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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:10:49 -0500

From: Gary

Subject: Re: Email Archive

Precedence: bulk

First of all, thanks so much to Andre for re-establishing the list!!!

You may not have realized (since I didn't tell you <G>) but today (26th)

is my birthday and finding all those BT posts was a great present. :)

Thanks to Andre, to Sandra and to Olaf Wall, my paper is now up on the

internet in English (mine), Spanish (Sandra's translation), Dutch

(Andre, of course) and German (Olaf.)

It will also be published (in English) this fall in an anthology

tentatively titled, "Proof of Things Queer."

I'll write more tomorrow, but it's late, I've had a busy day (including

university commencement, and a small party with some friends this

evening _and_ getting taken to dinner by a cute friend named Tony - ;) -

so I'm definitely a bit knackered. :) But so happy to have the list

back.

Gary

I believe Andre has all the translations on his Dutch BT page, but I've

also got them at

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:13:22 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: Scott Neal Sex Scandal

Precedence: bulk

Hi All,

I was referring to the tabloid version. See

 

For the full scoop.

Thanks Kent for showing me that!!

-Eric

/

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:39:59 -0700

From: David

Subject: $list Lo all!

Hello everyone!

David (aka Daveykins) here!

Nice to see a list back in action :) I'll actually try and say something

on it this time!

Take care,

David

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From: "Graham

Subject: $list Introduction

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:42:11 +0100

Hello to everybody on the 'btlist'

My name is Graham, and I thought I would just send in a test mail to

introduce myself to you all.

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From: "Graham

Subject: $list Hello

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:41:21 +0100

Hello Andre

I hope I am a subscriber to the 'btlist' at Majordomo.

I sent in a test post to this address which I recieved back.

So I was wondering if I was actually a member.

I have also sent in a few of the commands .e.g. WHICH, INFO, INDEX, but get

an error message saying that it cannot find the string

, so I was wondering if you could help.

Graham

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From: "Graham

Subject: $list SORRY!

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:54:49 +0100

Sorry, first, please ignore my last mail, as now I have recieved a mail from

you.

Second from your mail can I assume your name is Keith and not BTAndre.

Graham

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From: "Josh

Subject: $list Another list intro o)

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:06:53 -0400

Hiya, everyone. My name is Josh , and I just wanted everyone to

meet me, I guess. ) I'm new to the list and figure that, like

Graham I should intro myself.

I'm a nineteen-- no scratch that -- twenty-year-old git from Amherst, MA

(I just turned twenty yesterday so it's still weird to say it ;o) I

first saw BT a few weeks ago on vid which I rented from the 'gay'

section of a local store. It was beyond inspiring to me.

I myself have had a similar experience, though my experience didn't work

out quite as well. We won't go much into that because its another story

)

I am quite fond of Ste's character because he is the one that gets

Jamie, whom I'm in love with. I most associate with Jamie, however,

because in my life I am the Jamie of my story. I'm the introvert that

finds more pleasure in books than in sports, and I only go out socially

rarely. I enjoy social stuff, but it's not something I know how to do

comfortably, like Jamie.

This movie has made me very happy and struck a chord in my heart that I

will never see struck the same again.

I love that there are people out there that share this with me, and that

feel just as strongly about the movie.

I'm hoping to go to London this summer thanks to my ex-boyfriend Billy,

and thus maybe meet some of you lovely people ) I really would love

to meet Glen or Scott, but they are both rather busy and I wouldn't even

know how ;o)

hehehe

Well that's it for now...

Thanks for your time!

Josh

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From: "Graham

Subject: $list Biog

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:07:08 +0100

Hello to everyone on the 'btlist' and a thankyou to Keith for the welcome.

A bit about myself first, my name is Graham but my friends call me Gray, I

am 30 years old, and live in England. Maybe I will reveal a bit more later

when I get ot know you all better.

I first watched BT in December of 1997, on Channel 4 Television, and have

been absolutely crazy about it ever since, I have videoed it of off the TV,

and have watched it at least twice a week, since that day.

