From: "Jeff
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:13:50 -0500

>In fact, Sandra is 61.81 INCHES tall, or very nearly 5'2" (2.54 centimeters
> one inch... something I remember from the dark ages of High School. Glad
>to think it came in handy... eventually!)
>
Hee hee. I'd make fun of Eric's age, but... he's not far ahead of me.
Funny, I remember how all Americans were supposed to learn the metric system
in time for the Bicentennial. I think it was our own way of celebrating
independence and never learning the darn system!
Jeff

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From: jmcs
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:44:55 +0000
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

Hi everybody!

1. Name: Sandra
2. Age: 25
3. Birthday: 13th July, 1972
4. Where do you live: Madrid (Spain)
5. Favorite movie: *BEAUTIFUL THING!!!!*, The Hanging Tree, The Sound of
Music, Ball of Fire, Mr. Deeds Goes to Town... (and a few millions more)
6. Favorite TV show: Star Trek (Classic series); The X-Files
7. Favorite scene in Beautiful Thing (and why): I have a tie between the
kissing in the woods and the final dance, because both scenes represent
what the film means to me: Freedom to Love and Be Loved by whomever you
choose.
8. Favorite line from Beautiful Thing: Jamie's "Me and him's the same".
It's a shame that line didn't make it to the film!!!!!
9. Favorite actors: Gary Cooper, Harrison Ford
10. Favorite actresses: Julia Roberts
11. Favorite character from Beautiful Thing (and why): Jamie&Ste (50%
each) because one couldn't exist without the other, IMHO.
12. Would you be interested in seeing the play in Chicago: Of course I
would!!!!!!!!! But I can't afford it!! :(((
13. How many times have you seen the movie??: A Googol Plex number of
times!!! Seriously now, let me count: I first saw BT on January 8, 1997.
Once a day since then at least... Oh, I don't know, maybe 500 times (I've
watched some scenes more than others, though...)
14. Your nicknames: Sandra and BTSandra on IRC
15. Hair Color: Light brown
16. Eye Color: Dark brown
17. Height & Weight: I believe I'm 5' tall. To those of you who 'speak'
in metric system I'm *SURE* I'm 157 centimetres tall; Weight: 54.5 Kg.
18. School atttending/attended: I'm presently studying my first year
doctorate in English Philology at the University.
19. Favourite thing to do: First of all I *LOVE* watching BT, then
writing BT stories, talking on IRC and writing emails to my friends,
listening to music and singing like crazy, reading...
20. What computer and internet browser you are using: Pentium 75 Mhz
(pure crap); Netscape
> Hope these are not too personal!!! I will give my answers a little
> later! I have to go study for a final now, since Beautiful Thing is
> almost over. I just can not get enought of this movie!!!
DITTO!!!!
> Thanks everyone!!!
You're welcome, Jon!!!
> Jon
Sandra.

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 11:56:13 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

>Hee hee. I'd make fun of Eric's age, but... he's not far ahead of me.
>Funny, I remember how all Americans were supposed to learn the metric system
>in time for the Bicentennial. I think it was our own way of celebrating
>independence and never learning the darn system!
>
>Jeff
Well, some things actually improve with age, jeffo. Cheese comes to mind.....!
-Eric

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 11:43:41 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

Eric  wrote:
>
> >Hee hee. I'd make fun of Eric's age, but... he's not far ahead of me.
> >Funny, I remember how all Americans were supposed to learn the metric system
> >in time for the Bicentennial. I think it was our own way of celebrating
> >independence and never learning the darn system!
> >
> >Jeff
>
> Well, some things actually improve with age, jeffo. Cheese comes to mind.....!
So, Eric, are you comparing yourself to cheese? <G>
Gary
who is older than Eric but tries to avoid being "cheesy" :)
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From: "Joshua
Subject: btlist: Umm... see I haven't seen the play...
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:36:58 -0400

Could you explain this?
8. Favorite line from Beautiful Thing: Jamie's "Me and him's the same".

