locations, the balcony of the block of flats and in Jamies bedroom.
This gives a very intimate feel which the film didn't have. In the film
it felt like Jamie and Ste were constantly looking over their shoulders
but in the play there is slightly more freedom for them to relax.
Also the cast is only 5 strong, there aren't the nosy neighbours or
the school friends, Leah's mum is only referred to. It has a very
different tone. The final scene is on the balcony without everyone
watching. This gives it a private and almost erotic feel to it, sadly
the reality of Thamesmead is that no one could really be gay and so
open about it without ending up in hospital.
Hope this comes part of the way to answering a few thoughts.

Speak to you soon!!

Ben. xxxxx

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:55:27 -0500
From: Eric
Subject: Re: OPENING NIGHT SUCCESS

At 09:14 PM 2/13/98 EST, you wrote:
> Can you tell me...is the play script much different from the
>movie? Who holds the rights? I am interested in trying to put together a
>production here in the little hayseed village I live in. These people
>need a good shaking up.
>Always,
>
>Mark

Dear Mark,

The play differs from the movie in many respects (only five characters for
one thing). In the States, you can obtain a copy of the play through The
Drama Book Shop in New York city. There was still one copy at A Different
Light (gay bookstore) the last time I looked as well.

As for the rights, contact:

William Morris Agency
31/32 Soho Square
London WIV 5DG

They are Jonathan Harvey's agents and administer the performance rights to
the play.

Best,

Eric

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:59:47 -0500
From: Eric
Subject: Re: Magazine Article

At 10:44 AM 2/14/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Folks
>
>Just a quick note to let you all know that there is a full page article
>on Scott Neal in Attitude magazine this months. Attitude is usually
>available in most newsagents in the UK, but I'm not sure about the US
>and other countries.
>
>See ya
>
>
>--
>Kenny

Attitude is available in the US... but 3 months later than it comes out in
the UK (The December issue just came out here). It's the February issue
that concerns us.

I have a copy of that issue winging it's way to me as we speak, and as
soon
as I get it, I will post the article and picture(s) to my website:

Best,

Eric

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Subject: Thank you all for the info.
From: robinson
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:24:04 EST

Dear Beautiful Thing Friends:

I thank you for the insights on the play. I was in New York City
today and stopped in at THE DRAMA BOOK STORE, and behold....BEAUTIFUL
THING. It made me giddy. It also gave me something to read on a 4 and a
half hour bus ride home.
Thanks for the help.

Mark

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:53:47 -0800
From: "jean.
Subject: Here, Here Mark!!

The Hollywood-don't-ask-don't-tell-just-act (and make that kiss
convincing!) syndrome is getting old.
But here's a confession:
I saw "Love,Valour,Compassion!" at Berkeley Rep several months before the
film. At the time, I assumed that there was at least a 50/50 chance that
any or all of the performers were gay.
I saw the film a few months ago and assumed that there was a 5/95...1 in
20...er...(statistics, who needs em!)...that there wasn't much chance at
all of any of them being gay.
To this day I don't know the individual persuasions (sexual or otherwise)
of any of the performers. Never met em. What can I say, I'm a slave to
context. And assumptions, p.c. or otherwise, are assumptions. I feel so
dirty!
(I think that the actor who played the naked-apron-man character in the
Berkeley production might have been the waiter in "Jeffrey" (the film)
closing scene and it wouldn't surprise me if he was gay and is offered
supporting roles only instead of leads and he was GOOD as naked-apron-man,
not way the hell over the top and back again like J.A. - don't want to
hurt
anyone's feelings.)
Out actors in a sequel sounds good but personally, I use the concept of a
sequel simply as a device for thinking up cute couples, and wouldn't want
the elegant suspension of reality at the end of the film disturbed, ever.
Not even for my own selfish perposes!

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:25:28 +1100 (EST)
From: Andy
Subject: We're moving: The story archive has moved

Hi everyone,

This notice is to inform you that the BT-Stories Fan Fiction Archive is
moving to a new home. Please update your web site bookmarks for the
archive.

The old URL at Vision.net will still work until the end of February.

Andy
btw, the link from the bt-webring has already been updated.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:23:46 -0500
From: Eric
Subject: Re: Here, Here Mark!!

HI,

On Love! Valor! Compassion! you said:

>(I think that the actor who played the naked-apron-man character in the
>Berkeley production might have been the waiter in "Jeffrey" (the film)
>closing scene and it wouldn't surprise me if he was gay and is offered
>supporting roles only instead of leads and he was GOOD as naked-apron-man,

>not way the hell over the top and back again like J.A. - don't want to
hurt
>anyone's feelings.)

I saw the play in New York 3 times (hee hee). Two of the times with Nathan
Lane ( a gay man) in the character of Buzz (the naked apron guy, as you
say). Jason Alexander (a straight man) in the film version was SEDATE in
his playing of the role compared to Nathan! With the exception of Nathan
Lane, all of the original Broadway cast members recreated their roles for
the film. At least one of them is Gay (and Out).

