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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:02:36 +0200

From: Sven

Subject: Re: btlist: Never trust a writer, much less an editor

On the note of reintroducing ourselves, here's me:

My name is Steve(or Sven, whichever's more comfortable). I first saw BT

around October 97 and immediately started having late charges. One of these

days I'm just going to break down and buy the video.

As is the case with everyone here, BT changed my whole outlook on gay love and

the possibility of its existence without sex being an ever-present part of the

relationship. Having a lesbian sister and a bisexual brother, these points

were very important for me to realize when viewing my siblings in a *family*

matter.

After seeing the movie I right away turned to the friendly neighborhood of the

world to find more info on my two favorite leading men. Rather disappointing

to find out they were straight(they were such a perfect couple! *sob*). On

that note, has anyone noticed that about 80 percent of gay roles are played by

straight actors/actresses? Granted that it's a dangerous world for even stars

to proclaim their sexuality, but it just seems... wrong to me. Maybe it's

just me?

Anyway, welcome to all the new members. I'm what's known as a "lurker." I

don't post very often, but thoroughly enjoy reading all the conversations.

Stay Beautiful,

Steve

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From: "Ben

Subject: btlist: Re: $list Introduction

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:22:15 +0100 (BST)

Hello again,

Here's an old friend. :-)

I haven't got time for a big post but will make time soon!

Good to see new faces and remeet the old. :-)

Ben. xxx

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From: jmcs

Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:16:04 +0000

Subject: btlist: Re: $list Introduction

Hello everybody!!

First of all, I want to welcome Josh, Juliet and Andrew to the new list

and I want to thank Andre for putting us all together again. BT is

indestructible!! It has survived three lists!! Also, a very warm welcome

back to Tory!! We missed ya, old friend!! And it's so comforting to know

there are so many new people joining the list. BT's spell is everywhere!

I'm sorry for writing such a short post, but we're having some changes in

our flat. We're changing some pieces of furniture and the place is still

a mess! I hope this weekend everything will be alright again and I'll be

able to dedicate more time to answer the reawakened list. (I know some

people complained about the excessive number of posts, but I can only

revel in it. MORE!!!! I'll never have enough of it!)

Take care.

 

Sandra.

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:45:12 -0500

From: "jean.

Subject: btlist: BT-LIST: the sequel

to the sequel to the sequel reminds me of the bad guy in Terminator

1/2/3/4/? who kept shattering/melting/squishing into a million pieces and

reconstructing himself for the greater cause...o.k., it's a stretch and a

departure from that other movie...bt, was it?

Andre, thanks ever so much for re-enlisting us and if I ever learn to type

w/o looking, I'll try chatting with y'all again on IRC! (JLH)

It's Jean from Berkeley who's still madly in love with the entire world

because of this film and who wasn't on the list for long before it spiralled

into a temporary lapse of consciousness...

Nice to hear familiar and soon to be familiar voices again (that includes

all of you contemplative folks who seem to like to refer to yourselves as

"lurkers". As far as I'm concerned, you're there and I'm glad you are.)

re: "that" article: I say whatever, take it for what it is. As far as I'm

concerned, the photo was so *fetching* that I'm not sure I bothered to

really read much of the article anyway.

p.s. to Chris, the list administrator extraordinaire, I hope you're out

there or in here somewhere so I can tell you that we miss you and your

rapier wit and hope your crash isn't terminal!

'night, list. J.

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From: "Kent ."

Subject: btlist: Re: btlist Introduction

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:01:25 PDT

Well, and didn't *I* just take a badly-timed moment to try "a day away

from my 'Net addiction"-- so many mails on both lists popped up and in--

wow!

Welcome to Josh, Andrew, Juliet, Graham; welcome back Tory!

I'll do the Intro bit, for the courtesy of our new emailmates. My name

is Kent Roberts, I am 44. My lover of the past 10+ years, Joe, and I,

live in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn (where they made "Saturday Night Fever").

