Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:12:23 -0400
From: "Keith
Subject: Re: btlist: Beautiful Thing in Chicago, Website Update,
Unsubscirbing

Kent,
To answer your question (I hope), computers handle email very similar to WebTV, the
only difference being, most mail programs "download" the email to the local hard drive
when you read your email, thus clearing out you email inbox, and saving it locally so you can
go back and read it at anytime. Once downloaded to your hard drive, the only limit to
how much email you can store is how big your hard drive is. (See, size *does* matter, like
I said ;) For example, my email folder contains ~ 3000 stored messages, and is occupying
60 mb. Storage space won't be a problem anytime soon. Hope that helps. I think people
that don't like the email are more concerned with checking their email every few days, and
depending how many lists they're on, having literally hundreds of messages to plow through.
It can leave one a little overwhelmed, which is why I don't subscribe to every list I come
across.
Keith

>>> "Kent ." <btfan 05/19/98 07:55PM >>>
About the mail deluge (which, not unusually, has been followed by an
email trickle): as well as finding Keith's and Gary's comments totally
to the point and completely correct, I have a question for all you
computer guys and gals (which-- given the lists' perceived Single
Biggest Flaw-- maybe anybody interested in answering me should do so
individually-- we don't want a lot of repetitive posts)!! On WebTV, I
can only have 150 messages in my inbox, and save 150 more; on my
Hotmail account, I gather I can have 2Mb storage, which depending on
letter length would still be much in excess of 200 messages. So, what
I don't get is-- do the computers also limit how much email you can
have? If you save files to disks, doesn't that free up your email?
It seems like it would be so easy to simply delete a message after you
read it if you don't want to save it, and save it on a floppy if you do.
What's the Big Deal DISadvantage of getting a lot of emails? And we
aren't talking hundreds a day, as at least *one* of us (and you know who
you are! :)) says is possible to get from a single list. I realize
others may subscribe to multiple emailing lists (I am just on the two BT
lists), and have a large number of emails to read daily (or accumulate),
but even so... it doesn't take all that long to go through them-- or
does it?
Sorry to have wasted the time of any kind soul who didn't want to waste
time going through *this* one!
Puzzled Kent
who knows he is missing something here (*besides* his higher brain
functions-- those have been long gone! :)), but can't quite figure out
what it is...

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:16:01 -0400
From: "Keith
Subject: btlist: A question

OK, eveyone, this is slightly off topic (well, ok, its way off topic, but I'll ask it anyway)
I was watching In and Out last night, and at the end when the first kid stands up at graduation
and says he's gay, are we supposed to believe he really is coming out, or is he just trying
to show support for Kevin Klein's character? I know that everyone after him is just showing
support, but can't figure out if he is really supposed to be gay or not. Any opinions?
Keith

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From: "Kent ."
Subject: Re: btlist: Re: Website Update, Re: KeithB
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:20:10 PDT

On "today", Eric helpfully replied:
>Ian has been sending me this latest stuff, and he hasn't told me where
he
>is getting it. That's not a video capture of Jamie at the fence (no
such
>scene appears in the film... you should know that!!)
Err, you should believe me if I say I *did* know it wasn't from the
movie-- (not that I really was 100% sure when I asked the question!),
but at least that way I'll feel so much better <G>. And I could even
try to get out of it by saying I thought it might possibly have been a
video capture-- from someone's "home-made video" taken *during* the
filming, but that would be fibbing cause I didn't think that...
Forgive me with the questions, but Ian who? (Anyway, Hi, Ian! Great
picture!)
Thanks Keith, for the detailed explanation about computer email
(someday, maybe, I will actually own a computer!).
As for the In and Out question, I thought the kid was hinted at being
gay earlier in the movie,but as I haven't seen it lately, I can't give a
concrete example of why I had that impression.
Kent

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:04:00 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: A question

At 09:16 AM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>OK, eveyone, this is slightly off topic (well, ok, its way off topic, but
I'll ask it anyway)
>
>I was watching In and Out last night, and at the end when the first kid
stands up at graduation
>and says he's gay, are we supposed to believe he really is coming out, or
is he just trying
>to show support for Kevin Klein's character?
When I saw it, I assumed it was just a show of support. There's no way to
know if that first kid was really gay or not.
-Eric

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:11:49 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: Website Update!

>Eric, I *HAD* to write and tell you WOW! about the pics!!! PLOP!!!
Cool down, girl! ;-)
>
>I love the way you end your posts: "AND... There's more to come!!!"
>That's what I call Cliffhanger, my friend!!! <shudders>
Because... so far... I've still got more stuff coming. A special little
feature treat is coming to my site this summer (6 months in the planning,
so I hope ya'll like it!) and more stuff in general seems to crop up from
time to time, and people (thankfully) send it on to me. We can call thank
Ian for some of the latest pix!
Oh, and do check out the website for the Chicago production of BT
http://www.tezcat.com/%7Efdoor/BeautifulThing.html
There are some pix there.... their Ste is very easy on the eyes!
AND... there's MORE to come! ;-)
-Eric

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:16:29 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: Re: Website Update, Re: Keith

At 06:20 AM 5/20/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Forgive me with the questions, but Ian who? (Anyway, Hi, Ian! Great
>picture!)
To tell you the truth, I don't exactly know who Ian is, or even if he is on
the list. He is just a very nice person who sends me great stuff from the
UK! Ian lately suggested that I may have to rename my pix page to "Ian's
Page." If he keeps this up, I'll have to! :-)
-Eric

