From: "Ben
Subject: btlist: I'm here but I'm lurking.
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:04:27 +0100 (BST)

Name: Ben
Age 19
Birthday 22 of Feb. (1979)
Where do you live: Cnterbury Kent, England.
Fav Movie: BT (Of course!!), Shallow Grave, Scream, (I have a macabre
sense of humour)
Fave scene: The Gloucester. You can't hear everything which makes it
more intimate.
Fave line: Kids are cunts.
Nick name: Beaker (see hair colour).
Hair Colour: Ginger.
Eye Colour: Green.
Height/weight: 5ft 9. About 10 stone.
School attending: University of Kent at Canterbury.
Speak to you soon!!
Ben. xxxxx

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:39:48 +0100
From: Terry
Subject: Re: btlist: I am an addict of BT
In article , Michael
writes
>We had Beautiful Thing tshirts made for the play production. You really have
>to get permission to use the BT logo, or to use the words Beautiful and
>Thing if they in anyway refer to the film.
I was going to make only one T-Shirt for me to wear when I go to the
Thamesmead tour in June.
It will have the picture of Jamie and Ste looking over the side of the
walkway. That should be OK don't you think?
Regards,
Tez. (Terry

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:43:39 +0100
From: Terry
Subject: btlist: Fan club meeting in June 1998

I saw the web page on the dutch fan club's WWW page about a meeting
including a tour of Thamesmead.
I wonder how many of us will be going to the meeting in June?
I am definately going to come along with my boyfriend.
Regards,
Tez. (Terry

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:21:25 -0400
From: "Keith
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

OK, OK I'm finally catching up on my email...so here goes

1. Name: Keith
2. Age: 30
3. Birthday: June 9, 1967
4. Where do you live: Woodbury Heights, NJ ( a suburb of Philadelphia )
5. Favorite movie: aside from BT, The Godfather I,II, Star Wars Trilogy, 2001:A Space Oddysey
6. Favorite TV show: South Park, The Simpsons, Dr Who
7. Favorite scene in Beautiful Thing (and why): Dance Scene at the end - their total
freedom in showing their love for each other in public. I love the fairy tale aspect of this
scene.
8. Favorite line from Beautiful Thing: Almost anything coming out of Tony's mouth
like "moving toward getting away..."
9. Favorite actors: Keanu Reeves, Al Pacino, Leo
10. Favorite actresses: Maybe Susan Sarandon
11. Favorite character from Beautiful Thing (and why): Ste - I just love is quiet intensity
12. Would you be interested in seeing the play in Chicago: Yes, but probably can't
13. How many times have you seen the movie??: maybe 10-15 times
14. Your nicknames: None
15. Hair Color: Dark brown
16. Eye Color: brown
17. Height & Weight: 5' 11, 150 lbs
18. School atttending/attended: Virginia Tech
19. Favourite thing to do: Computers, reading, watching good movies
20. What computer and internet browser you are using: Pentium 166, 80 mb ram, IE 3.02, WinNT 4.0
Hope that covers it all. There is more about me on my web site, www.geocities.com/westhollywood/1159
Keith

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From: Gavin
Subject: btlist: ISP's
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:26:12 +0000

Hi all, (New boy Gav here)
I'm thinking about getting the internet at home soon and I was just
wondering which service provider you would all recommend. This is
particularly aimed at those in the UK, I'm not that bothered about the
cost with in reason just in the speed and other features provided.
Thanks in advance.
Gav XXX.

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From: "Jeff
Subject: btlist: BT Meeting in Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:05:45 -0500

Would anyone be interested in a gathering of BT listers who can make it to
Chicago on June 6 and/or June 7? A night on the town and dinner. Oh, and I
guess we'll see "Beautiful Thing" while we're there.
Eric Perkins and I have set up our flights and such. It would be great to
meet others within reasonable driving and flying distances of the Windy
City.
It's the weekend before the BT meeting in Thamesmead. Perhaps this would
be a bit less expensive for many Americans.
My email address is: jeffwb@radiks.net. Drop me an E if you want more
information.
Jeff

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From: "Neil
Subject: RE: btlist: ISP's
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:48:43 +0100