We saw BT on video in June of '97 (I was enraptured, euphoric, really

transported by the tingling joy it gave me)-- and since then, my life

has been improved, but not primarily by the movie *per se*. Rather, it

is because of the friends I have met and made, from the BT Newsgroup

last Summer (first and foremost Hannes, then our Tasmanian Devil, Andy

S., and "Lady of Spain" Sandra-- who generously gave me hundreds of

emails to read when there was no Archive of anything, neither the one

Keith is creating, nor the Archive of Newsgroup posts now available at

Dejanews), from Chris' mailing list, from the IRC Channel to the

"bt-stories" list-- well, such a *wonderful* group of people, so nice,

so warm, so thoughtful, so funny! I am on the list(s) because I enjoy

getting all these "friendly" letters, sharing our love of all things

"BT" and not coincidentally, things of meaning in our lives-- (gay and

straight)-- and I'm with Sandra (always! :)) : the more the merrier!

Joe and I plan to be going (eagerly! "at last"-ly!) to meet the other

fans gathered in London in June, virtual friendships made that much more

real.

Kent

Always glad to be part of this list, whatever its name!

P.S. Thanks so much, Andre, for starting it up this time!

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:17:12 +1000

From: Andy

Subject: btlist: Reintroduction

Hi listers,

My name is Andy, and live in Australia. I've was a big fan of Beautiful

Thing about 10 months before I actually saw it. (hard to believe i know!)

The film has given me a more positive outlook on life. I now feel confident

with my sexuality and reassured that life and those around me are not

really out to ridicule me.

You can find out more about me and what I like to do at my web page.

(see my sig file below)

 

Sven wrote: (hey what a nice name:)),

>One of these days I'm just going to break down and buy the video.

I finally bought my own copy of the video recently. I was on holiday in

Sydney and walked into the Bookshop in Darlinghurst, and while it wasn't on

display, I knew they had copies under the counter (BT is not for sale in

Australia). So, being thrilled as I was, I parted with $60 (it wasn't

cheap). That evening, in the same street I found out that a CD Shop sold BT

for half the price. Oh well, at least I found a copy after searching for

months.

Sven continues:

>After seeing the movie I right away turned to the friendly neighborhood of the

>world to find more info on my two favorite leading men. Rather disappointing

>to find out they were straight(they were such a perfect couple! *sob*). On

>that note, has anyone noticed that about 80 percent of gay roles are played by

>straight actors/actresses?

While I was in Sydney, I had the opportunity to see Michael Darragh's

production of Beautiful Thing. The actor who played Ste was gay, but the

yummy actor playing Jamie was straight. Which got me thinking, just how

hard would it have been for a str8 guy to kiss a gay guy...with an audience

looking on?

Take care,

Andy.

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:39:40 +1000

From: Andy

Subject: btlist: Stories Archive award nomination

Hi BT listers,

I'm pleased to announce that the Beautiful Thing Fan Fiction Archive has

been nominated for a "Totally Cool Queer Site" award.

Please go to http://www.rainbowzone.com/Awards/Info/community.shtml#entertain

and vote for BT-Stories Fan Fiction Archive. Votes will be accepted until

the end of July.

 

Thanks & take care all you beautiful things!

Andy.

--

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From: "Neil

Subject: RE: btlist: Harvey, Pet Shop Boys

Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:21:45 +0100

That's right. Jonathan has been writing a musical with PSB which has

recently been finished. I don't know anymore info than this, but a couple

of my friends are old acquaintances of Jonathan's and so I'll try to get

more information for you.

Neil.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: On Behalf Of

Jan

Sent: 30 April 1998 21:06

Subject: btlist: Harvey, Pet Shop Boys

 

 

Not strictly BT related, but has anyone heard any news about a project

involving Jonathan and the Pet Shops Boys? I believe that the project was

a musical. If I remember correctly, talk was that it would be gay related

and revolve around life at a disco (or something like that). I'd also be

interesed in know about any work that Jonathan has produced since BT.

This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list (btlist)

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:23:51 -0500

From: Jan

Subject: btlist: Harvey, Pet Shop Boys

 

Neil,

Thanks so much for any info you can supply, can't wait to see Jonathan's

latest - and the pairing with Pet Shop Boys is a natural, they have been

putting out great pop tunes for years.

Jan

 

At 09:21 AM 5/1/98 +0100, you wrote:

>That's right. Jonathan has been writing a musical with PSB which has

>recently been finished. I don't know anymore info than this, but a couple

>of my friends are old acquaintances of Jonathan's and so I'll try to get

>more information for you.

>

>Neil.

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 18:28:55 -0400

From: MGB

Subject: ]

And the crowd goes wild!!!!!! Tory! Tory! Tory! Tory!!!!

] Missed ya!!!