Unfourtunately, I am unemployed and cannot get to the get togethers, (which

need money), and so I have joined a couple of BT lists, this being one of

them, it`s the next best thing as being there, right?

So if any of you want to mail me please do.

P.S. to kent for giving out the information about this list.

Gray

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:16:12 -0400

From: "Keith

Subject: Re: $list Introduction

Precedence: bulk

Graham,

Hello! and Welcome to the list! It has been a little quiet lately, what with the 3 weeks

with no list, I guess BT has slipped from people's minds a little (funny that).

As a way on introduction, I can tell you a little about myself, and what BT has meant to me.

I'm 30 years old, and up until I saw BT last May, was more or less completely closeted. I

had seen a trailer for BT in the theater, but didn't get to see it till I came across the box at

my local video store. As I sat watching it, I was completely overwhelmed. I had seen a few

gay-themed movies before, but they always seemed about a different world, or people

living lives so distant from mine as to be complete strangers. But with BT it was different.

It was the first movie that focused on love - simple, honest love. While there was tension

over the "what if someone finds out" parts of BT, it wasn't the focus, and the Dance scene at

the end only proves this. It made me realize that love and happiness were really possible in

the real world for gay people. It also made me for the first time think about coming out, and

start thinking about what it could mean to be in love. Love wasn't some remote concept

that only openly gay people living in San Francisco had - it could happen in any little

corner of the world.

Since then I have come out to a few close friends (most of who still are my friends) and

I have met so many more good friends through this list. In part, this has given me the

courage to finally accept myself, and others for who they are, and to be proud of it.

(Incidently, this weekend is the Annual Gay Pride festival here in Philadelphia, and I

am certainly going to be there! I went last year, and after the initial nervousness, ended

up having a really good time)

Keith

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:17:32 -0400

From: "Keith

Subject: Re: $list Introduction

Precedence: bulk

Graham,

almost forgot - so tell us a little about yourself! Anything you want to share - where you're

from, how you saw BT, what it meant to you, etc...

Keith

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:01:58 -0500

From: Antoinette

Subject: $list Introduction

Precedence: bulk

Hello! I'm Juliet and I'm an 18 year old college freshman in New

Orleans (real home- Washington DC). I've been out since I was about 15

to everyone but my father (to be remedied this summer). I found

Beautiful Thing about a year ago and it has been one of my favorite

movies. I do own it, and watch it while I do homework, read, or while I

fall asleep. It feels very familiar to me, I suppose.

I did a lot of adult/professional theatre growing up and have always

felt at home in the gay community. When I find movies like this it just

feels wonderful to me. The woods scene and the final dance just made me

cry- I was so happy. It reminded me about what is really important in

my life.

That's about it. Feel free to ask me anything else. Otherwise, see you

on the list!

Love, Juliet

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:03:17 -0400

From: "Keith

Subject: Re: $list Hello

Graham,

Your posts are getting through!

(You get a copy back of your own post)

Keith

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:39:25 -0400

From: "Keith

Subject: Re: $list Another list intro o)

Precedence: bulk

Josh,

A big welcome to you as well! It's nice to know we're all out here somewhere (even in

cyberspace) Sorry to hear things didn't work out as well as you'd liked, but that's one of

the benefits of this list - there's always a shoulder to lean on you need one.

As I said earlier, BT has forced me to open myself up to others, and the possibility of a

relationship, but that has also opened me up to the possibility of being hurt, I guess. Before

I figured if I just keep to myself, and don't love others, I can't be hurt. While that's

partially true, it also means I can't ever be happy. So now, while I have been happier in

general lately, I have also been experiencing the pains of love as well. <sigh>

I still think books can make the best friends (present company excepted, of course) though.

They never judge, and are always there for you.

(ok, so I'm a little blue now - does it show?)