It's a shame that line didn't make it to the film!!!!!
hehe
I just don't happen to have been able to see the play and no one has a
copy of the script from either the play or the movie in Word or just
text format... The closest I've come to knowing the lines I missed the
first time was by asking and watching the movie over and over 'til it
just clicked in my head ;o)
hehe

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:02:16 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

>So, Eric, are you comparing yourself to cheese? <G>
>
>Gary
>who is older than Eric but tries to avoid being "cheesy" :)
I've been compared to worse.... So how 'bout a fine vintage wine?
-Eric

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From: jmcs
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:06:57 +0000
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

Hello everybody, again!!
> Sandra, you've never joined on the BT channel, 'ave you? Or do I just miss
> you?
>
> Jeff
As a matter of fact, Jeff, two days ago (last Wednesday night) I was on
the IRC Channel for almost two hours. I've connected a few dozen times
since I finally figured out how to find BT's Channel, almost three months
ago. I'm controlling myself a bit now (coz of last astronomical bill, ya
know...), but I plan to connect again this weekend. It seems we just
missed each other...
Take care.

Sandra.

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From: Sven
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:12:19 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

Distress call!
How does one find the BT IRC channel? What directory/subdirectory is it in?
Thanx
Steve

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 15:32:52 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

Hi,
Using your irc client, connect to one of the many DalNet servers (info at
www.dalnet.com) and join #beautiful-thing (from the command line that would
be: "/join #beautiful-thing" leave out the quotation marks.) For more info
on irc see http://www.mirc.com
I hope that is not confusing.
-Eric

At 03:12 PM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Distress call!
>How does one find the BT IRC channel? What directory/subdirectory is it in?
>Thanx
>Steve
>

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 15:35:53 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: Umm... see I haven't seen the play...

>P.S. Eric, thank you for the explanation. I'm almost 5'2", OK!! But I
>already knew one inch are 2.54 centimetres. And I'll never tell what
>motivated me to learn how to count in inches!!!!!!
I'll bet I can guess....... :-)
-Eric

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From: jmcs
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:22:02 +0000
Subject: Re: btlist: Umm... see I haven't seen the play...

Hello again!! :)
> Could you explain this?
>
> 8. Favorite line from Beautiful Thing: Jamie's "Me and him's the same".
> It's a shame that line didn't make it to the film!!!!!
>
> hehe
>
> I just don't happen to have been able to see the play and no one has a
> copy of the script from either the play or the movie in Word or just text
> format... The closest I've come to knowing the lines
>
> hehe
OK, I now have the stageplay in front of me. Jamie says 'THE' words when
he's coming out to Sandra and she's telling him:
Sandra: (...) There's me going to bed of a night feeling sorry for ya,
coz you had to share a bed with Ste. And... and all the time you were...
you were doing a seventy minus one...
Jamie: What?
Sandra: Think about it.
Jamie tuts.
Sandra: Do you talk to him?
Jamie: Me and him's the same.

God, those are the most beautiful words I've ever heard!! And from
a fifteen year old boy!!!! That's the essence of what Jamie and Ste truly
are: ONE, in EVERY sense of the word!!!
Take care.

Sandra. (Who's floating right now...) :))

P.S. Eric, thank you for the explanation. I'm almost 5'2", OK!! But I
already knew one inch are 2.54 centimetres. And I'll never tell what
motivated me to learn how to count in inches!!!!!!

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From: "Jeff
Subject: btlist: Handy Dandy Way to Get to BT IRC Channel
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:01:31 -0500

Since I typed this entire email before reading Eric's DALnet web page
email... i'm still going to send it, but i will add:
http://www.dal.net/chat/index.html
Also works. So there.

Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Sven
Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 2:12 p.m.
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

>Distress call!
>How does one find the BT IRC channel? What directory/subdirectory is it
in?
>Thanx
>Steve
>
>This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list
(btlist)
>

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From: Sven
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:36:49 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

Thanx all.
Steve

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 03:43:45 +0200
From: Meinolf
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