Michael aka chichi

CARMEN  wrote:

> Hi all!

> This is Tory... back from the dead... sort of! for some reason I lost

> touch with the second list sometime in October?? something like that.. and

> life was just too insane to sit down and deal with it then... it still

> hasn't exactly settled down, but I'm starting to have a bit more time to

> spend reading my mail and to be on IRC. I do like the fact that this list

> is now up and running!

> As for Jeff's Comments about the first list, and ppl dropping like flies

> because of TOO MANY MESSAGES!!! I think I agree... this is a wonderful

> place to share what BT means to us, but most people don't have time to

> spend an hour wading through e-mails everyday... luckily... if I remember

> correctly... most of the problems with too many e-mails stemmed from a

> couple of people who were sending 4-5 e-mails a *day* continually...If we

> can just all manage to remember not to hog the conversation...and make

> sure that our own contributions don't overwhelm the server, everything

> should be just fine!

>

> And for Keith, I'm one of the first list-members... and I have a bad habit

> of saving all my messages....you'll have to figure out how to separate

> my archives, and how to get a hold of them, but if you want them, they're

> all yours!

> *grin*

>

> Tory

>

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:10:21 +0200

From: Andre

Subject: btlist: Re: $list Hello

Hiya Graham,

> Hello Andre

> I hope I am a subscriber to the 'btlist' at Majordomo.

> I sent in a test post to this address which I recieved back.

> So I was wondering if I was actually a member.

Yup, you definitely are, you cannot submit mails otherwise...

> I have also sent in a few of the commands .e.g. WHICH, INFO, INDEX, but

> get an error message saying that it cannot find the string

> grahamsheldon@lineone.net, so I was wondering if you could help.

As of the 30th of April who and index are not functional anymore..

I removed them to protect the privacy of the list-members...

> Graham

Andre

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:11:23 +0200

From: Andre

Subject: btlist: Re: $list SORRY!

Hi Graham!

> Sorry, first, please ignore my last mail, as now I have recieved a mail

> from you.

> Second from your mail can I assume your name is Keith and not BTAndre.

Incorrect assumption, my name is still Andre... <g>

> Graham

Andre

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 11:16:21 +0100

From: Terry

Subject: Re: btlist: Play it again Jonathan

Precedence: bulk

In article , Neil

writes

>Does anyone know if there are plans to stage Beautiful Thing again in

>London? Unfortunately, I lived in Italy for the whole of it's theatrical

>lifetime and missed it, and now, of course, I am living in a BT-free London!

>

>Are many of you going to the London BT meeting in June? (See

>) Has anyone been

>before?

I'll definately be going along on the Saturday. I have to work on the

Sunday, although I'll try and get the day off.

Regards,

Tez.

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 11:51:43 +0100

From: Terry

Subject: btlist: Thanks to Andre, Sandra and Kent

In article , Andre  writes

>Hiya peeps!

>

>Thanx to Kent and Sandra, who on-line were discussing the future of the mailing

>list, I learned about the problems of the older list.

>We then decided, on-line, that it would be an wise decision to transfer the

>list

>to someplace else, since Chris obviously lacks the time right now to solve

>these

>problems. I would like to thank Chris for his efforts, and hope that he will

>remain ADMIN for the list even though it has been transferred to another

>system.

I just would like to publicly say "Thanks ever so much" for transfering

the BT mail list to the new site.

Regards,

Tez.

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From: "Jim

Subject: btlist: new to this!

Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:10:52 -0400

I am new to this contact list, thanks to Andre and relatively new to BT.

Somehow, I missed catching beautiful thing when it first came out.

Luckily, I heard about it from a good long distance friend, Brandon,

who had posted information about the movie on his webpage. I have since

rented it many times and "see" new things each time I watch it--"funny

eh!" Brandon's web site is personal, very positive and leaves you with

a good feeling, a definite "must see" when you are surfing.

 

It would be great to hear about a sequel to beautiful thing in the

works, but it would be even better if more movies spawned from the BT

concept --"the common man" were made to depict the positive side of

things. Besides the stereotypical hollywood/media generated releases.

Well thats all for now. Best wishes to all of you.....be puka!

Jim

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 22:00:07 +1000

From: Andy

Subject: btlist: Fan Fiction Archive updated.

Beautiful BT fans,

The BT-Stories Fan Faction Archive has just been updated with three new

offerings.