Keith

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:46:14 -0400

From: "Keith

Subject: $list replying to emails

Andre,

Is there any setting with the btlist that controls who a reply goes to? Right now, if I

"reply" tp a bt post, the reply defaults to only the sender, not the list, so I'm afraid some

may not realize this, and be replying privately instead of to the entire list. To reply

to everyone, I have to specifically add the address for the btlist.

Keith

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:06:43 -0500

From: Jan

Subject: $list Hello! - again

Precedence: bulk

 

Just wanted to add my two bits to say that I am also glad to hear from all

you 'bt'ers again!

Jan

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:57:37 +0100

From: Kenny

Subject: $list Scott Neal Interview

Precedence: bulk

Hi Folks

Here is a copy of the Scott Neal Interview that I posted to the

newsgroup while the archive was down. There have been some interesting

thoughts from the users of the newsgroup. What do you guys think?

> See ya

>From 'Eva' magazine (March 1998)

Sex shocker! Scott's gran turned grey after seeing him having sex with

another man.

Hunky Scott Neal gave his gran the shock of her life when she saw him

bonking another man.

Before landing the role of PC Luke Ashton in "The Bill," Scott starred

in a raunchy film called "Beautiful Thing" in which he simulated sex

with another man.

He was 17 at the time and was horrified when he had to sit and watch it

with his parents and his gran.

Says Scott: "They were against me taking the role and it was very

embarrassing watching it with them.

"I was cringing in anticipation of the big moment and I'll never forget

gran's face when she saw me on screen with no clothes on making love to

a man!

"Mum and dad looked a bit grim-faced but I looked across at gran and she

seemed to be in a state of shock with her mouth open.

"I started to get the giggles and couldn't stop. I was wondering

whether she'd ever recover, but afterwards she told me that I'd done

very well."

Since the movie was shown, Scott, 19, has been chatted up by dozens of

gay guys.

"A lot of blokes have tried it on with me," he says.

"They chat me up and flirt and a few have even said they love me. It

doesn't worry me. I'm straight, but it's no worse than being chatted up

by a woman that you don't fancy."

Scott says that women are often a lot scarier than gay men.

"Some of the women I meet are very upfront and confident -- they don't

mince their words. The gay guys who've hit on me have been a lot less

pushy."

Scott is single at the moment and plans to stay that way for the next 16

years!

"I don't want to get serious with anyone until I'm 35," he explains.

"I'm young and I want to play the field and sleep with lots of women.

Relationships tie you down and there are lots of things I want to do

with my life yet."

[ends]

 

--

Kenny

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From: "Warwick

Date: 29 Apr 98 23:22:41 +0100

Subject: $list Great to have you all back

Precedence: bulk

Well it is nice to have you all back and the list is functional again.

I see we have a few new faces which is great.

The big news Shock horror is that I was shopping in Oxford St (London

where else)and I found that to my horror and delight that HMV record

store had Beautifull Thing video on sale at £6.99 that is almost half

price. But it was at least £1 more than Evita so it didnt make it look

like a cheap B Movie.

Anybody want a copy we may be able to do a deal

Love Warwick

 

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:28:54 +0200

From: Andre

Subject: btlist: ADMIN configuration, changes, decisions....

Precedence: bulk

Hiya peeps!

The renewed list has been up only a day or so, I'm still changing the

configuration and ppl are posting to it already with increasing frequency.

I'm happy to tell you that the configging has finally reached the final stage,

and nothing important will change now.

I just now discovered a glitch in the subject section of the config, which has

been fixed, also the tagline has been reduced to a one-liner, since we all

know who's responsible for the darn list, so I removed the admin tagline

alltogether.

Thank you all for bearing with me, and not complaining about things changing

sometimes even by the minute...

I can assure you that there will be no need to once again reset your e-mail

filters to forward the list-messages to your list-folder (at least not after

you have done so for this message), and am happy to tell you that we now have

79 subscribers, which means an increase of about 4 each day. If we're going

to keep this up, we'll be at 100 subscribers within 5 days from now!