> okay, here are my questions...please answer them!!!
>
> 1. Name: Meinolf
> 2. Age: 32
> 3. Birthday: 08.July 65
> 4. Where do you live: Bonn / Germany
> 5. Favorite movie:
BT, Sister Act 1+2 (the music), Hello Dolly, Star Trek, I love SF,
Musicals and Gay-Themed Films and I tape them as much as I can. 'round
1500 recordings now. :-) vidiotic isn't it? :-)
> 6. Favorite TV show: Star Trek, Rosane,
> 7. Favorite scene in Beautiful Thing (and why): Kiss in wood, my best dream.
> 8. Favorite line from Beautiful Thing: can't decide
> 9. Favorite actors:
Brad Pit in "a river runs through it", Matthew Broderick in "Torch Song
Trilogy" and a long time ago Maxwell Caulfield in "Grease 2" 'cause I
feld exactly like him, but I missed the happy end in my life. :-(
> 10. Favorite actresses:
Barbara Streisand in "Hello Dolly" (she is so selfconfident and even
then visible uncertain but she's going on her way. And I hope to sing
the Song on CSD this year in Colone / Germany), Whoopi Goldberg
> 11. Favorite character from Beautiful Thing (and why):
Jamie and Ste, they are like Dr. Jeckil and Mr. Hyde in my Soul.
> 12. Would you be interested in seeing the play in Chicago:
to expensive :-(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
> 13. How many times have you seen the movie??:
All three movie versions in germany more than 50 times together. I have
one video in english and one in german. But it was emotional easyer to
see it in the movie than at home.
> 14. Your nicknames:
cuddlebear, and my name means "wolf with courage and power" :-)
> 15. Hair Color: middle blond
> 16. Eye Color: blue-green
> 17. Height & Weight: 174cm/ 80kg
> 18. School atttending/attended: study catholic theology
> 19. Favourite thing to do: dance and sing, meeting friends at home and out in the
> world
> 20. What computer and internet browser you are using: Pentium 100, Netscape
> 4.05d
:-)
take care
Meinolf

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 09:48:48 +0200
From: Martijn
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

> 1. Name: Martijn
> 2. Age: 20 years
> 3. Birthday: 6 march 1978
> 4. Where do you live: Veenendaal, The Netherlands
> 5. Favorite movie: Vulcano
> 6. Favorite TV show: Jay Leno
> 7. Favorite scene in Beautiful Thing (and why): Dancing in the woods
> 8. Favorite line from Beautiful Thing: I'm crazy about all the lines,
but "Sandra to Jamie: Well you could hear a zip burst in Australie"
> 9. Favorite actors: Tommy Lee Jones
>10. Favorite actresses: Julie Delphy
>11. Favorite character from Beautiful Thing (and why): Leah, because
she's crazy
>12. Would you be interested in seeing the play in Chicago: maybe
>13. How many times have you seen the movie??: over 80 times
>14. Your nicknames: Martijn20
>15. Hair Color: BRown
>16. Eye Color: BRown
>17. Height & Weight: 1.86m, 69 kilo's
>18. School atttending/attended: Highshool
>19. Favourite thing to do: COmputering, makinf Radio
>20. What computer and internet browser you are using: I use a COmpayw
Pentium 2000 with Netscape en IE4

Bye for now!!!!!!
Martijn

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From: "Warwick
Date: 9 May 98 08:51:07 +0100
Subject: btlist: Gay club in Thamesmede

Hey
Just found an ad in Boyz (London Free Gay Paper)
A Club Called Xdream has opened In Thamesmede south
In the Lakeside Centre on Southmere Lake. Belvedere Rd
Information 0181 311 7952
Well Jamie and Steve wont have far to go now

Warwick
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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 06:45:46 -0400
From: jonathan
Subject: btlist: what do you think???

He everyone!
You guys are so cool!!! (and girls too) I have never seen so many nice
people on one mailing list before in my whole life!!!
Okay, let me get down to business. I have been watching Beautiful Thing
as much as I possibly can, while studying for final exams, and I have
noticed something, and am wondering what everyone else thinks?
Exactly what is Sandra's sexual preference? She dates Tony, but when
leaving the bar and finding Ste crying, she gives Louise a glance as to
check her out as she walks away! And again at the end with Leah, she
seems to have taken the Dyke thing to an extreme! Is this why she goes
through boyfriends quickly b/c she in not happy with them, or what???
Has anyone else had this thought, or was it just me??? And why when Ste
brought Jamie the hat, did Sandra look outside the door to see if anyone
was watching, if she didn't already think Jamie & Ste had something
going on, then why care who is outside watching???
I know I can count on you guys for great answers!!!
Jon

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 07:30:44 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: what do you think???