* Sandra has written a very clever story called The Time of Truth. It's so

good you'll want to read it twice!

* Kent continues to deliver his steamy stories. Wet part 4 is now online

with part 5 already in the wings.

* Jean has finally presented her much awaited Gravesend story where we get

to meet Ste's aunt. This is only the first five parts, and I'm told there

are many more moving chapters to come.

Thanks to those who have already voted for BT-Stories at the Totally Cool

Queer Site Awards. If you haven't voted yet, you have until the end of

July. Go to:

http://www.rainbowzone.com/Awards/Info/community.shtml#entertain

You'll find BT-Stories listed under Entertainment in the Community section.

Due to continueing interest in the controversial artical on Scott Neal,

titled "Sex Shocker", I've decided to keep it online for another week or

two. For those who haven't seen it (there can't be that many left), it's a

152k colour JPEG image, and features an extremely handsome photo of Scott.

As for the article itself...it's mostly crap!

Site visitors: 865

Guestbook entries: 11

Stories on file: 21 (multi part stories now count as one)

BT-Stories has been registered with these search engines:

Excite Goto.com Infoseek InfoSpace LinkMonster NerdWorld Netseek

NorthernLight OpenText Pronet ResourceOne The YellowPages

TradeWaveGalaxy Web411 WebCrawler WhoWhere?

Andy

Archive Admin.

ps. my bf thought that bt-stories was short for BeaT-off stories! The wierd

thing is...he's partly right! ;)

--

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 22:33:59 +1000

From: Andy

Subject: btlist: BT on stage

Precedence: bulk

Hi all,

After a leisurely stroll around the net tonight I found a few interesting

BT sites, this one in particular...

For those in Chicago, they can see Beautiful Thing on stage, presented by

the Famouse Door Theatre

http://xochi.tezcat.com/~fdoor/History/H97_98.html

I saw Beautiful Thing when it was on in Sydney and I highly recommend

seeing a stage version to anyone. After all, that's where BT started

out...on stage.

Andy.

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From: "Jim

Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 13:24:45 -0400

Hello All !

 

I am new to this contact list, thanks to Andre and relatively new to BT.

Somehow, I missed catching beautiful thing when it first came out.

Luckily, I heard about it from a good long distance friend, Brandon,

who had posted information about the movie on his webpage. I have since

rented it many times and "see" new things each time I watch it--"funny

eh!" Brandon's web site is personal, very positive and leaves you with

a good feeling, a definite "must see" when you are surfing.

 

It would be great to hear about a sequel to beautiful thing in the

works, but it would be even better if more movies spawned from the BT

concept --"the common man" were made to depict the positive side of

things. Besides the stereotypical hollywood/media generated releases.

Well thats all for now. Best wishes to all of you.....be puka!

Jim

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:52:19 +0200

From: David

Subject: btlist: Maurice

Precedence: bulk

A great movie on the order of BT is "Maurice" based on the book of the

same name by

E.M.Forster. It stars Hugh Grant, James Wilby and RUPERT GRAVES. It's a

period piece; pre-WW I England. It's a Merchant-Ivory film.

The best love scene bar none (whether gay or straight) in any film is

that between Wilby and Graves. The latter is literally swept off his

feet!

----------------------------------------------------------

I am 44. What BT did for you younger guys "Maurice" did for me. I can

not recommend this movie high enough!

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 16:29:08 -0400

From: Ron

Subject: btlist: Re: Maurice

Precedence: bulk

Thanks David for bringing the movie "Maurice" to everyone's attention. I

am even older than you are, but I have to say that I found this movie to

make quite a statement. The times in which it was set, were even more

oppressive and rigid regarding homosexuality and yet are as current

today as then. The fact that the Hugh Grant character has a nervous

breakdown because of his sexuality and the consequences it may bring to

his life; the subsequent subjugation of his true feelings, and the

revulsion attending the discovery of Lord Risley's arrest for groping a

man in public, are evidence that although things change, the more they

remain the same. The passion portrayed by James Wilby and Rupert Graves,

is as valid as the love felt between Jamie and Ste. I also heartily

recommend this movie to anyone who has not seen it.