I have taken the liberty of disabling the 'who btlist' command completely, to

prevent ppl on the list from being found out. Only admin can see who's on the

list, to others only the posters' addresses will be revealed. 'read-only'

subscribers will remain anonymous.

I have added the 'intro' and 'info' messages on majordomo. ('intro btlist' and

'info btlist') Info will be a public command, and intro will be for list

members only, and will automagically be sent to new subscribers. If you're

curious as to what these messages say, just send the commands to

(put them on a single line in the _body_ of the message)

and the listserver will send them to ya asap.)

Well, I guess since there will not be made any major changes to the config

anymore, there will be no need for me to take up precious listspace any

longer. the only ADMIN messages you will see from now on, will be stats,

which I intend to publish only when there's something interresting to announce.

Happy list'ing!

Andre.

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From: Donald

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:13:52 EDT

Subject: btlist: Posts

Precedence: bulk

I have sent a few posts already, but have seen none of them up, is this the

correct address to send it to? If not, please write me back to let me know

which is...thanks

BT FAN!

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From: Hannes

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 08:51:59 MET

Subject: btlist: RE: $list Another list intro o)

Hi there Josh & Graham!

Josh, Happy Birthday (a few days late, but I'll let you know anyway)!

As a quick refresh, my name is Hannes  (AKA Hal), 21 years old. I'm

from Sunny South Africa, in Sandton, Johannesburg (actually, that's where I

work, but the suburb where I live is much, much more obscure)

I saw BT last year in July (or was it August?). I ended up going to see the

movie, um, quite a few times more.. Let's just say that the cinema didn't

struggle to pay the rent that month ;)

Through that I met dear Kent when I posted a distressed posting on the

BT-Newsgroup (I couldn't see any postings, so I thought I was alone :( )

That's how I ended up on this list (which is now the third move the BT-List has

made!). I ended up taking about thirteen other people to go see Beautiful Thing,

and they all loved it!

Lots of things in my life have changed because of that feeling you get when you

watch the movie (every person on this list will know the feeling, because that's

why you're here).

Hal/Hannes

Souf Africa!

-----Original Message-----

From: "Josh

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 8:30 PM

Subject: $list Another list intro o)

> Hiya, everyone. My name is

Josh , and I just wanted everyone to meet

me, I guess. o) I'm new to the list and figure that, like Graham I should

intro myself.

I'm a nineteen-- no scratch that -- twenty-year-old git from Amherst, MA (I

just turned twenty yesterday so it's still weird to say it ;o) I first saw BT

a few weeks ago on vid which I rented from the 'gay' section of a local store.

It was beyond inspiring to me.

I myself have had a similar experience, though my experience didn't work out

quite as well. We won't go much into that because its another story o)

I am quite fond of Ste's character because he is the one that gets Jamie, whom

I'm in love with. I most associate with Jamie, however, because in my life I

am the Jamie of my story. I'm the introvert that finds more pleasure in books

than in sports, and I only go out socially rarely. I enjoy social stuff, but

it's not something I know how to do comfortably, like Jamie.

This movie has made me very happy and struck a chord in my heart that I will

never see struck the same again.

I love that there are people out there that share this with me, and that feel

just as strongly about the movie.

I'm hoping to go to London this summer thanks to my ex-boyfriend Billy, and

thus maybe meet some of you lovely people o) I really would love to meet Glen

or Scott, but they are both rather busy and I wouldn't even know how ;o)

hehehe

Well that's it for now...

Thanks for your time!

Josh

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From: Hannes

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 08:54:30 MET

Subject: btlist: RE: $list Introduction

Hi Juliet!!!

Glad to have you on board!! It would be great to hear your thoughts about the

movie. What it meant to you.

Sigh!

Hannes

-----Original Message-----

From: Antoinette

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 9:18 PM

Subject: $list Introduction

Hello! I'm Juliet and I'm an 18 year old college

freshman in New

Orleans (real home- Washington DC). I've been out since I was about 15

to everyone but my father (to be remedied this summer). I found

Beautiful Thing about a year ago and it has been one of my favorite

movies. I do own it, and watch it while I do homework, read, or while I

fall asleep. It feels very familiar to me, I suppose.