At 06:45 AM 5/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Exactly what is Sandra's sexual preference?
Without knowing Jonathan's intentions, I can only say I think Sandra is NOT
gay. Nothing to indicate it appears in the play or the published
screenplay. In the film, a LOT of subtext has been added by (I assume) the
actors, and probably the director as well. And speaking of subtext, a
wealth of it was added to the film by the set decorator. The apartments are
full of little things that reveal character. Jamie's room has all kinds of
stuff in it, and Ste's room (and wardrobe at one point) indicate he is a
big fan of the Arsenals Football club (although not a word of that is
mentioned). It is interesting to see how a film is molded and characters
are formed by little things that do not appear in the actual writing.
>Has anyone else had this thought, or was it just me???
Oh, I'd say a few hundred people at least have had that thought! ;-)
>And why when Ste
>brought Jamie the hat, did Sandra look outside the door to see if anyone
>was watching,
Let's face it, Sandra is a fairly nosey neighbor. Who knows exactly why she
looked out there? She may have been checking for Ronnie or Trevor. I
seriously doubt she had any inkling at all that something was going on
between the two. Otherwise, she would not have been so shocked to find that
Gay Times in Jamies room!
-Eric

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From: Tea1
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:47:29 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: posters

If you are looking for a poster, and don't mind it being on line, go to any of
the BT web sites and you will find them there. Hope this is helpful.
-Bert

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From: robinson
Subject: Re: btlist: what do you think???
Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 11:10:38 EDT

Although it has never been blatantly indicated in the film, I have had
the same impression that Jonathan had about Sandra perhaps being gay.
Perhaps it would be a decent explanation about why she has problems with
commitment. Or why she continues to "go through" men.
I am also under the impression that the lesbian Leah describe's in
Sandras arms at the end of the movie, sort of fits Sandra's description.
This s pure speculation, but in some ways I can see it.
The thing that makes it realistic, is that we never really know. I think
that Sandra is of a generation where exploring homosexuality is much less
of an option. Maybe that is where a BEAUTIFUL THING sequel should take
things. Sandra does have the most loose ends at the end of the film...and
I agree that her sexuality s one of those loose ends.
mark

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 10:26:32 -0500
From: "jean.
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

I don't think Sandra's attracted to women, I think she just appreciates
them in a special way! The thing with Louis: it just looked to me like she
was sort of absent-mindedly watching her walk while she was thinking about
having her
own pub. But then again, J.H. doesn't take us by the hand and
spell everything out for us, so it could go either way I suppose. Later.
Jean.
ask away, Jonathan!
> 1. Jean
> 2. 31
> 3. August 19th
> 4. Berkeley, California
> 5. Movies: BT, Ma Vie en Rose
> 6. TV: Red Dwarf (awhile ago), probably South Park if I had cable
> 7. favorite scene: the first kiss (why: love)
> 8. favorite line: tie between "Don't matter what I think" & "And are
you?"
> 9. actor: besides GB & SN? Robert Downey Jr, Gary Oldman, Christopher
Walken, Harvey Keitel, James Duvall
>10. actress: Lily Taylor, Ruth Gordon (dead), Claire Danes, Anna Paquin,
Susan Sarandon
>11. favorite char bt: S&J (why: love)
>12. Chicago: Love to /Can't / $$$
>13. # viewings of bt: 20ish
>14. nicknames: Bambi, Sparkie, Malibu Barbie (kidding)
>15. hair: reddish-brown
>16. eyes: brown
>17. stats: 5' 6", 124 (But why, are you calculating shipping costs from
California to
Chicago? Thanks Jonny, you're too good to me!)
>18. school: University of Washington (bach. of music), currently
messing about w/ a masters @ CSU-San Francisco
>19. like to do:swimming, playing music, drinking really strong coffee,
occasionally managing to write a successful grant proposal for my
developmentally disabled clients
>20. computer: 166MMX, Explr/Netscp
that's about the size of it (me). J.

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:59:52 +0200
From: Pepijn
Subject: Re: btlist: what do you think???

Hello Jon,
>Exactly what is Sandra's sexual preference? She dates Tony, but when
>leaving the bar and finding Ste crying, she gives Louise a glance as to
>check her out as she walks away! And again at the end with Leah, she
>seems to have taken the Dyke thing to an extreme! Is this why she goes
>through boyfriends quickly b/c she in not happy with them, or what???
>Has anyone else had this thought, or was it just me??? And why when Ste
>brought Jamie the hat, did Sandra look outside the door to see if anyone
>was watching, if she didn't already think Jamie & Ste had something
>going on, then why care who is outside watching???
I've been asking myself that question too for some time and haven't come up
with an answer either.
Other clues are that just before Sandra gives Louise the look you talk
about, they kiss eachother goodbye, which is quite odd if you realise that
they are colleages and see each other almost every day. And then the way
Louise and Sandra react when Jamie asks if they would like to tag along to
the Gloucester. Louise gives Sandra a strange look, they burst out laughing
and Sandra says to Louise that she'll never have grandchildren. Louise
takes it very lightly, IMO. And both immediately know what type of pub the
Gloucester is, but that may not be so strange (I think a majority of the
Dutch know the iT, at least by name (it is the major gay-disco in
Amsterdam). And then of course the dancing-scene at the end, where Louise
stands aside, with a look of approval..
But if Sandra isn't straight, it is only hinted at. I've watched the film a
couple of times with this thought in mind, but I don't think there is any
conclusive evidence to sustain it..
(Which, IMO, is one of the things that make it so great!)
Regards,
Pepijn
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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 14:02:54 -0400
From: jonathan
Subject: btlist: I am an addict of BT