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From: Hannes_
Date: Wed, 20 May 98 15:25:45 MET
Subject: RE: btlist: A question

At first (the first time I saw the movie), I thought he WAS actually coming out,
but when I saw it the second time (relax, I only saw it twice!), I already knew
the outcome, and it didn't have the same effect on me (i.e., I didn't think he
was coming out anymore). But still, my sixth sense usually isn't wrong about
things like this (it's about the only thing it's used for ! ;) ). My vote is
that the kid actually WAS gay, and stood up to say so to support Klein, but the
rest of (straight) society jumped on the bandwagon, and made for a touching
ending.
Remember, he never said he was gay *because he was a student of the Klein
character*, whereas the rest did (in some way or another).
Whew!
How's that for analysis?!
Hannes
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 2:19 PM
Subject: btlist: A question
<< File: RFC822.TXT >> OK, eveyone, this is slightly off topic (well, ok, its
way off topic, but I'll
ask it anyway)
I was watching In and Out last night, and at the end when the first kid stands
up at graduation
and says he's gay, are we supposed to believe he really is coming out, or is he
just trying
to show support for Kevin Klein's character? I know that everyone after him is
just showing
support, but can't figure out if he is really supposed to be gay or not. Any
opinions?
Keith

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From: jmcs
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:31:45 +0000
Subject: Re: btlist: Website Update!

Hi again!!
Eric, I *HAD* to write and tell you WOW! about the pics!!! That Scott
picture (you all know which!!!) had me showering for almost two hours.
Then I noticed I had taken the picture with me to the shower, that was why
the shower was taking no effect!!!!!! PLOP!!!
I love the way you end your posts: "AND... There's more to come!!!"
That's what I call Cliffhanger, my friend!!! <shudders>

Take care.
Sandra.

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From: Gayamigo
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:49:02 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: A question

It was kind of ambiguous, but I think he was straight and just showing
support. Kline's character was a real freind to the kid (driving him to his
college interview, etc.), so the kid probably just couldn't stand to see
Kline's career ruined at the graduation, so he impulsively said what he did.
Just my opinion!

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:11:24 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: Re: btlist: A question

Keith wrote:
>
> OK, eveyone, this is slightly off topic (well, ok, its way off topic, but I'll ask it anyway)
>
> I was watching In and Out last night, and at the end when the first kid stands up at graduation
> and says he's gay, are we supposed to believe he really is coming out, or is he just trying
> to show support for Kevin Klein's character? I know that everyone after him is just showing
> support, but can't figure out if he is really supposed to be gay or not. Any opinions?
>
Interesting question. I saw the film when it was in theaters and, this
past weekend, I watched it on Primestar's pay-per-view and I taped it.
This second time through I paid more attention to that one boy earlier
on in the film and I suspect that he might actually be coming out,
although the others in the scene are clearly attempting to make a point
against discrimination. Remember that a gay man, Paul Rudnick, wrote the
script for the movie. And it seemed to me that there are hints - very,
very subtle ones - about this boy in earlier scenes in the film.
Just as we've speculated (and even written) about what happens to Jamie
and Ste after the BT story ends on film, it's interesting to speculate
as to what happens to this boy after "In and Out" ends. After all, he's
got a scholarship to college, he's leaving home and going to a
moderately large university. Interesting to speculate about.
Gary
--

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From: Tea1
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:11:52 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: A question

In reference to "In and Out"; I believe that first boy is saying "I'm gay" in
support of Kevin Kline's character. Certainly that's the context in which I
noticed it.
See ya, Bert

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From: Sven
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:26:22 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: A question

That's a tough one. I believe that the young man (played by Shawn Hatosy) is
actually straight, though I'm only thinking this because of his reactions
earlier in the film. However, he does seem very serious when he says that
he's gay. Only the writers know for sure.
Anyone else?
Steve

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From: Donald
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:23:53 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: A question

I think that young person is really coming out, and the rest of the kids are
showing support for not only the teacher, but also their fellow class mate.
This is just my opinion--take it for what its worth.
Donald

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:26:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donald
Subject: Re: btlist: A question

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Gary wrote:
> Keith  wrote:
> >
> > OK, eveyone, this is slightly off topic (well, ok, its way off topic, but I'll ask it anyway)
> >
> > I was watching In and Out last night, and at the end when the first kid stands up at graduation
> > and says he's gay, are we supposed to believe he really is coming out, or is he just trying
> > to show support for Kevin Klein's character? I know that everyone after him is just showing
> > support, but can't figure out if he is really supposed to be gay or not. Any opinions?
> >
> Interesting question. I saw the film when it was in theaters and, this
> past weekend, I watched it on Primestar's pay-per-view and I taped it.
> This second time through I paid more attention to that one boy earlier
> on in the film and I suspect that he might actually be coming out,
> although the others in the scene are clearly attempting to make a point
> against discrimination. Remember that a gay man, Paul Rudnick, wrote the
> script for the movie. And it seemed to me that there are hints - very,
> very subtle ones - about this boy in earlier scenes in the film.
>
> Just as we've speculated (and even written) about what happens to Jamie
> and Ste after the BT story ends on film, it's interesting to speculate
> as to what happens to this boy after "In and Out" ends. After all, he's
> got a scholarship to college, he's leaving home and going to a
> moderately large university. Interesting to speculate about.
>
> Gary
> --
>
If he's not gay, then he's dug himself a big hole that will haunt him for
a long while. It's not something to be triffled with.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:08:45 +1000
From: Andy
Subject: btlist: BT-Stories Fan Fiction Archive Update

Hello BT fans, and fiction readers,
Here is this weeks archive update information.
*New Look
*New Stories
*Awards
*Statistics
*Writers Tip
New Look
--------
This week we gave the archive a make-over. Gone is the green (as nice as it
was!) and in with the 'virginal' white. You'll also notice a new banner
that incorporates a new logo.