I did a lot of adult/professional theatre growing up and have always

felt at home in the gay community. When I find movies like this it just

feels wonderful to me. The woods scene and the final dance just made me

cry- I was so happy. It reminded me about what is really important in

my life.

That's about it. Feel free to ask me anything else. Otherwise, see you

on the list!

Love, Juliet

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:22:00 +0100

From: Andrew

Subject: btlist: Hi everyone!

Precedence: bulk

Hi,

My name is Andrew, I'm from the North East of England and I'm 18 yrs

old. I loved BT, it's such an amazing love story, ahhhhhh!

Here's my pic so you know who your're talking to!

Bye, talk to ya later ;-)

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From: "Neil

Subject: btlist: Play it again Jonathan

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:30:10 +0100

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know if there are plans to stage Beautiful Thing again in

London? Unfortunately, I lived in Italy for the whole of it's theatrical

lifetime and missed it, and now, of course, I am living in a BT-free London!

Are many of you going to the London BT meeting in June?  Has anyone been

before?

Bye

Neil

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From: "Josh

Subject: btlist: Is it me...?

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:52:50 -0400

Okay well about that interview with Scott Neil...

Is it me, or was there no love scene in BT? No scene where they show

sex, anyway... I mean, I know PFL was close, and the fact he woke up

nude with Glen in the morning... but how would that shock his gran? And

how dare they call BT 'raunchy'! It is everything BUT raunchy!

In my opinion the writer is out of his head and needs to see the movie

before s/he writes his/her opinions on the matter.

As for Scott, he's still as cute as ever )

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From: "Josh

Subject: btlist: I've changed formats:

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:04:20 -0400

Precedence: bulk

I got a response to one of my postings just now and realized that my emailer

sends out my posts in html format, which most more modern-day mailers do,

and I see that not everyone, or possibly the list-bot itself, has the

ability to read the html format. I've set up an 'account' for the list so

that when I send letters to it they won't come up twice and show html coding

o)

Sorry about the mix-up and the trouble! Hope you have a great day and KEEP

SMILING!

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From: "Jeff

Subject: btlist: Never trust a writer, much less an editor

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:28:02 -0500

Josh, I agree. I think the writer was stretching. I mean, I don't doubt

that Scott's gran was aghast at the fact that her grandson woke up nude

against another boy's backside. Actually, it could have been his editors

stretching with the SEX SCANDAL angle. In that case, don't trust editors,

either. I'm sure it was the shock factor of having this Bill actor

admitting his "shady" past.

There are other BT articles that, on the surface, were all and good but had

problems. I think it was the XY one, on Eric's site, that was riddled with

errors. Misspelled Glen's name. Had "Make Your Own Kind of Music" as the

finale song, or something like that. Damn copy editors. Don't trust them,

either!

While I'm at it, thanks to the person who maintains the email archive. It's

great to reminisce. But I really sound like a geek in my old postings.

And Josh, I didn't mind your html mailings, but I sympathize with people who

don't have html ready email programs.

BTW, all the diehards who have survived the three email lists know me,

probably all too well, but I'm Jeff. Jeffo on IRC. I'm a week away from

turning 34. I'm a regional news editor for a "large" newspaper in the

Midwestern United States, Omaha, Neb., actually. I saw BT in March 1997 and

have been obsessed with it since, so much so that I made a pilgrimage to

Thamesmead (much as a Muslim must go to Mecca once in his or her life) last

October with several others. I live life vicariously through BT. I think

it makes up for the innocence I wish I'd had in my teen years and in my

later gay adult life.

Perhaps, if people are patient, we can all reintroduce ourselves. I

wouldn't want this email list to get the bad rep the first one did, which

had people quitting in droves because there were 40 emails a day! But what

the heck.

Jeff

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:49:47 -0400

From: "Keith

Subject: Re: btlist: Never trust a writer, much less an editor

Precedence: bulk

Jeff,

Good to hear from you again! (Weren't quite sure if you were still with us or not!)