Ron

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:11:40 -0400

From: Dick

Subject: btlist: RE: Maurice

Precedence: bulk

I agree wholeheartedly with all that david and ron say about "Maurice"

It's a wonderful film which I have seen many many times. the

performances by Hugh Grant, James Wilby and Ruppert Graves were top

notch. I certainly recommend the film to any who have not seen it. I'm

sure you will enjoy it as much as you enjoyed "Beautiful Thing"

Cheers, Dick

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From: Donald

Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:40:02 EDT

Subject: Re: btlist: BT on stage

WHAT?! BT on stage here in the states? No way! I live not that far from

Chicago, please send me more information.

Thanks!!

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 19:10:48 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: Re: btlist: BT on stage

At 05:40 PM 5/3/98 -0400, you wrote:

>WHAT?! BT on stage here in the states? No way! I live not that far from

>Chicago, please send me more information.

>

>Thanks!!

>

>This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list (btlist)

>From their Web Page

Famous Door Theatre Company

Chicago, IL

Box Office: (773) 327-5252

Previews begin Friday, May 15th, opening night Thursday May 21st.

Say... maybe a bunch of us could all go.... It could be like the first

American BT Shindig! Rabid fans descend on Chicago!

Best.

Eric

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From: "Jim

Subject: Re: btlist: BT on stage

Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:14:18 -0400

Please re-post info on the BT play production in Chicago. Thanks....be puka!

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From: "Jim

Subject: btlist: re-post not in html

Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:25:16 -0400

Hello All !

I am new to this contact list, thanks to Andre and relatively new to BT.

Somehow, I missed catching beautiful thing when it first came out. Luckily,

I heard about it from a good long distance friend, Brandon, who had posted

information about the movie on his webpage. I have since rented it many

times and "see" new things each time I watch it--"funny eh!" Brandon's web

site is personal, very positive and leaves you with a good feeling, a

definite "must see" when you are surfing.

It would be great to hear about a sequel to beautiful thing in the works,

but it would be even better if more movies spawned from the BT

concept --"the common man" were made to depict the positive side of things.

Besides the stereotypical hollywood/media generated releases. Well thats all

for now. Best wishes to all of you.....be puka!

Jim

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From: Donald

Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:16:52 EDT

Subject: Re: btlist: BT on stage

Count me in, I will for sure be there at least once if not more than that!

So, for all you Americans who are like me and absolutely DYING to see this

masterpiece performed live, please contact me so we can maybe go together. My

personal email is:

Donald

I am serious about this, please join me.

Thanks,

Donald

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From: "Michael

Subject: btlist: Gay Films

Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:28:17 +1000

Hi Listers

The recent discussions regarding gay-themed films is quite interesting. I am

currently working on a film script about a 17 year old boy growing up in

provincial Queensland (think Muriel's hometown in Muriel's Wedding). The

setting is a redneck, surfie town where homosexuality is very foreign. "It

only happens in Sydney" is a common thought held by these misguided fools.

So far it is a fairly brutal and confronting film with just the right amount

of humour. The film's central character is forced to come out alone (there's

no Ste in this picture) and the principal relationships are with his best

female and best male friend.

Also, look out for a fantastic new film from Australia called "Head On"

which has been selected for Cannes. Based on the excellent novel "Loaded" by

my pal Christos Tsiolakas it is about a Greek Australian gay teenager in

Melbourne. This film will shock a lot of people but is nevertheless an

utterly fantastic look at gay youth.

Cheers

MICHAEL

 

BT Australia Central

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From: "Michael

Subject: btlist: new Australian "Sandra"

Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:38:59 +1000

This message is for Andy

Who do you think would make the best "Sandra"?:

Denise Roberts (GP)

Tracy Mann (Prisoner/Cell Block H, Skirts, Sweet n Sour)

Colette Mann (Prisoner/Cell Block H)

Anne Tenney (A Country Practise, The Castle)

Kate Raison (E Street, Pacific Drive)

Fiona, who played her in the original production, is no longer available

so we're attracting a "name" actress. Casting for Sandra, Ste and Tony

will be this Saturday - I can't wait. And FYI, Beautiful Thing will be

at Melbourne's Universal Theatre in November - which is a bit closer for

you and your friends.

Cheers

MICHAEL

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 21:40:35 -0500

From: Gary

Subject: Re: btlist: BT on stage

Eric wrote:

>

> At 05:40 PM 5/3/98 -0400, you wrote:

> >WHAT?! BT on stage here in the states? No way! I live not that far from

> >Chicago, please send me more information.