Hi Gav
I'm with Demon Internet. It's £10+VAT per month, 5 meg free web space,
unlimited email addresses, your own virtual URL (see mine below), and they
have the full listing of newsgroups which many ISPs don not provide. They
also have a dedicated 45 MB link to the States which makes it quicker when
accessing American sites.
Good luck!
Neil.
-----Original Message-----
From: ]On Behalf Of
Gavin
Sent: 11 May 1998 15:26
Subject: btlist: ISP's

Hi all, (New boy Gav here)
I'm thinking about getting the internet at home soon and I was just
wondering which service provider you would all recommend. This is
particularly aimed at those in the UK, I'm not that bothered about the
cost with in reason just in the speed and other features provided.
Thanks in advance.
Gav XXX.

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:31:41 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: btlist: updates to my site

Hey all,
Some updates to my BT website:

Updates to the Austrialian production of BT with some tour dates (Beautiful
Thing.... The Play)
A link to the Chicago production's webpage (Beautiful Thing.... The Play)
More pix of Glen and Scott (pix.... misc)
Thanks to all who contributed these new items for the enjoyment of all!
More to come!
-Eric

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From: Fins
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:04:20 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: can I ask some questions...

Thought I'd de-lurk to answer few questions....
1. Dave
2. 30 (for nine more days anyway)
3. May 20,1967
4. Brockton, MA (about 20 mins. south of Boston)
5. BT (duh), Heathers, Fargo
6. Seinfeld, Friends, Frasier, South Park
7. The scene where Sandra confronts Jamie
8. "No, I thought I'd tell you first"
9. Matt Damon, Harrison Ford
10. Holly Hunter, Minnie Driver
11. Jamie- He's the one I can most identify with
12. I'd like to see to see it, but probably won't
(I'll just have to live vicariously through Mr. Butts)
13. Dozens and dozens of times
14. Gee, never really had a nickname
15. Brown
16. Brown
17. 5' 10" 150 lbs
18. New England Institute of Technology (sounds more impressive
than it is)
19. going to the movies, photography, hanging out with my neighbors
20. Packard Bell, Internet Explorer

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From: Sven
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:29:16 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: Ste is cast!

Hey Michael,
Nice head shot! :)
Steve

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:20:40 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: Re: btlist: BT Meeting in Chicago

Jeff  wrote:
>
> Would anyone be interested in a gathering of BT listers who can make it to
> Chicago on June 6 and/or June 7? A night on the town and dinner. Oh, and I
> guess we'll see "Beautiful Thing" while we're there.
>
> Eric Perkins and I have set up our flights and such. It would be great to
> meet others within reasonable driving and flying distances of the Windy
> City.
>
If I go it all, it will have to be the previous weekend as summer school
courses and church conferences take up that first weekend in June.
But if anyone is interested in going on Thursday, Friday or Saturday
night of May 28, 29 or 30, please let me know and I can make
arrangements for Amtrak.
Gary
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From: "Joshua
Subject: btlist: Just wanted to say...
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:08:27 -0400

Just wanted to say 'Hey' to the fellow Massachusetts BT fan!! =3Do)

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From: "Michael
Subject: btlist: Aussie Ste
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:40:36 +1000

Hi Listers
Well here he is, Brendan Cowell who is to play "Ste" in the upcoming
Australian touring production of "Beautiful Thing". We're extremely happy
with this casting. He will also be seen on Australian screens (UK shortly
after) in August/September on "Home and Away".
Let me know what you think.
Michael

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:44:00 +1000
From: Andy
Subject: Re: btlist: Aussie Ste

Michael wrote:
>Well here he is,
Where here?
>Brendan Cowell who is to play "Ste" in the upcoming
>Australian touring production of "Beautiful Thing".
Good choice!!(ok to be honest, I've never heard of him :/)))

>We're extremely happy
>with this casting. He will also be seen on Australian screens (UK shortly
>after) in August/September on "Home and Away".
>
>Let me know what you think.
>
Still can't see him! :)
Oi! Andre, have you turned the attachments off?
Andy.
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:32:39 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: btlist: BT Poster

Thanks to whoever posted the address in Toronto for the BT movie poster.
I got mine today and, boy, did they pack it securely!
They sent it Air Mail and I noted that it had travelled in about 36
hours from Toronto to Miami to Memphis to Jackson, TN.
Anyway, it looks great so now I'll have to stop on the way home to get a
poster frame.
Gary
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:58:31 -0400
From: "Keith
Subject: Re: btlist: BT Poster