As "the person who maintains the email archive" I'm glad to see people are enjoying it. It

is taking a lot of time to put it together, as it's mostly a manual process, and I was ready to

give up this past weekend with the list seemingly gone forever, but with the list back,

and things moving again, I will definitely keep chugging away at it. The counters are

always going up, so I guess someone is visiting it! Your thanks are appreciated!

And no, you don't sound like a geek in your old postings. I find it so nice to reminisce as I

go through the old posts, and see the various topics have come up, and people's various

opinions, etc. With few exceptions, every email to the list had something significant to

contribute to the ongoing saga that is BT and how it has affected all our lives, and our

relationships.

Keith

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:58:48 -0400 (EDT)

From: CARMEN

Subject: Re: btlist: Never trust a writer, much less an editor

Hi all!

This is Tory... back from the dead... sort of! for some reason I lost

touch with the second list sometime in October?? something like that.. and

life was just too insane to sit down and deal with it then... it still

hasn't exactly settled down, but I'm starting to have a bit more time to

spend reading my mail and to be on IRC. I do like the fact that this list

is now up and running!

As for Jeff's Comments about the first list, and ppl dropping like flies

because of TOO MANY MESSAGES!!! I think I agree... this is a wonderful

place to share what BT means to us, but most people don't have time to

spend an hour wading through e-mails everyday... luckily... if I remember

correctly... most of the problems with too many e-mails stemmed from a

couple of people who were sending 4-5 e-mails a *day* continually...If we

can just all manage to remember not to hog the conversation...and make

sure that our own contributions don't overwhelm the server, everything

should be just fine!

And for Keith, I'm one of the first list-members... and I have a bad habit

of saving all my messages....you'll have to figure out how to separate

my archives, and how to get a hold of them, but if you want them, they're

all yours!

*grin*

Tory

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:40:29 -0500

From: Gary

Subject: btlist: Re-Intro

Precedence: bulk

Now that the list is back, it's probably time for me to re-intro myself,

especially since it seems we've got some recent members.

I'm Gary , a college professor (communications and theatre) in

Jackson, Tennessee (that's about 80 miles east of Memphis, about 130

miles west of Nashville - and, no, I don't buy into metric, so you'll

have to do your own conversions. <G>)

I discovered BT in fall of 1996, then immediately sought on internet

info, ending up joining the initial list, IRC channel and so on.

As many of you know, BT ended up leading to a paper I presented last

month at the Popular Culture Association meeting in Orlando at Walt

Disney World. It's called, "A 'Beautiful Thing' on the Internet:

Building Gay Community in Cyberspace." Most all of references for the

paper are from e-mail or postings to this list or web site guest books

about the impact BT had on so many of us.

The paper will be published this fall in an anthology entitled, "Proof

of Things Queer."

You can find out more personal info about me at

but I also have a page of gay web links

by category at  and I

maintain two local web sites. One is for the Lambda Group, a sort of

"umbrella" organization for local gay and lesbian support groups. It's

at  and I also do the local PFLAG

(Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) chapter web page.

The URL for that is

The BT paper can be found (sorry if I'm posting this a lot, but I think

we've got a lot of new - and returning folks from the first list -

members.)

The editor of the forthcoming anthology, Justin Chin (whose writings can

be found, for example, in Men on Men 5) has asked me to write a

"postscript" about reaction to the paper, so I'd be happy to hear any of

your responses to it, or responses from the new folks about how BT

affected you. I can then consider adding some of these to future

revisions of the paper.

One final request: I was updating the Skippy's Queer World links page

last night and realized I need to get URLs for the several BT pages that

aren't listed there. I also have a separate section of the site for gay

guys' personal web pages. Please contact me if with any sites you think

I should add to Skippy's Queer World or the Kweer Kennel.

Oh, and if you want to know about where I work, check out

- I did the original design and some of our

students did the update.

Gary

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