New Stories
-----------
It's been a big week for stories sent in to the mailing list. Most of them
have made it to this weeks web site update. Jean has sent in more of the
"Gravesend" story...an alternative part 9 starts you off and goes all the
way through to part 14. Sandra sent in "Love at First Sight". It's in
Spanish but for the rest of us Jean has kindly done an English translation.
New writer-holic Joshua has been on the stories list only a week and has
several parts ready of his story(s). Joshy's stories are hosted at his own
web site but we've added links for you to find them. Kent concludes his
"Wet" story this week with part 7. And finally, Graham's part 5 and 6 of
"The Club" are now online.

Awards
------
Yesterday the archive picked up it's 4th award. This time Ravi's Elite Site
Awards has given us the nod. Here's part of the notification...
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:07:59 -0700
From: (removed)
Subject: Elite Site Award WINNER!
Congratulations! Your Web site has been selected to win an Elite
Site Award. This award signifies that your site contains quality
content and has skillful design. Your site has been chosen by me, Ravi, to
be an "elite" site.
What is the purpose of this award? It is to signify that your site
has been judged to contain quality content, design and HTML expertise. By
displaying the award on your site, you are notifying your visitors that
your site is among the best of the Web. For only the best have a chance to
win such a prestigious award. I make sure that this is so, by carefully
checking every nominated page.
<remainder snipped>
--
BT-Stories will soon have an Awards page for our trophies. Past awards
include a Rainbow Award with a listing in the Teens section at
gayamerica.com, an Innovation Award and listing from Personnal Connections
and a Gold Site Award from Gayseek.
And a reminder that if you haven't voted for BT-Stories in the Totally Cool
Queer Site Awards, NOW is the time to do it. This one is different from the
others, in that it's a popularity award. Goto:
http://www.rainbowzone.com/Awards/Info/community.shtml#entertain
Statistics
----------
Visitors 1189
Daily Average 18
Guestbook 12
Stories 26

Writers Tip
-----------
Having trouble with the English slang? Keep this resource handy when next
time you're story writing ain't that pucka! The Beautiful Thing Slang
Dictionary will help you out...(courtesy of Ralf).

Finally, if anyone finds any errors or broken links due to the 'makeover'
please let me know by emailing me direct... <ajs@vision.net.au>
Thanks to ALL the writers for such wonderful stories. Take care...
Andy.
Archive Admin.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:59:16 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: btlist: So, here's another web update

Okay, a small update to my site:

I've added a picture of the Italina BT movie poster. Just found it today.
I've never seen it before, and it's quite different from any of the others.
(Pix.... Posters). I also added a link to a website in the US that
sometimes has Beautiful Thing posters in stock, for those interested in
buying them.
AND... there's more to come!
-Eric

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:25:17 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: btlist: BT on Sundance Channel in June!!

According to the new issue of Genre, cable (and satellite) Sundance
Channel will be showing _17_ gay themed films in June, including, yes,
Beautiful Thing!
I had a suspicion that, if any American cable channel would carry BT, it
would be Sundance. Sundance normally goes heavy on gay-themed films in
June, Pride month.
So for American members of the list, now is the time to find friends,
heck, even enemies you can befriend <G>, who have Sundance Channel so
you can watch (and, of course, tape) BT in June.
Gary
--

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From: Gayamigo
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:12:01 EDT
Subject: btlist: Other great movies

Hello all,
After I saw BT recently I began a search for other great gay coming of age
stories on film but haven't had a lot of luck. I was wondering if any of you
could make some suggestions.
I did see Boy's Life and would highly reccomend that. I've heard Toilers and
Wayfarers is good also.
Even coming of age films without a strong gay theme would be worth checking
out if they're good. For example, on Saturday May 23rd the Bravo cable network
will be rerunning a movie called "Reunion" at 3pm est. It's a coming of age
story set before WWII... no gay characters, but one of the lead boys is
extremely cute.
BT lover in Florida

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 16:27:32 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: btlist: BT will be on American Cable TV in June!

Hi,
Yes! The Sundance Channel celebrates Gay Pride Month with a Gay-themed
movie every day in June. See films like Hettie MacDonald's "Beautiful
Thing," Todd Haynes' "Poison," Cyril Collard's "Savage Nights," Randal
Kleiser's "It's My Party," and Gregg Araki's "Totally F***ed Up."

http://www.sundancechannel.com
(When I checked, June's schedule was not yet posted.)
Now, let's HOPE they broadcast it w-i-d-e-s-c-r-e-e-n!!
-Eric

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From: "Graham"
Subject: btlist: Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:53:31 +0100

tester, where's the list
Graham

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From: "Graham"
Subject: btlist: Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:53:31 +0100

tester, where's the list
Graham

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:42:11 +0200
From: Andre
Subject: software update out of control

Hi fellow listmembers,
Several of you have written to me about the fact that btlist and btfanlist went silent all of a sudden.
Apparently baremetal.com, the service where the lists are running, did an update of the list-software,

and they have come accross several problems concerning our lists. (badly converted config files,

bad directory structures, etc...)
I assure you that everything needed will be done to get the lists up and running again.
In the meantime I'd like to apologise for any inconvenience caused by all of this, and hope that you

all will remain as patient as you have been the last couple of days.