Gary,
I was the one that posted the address, (at least recently) and I'm glad you like it -
mine is hanging on my bedroom wall, framed, and it looks great! At first I didn't like the
sunglasses, but it kind of grows on you, and it's way better than the original video box
cover. I think the video reissue is going to have the same picture on it as the poster, and the
CD, which is certainly more appealing that the other cover (Rosemary's Video Cover)
Keith

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:32:39 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: BT Poster

At 03:58 PM 5/13/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I think the video reissue is going to have the same picture on it as the
poster, and the
>CD, which is certainly more appealing that the other cover (Rosemary's
Video Cover)
Hopefully, that will be the case. But if you judging by the picture at
Metro Video <http://metrovideoonline.com/coming_soon.html>, that is the
actual US poster shown, not a video cover.
-Eric

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:44:16 +0200
From: Martijn
Subject: btlist: Hello to everyone

Hello everyone,
I've been a bit silent lately, because of some very busy things in my
private life, but i'm going to join the BT gang again.........There are a
lott of people ont know............and a lott i alreayd knwo.....so
HELLO I'm Martijn

If you wanna no more..........jsut ask:-)))

Martijn

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From: Gavin
Subject: RE: btlist: I've gota question!!
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:56:47 +0000

Does anyone know what Ste whispers to Jamie when they are at the
Gloucester and then they laugh?
Thanks
Gavin.

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:57:50 +1000
From: Andy
Subject: btlist: This 'n That

Hi Listers,
Here are just a few tid-bits I came across this week that are BT related in
a small way...
*Anita Roddick, who founded the BodyShop (you know, that place that sells
Peppermint Foot Lotion) has stepped down as chief executive, and will join
her husband as co-chairman.
*"Serious Police Work", an Australian fan newsletter for "The Bill" reports
that Scott Neal had three previous appearances in The Bill, the first at
the age of 12, that makes him a veteran! These guest appearances included
parts as a heroin addict and a suspect in a mugging.
And before I sign off..a quick plug for the BT Fan Fiction Archive, which
has been updated today with some brilliant new stories. One of our new
writers, Laura, has written an exceptional piece called "Walking Home" It
takes place after the scene where Leah has just told Jamie and Ste that
Trevor knows and then Ste tells Jamie to leave him alone and storms off to
have a think by the bridge._ Laura's story goes to the core of what Ste's
thoughts are as he contemplates his future. A great read.
Oh, and while you're there, please excuse the mess! The site has been
winning awards hand over fist this past week or two and the poor html
editor is a little confused! :)
Andy.

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From: "Ben
Subject: Re: RE: btlist: I've gota question!!
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:10:35 +0100 (BST)

> Does anyone know what Ste whispers to Jamie when they are at the
> Gloucester and then they laugh?
I think the whole point is that it demonstrates the intimacy between
them...
So we are not meant to know

Speak to you soon!!
Ben. xxxxx

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:40:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric
Subject: btlist: RE: I've got a question

At 04:10 PM 5/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what Ste whispers to Jamie when they are at the
>> Gloucester and then they laugh?
>I think the whole point is that it demonstrates the intimacy between
>them...
>
>So we are not meant to know
>
I'm not sure that we are not MEANT to know what is shared between them, but
it isn't important what they say. It is totally inaudible and unscripted,
in any case.
MY question is: What is the name of that film that Jamie is watching on the
Telly near the beginning of the movie??? It is not mentioned in the script
or the credits at the end of the picture. In the screenplay, it is referred
to as an old "weepy."
-Eric

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:34:16 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: Re: btlist: RE: I've got a question

Eric  wrote:
>
> MY question is: What is the name of that film that Jamie is watching on the
> Telly near the beginning of the movie??? It is not mentioned in the script
> or the credits at the end of the picture. In the screenplay, it is referred
> to as an old "weepy."
>
It must have been _old_ because otherwise it would have been credited,
so it likely was already in public domain. Yet I really would like to
know what the film was called.
Gary
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From: jmcs
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:58:53 +0000
Subject: Re: btlist: This 'n That

Hi everybody!!
Our dear Andy wrote:

> Oh, and while you're there, please excuse the mess! The site has been
> winning awards hand over fist this past week or two and the poor html
> editor is a little confused! :)
>
> Andy.
I'm not one of those people who always say: "I told you!" Well, maybe I
am, but that's not the point... :) My point is that I *knew* the site
was gonna receive tons of awards. Now I predict this is just the
beginning, fellas!!! :))
Andy, splendid job!!
Take care.