Okay, here I go again!
As I watch the movie more and more, I have the increasing desire to have
a shirt like Jamie and Ste wear. You know the one, with the school name
and symbol. I have noticed three different kinds, so far. One is a red
t-shirt (my fav), one is a white t-shirt, and the other is a red
sweatshirt.
Now here is my question: Does anyone else on the list think it would be
cool to try and get some of these shirts made for everyone of the list
who wants to buy one? And I wonder how much it might cost?
I also thought they could be done with beautiful thing on the back, or
on the sleeve, or maybe something about the beautiful thing list...
If anyone thinks this is a good idea, let me know, and if you have a
clear close up of the name and symbol, or know what it is supposed to
be, please let me know! I think it would be just too cool!
Jon
"I'm more of a Master Mind man myself"

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 18:41:33 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: I am an addict of BT

Hi,
Having a shirt the way it is in the film would probably be OK, but putting
"Beautiful Thing" anywhere on it might be a copyright infringement, if any
were to sell them. The school name, BTW, is CROSSNESS, and seems to have a
series of "X"'s across it. BUT, they may be two rows of "V"'s!
-Eric

At 02:02 PM 5/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Okay, here I go again!
>
>As I watch the movie more and more, I have the increasing desire to have
>a shirt like Jamie and Ste wear. You know the one, with the school name
>and symbol. I have noticed three different kinds, so far. One is a red
>t-shirt (my fav), one is a white t-shirt, and the other is a red
>sweatshirt.
>
>Now here is my question: Does anyone else on the list think it would be
>cool to try and get some of these shirts made for everyone of the list
>who wants to buy one? And I wonder how much it might cost?
>
>I also thought they could be done with beautiful thing on the back, or
>on the sleeve, or maybe something about the beautiful thing list...
>
>If anyone thinks this is a good idea, let me know, and if you have a
>clear close up of the name and symbol, or know what it is supposed to
>be, please let me know! I think it would be just too cool!
>
>Jon
>"I'm more of a Master Mind man myself"
>
>

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From: Gayamigo
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:36:39 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

OK... my turn:
1. Name: Scott
2. Age: 37
3. Birthday: June
4. Where do you live: Orlando, Florida
5. Favorite movie: BT, of course!
6. Favorite TV show: South Park
7. Favorite scene in Beautiful Thing (and why): The first time Jamie kissed
Ste in bed... wow! What a sweet, innocent kiss. I had to watch this over and
over on my VCR since I loved it so much.
8. Favorite line from Beautiful Thing: Too many... but I guess the line with
Jamie crying in bed as his says to his mom "...there are some things that are
hard to talk about". My mom passed away before I could have my own scene like
that and that's one of the biggest regrets in my life.
9. Favorite actors: The leads in BT (incredible, especially considering
they're straight).
10. Favorite actresses: Don't have one.
11. Favorite character from Beautiful Thing (and why): Probably Ste, since I
knew someone just like him in high school (geez, didn't we all?). If my "Ste"
and I were ever put into a close sharing-the-bed-position like in the movie,
I'm sure we would have had our own beautiful thing. Oh well, maybe in my next
life.
12. Would you be interested in seeing the play in Chicago: Maybe.
13. How many times have you seen the movie??: Twice... expect to see it lots
more when they lower the home video price in June and I buy my own copy to
wear out.
14. Your nicknames: None.
15. Hair Color: Brown
16. Eye Color: hazel
17. Height & Weight: 5'10, 165
18. School atttending/attended:
19. Favourite thing to do: Movies
20. What computer and internet browser you are using: MS, AOL

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From: "Michael
Subject: Re: btlist: I am an addict of BT
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:59:34 +1000