Since I don't have a memberlist of the stories list: if you know a person that is on the list,

please forward this email to them to let them know what's happening...
I'll be in touch.
Andre

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:30:43 -0700
From: root

testing

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:52:03 -0700
From: "Kevin
Subject: btlist: CANCEL - PLEASE

CAN ANYBODY PLEASE HELP ME TO CANCEL THIS SUBSCRIPTION??? I cancelled before
the list went down last year and have NEVER ASKED TO BE RE-ADDED - I am very
happy for EVERYONE who enjoys this list, but I can't take all the excess
"junk" e-mail about this show....
PLEASE SOMEONE GET ME OFF THIS LIST....
THANKS!!!!

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:35:24 +0200
From: Andre
Subject: btlist: ADMIN:Problems solved!

Hi folks!
As you can see, the problems appear to have been resolved, everything should be in good

working order now.
Here's what was going on:
baremetal.com (the domain which the mailing lists run on) decided to update their

mailing-list software.
They decided to go for a new package, and needed to convert all configuration files

accordingly.
The main reason for btlist and btfanlist dying was that initially they forgot to include our lists in the

configuration, resulting in the 'disappearance' of the two lists.
When we pointed out to them that something was wrong, staff quickly jumped in, did a manual

adaptation of the configuration files, and notified us that the lists were up again.
Well, in a way they were, but all sorts of weird thing happened. This resulted in an extensive e-mail

exchange with support, and several staff members jumping in to solve the problem.
Apparently (since you are reading this, everything MUST be right again) all the typo's in the

config file have been removed, and I'm currently revising the list configuration files, to make

sure that they are in perfect order.
So allthough it has taken some time, everything is just fine right now, and we can go back to

doing what we like to do, which is posting to btlist and the fan fiction archive. (btfanlist)
Thanx again for your patience!

Andre

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:32:09 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: btlist: Another BT play production

Hiya All,
This time, it's in the UK:
Absolute Banana Theatre
Edinburgh Fringe
Venue 123
Southbridge Resource Centre
Infirmary St, Edinburgh
9th August 98 to 22 August 98 at 13:15 each
day (except Sunday 16).
Ticket prices: 6 UK pounds, 4 UK pounds
concessions.
Ticket inquiries: Peter
From July, tickets will be available at the
Festival Fringe Box Office, and starting in
August, at the Venue.

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:06:50 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: btlist: More website updates
Thanks to Ian, I have more pictures in the Pix section. Look in the Video
section and the Scenes section.

Enjoy!
More to come!
-Eric

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From: "Kent ."
Subject: Re: btlist: Beautiful Thing in Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:09:16 PDT
Hi, Jay!
I am soooo envious that you talked that much with Jonathan Harvey, but
very glad you got to mention our little group's existence to him and the
cast-- and especially grateful you took the time to tell us about your
experience! I bet, once US cable shows the film, even if in the
lesser-known realm of the Sundance movie channel, BT will experience
another upsurge of interest-- and once it's been on cable, PBS will
hopefully follow someday, to an even wider US audience.
Thanks also to Eric, for his latest additions-- having the slang
dictionary readily accessible is a very good idea, I think.
Kent

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From: JP
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:29:41 EDT
Subject: btlist: Beautiful Thing in Chicago
Hiya BTers,
I've gotta be brief again, but (now that it appears the list is back up), I
wanted to
let you know that I attended the premier of Beautiful Thing in Chicago last
Thursday
(May 21st) (thank you eric, for insisting that I should go). You may remember
that
I also went to the first preview, and sent a brief review to the list last
week.
The premiere was attended by press, friends of the players, and, to my
surprise and delight, JONATHAN HARVEY himself! I had the privilege of talking
with him for over an hour afterwards at a reception that was held in an
English Pub nearby. I also spoke with the director and most of the actors.
They were all amazed and delighted to hear about the fan club!
I had spotted Jonathan in the lobby before the play started, and watched him
out of the corner of my eye during the performance to see how he was reacting
to the acting, and to his own play. He was all smiles the entire time. The
audience (mostly str8, many of whom apparently did not know anything about the
plot beforehand) loved it as well.
Jonathan told me that when he arrived the day before and attended a rehersal
he had initially had a hard time with the accents and that he had worked all
day with the cast on their speech patterns and on slowing down, relaxing,
speaking from the heart. The results were evident at the premier, and the
actors acknowledged this to me as well (that Jonathan's coaching had made a
big difference).
Of the preview I had noted in my last post:
> Hmm....the pacing could have been tighter, but this was the first preview,
> what the heck. If it's still like that at the premier I'll talk to the
> director!
Didn't have to! Jonathan had already taken care of that. The pacing was very
close to perfect...the play "felt" like the play, so much that I found that I
could forget about the mechanics and get into the feeling, the "magic" of the
play. It was a realy Beautiful Thing experience! And, the actors had
"gotten over" the accents, so that, even if they weren't perfect, they were
believable within the "world" of the play.