Sandra. (Always very proud to be a part of this Beautiful Thing!!)

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From: "David
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:25:34 +0000
Subject: Re: btlist: unsubscribe

>
> unsubscribe
>
Why would anyone want to :(

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:56:58 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: hey!

>And one more thing about BT: I have yet to figure out if Ste is
>supposed to be moving with Jamie and Sandra at the end of the movie, or
>staying at the complex? With the very openness of Jamie and Ste
>dancing, this is sure to get back to Trevor and his dad!!! So if he is
>staying, why put himself in Jeopardy? But if he is moving with Jamie,
>it would not be a problem! What do all of you think?
Of course, anything one might say here is pure speculation, as Jonathan
does not tell us what Ste is going to do. Legally, I doubt that he could
just leave home and move in with Sandra and Jamie. Even if he could, does
Sandra want the two boys living together in her house? Doin' the seventy
minus one?? Hmmmmm.
Jonathan gave us a fantasy ending that doesn't hold up to close scrutiny.
As you say, Ronnie and Trevor are sure to find out that Ste is queer, and
will probably use him as a punching bag. Perhaps Sandra calls the cops on
them and gets them thrown into jail!
-Eric

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:58:22 -0700
From: Jonathan
Subject: btlist: hey!

okay, I am sorry to post this to the list, but, I have had a crash on my
hard drive, and lost some vital information!
Donald, could you send me your e-mail address, I have totally lost it!
And one more thing about BT: I have yet to figure out if Ste is
supposed to be moving with Jamie and Sandra at the end of the movie, or
staying at the complex? With the very openness of Jamie and Ste
dancing, this is sure to get back to Trevor and his dad!!! So if he is
staying, why put himself in Jeopardy? But if he is moving with Jamie,
it would not be a problem! What do all of you think?
Jon

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From: "David
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:52:10 +0000
Subject: Re: btlist: test

> From: "Graham"
> Subject: btlist: test
> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:41:31 +0100
> Test Mail
I can't, I'm a married man ;)

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:56:26 -0500
From: "jean.
Subject: Re: btlist: A new story from me...

Hey, Josh...
=20
There is a separate e-mail list for bt-stories which you can join and =
gives you a "mainline" into the bt-stories website. Apparently, in the =
past, it was determined by consensus, I imagine, that there needed to be =
two distinct lists, this one and another for stories and a very clear =
delineation between the two. I don't know if that is still the case. It =
all happened before my time and I think the details might be irrelevant. =
Anyway, to join the stories list (a very nice group of people):
=20
Send a message to:
=20
put nothing in the subject line
=20
in the body of the message type: subscribe btfanlist
=20
and you should receive confirmation in just a few minutes.=20
=20
Otherwise, if you prefer not to join that list, I imagine you could =
discuss alternatives with the bt-stories website administrator. His name =
is Andy and he's very kind and helpful. You can e-mail him from the Fan =
Fiction Archive website. (you can also find these same instuctions on =
the main page of the site, just click on the orange "Mailing List") =20
=20
Hope this helps. Jean.=20

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From: "Joshua
Subject: btlist: A new story from me...
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:42:00 -0400

I have a new story that is in the works as I'm typing this... I believe =
it'll be pretty long since it's already quite long and I've got a good =
length more laid out in my head. It's called Every road has it's =
potholes, especially in Thamesmead and is about the 'day after' sorta =
thing. I know there have been a few, but I just sorta wanted to add my =
own bit to it =3Do)
I really have NO IDEA how to get my story posted, though, since NO WHERE =
on the site does it say how ;o) hehe I figured that someone here must =
know how, or be the person that can get me on the site. =3Do)
If anyone does, email me at and I will be glad to =
get my story out! I'm sure you'll all like it 'cuz I may not be the =
best writer, but something has taken me over and filled me with the =
spirit of BT. I only hope that my silly American style doesn't make you =
all barf (and I hope the accent I try to portray correctly isn't too =
horrible... maybe someone could edit for me?).
Well I hope to hear from you all soon!!
Joshy