We had Beautiful Thing tshirts made for the play production. You really have
to get permission to use the BT logo, or to use the words Beautiful and
Thing if they in anyway refer to the film.
Cheers
MICHAEL
-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan
Date: Sunday, 10 May 1998 3:59
Subject: btlist: I am an addict of BT

>Okay, here I go again!
>
>As I watch the movie more and more, I have the increasing desire to have
>a shirt like Jamie and Ste wear. You know the one, with the school name
>and symbol. I have noticed three different kinds, so far. One is a red
>t-shirt (my fav), one is a white t-shirt, and the other is a red
>sweatshirt.
>
>Now here is my question: Does anyone else on the list think it would be
>cool to try and get some of these shirts made for everyone of the list
>who wants to buy one? And I wonder how much it might cost?
>
>I also thought they could be done with beautiful thing on the back, or
>on the sleeve, or maybe something about the beautiful thing list...
>
>If anyone thinks this is a good idea, let me know, and if you have a
>clear close up of the name and symbol, or know what it is supposed to
>be, please let me know! I think it would be just too cool!
>
>Jon
>"I'm more of a Master Mind man myself"
>
>
>This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list
(btlist)
>

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From: "Michael
Subject: Re: btlist: what do you think???
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:18:01 +1000

Hi Jonathan
>Exactly what is Sandra's sexual preference?
She's straight.
> She dates Tony, but when leaving the bar and finding Ste crying, she
gives Louise a glance as to check her out as she walks away!
Women often admire and look at other womens' bodies in a non-sexual way.
Whereas if a guy does that to another guy he's considered gay. The
devise is used in the film to help support Sandra's surprise when she
discovers Jamie might be gay. ie she thinks nothing of two people of
same sex sharing glances or sharing beds top to toe.
> And again at the end with Leah, she seems to have taken the Dyke thing
to an extreme!
I don't think it's extreme - she's having fun and so is Leah. Once
again, women can joke about Lesbianism with other women without being
serious or being taken seriously.
> Is this why she goes through boyfriends quickly b/c she in not happy
with them, or what???

If you've read the play, you'll learn that Sandra's last boyf beat her.
Besides she has only had three other boyfriends, Richard the barman (who
beat her), Colin the Barber and Alfie the long-distance lorry driver.
For a woman of 35 I don't think that's a lot of boyfriends.
> And why when Ste brought Jamie the hat, did Sandra look outside the
door to see if anyone was watching, if she didn't already think Jamie &
Ste had something going on, then why care who is outside watching???
Because people are nosey. Also security is low on a housing estate so
it's probably habit to check the landing. Remember, as she is a Barmaid,
Sandra is quite an influential person in this environment. She is in a
position to hire people (and there'd be plenty who'd need a job) and she
is also privy to a lot of housing estate gossip.
>I know I can count on you guys for great answers!!!

I hope these help.
Cheers
MICHAEL

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From: "Michael
Subject: btlist: Ste is cast!
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:51:34 +1000

Hi all
Well, the casting for "Ste" and "Tony" was yesterday and I am happy to
say that I have found a Ste. His name is Brendan Powell and is quite a
lad.
Simon, who plays "Jamie", said he could easily fall in love with this
Ste. I'll post a headshot of Brendan in the next few days.
Tony is still uncast as yet.
Cheers and love
MICHAEL
PS - this headshot is of me!!!

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:06:12 +0200
From: Meinolf
Subject: Re: btlist: subscribe
Precedence: bulk
I think you use the wrong address to subscribe.
use this one:
and in subjekt and boddy: subscribe btlist
good luck
Meinolf
Laura  schrieb:
>
> Laura
>
> To every end, there is a new beginning
>

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From: Tea1
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:02:29 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: Note to Michael

Dear Michael,
I saw your pic! Hey you are very cute!! :-)
-Bert

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From: "Adam
Subject: RE: btlist: Note to Michael
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:27:47 -0400

I second that motion. Michael is handsome.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of
> Tea1cup
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 1998 11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: btlist: Note to Michael
>
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> I saw your pic! Hey you are very cute!! :-)
>
> -Bert
>

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From: persona
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:51:50 +0000
Subject: Re: btlist: ISP's

> Hi all, (New boy Gav here)
>
> I'm thinking about getting the internet at home soon and I was just
> wondering which service provider you would all recommend. This is
> particularly aimed at those in the UK, I'm not that bothered about the
> cost with in reason just in the speed and other features provided.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Gav XXX.
Hi Gav!
Well, I use Claranet myself.. who aren't too bad really!
£11.90 (inc vat) for months access, or £5 plus vat for up to 5 hours
usage.
Also comes with 5 meg (yes, only 5 meg - some of our over-seas
readers get tons of space!) of space, and unlimited email addresses
(of the type....