> Sandra's confrontation with Jamie over the trip to the Gloucester was
> not as powerful as in the film, but my feeling is this is something that
> both actors need to work on, and that they have the potential to do well.
The scene was much much better at the premier...This time Sandra actually
touched and caressed her son, and the tenderness of the scene was more fully
developed.
Well, that's all I have time for now... Looking forward to our big BT party
here on the 6th...so far 4 guys are coming in from various points in the US,
and the cast of BT is eagerly awaiting the arrival of the "fan club"!
Jay

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:51:11 +0200
From: Andre
Subject: Welcome!
Precedence: bulk
Hiya peeps!
Thanx to Kent and Sandra, who on-line were discussing the future of the mailing list, I learned about the problems of the older list.
We then decided, on-line, that it would be an wise decision to transfer the
list to someplace else, since Chris obviously lacks the time right now to
solve these problems. I would like to thank Chris for his efforts, and hope
that he will remain ADMIN for the list even though it has been transferred to
another system.
As the problems mentioned above have persisted for quite some time, I would
like to know if any of you people would like a resubmission of the last
couple of messages, since it's conceivable that not everyone on the list got
the last messages.
What I would like each and everyone of you to do is send the last message you
have on your system to
owner-btlist@tenr.com
to enable me to make an inventory of who got which message last.
Also this would give me an opportunity to check if the list is really alive,
i.e. that everyone gets the mail submitted to this new list.
So please oblige me, and send your last received message on the OLD list
Please don't send the message to the new list, as we might create several
duplicates that way...

thanx
BTAndre

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:14:22 +0100
From: Andre
Subject: 2nd annual celebration of genereal release of BT in UK
Hi there, member of the BT fanclub!

In June this year the BT fanclub once again will arrange a meeting in London, to celebrate the

fact that the general release of BT took place 2 years ago.
Marc (Anderson) and I have worked out the following timetable:

June 13th 1998
11:00We meet at the Goucester to get acquainted, have something to drink,
and perhaps a little bite to eat...
If ppl would want, they could also go for a brisk walk thru the park.
'Legs astride the meridian' so to speak....
13:00We leave for a 1 Mile walk to the Cutty Sark pub, which featured as
'The Anchor' in the film.
Marc Anderson and his lovely wife Sarah Jayne will meet us there.
14:00We will leave for Thamesmead on the 180 bus.
Off course we will ride on the top deck, so we can see all the beautiful
sights en route...
15:00We arrive in Thamesmead East and get off the bus at the first stop.
Marc and Sarah will do the tour, and tell us all there is to know about
the filming of Beautiful Thing.
17:00We will return to the Gloucester where Graeme hopefully has prepared
a scrumptious meal for us.
19:00We all dig in to whatever Graeme has prepared for us...
21:00The Gloucester is not only a 'pub' but they also provide great
entertainment. I'm not sure what they'll have in store for us,
but you may assume it'll be worth wile!
23:00The Gloucester will close for the night, so we need to go elsewhere.
We're thinking about visiting Oxley woods, and maybe creating some
remakes of the kissing scene between Jamie and Ste.
??:??We leave for our hotel: the Swallow Hotel at BexleyHeath, which is
actually quite near Oxley Woods (only a 30 min bus ride away, by
night bus)

June 14th 1998
11:00We have great plans for this afternoon!
Obviously we don't wanna spoil the surprise, but it has got something to do
with Beautiful Thing.
It will be near Central London, so we need to leave early, to get there in time.
We will leave by bus for Greenwich and will board a Thames cruiser, to float
us to central London, where we will get off, hopefully somewhere near
London Bridge.
Near London Bridge we will witness a very special occasion, if all goes
well (hopefully)
16:00About this time we will leave for some free time....
We reccomend doing a tour through SOHO, not forgetting to visit
Old Compton Road, and the Old Compton itself, as well as
Divine and several other nice shops and pubs in the area.
22:00For those who are staying another night, this is the time to visit
Heaven. Don't worry about a dress-code, they don't have one...
Just be decent, that's all they want from you. And remember,
drinks are expensive there, so look your cutest and have others
provide drinks for you!
An updated version of this timetable can be found on

We intend to book rooms at the Swallow Hotel in BexleyHeath, a brandnew hotel,
which hopefully will do us a bit of a discount.
If you would like to take advantage of this (at this moment purely
hypothetical) discount, or would like to book through us, please drop us a
line so we'd know what to expect. Also if you intend to attend to the program
on the 13th and 14th of june, please let us know, so we know how many there
will be for dinner at the Gloucester.
Remember that this will probably be your last chance to visit the Tavy Bridge
area (Thamesmead) in its present state, since huge remodelling is going to
take place starting next September. This also means that we will make this a
very special occasion, and plan to do lots of exciting things with lots of
exciting people.... <g>
Furthermore, if you have ANY ideas as to what we could do during the meet,
please tell us, we will be happy to try and arrange anything you would like,
though I'm sure that most of that is already planned for..... :-)
More info?
Look at the weblocation above, or drop us a line!

See y'all later
Andre

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:55:52 +0200
From: Andre
Subject: Fw: Re: Inquiry
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From: mail
Date: 4/22/98, 12:31:50 PM
Subject: Re: Inquiry
Hi Andre
I'm sure how much help we can be, but I'll send you a listing of the
accommodation we have on offer. They are mainly small one or two
bedroom places. If you think you can work with what we have then do
e-mail us back or give us a call so we can work something out.
Welcome To-Welcome Homes!