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From: "JIM
Subject: Re: btlist: A new story from me...
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:14:24 -0400

Way to go Massachussetts.... post it. (if its not to long on your web site)
from a BT fan in CT also who cannot afford to see the play in Chicago

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:34:56 +0200
From: Andre
Subject: btlist: ADMIN: unsubscription requests

Hiya folks!
My system is receiving a lot of requests from majordomo to approve unsubscription of list members.
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From: "Kent ."
Subject: Re: btlist: hey! (Jon's question)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:16:20 PDT

On Sat, 16 May 1998, in repsonse to Jon's question:
>>And one more thing about BT: I have yet to figure out if Ste is
>>supposed to be moving with Jamie and Sandra at the end of the movie,
or
>>staying at the complex? With the very openness of Jamie and Ste
>>dancing, this is sure to get back to Trevor and his dad!!! So if he
is
>>staying, why put himself in Jeopardy? But if he is moving with Jamie,
>>it would not be a problem! What do all of you think?
Eric (Hi, Eric! :)) wrote:
>Of course, anything one might say here is pure speculation, as Jonathan
>does not tell us what Ste is going to do. Legally, I doubt that he
could
>just leave home and move in with Sandra and Jamie. Even if he could,
does
>Sandra want the two boys living together in her house? Doin' the
seventy
>minus one?? Hmmmmm.
The new aspect for this I am thinking about is the "does Sandra mind"
angle. Does she mind that her son is doing "the seventy minus one"? I
think she faces the reality of Jamie's being gay and therefore she
accepts the fact that Jamie and Ste are likely to be sexually intimate
(and Sandra is not a person who is anti-sex!). It is *she*, after all,
who brings up the idea that she thinks Jamie has *already* been doing
the 70, etc, and it doesn't seem that she voices this idea with any
great amount of disgust (despite her later saying there'll be "none of
that [f******] here").
That impression I got is sort of reinforced by the screenplay: after
the "seventy minus one" line, the directions say "Jamie doesn't get the
*joke*" (emphasis mine)-- it is referred to as something Sandra says in
humor and teasing, not out of visceral loathing for the mere thought of
male-male sex. And after she says "We'll have none of that here", the
directions indicate: "She raises her eyes to high heaven." This more
seems to be the reaction of someone who, although she hardly believes
what is happening, still expects that this order might be one her son
will NOT follow, possibly? Not that the meaning we are to take from
the movie is dependent on a stage direction, but it does seem the intent
is to let the audience know that Sandra will be open to her son's "new
life" (after a reasonable transition, of course).
>Jonathan gave us a fantasy ending that doesn't hold up to close
scrutiny.
Well, not if being scrutinized as the strictest of realities it doesn't,
but if the ending indeed does cross into the realm of fantasy (as I
believe it does, and can, without destroying the "down to Earth" nature
of the rest of the movie), then the only scrutiny is: "Is it a true
fairy tale ending?" On that score, there is no question. And even by
a stretch, it is somewhat foreshadowed as a realistic ending by that
same acceptance (maybe "too-ready acceptance", but there is so little
time to show anything in 88 minutes!) Sandra shows, almost from the
start. I think Sandra in some ways was more upset that Jamie lied to
her than that he is gay; once *that* is "out in the open" and out of
the way, her maternal (and non-judgmental) nature takes over, IMO.
>As you say, Ronnie and Trevor are sure to find out that Ste is queer,
and
>will probably use him as a punching bag. Perhaps Sandra calls the cops
on
>them and gets them thrown into jail!
We could only hope! In the US, it seems we hear so often of children
removed from parental custody for having been given spankings, even;
we can only hope the British Social Services would intervene if real
child abuse (such as Ste has *already* suffered in the movie) were
brought to light! Does anyone know if such interventions are the norm
in England?
Kent
P.S. Eric, your Site gets better all the time!

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From: "Ben
Subject: Re: btlist: unsubscribe
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:32:35 +0100 (BST)

> Why would anyone want to :(
You can only discuss BT a few times and it becomes repetitive after
that.