>Out actors in a sequel sounds good but personally, I use the concept of a
>sequel simply as a device for thinking up cute couples, and wouldn't want
>the elegant suspension of reality at the end of the film disturbed, ever.
>Not even for my own selfish perposes!

I really agree here. A sequel, unless pure fantasy, would have to go in a
direction that we may not want to see. For instance, what will Ronnie and
Trevor do when they find out Ste is Gay???? I don't want to think of the
beating he would get.

-Eric

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Subject: Re: Here, Here Mark!!
From: robinson
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:32:49 EST

Jean:

If we are just going for the pure fun of cute couples may I
enthusiastically suggest Brad Renfro. He is actually a teenager, but one
of the best child performers in the films today (Did anyone see THE CURE
? If you haven't, you must.) He must be around sixteen or seventeen now,
and would make a very nice Ste.

Jean...what is your opinion of LOVE VALOUR COMPASSION in film form.
I am having trouble getting a copy here in little old Cortland and am
wondering if it is worth the trek to SYRACUSE to see if I can buy it.

Mark

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:39:18 -0700
From: Jon
Subject: Re: Here, Here Mark!!

jean. wrote:
>
> The Hollywood-don't-ask-don't-tell-just-act (and make that kiss
> convincing!) syndrome is getting old.
> But here's a confession:
> I saw "Love,Valour,Compassion!" at Berkeley Rep several months before
the
> film. At the time, I assumed that there was at least a 50/50 chance that
> any or all of the performers were gay.
> I saw the film a few months ago and assumed that there was a 5/95...1 in
> 20...er...(statistics, who needs em!)...that there wasn't much chance at
> all of any of them being gay.
> To this day I don't know the individual persuasions (sexual or otherwise)

> of any of the performers. Never met em. What can I say, I'm a slave to
> context. And assumptions, p.c. or otherwise, are assumptions. I feel so
> dirty!
> (I think that the actor who played the naked-apron-man character in the
> Berkeley production might have been the waiter in "Jeffrey" (the film)
> closing scene and it wouldn't surprise me if he was gay and is offered
> supporting roles only instead of leads and he was GOOD as naked-apron-man
,
> not way the hell over the top and back again like J.A. - don't want to
hurt
> anyone's feelings.)
> Out actors in a sequel sounds good but personally, I use the concept of
a
> sequel simply as a device for thinking up cute couples, and wouldn't
want
> the elegant suspension of reality at the end of the film disturbed,
ever.
> Not even for my own selfish perposes!

I know the sexual preference of only one of the actors in "Love, Valour,
Compassion!" and that is from an interview he granted. The man who
played the dancer (don't remember his hame) who liked to hang out naked
is most assuredly straight. Pity.

Jon

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From: Paul
Subject: Re: Scott Alert (Light Lunch)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:50:35 -0000

Did anyone else see Scott in all his glory on Light Lunch (ch.4) today
(Mon)?

- Paul

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From: eperkins
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:50:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Scott Alert (Light Lunch)

At 06:50 PM 2/16/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Did anyone else see Scott in all his glory on Light Lunch (ch.4) today
>(Mon)?
>
> - Paul
>

Say... what is Light Lunch?? We in the US don't get Channel 4!

-Eric

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:52:51 -0700
From: Jon
Subject: Re: Scott Alert (Light Lunch)

Paul  wrote:
>
> Did anyone else see Scott in all his glory on Light Lunch (ch.4) today
> (Mon)?
>
> - Paul

Also, did anyone happen to tape it so a picture can be posted for the
benefit of those who live outside the UK, or who just happened to miss
it?

Jon

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From: jmcs
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:32:22 +0000
Subject: Re: Scott Alert (Light Lunch)

Paul wrote:

> Did anyone else see Scott in all his glory on Light Lunch (ch.4) today
> (Mon)?
>
> - Paul

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTT????????????

Since I live in Spain, no, obviously I didn't see him.
DETAILS, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!!!! 

Take care.

Sandra. (Who's fainting now)

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From: "Ben
Subject: Ben on Light Lunch!!
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:25:28 +0000 (GMT)

> Say... what is Light Lunch?? We in the US don't get Channel 4!
I'm going on Light Lunch next wednesday evening!! I've been on before!
:-) Mel and sue are my friends!

Speak to you soon!!

Ben. xxxxx

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From: Sven
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:33:41 EST
Subject: Re: Scott Alert (Light Lunch)

Yes! Yes! If a picture is gotten off of that episode, please post.

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From: "Chris
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:10:23 +0000
Subject: Re: Scott Alert (Light Lunch)

> Did anyone else see Scott in all his glory on Light Lunch (ch.4)
> today (Mon)?
>
> - Paul
>

Yeap, just flicked over to channel 4 in time to see who they were
interviewing :-) The seemed a little shocked when they asked the
question about would you do a nude shot :-)
--
Chris

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From: "Philippe
Subject: Re: Scott Alert (Light Lunch)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:33:46 +0100

> Did anyone else see Scott in all his glory on Light Lunch (ch.4) today
> (Mon)?
>
> - Paul

Could somebody make a transcript of the interview for those who don't have
Channel 4 ?