Thank you for contacting Accommodation Outlet with your holiday enquiry.
There are two options here, which either way, work out cheaper than Hotels.
The first is to stay at a centrally located home, which you will share
with an experienced host.
The second option is to rent out a Holiday Flat, which you would have all
to yourself.
These are all approved Outlet homes and excellent value - this is an
Economical and private way of spending your holiday in London in a
welcoming environment.
For future reference, we are currently visiting new properties and taking on
new Flats all of the
time, so please call to keep updated. Also don't forget that you can see
pictures of our Flats on our excellent web site ! www.outlet.co.uk
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SHARED ACCOMMODATION
No. 4 Westminster - SW1
Nearest Tube Station: Victoria Station, Victoria and District Line
Location: Located in Westminster - right in the heart of London's most famous
tourist
attractions ( Buckingham Palace - St. James Park - Downing Street - The
Houses of Parliament - Westminster Abbey and Westminster Cathedral are all
within 5 mins walking distance ) plus a five minute bus journey places you
right in the heart of Soho and the West End.
Interior: A bright modern studio room is offered - Two built in double
wardrobes, TV,
video plus your own telephone line ( incoming calls only ) A very high
standard of accommodation at excellent value.
Full use of shared facilities including a fully fitted kitchen with basic
food supplies, large entrance hall with dining table that can sit up to 6
people, bathroom and separate WC.
Duration: Minimum 3 nightsMaximum - None

No. 4 Westminster - continued
Prices Per Night
1 Person - £40
2 people - £50

Prices Per Week
1 Person - £200
2 People - £250

No. 5 Highbury & Islington - N1
Nearest Tube Station: Highbury & Islington, on the Victoria line
Location: Located in zone two on the Victoria Line this accommodation is well
situated for Highbury & Islington which is very popular with the lesbian
and gay community therefore Highbury, Islington and Angel have their fare
share of gay bars, clubs, cafes and shops. Upper Street, which is the main
street between Highbury and Angel is fast becoming a well known place in
London for fashionable, trendy bars and restaurants.
Interior: A clean spacious and comfortable houseshare that is located in a
quiet and
residential street. The accommodation includes full use of shared facilities
such as kitchen that has basic food supplies, shower and bathroom.
The property is a couple of minutes by bus to the Highbury & Islington and
Angel Underground stations which - once on the train - would take you a
further 10 minutes to get into the West End
Duration: Minimum - NoneMaximum - None
Prices Per Night
1 Person - £30.00
2 People -£40.00
3 People - £60.00
Prices Per Week
1 Person - £210.00
2 People - £280.00
3 People - £420.00

No 23 ; Highbury

Nearest Tube; Arsenal
Location; In the 'village-like' Highbury. A safe, comfortable area of
Islington.
Close to Highbury Fields with Tennis Courts, Leisure Centre, Open Air
Festivals
and activities. Also nearby are Islingtons' famous restaurants and Gay Life.
Rooms; Enormous 3 bed flat with living room, dining room, which features a
Grand Piano and table and chairs, which seat up to 8 people. Modern fitted
kitchen
shower room, bathroom and two small double bedrooms and one very large double
bedroom.
Interior; Very spacious and well equipped. Bedrooms feature natural wooden
floors. Some rooms have been freshly decorated.
Part of an elegant Victorian terrace that would be perfect for large parties
or people looking
for a relaxing base to go sight seeing.
Duration ; No minimum.
Prices Per Night;
Small double rooms are £45 per night for 1 or 2 people.
Large double is £65 per night.
This property can be rented out completely or on a shared basis.
SELF CONTAINED HOLIDAY FLATS

No 3 Highbury & Islington - N1
Nearest Tube Station: Highbury & Islington, on the Victoria line
Location: Located in zone 2 on the Victoria Line this accommodation is well
situated for Highbury & Islington which is very popular with the lesbian
and gay community therefore Highbury, Islington and Angel have their fare
share of gay bars, clubs, cafes and shops. Upper Street, which is the main
Street between Highbury and Angel, is fast becoming a well known place in
London for fashionable, trendy bars and restaurants.
Interior: A fabulous self contained one bedroom garden flat with living room,
double
bedroom, bathroom, separate WC, very well maintained garden plus kitchen with
table, chairs and basic food supplies. This is excellent value and a good
base for any holidaymaker planning a week or so in London. This property is
clean and comfortable and can sleep up to four people.
(the sofa folds out to a double bed)
Duration: Minimum - 3 nightsMaximum - 3 weeks
Price Per Night
1 Person -#40
2 People - #50
3 People -#65

No 3 Highbury & Islington - continued
Prices Per Week
1 Person -#280
2 People -#320
3 People -#400

No 16 Chelsea
Nearest Tube Station Earls Court ; Picadilly & District Line.
Location ; Situated just off the famous Kings Road with its restaurants and
shops,
this newly refurbished flat is only a 30 second walk to the River Thames.
It is a 10-min bus ride to Harrods or Soho.
Rooms ; One double room with double bed and spacious sitting room/kitchenette.
Bedroom has en suite bathroom.
Interior ; Newly furnished, new carpets, new curtains, complete new bathroom
with
Bath Jacuzzi.. Their are fitted wardrobes plus Cable TV, brand new washing
machine and cooker.
Duration ; Minimum 3 nights.
Continued..........
1 person - #55
2 people - #75
3 people - #90
Price Per Week;
1 person #320
2 person #400
3 people #500

No 19 Oxford Circus
Nearest Tube Station: Oxford Circus: Victoria and Bakerloo line.
Location: Only a ten-minute walk from Oxford Circus to the heart of the West
End and some of the greatest shopping in Britain. This flat is situated just
off Regent Street and a five minute walk to Soho and London's gay life.
Rooms: Double bed in the main room and separate kitchen and bathroom.
No 19 Oxford Circus - continued
Interior: This ideal studio flat is newly decorated with all new furnishings.
Very clean and comfortable. Washer & Dryer, TV and stereo.
Duration: Minimum - 3 nightsMaximum - None
Prices Per Night
1 Person - 60
2 People - 75
Prices Per Week
1 Person - 360

No. 22 Westminster - SW1
Nearest Tube Station: Victoria Station, Victoria and District Line
Location: Great location with some of London's most popular tourist
attractions ( Buckingham Palace - St. James Park - Downing Street - The
Houses Of Parliament - Westminster Abbey and Westminster Cathedral are all
within 5 mins walking distance ) plus a five minute bus journey places you
right in the heart of Soho and the West End.
Interior: Spacious modern interior. The flat is part of an elegant Mansion
Building and has
its own entrance outside. Their are two very large studio rooms available
both with TV/Video, plus your own telephone line ( incoming calls only ) A
very high standard of accommodation at excellent value. Large entrance hall
with dining table that can sit up to 6 people, bathroom and separate WC.
Easily sleeps 4 people.
Price per night -#100.
Price per week - #560.