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:44:15 +0200
From: Andre
Subject: btlist: ADMIN: how to...

Hi folks!
Since it appears to be unclear as to how exactly to unsubscribe from this list, here's the procedure once again.
!!! Please don't reply to this message, since that would be off topic. !!!
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:44:25 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: hey! (Jon's question)

Hiya Spidey (and everyone),
>The new aspect for this I am thinking about is the "does Sandra mind"
>angle. Does she mind that her son is doing "the seventy minus one"? I
>think she faces the reality of Jamie's being gay and therefore she
>accepts the fact that Jamie and Ste are likely to be sexually intimate
>(and Sandra is not a person who is anti-sex!). It is *she*, after all,
>who brings up the idea that she thinks Jamie has *already* been doing
>the 70, etc, and it doesn't seem that she voices this idea with any
>great amount of disgust (despite her later saying there'll be "none of
>that [f******] here").
I guess I wasn't too clear on this point! I don't think Sandra would be
"disgusted" by the gay sexual act, as you say. My point is really: would
Sandra want her 15 year old son and his 16 year old lover living together
at their age? Certainly, if Jamie was straight, no mother would be likely
to allow him to let his girlfriend move in with him. So applying the same
rules, I'm not sure that Sandra would want them living together, in her
house, at that age. Different matter entirely!
-Eric

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From: "Jeff
Subject: Re: btlist: unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:44:03 -0500

Here we go again. Funny, the *same* concerns -- repetiton and too many
messages -- were expressed last year. Nevertheless, I still enjoy the email
list. And many of us have seen the three incarnations of it. It's
refreshing to see the new set of discussions. Actually, I haven't seen a
lot of redundant discussion this time around.
Have at it!
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben
Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 4:34 p.m.
Subject: Re: btlist: unsubscribe

>> Why would anyone want to
>You can only discuss BT a few times and it becomes repetitive after
>that.
>
>
>This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list
(btlist)
>

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:25:38 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: unsubscribe

I agree with Jeffo. There's not too much repetition. AND, I never would
have known about BT in Chicago if I didn't belong to the list!
Viva La List!
-Eric

At 10:44 AM 5/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Here we go again. Funny, the *same* concerns -- repetiton and too many
>messages -- were expressed last year. Nevertheless, I still enjoy the email
>list. And many of us have seen the three incarnations of it. It's
>refreshing to see the new set of discussions. Actually, I haven't seen a
>lot of redundant discussion this time around.
>
>Have at it!
>
>Jeff
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben
>Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 4:34 p.m.
>Subject: Re: btlist: unsubscribe
>
>
>>> Why would anyone want to
>
>>You can only discuss BT a few times and it becomes repetitive after
>>that.
>>
>>
>>This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list
>(btlist)
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:23:36 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: Re: btlist: unsubscribe

Keith wrote:
>
> Ditto from me. Sure, it gets repetitive now and then, but NEVER to the point of being boring.
> Each of us always brings something slightly different to the discussion.
>
What puzzles me even more are some posts that have appeared on the
USENET newsgroup claiming that most all of mailing list posts just said,
"Me, too." I wondered, maybe in some Twilight Zone universe there was an
alternate BT list they were subscribed to. <G>
> Besides, this list is about Beautiful Thing, after all. If you didn't want to discuss it, why would
> you join the list in the first place????
>
Good question.
> Keith
> (and yes, I'm still alive)
That's reassuring, Keith. <G> I'll be more "alive" once I finish this
third and final week of May term. The paycheck Friday will be very, very
nice, but I need a break. I just wish I could arrange to get to Chicago
next week, but it looks iffy, even with the nice paycheck. Wish I could
go the following week and meet those who are attending then, but I've
got the first week of summer classes and weekend church work. Oh,
well. In six more weeks I'll be in Hot'lanta for Pride weekend and I've
booked a hotel room walking distance from Piedmont Park, where 325,000
or so will be gathered for Pride.
Gary
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:56:32 -0400
From: "Keith
Subject: Re: btlist: unsubscribe

Ditto from me. Sure, it gets repetitive now and then, but NEVER to the point of being boring.
Each of us always brings something slightly different to the discussion.
Besides, this list is about Beautiful Thing, after all. If you didn't want to discuss it, why would
you join the list in the first place????
Keith
(and yes, I'm still alive)