HTH
David

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:22:28 +1000
From: Andy
Subject: Re: btlist: Ste is cast!

Mikey "Herr Direktor"  wrote:
>Simon, who plays "Jamie", said he could easily fall in love with this Ste.
Gosh! What a confused lad. I thought you said he wasn't gay. Oh, I see,
only the character he plays is gay. Eh????? Now I'm confused! ;)
Have you found a new Sandra yet? After a bit more thought I think I like
Colette Mann out of the ones you mentioned. But the test is *on* the
casting couch, as they say, not that you'd know what to do with her there!
;)))
>PS - this headshot is of me!!!
Nice! I liked to one of you in the BT program too, did you have shorter
hair then?
Andy.
--

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From: "Michael
Subject: Re: btlist: Ste is cast!
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:36:41 +1000

Andy
I had my hair pretty short for the programme photo. I like that pic too, but
in some ways it's a little too "spunky b&w studio shot". The other is more
natural.
We should finalise our Sandra this week ... very exciting

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy
Date: Monday, 11 May 1998 13:20
Subject: Re: btlist: Ste is cast!

>Mikey "Herr Direktor" wrote:
>>Simon, who plays "Jamie", said he could easily fall in love with this Ste.
>
>Gosh! What a confused lad. I thought you said he wasn't gay. Oh, I see,
>only the character he plays is gay. Eh????? Now I'm confused! ;)
>
>Have you found a new Sandra yet? After a bit more thought I think I like
>Colette Mann out of the ones you mentioned. But the test is *on* the
>casting couch, as they say, not that you'd know what to do with her there!
>;)))
>
>>PS - this headshot is of me!!!
>
>Nice! I liked to one of you in the BT program too, did you have shorter
>hair then?
>
>Andy.
>

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From: Gavin
Subject: btlist: Can I give some answers???
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:40:30 +0000

Hi Jon (and everyone else of course)
I just thought I'd add my introduction to the others you've had. This
is actually my first post to the main list, although I've been member
of the BRILLIANT story list for a couple of months now. It's mainly
due to Kent who's already introduced himself that I'm here now so blame
him. (Hi Kent how ya doing, only kidding if ya hadn't guessed) So
without further ado here are the answers to those posing questions of
yours.
1. Name: Gavin
2. Age: 22
3. Birthday: 2nd of November (1975)
4. Where do you live: England, Southampton
5. Favorite movie: Do I state the obvious here, or do I risk some
other suggestions. Well of course you could guess I love BT why else
would I be here writing this now eh. My other favorites are My Own
Private Idaho, Stand By Me and anything Sci-fi really.
6. Favorite TV show: At the moment The Bill but only when you know
who's on it. My favorites of all time are Fawlty Towers, Absolutely
Fabulous and Black Adder
7. Favorite scene in Beautiful Thing (and why): The Peppermint Lotion
scene, because it's so brave of Jamie and so touching that I just can't
help crying whenever I see it.
8. Favorite line from Beautiful Thing: "Apparently"
9. Favorite actors: Glen and Scott obviously, goes without saying
doesn't it (or not) but apart from them. John Thaw, Alan Rickman, Tom
Cruise, Harrison Ford.
10. Favorite actresses: Joanna Lumley, Juliet Stevenson, Helen Mirren
11. Favorite character from Beautiful Thing (and why): I can Identify
so much with Jamie, but I fancy Ste more.
12. Would you be interested in seeing the play in Chicago: I would
love too but can't get the time off work to travel over at the moment.
13. How many times have you seen the movie??: 50+
14. Your nicknames: Gav (only to my friends though) and gml on IRC
15. Hair Color: Light brown
16. Eye Color: Blue
17. Height & Weight: 6 foot 3, too much
18. School atttending/attended: Southampton Institute of Higher
Education.
19. Favourite thing to do: Play Table Tennis, Tennis and mess about
with Computers.
20. What computer and internet browser you are using: (home) Pentium
75 and IE4 (work) Pentium 133 and IE4.
Hope I haven't bored ya too much, and thank you Jon for asking the
questions because I was interested to know who was on the list as well.
Take care, all of you,
Gavin XXX.

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