> >

> >Thanks!!

> >

If it's going to run for a couple of weeks, this could be something I

might be able to finesse. I hadn't budgeted for any vacation time during

my one week break between May term and summer term (May 24-31) but I

could likely convince myself to make an exception <G> and book Amtrak

round trip from here to Chicago, especially if there'd be someone

willing to split costs of accomodations in Chicago.

Gary

--

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From: Tea1

Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:18:41 EDT

Subject: Re: btlist: Re: Maurice

Precedence: bulk

Hey all,

Saw the comments on "Maurice" as a referrant to BT. I will agree with what was

said. The relationship between Maurice and Alex (Wilby & Graves) is very

positive within its very constrained atmosphere. Yet, for me, it had the same

effect as BT has for many including myself. I love both these films, for they

speak of the valid and beautiful love between men. There's not enough of that

around, sadly enough.

I also take this opportunity to greet all the BT listers!!!!! Great group of

people.

-Bert

 

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From: Donald

Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:24:29 EDT

Subject: Re: btlist: BT on stage

Actually Gary, I was the one who asked if people would be interested in going

to Chicago to see BT. I can not wait until it starts and I get to see it! Most

likely, I will have to go pretty close to as soon as it opens as I am a

counselor at numerous camps and need to get prepared for them and train my

staff as well. However, since I live within driving distance from Chicago, I

may be able to also catch up with you guys if you decide to go at a later

date. (And see it twice! LOL)

Anyway, I will be calling the Company tomorrow to see if they can work us some

kind of deal, I mean we are the reason it is so big! Actually, I think it is

the realness of the movie that makes it so big--we are only a part in it.

So, if you all would suggest some dates to me, as soon as I get play dates to

you, we'll see what we can do...

Thanks guys, chat later,

Donald

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 22:37:09 -0500

From: Gary

Subject: Re: btlist: Re: Maurice

Precedence: bulk

Tea1 wrote:

>

> Hey all,

>

> Saw the comments on "Maurice" as a referrant to BT. I will agree with what was

> said. The relationship between Maurice and Alex (Wilby & Graves) is very

> positive within its very constrained atmosphere. Yet, for me, it had the same

> effect as BT has for many including myself. I love both these films, for they

> speak of the valid and beautiful love between men. There's not enough of that

> around, sadly enough.

"Maurice" was also good for having a positive ending (the relationship

between Wilby and Graves' characters) after portraying the frustrating

relationship between Maurice and Hugh Grant's character. It's no wonder

that E. M. Forster wanted the book published only _after_ his death. In

his time there was no place for "happy endings" to gay stories.

Gary

--

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 22:45:32 -0500

From: Gary

Subject: Re: btlist: BT on stage

Donald wrote:

>

>

> Anyway, I will be calling the Company tomorrow to see if they can work us some

> kind of deal, I mean we are the reason it is so big! Actually, I think it is

> the realness of the movie that makes it so big--we are only a part in it.

>

> So, if you all would suggest some dates to me, as soon as I get play dates to

> you, we'll see what we can do...

> Thanks guys, chat later,

> Donald

My only possible time would be during that last week in May. I'm off

from school Monday, May 25 until the following Sunday. Then on June 1

it's time for summer session. May term and summer teaching are extra

money so I can't miss them since, among other things, they would help

pay for a trip like this. That week I'm free would also be the first

full-week run of the play after its previews.

It's too much of a killer drive from here to Chicago, but Amtrak leaves

just after midnight from nearby Newbern, TN and gets into Chicago about

9 a.m. Since it departs for back home at 8 p.m., I'd have to spend the

night in Chi-town, which wouldn't be bad since I could use the next day

to take my Bloomingdale's and Neiman-Marcus credits cards on a visit to

their respective homes. <G>

Gary

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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:38:00 +0200

From: Meinolf

Subject: btlist: 16 going on 17

Hy Folks,

it's good to be back to you. :-)

In the very moment I copy "The Sound Of Music".

And what a surprise I hear the song.

Maybe y all know it's in this musical. But I didn't. And realy it was a

surprise for me.

It was a real warm felling inside, seeing one film and remembering the

other.

I feel goooooooooooood

take care

Meinolf

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:08:19 +1000

From: Andy

Subject: Re: btlist: new Australian "Sandra"

Precedence: bulk

Michael, it's about time you poked your head back into the world of BT

fans. I was so thrilled to see your posts appear. Lots of people have been

asking about you. You seem to have another new addy ...now wonder we

couldn't trace you.