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Subject: btlist: saying goodbye
From: robinson
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:18:49 EDT

Not because I am bored with the messages sent to this page, but because I
am in the process of moving, I will soon unsubscribe to the bt list. I
just want to take the opportunity to thank all of you for your enthusiasm
and insights regarding a film that I hold very dear to my heart. Through
this list I have made a most wonderful friend in Dick Corrigan, have
grown to feel a community amongst a gay community that I wasn't sure
existed, and grown to believe that there are BEAUTIFUL things waiting for
us all, if we are just patient and optimistic enough to believe it!! God
bless you all, for you know not how much you have helped one scared queer
in upstate New York!!!
My Love Always,
Mark

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:30:30 -0400
From: "Keith
Subject: Re: btlist: saying goodbye

Mark,
We'll all miss ya, buddy, and if down the road you get back into cyberspace, look us up,
<I can't resist this next bit>
we'll leave the light on for you.
Keith

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From: "Graham"
Subject: btlist: test
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:41:31 +0100

Test Mail

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:55:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donald
Subject: Re: btlist: saying goodbye

Mark, you're moving? Please keep us informed as to your new address and
web # if it's going to be different.You're a super person and I for one
would be at a personal loss if I lost track of you.
Don

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:13:30 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: btlist: Website Update!

Oh Yes! Four new pix (pix... misc),
And a press release about the Chicago production of BT (Beautiful Thing...
The Play)

AND....
There's more to come!
-Eric

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From: JP
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:43:40 EDT
Subject: btlist: Beautiful Thing in Chicago

Hi BT Listers
Here's a quick impression of the first preview of Famous Door Theatre
Company's production of Beautiful Thing which I saw last Saturday night in
Chicago. I'm going to the Premier on Thursday - which includes a reception
afterwards where I may have a chance to talk to the director and cast a bit...
I'll write a more detailed review after that.
(Eric)
so....
How was the play???!!
(Jay)
It was wonderful, of course...
I was amazed to find myself crying at several points, even though I've seen it
all a couple dozen times now. Jonathan's dialog continues to impress me. I
brought along a new aquaintance, in his mid-twenties, who is just coming out.
He comes from a fundamentalist background, with a scarey and abusive father.
He whispered to me about 10 minutes into the show "this is fabulous!" and kept
repeating the phrase under his breath at key points during the play. We had a
long talk over coffee afterwards.
The theatre is small, and therefore quite intimate. The set does evoke
Thamesmead - when I sat down and started looking around (no curtain) I decided
quickly "this will work". It's not exactly like the real place, but it evokes
the right mood, maybe better than the movie in someways as it's not "brighted-
up" at all. Jamie's bedroom (well, just bed and lamp, really) was put right
down on the floor in front of the first row of seats. VERY intimate!
The cast is for the most part really great. They all appear to be from ISU
(Illinois State Univ). The actress playing Sandra is undoubtedly the most
accomplished of the lot (sorry, I don't have the names of the actors with me)
with good experience under her belt. Her Sandra was wonderful, dynamic, fun,
feisty. The actress playing Leah was very good, and a hit with the audience.
She has been acting professionally for a few years, and the experience shows
here too. Tony seemed a little weak (but then he is a weak character), and
maybe I'm just a Ben Daniels fan. The young man who played Jamie was
fabulous, I predict he has a great career ahead of him if he keeps it up.
This is his first professional appearance, and the first preview, so I made
allowances for that. But, he was fun to watch, the sort of actor who commands
attention when he walks onto the stage. High energy. The young man playing
Ste is still in high school, with very little experience. Given that he did a
bang-up job, and he is gorgeous with his shirt off, but, his current acting
level is nothing like Scott Neal's. So, he's the weak point, IMO.
The accents were interesting. Last year I was of the opinion that you
couldn't do BT here because no-one could really get the accents right. I was
wrong. Sandra and Jamie's accents were impeccable, although more clearly
spoken that a native might (and therefore more understandable). Ste's accent
kept wavering in and out of midwesternisms - he need to practice a little
more! Tony's accent didn't strike me a quite right - it's very hard, because
his is supposed to have a University educated British accent trying to speak
like an EastEnder...Leah's accent was great as well, and she got the EastEnder
mimicking a American accent very well.
Which reminds me, the "acid-trip" scene works really well in the play, I liked
it better than the movie version. The slap fight between Jamie and his mom
was a highlight, very well done. Jamie is played a little more "femme" than
Glen did in the movie, and I think it works better. The bedroom scenes were
very touching, just as magical as in the film, maybe moreso because they were
live! Sandra's confrontation with Jamie over the trip to the Gloucester was
not as powerful as in the film, but my feeling is this is something that both
actors need to work on, and that they have the potential to do well. It is a
VERY difficult scene, and I can't imagine trying to do it before a live
audience.
Hmm....the pacing could have been tighter, but this was the first preview,
what the heck. If it's still like that at the premier I'll talk to the
director!
Anyhow, Eric, looking forward to seeing you and Jeff in June, you won't be
sorry!
Jay
ps. their website is: http://www.tezcat.com/%7Efdoor/BeautifulThing.html