No.28 SOHO
Nearest Tube Station; Tottenham Court Road/Leicester

Location Located in the very heart of Gay Soho! Old Compton street is at the
bottom of the Street and Oxford Street at the top! All the gay bars and clubs
are within a minutes walk, as are Leicester square and also Piccadilly Circus.
The area is very vibrant and some of London's most famous Restaurants are on
the same street as the Flat.
Rooms This is an excellent compact Studio flat, with separate bathroom and
kitchen. There is a sofa bed in the room, plus TV, and very modern
furnishings. The windows go from one end of the room to the other. Two
leather armchairs. Tea and coffee provided.
Duration; Available from Thursdays until Sundays (you can check out, up to 6
in the evening) Occasionally, the flat may be available for longer. Please
contact Outlet for details.

Prices per night £75 per night for 1 or 2 people.

Ref 31 Stoke Newington
Nearest Tube Seven Sisters or Number 73 Bus stops outside the Flat.
Location Situated in zone 2, with lots of transport taking you to the West
End. You have the option of the 73 bus which stops every 5-10 minutes outside
the flat, or you have the option of seven Sisters Tube, or there is Stoke
Newington British Rail, which takes you to Liverpool Street in about 10 mins,
also across the Road from the flat. There are numerous Restaurants in the
area. There is a major supermarket next to the flat on the right and also a
24 hour garage right next to it on the left. Very clean and tidy with modern
decor. White walls throughout.
Interior This is a purpose built one bed room flat, situated on the third
floor of a block
of 4. There is also lift provided. The block was built in the 1930's. The
living room features an Art Deco Cocktail Bar, plus TV and Video, also there
is a sofa bed in the living room, as well as a double pine bed in the bedroom.
The kitchen is fully equipped. The building is in a block of flats, but it is
very clean-well maintained and safe. Ideal for people travelling on a budget.
Tea/Coffee/Spare bed linen provided.

Duration No minimum.
Prices Per night For One Person or Two £30
Prices Per Week For One or Two £160
Prices Per night For Three or Four £40
Prices Per week For Three or Four £200

No 23 ; Highbury

Nearest Tube; Arsenal
Location; In the 'village-like' Highbury. A safe, comfortable area of
Islington.
Close to Highbury Fields with Tennis Courts, Leisure Centre, Open Air
Festivals
and activities. Also nearby are Islingtons' famous restaurants and Gay Life.
Rooms; Enormous 3 bed flat with living room, dining room, which features a
Grand Piano and table and chairs, which seat up to 8 people. Modern fitted
kitchen
shower room, bathroom and two small double bedrooms and one very large double
bedroom.
Interior; Very spacious and well equipped. Bedrooms feature natural wooden
floors. Some rooms have been freshly decorated.
Part of an elegant Victorian terrace that would be perfect for large parties
or people looking
for a relaxing base to go sight seeing.
Sleeps Easily up to 8 people
Duration ; No minimum.
Prices Per Night;

For the whole flat £100 Rooms can be rented out separately for £45 per room.
This property can be rented out completely or on a shared basis.

Reference 34 - Oxford Street Flat
Closest Tube Oxford Circus
Nearest Tube: Oxford Circus/Tottenham Court Rd. Victoria, Central, Northern
Lines
Location: This is a two-room penthouse flat situated in the more Residential
side of Soho. Ideal for those who enjoy Soho nightlife but want to be within
5 mins walk of home. The house can sleep up to 4 people.
Interior: Kitchen is fully fitted and equipped with microwave, food processor,
juicer, waste disposal, etc. Bathroom has both shower and bath and includes
the utility cupboard with washer and dryer. Bedroom 1 has a sofa, work desk
and chair, a pine double bed and wardrobe space.
Bedroom 2 (Living room) has a double futon-bed, dining table and chairs, TV
and video with cable. Flat sleeps up to 4 people.
Price per night - £50 per room
Complete Flat per night - £85
Price per week - £350
Complete flat per week - £550
This flat may be taken on a self-contained or shared basis
Ref 35 - Bloomsbury Studio Flat
Closest Tube Russell Square
Location
Situated right opposite Russell Square. It is approximately a ten-minute walk
to
Soho. You have the rare luxury of a quiet area in London, that is a short
walk away from
The hub of activity in the West End. There is a food supermarket around the
corner.
Interior
This is a small compact studio flat, with very modern décor. It has 24-hour
portage,
Plus lift to the first floor, if required. It is open plan with a fully
equipped kitchen. The bathroom features a power shower. The bed folds down
>from the wall to create
More space. Basic food supplies will be left for you. There is a stereo in
the room, plus
Chrome art deco stand up fan.
Prices Per Night £45 for 1 person.
£55 for 2 people.