 

> Who do you think would make the best "Sandra"?: Denise Roberts (GP)

>Tracy >Mann (Prisoner/Cell Block H, Skirts, Sweet n Sour) Colette Mann

>(Prisoner/Cell >Block H) Anne Tenney (A Country Practise, The Castle)

>Kate Raison (E Street, >Pacific Drive)

It's a shame I'm not 'up' on my knowledge of Australian actresses. I

remember Tracy Mann in Sweet n Sour, but I can't remember who Anne Tenney

played in ACP. Is Colette Mann the one that has a guest appearance on Good

Morning Australia each week? I don't know Denise Roberts (if GP is a ch9

show, I never watch it...it's the opposition station to the one I work

for!) and I've never seen E Street or Pacific Drive so I can't give you an

opinion of Kate Raison either. I guess I just don't watch enough Aussie tv

shows. :(

> Fiona, who played her in the original production, is no longer available

>so >we're attracting a "name" actress. Casting for Sandra, Ste and Tony

>will be >this Saturday - I can't wait.

Aaawww! :(

Damn shame Fiona couldn't stay on, she's a very professional actress. I

thought she was by far the best on stage when I saw it. Good to see Simon

is staying on (i'm miffed as to why a str8 guy wants to come back for

seconds!! ;).

 

>And FYI, Beautiful Thing will be at Melbourne's Universal Theatre in

>November >- which is a bit closer for you and your friends.

Wow! Best news I've had in a long while, and November is a good time. I

usually spent a weekend in Melbourne around that time for a 'end of year'

treat (and to do some early xmas shopping).

Are you still doing "Birdy"? Does Simon play Birdy? And if so does he do

the 'naked' thing like in the film?

Mmmmm. I can only imagine. Where are the pictures? ;)

Andy.

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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:04:38 -0500

From: Jan

Subject: Re: btlist: BT on stage

 

BT Guys/Gals,

I too would be interested in seeing the play and perhaps having dinner with

you all. I live in Milwaukee, 90 miles away from Chicago, and could drive

down just about any time you all suggest. However, as luck would have it,

I will be in New York City from 5/29 through 6/1, sooooo I (and my lover, a

BT fan, but not a fan-atic like myself) could do it on Memorial Day Weekend

(5/23-25) or tuesday (5/26) or wednesday (5/27).

Sorry to clutter up the e-waves with this, but I wanted all others to know

that there were another couple of interested American BT-ers wanting to

meet everyone else for the play. Thanks to Donald for offering to be the

arranger.

Jan

 

At 10:45 PM 5/3/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Donald wrote:

>>

>>

>> Anyway, I will be calling the Company tomorrow to see if they can work

us some

>> kind of deal, I mean we are the reason it is so big! Actually, I think

it is

>> the realness of the movie that makes it so big--we are only a part in it.

>>

>> So, if you all would suggest some dates to me, as soon as I get play

dates to

>> you, we'll see what we can do...

>> Thanks guys, chat later,

>> Donald

>

>My only possible time would be during that last week in May. I'm off

>from school Monday, May 25 until the following Sunday. Then on June 1

>it's time for summer session. May term and summer teaching are extra

>money so I can't miss them since, among other things, they would help

>pay for a trip like this. That week I'm free would also be the first

>full-week run of the play after its previews.

>

>It's too much of a killer drive from here to Chicago, but Amtrak leaves

>just after midnight from nearby Newbern, TN and gets into Chicago about

>9 a.m. Since it departs for back home at 8 p.m., I'd have to spend the

>night in Chi-town, which wouldn't be bad since I could use the next day

>to take my Bloomingdale's and Neiman-Marcus credits cards on a visit to

>their respective homes. <G>

>

>Gary

>

>--

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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:59:36 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: btlist: Ben Daniels

Hiya,

For you Ben Daniels (Tony) fans, there are two films being released in the

US this summer that he is in:

Passion In The Desert (June 12th)

Madeline (July 10th)

I have no info on Scott Neal's "Wonderland" yet.

-Eric

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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:05:45 -0400

From: Eric

Subject: Re: btlist: Ben Daniels

Oh, another one for Ben, "I Want You" is due in September. Isn't Tameka in

that one too?