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:35:12 +1000
From: Andy
Subject: Re: btlist: Beautiful Thing in Chicago

Jay,
Thanks for filling us in on the play. Reading your review brought back so
many memories of when I saw it on stage in Sydney...like accents wavering
in and out and the pacing.
Thanks. Hope to catch you on IRC again sometime.
Andy.

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From: "Kent ."
Subject: Re: btlist: Beautiful Thing in Chicago, Website Update,
Unsubscirbing
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:55:43 PDT

Hi, I wanted to get in several re:'s at once here.
Jay, your thorough and clearly objective review of the play made me even
sorrier I won't be seeing it (although just knowing the London
get-together is so near kinda makes up for it some <G>); but I hope as
many of the btlisters as possible (of the US contingent, anyway) get to
meet up for a wild performance-- I mean of the Play!! This London
rendezvous will be my first-ever "ftf" with someone-- lots of
"someone's"!-- from the 'Net and I am pretty excited about it, let me
tell ya!
Eric, I especially liked the Scott Neal publicity-type photo, and the
(video capture?) of Glen/Jamie smiling near the fence(?) that you
posted. You seem to have quite a supply of previously-unpublished
material! Is the blond guy Jonathan Harvey (or is that a stupid
question)? I guess the answer to both might be "yes!"
About the mail deluge (which, not unusually, has been followed by an
email trickle): as well as finding Keith's and Gary's comments totally
to the point and completely correct, I have a question for all you
computer guys and gals (which-- given the lists' perceived Single
Biggest Flaw-- maybe anybody interested in answering me should do so
individually-- we don't want a lot of repetitive posts)!! On WebTV, I
can only have 150 messages in my inbox, and save 150 more; on my
Hotmail account, I gather I can have 2Mb storage, which depending on
letter length would still be much in excess of 200 messages. So, what
I don't get is-- do the computers also limit how much email you can
have? If you save files to disks, doesn't that free up your email?
It seems like it would be so easy to simply delete a message after you
read it if you don't want to save it, and save it on a floppy if you do.
What's the Big Deal DISadvantage of getting a lot of emails? And we
aren't talking hundreds a day, as at least *one* of us (and you know who
you are! :)) says is possible to get from a single list. I realize
others may subscribe to multiple emailing lists (I am just on the two BT
lists), and have a large number of emails to read daily (or accumulate),
but even so... it doesn't take all that long to go through them-- or
does it?
Sorry to have wasted the time of any kind soul who didn't want to waste
time going through *this* one!
Puzzled Kent
who knows he is missing something here (*besides* his higher brain
functions-- those have been long gone! :)), but can't quite figure out
what it is...

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:57:24 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: btlist: Re: Website Update

At 05:55 PM 5/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Eric, I especially liked the Scott Neal publicity-type photo, and the
>(video capture?) of Glen/Jamie smiling near the fence(?) that you
>posted. You seem to have quite a supply of previously-unpublished
>material! Is the blond guy Jonathan Harvey (or is that a stupid
>question)? I guess the answer to both might be "yes!"
Ian has been sending me this latest stuff, and he hasn't told me where he
is getting it. That's not a video capture of Jamie at the fence (no such
scene appears in the film... you should know that!!) but a between scenes
publicity picture. And yes, that Blond guy is Jonathan! And no, that's not
a stupid question.
Laters,
Eric

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