Thanks a lot !

Phil

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From: Sven
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:04:49 EST
Subject: HEEEEELLLLLLPPPP!!!!!

Help! I can't get Andy's site loaded! Has it changed to a new address?
What

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:16:44 +1100 (EST)
From: Andy
Subject: LVC (was:Re: Here, Here Mark!!)

Hi peeps,

With several comments about 'Love, Valor, Compassion' my curiosity and
interest was spiked by some binary postings in the newsgroup
alt.binaries.sounds.movies.

The only problem is, not all binary parts arrived where I am, and I can't
download them. Can someone help me out?

the files are:
lvc-bigqueen.wav
lvc-imp.wav
lvc-skinnydipping.wav
lvc-str8ppl.wav

Andy.
(sorry it's getting off topic...)

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:35:25 -0800
From: "jean.
Subject: re: L,V,C!

Mark: The opening scene alone is worth approximately 3.9 - 4.3 miles and
it
is repeated later in the film so you must make your decision based on how
much you enjoy driving (twice) vs. viewing something quite yummy (twice).
I liked the film and rented it twice. It doesn't shred the structure of
the
play very much and there is some very nice acting in it.
Although I haven't used reel.com online for renting movies (I rent from
their "outlet" down the street from me @ $4.50 for 5 days), you might
consider it.
Eric - I have a hard time picturing someone less sensitive to ensemble
than
Jason Alexander was in the film but considering it was Nathan Lane, I can
see the possiblity! His performances are "forceful", I'll give him that...

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:48:49 -0500
From: Eric
Subject: Re: Jonathan Harvey's other half is coming tomorrow night

At 12:02 PM 2/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi there
>
>Jonathan Harvey has sent his other half to Sydney to see Beautiful Thing
>tomorrow night (Wednesday 18 Feb). The play is going wonderfully and
we've
>had several standing ovations! I'm so excited.
>
>Please send me and the cast some positive vibes between 8.00pm (GMT +
>10:00) Sydney time!!!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<^P^O^S^I^T^I^V^E^^V^I^B^E^S^>>>>>>>>>>>>

Break the proverbial!!!!!

Best,

Eric

PS: Details on JH's other half, please!

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:32:42 -0500
From: MGB
Subject: Re: Scott Alert (Light Lunch)

And this is all you are going to tell us?????? What did he
answer...details, we want details!!!!  Us poor,
lowly
americans have had no chance to see this program.
MGB!

Chris  wrote:

> > Did anyone else see Scott in all his glory on Light Lunch (ch.4)
> > today (Mon)?
> >
> > - Paul
> >
> > --
>
> Yeap, just flicked over to channel 4 in time to see who they were
> interviewing :-) The seemed a little shocked when they asked the
> question about would you do a nude shot :-)
> --
> Chris

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From: "Michael
Subject: Jonathan Harvey's other half is coming tomorrow night
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:02:17 -0400

Hi there

Jonathan Harvey has sent his other half to Sydney to see Beautiful Thing
tomorrow night (Wednesday 18 Feb). The play is going wonderfully and we've
had several standing ovations! I'm so excited.

Please send me and the cast some positive vibes between 8.00pm (GMT +
10:00) Sydney time!!!!

Cheers
MICHAEL

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From: "Chris
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:55:32 +0000
Subject: Re: Ben on Light Lunch!!

> > Say... what is Light Lunch?? We in the US don't get Channel 4!
> I'm going on Light Lunch next wednesday evening!! I've been on
> before! :-) Mel and sue are my friends!

Are you going to be outed on air this time?

Oh and when are we likely to see you beutiful mug on TV?

>
> Speak to you soon!!
>
> Ben. xxxxx
--
Chris

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Subject: Gay films
From: robinson
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:26:09 EST

Jean:

Thanks for the insights on L,V,C. It just became availible through
my video club, so I may just break down and pay the thirty bucks to buy
it. The play itself I have read three or four times and I am not quite
sure what I think. Terrence McNalley has such incredible ideas for
situations and characters, but the structure of the work never seems to
build anything. Many of his plays have this problem. His most poetic
work LIPS TOGETHER< TEETH APART is the best example of this. If you are
not familiar with this one, he targets homophobes in a house on fire
island. He sets up a great situatution and then isn't quite sure where to
take it.

Anyway, enough of my philosophy on McNalley. At least he writes
about the gay issues. I was wondering if anyone out ther can recommend
any decent gay films that I can keep an eye out for. Since I live in the
middle of nowhere, I do not have the luxerey of seeing them in the
theater but rather on home video. So far, the only enjoyable ones that I
have seen are JEFFREY, IT'S MY PARTY, MY OWN PRIVATE IDAHO, and THE
BIRDCAGE. Of course BEAUTIFUL THING...but I guess that goes without
saying.

take care...

Mark

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