-Eric

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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:32:03 +1000

From: Andy

Subject: btlist: BT-Stories wins an award

Yep, I'm afraid I can't help myself. I just have to blow the trumpet on

this one!!!

BT-Stories today received notification that it has won a Rainbow Award for

the month of May. Thanks to all those who have visited us. In addition to

the award we've been listed in the Teens section of www.gayamerica.com.

Don't forget you can still vote for BT-Stories in the Totally Cool Queer

Site Awards. The link is on our main page.

Andy :)

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From: "Michael

Subject: Re: btlist: new Australian "Sandra"

Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:49:15 +1000

Precedence: bulk

Andy

Yes, Simon plays Birdy aged 16 years and has a scene involving full frontal

nudity if it matters. It plays in January at Studio Theatre, Newtown. I'm

directing it as well.

Why is Simon playing a "gay" role? Because he gets paid a shit load of money

for it and gets national exposure as an actor in a very good professional

show. He is indeed a sensible boy with a lot of potential.

He will also be cast in The Jungle which I'm directing for the UK in May

1999. Then he can go and do whatever he likes. But I really do enjoy working

with him. He's a very talented and intuitive actor.

Cheers

MICHAEL

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From: "Neil

Subject: btlist: Jonathan Harvey

Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:38:23 +0100

I don't know if I'm be really obvious by saying this, but did you know

Jonathan Harvey appears in the film version of BT? He plays Petra (guy with

the broken leg and Liverpudlian accent) in The Gloucester scene.

I work for The First National Bank of Chicago in their London office and may

be visiting Chicago sometime this month/early June on business. It would be

fabulous to meet up with the crowd going to see BT on the stage - would

somebody keep me informed? Thanks.

Neil

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From: Donald

Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:07:10 EDT

Subject: Re: btlist: Jonathan Harvey

Neil,

I will most certainly keep you informed. Right now I have a call into the box

office who is supposed to be getting back with me ASAP about doing a BT Fan-

club deal. I am also going to try to arrange something along the lines of us

getting to meet the cast and crew--a back-stage pass if you will. They were

not totally closed to this idea so keep your fingers croosed and let's all

hope for the best!

Will keep you informed...

BT-Fan and a half!

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From: "Michael

Subject: Re: btlist: Jonathan Harvey

Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:32:06 +1000

Dear Neil

And the guy sitting next to Jonathan, closest to the stage, is Richard

Foord, JH's boyf of many, many years.

The irony of Jonathan's cameo character is it could not be more far removed

than what he is really like.

Cheers

MICHAEL

Director - Beautiful Thing (Australia)

-----Original Message-----

From: Neil

Date: Wednesday, 6 May 1998 1:39

Subject: btlist: Jonathan Harvey

 

>I don't know if I'm be really obvious by saying this, but did you know

>Jonathan Harvey appears in the film version of BT? He plays Petra (guy

with

>the broken leg and Liverpudlian accent) in The Gloucester scene.

>

>I work for The First National Bank of Chicago in their London office and

may

>be visiting Chicago sometime this month/early June on business. It would

be

>fabulous to meet up with the crowd going to see BT on the stage - would

>somebody keep me informed? Thanks.

>

>Neil

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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 19:36:03 -0500

From: Gary <joehardy@hardyboy.com>

Subject: Re: btlist: Jonathan Harvey

Donald wrote:

>

> Neil,

> I will most certainly keep you informed. Right now I have a call into the box

> office who is supposed to be getting back with me ASAP about doing a BT Fan-

> club deal. I am also going to try to arrange something along the lines of us

> getting to meet the cast and crew--a back-stage pass if you will. They were

> not totally closed to this idea so keep your fingers croosed and let's all

> hope for the best!

>

> Will keep you informed...

> BT-Fan and a half!

I can only hope we can make this happen anytime during that last week of

May. It's my only time to get away and it would also be early in the run

of the play, so things would still be quite fresh for the cast.

Thanks, Donald, for all your inquiries and work.

Gary

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From: ep

Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 11:21:17 -0400

Subject: btlist: BT Video at popular prices!!!!!

Precedence: bulk

Hi All,

I was just surfing around and found a website that says that Beautiful

Thing will be available on video in the US for $19.95 (yeah!!!) starting

June 23rd.

Their website: http://metrovideoonline.com/coming_soon.html

They are taking pre-orders.

Best,

Eric

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