Accommodation Outlet
Telephone: +44 (0) 171 287 4244 FAX: +44 (0) 171 287 4247
http://www.outlet.co.uk

Andre  wrote:
Beautiful-Thing|
Hello,
Beautiful-Thing|
Beautiful-Thing| I'm the coordinator of a group of Beautiful-Thing fans (a
film by Hettie MacDonald, you might have heard about it) who have planned a
fanmeet in London on june 12/13/14/15.
Beautiful-Thing|
Beautiful-Thing| We are looking for cheap accomotation for that period, but
having said that, we also need it to be somewhat flexible.
Beautiful-Thing| The problem is that we are at this time not sure how many
ppl we need to accomodate, and for how many nights.
Beautiful-Thing| the group may vary from 10 to anything above 20, but 10 ppl
definitely need accomodation.
Beautiful-Thing| The dutch contingent, the only group I really have insight
in (7 of them) will def. stay all three nights (12-13 / 13-14 / 14-15 june)
Beautiful-Thing| The german and UK guys attending (def. 3) havent been able
to inform me about thier schedule yet.
Beautiful-Thing| Another problem we have is that our itinerary will be
published in a dutch maGAYzine at the end of this month, and we might get
some late entries from that as well.
Beautiful-Thing|
Beautiful-Thing| You can imagine the pressure I'm under, being responsible
for the accomodation.
Beautiful-Thing|
Beautiful-Thing| So here goes: can you help?
Beautiful-Thing| And if yes, how would we set this up?
Beautiful-Thing|
Beautiful-Thing| Obviously we would like to stay as a group, not neccessarily
in one building, but preferably close to eachother.
Beautiful-Thing| As we are on a very tight budget (yeah, aren't they all) we
would very much appreciate inexpensive lodgings. We don't need much, but
several of the group would appreciate a shower tho...
Beautiful-Thing|
Beautiful-Thing| If you would prefer me to give you a (phone)call, or have my
London-representative (Marc Anderson) contact you (either by phone or in
person), please let me know, so I will make arrangements for that.
Beautiful-Thing|
Beautiful-Thing| Please contact me asap, as I just realised time seems to be
running out on me rapidly on this one. (I din't realise it would be only
about 7 weeks till june 12th...) I'm getting a bit desperate here.... <g>
Beautiful-Thing|
Beautiful-Thing|
Beautiful-Thing| Andre

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From: Kevin
Subject: RE: btlist: ADMIN:Problems solved!
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:23:37 -0400
WHAT MUST I DO TO BE TAKEN OFF THE LIST?!?!??
KEVIN
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From: Andre
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 4:35 PM
Subject: btlist: ADMIN:Problems solved!
Hi folks!
As you can see, the problems appear to have been resolved, everything should be in good working order now.
Here's what was going on:
baremetal.com (the domain which the mailing lists run on) decided to update their mailing-list software.
They decided to go for a new package, and needed to convert all configuration files accordingly.
The main reason for btlist and btfanlist dying was that initially they forgot to include our lists in

the configuration, resulting in the 'disappearance' of the two lists.
When we pointed out to them that something was wrong, staff quickly jumped in, did a manual

adaptation of the configuration files, and notified us that the lists were up again.
Well, in a way they were, but all sorts of weird thing happened. This resulted in an extensive

e-mail exchange with support, and several staff members jumping in to solve the problem.
Apparently (since you are reading this, everything MUST be right again) all the typo's in the

config file have been removed, and I'm currently revising the list configuration files, to make sure

that they are in perfect order.
So although it has taken some time, everything is just fine right now, and we can go back to

doing what we like to do, which is posting to btlist and the fan fiction archive. (btfanlist)
Thanx again for your patience!

Andre

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:39:55 -0400
From: "Kevin
Subject: [Fwd: btlist: ADMIN:Problems solved!]
From: "David
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:25:24 +0000
Subject: RE: btlist: ADMIN:Problems solved!
> WHAT MUST I DO TO BE TAKEN OFF THE LIST?!?!??
> KEVIN
>
> ----------
> From: Andre
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 4:35 PM
> Subject: btlist: ADMIN:Problems solved!
>
Hmmmm.... perhaps emailing Andre at the above email address would be
the obvious idea?>

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From: "Robert
Subject: btlist: Scott Pictures
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 10:56:22 +0200
Very Excellent! Thank you so Much Kenny! It's great to see Scott Neal
again, and hilarious to see him judging a Gay beauty contest!
Those of us away from the UK certainly appreciate the hook-up!
Rob

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From: "Robert
Subject: btlist: Quick Time!
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:38:26 +0200
Yes, please put the pageant to quick time! It would be wonderful to have!

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:48:47 +1000
From: Andy
Subject: btlist: [UPDATE] Fan Fiction Archive
Hi everyone,
This weeks archive update has a few interesting additions. The main banner
has been tweaked...the rainbow logo has gone and been replaced with a
mysterious 'sky-writer' apparently seen flying over Thamesmead recently! ;)
It adds up to a smaller file size too.
Three new stories this week. Jean's story titled "Out n' About" is based on
a single line of dialogue from scene 88 of the screenplay. Gavin's "The
Saga Continues" into it's final part 7. Graham's "The Club" is up to part 7.
If you're wondering where the Christmas stories are, they've been put on
hold until a special occasion.
After a flood of awards in recent weeks, I've created an Awards Gallery. No
new awards received this week but we're still in the running for a Totally
Cool Queer Site Award. You'll find a link on the main page for where to
vote.
This week see's the debut of the BT-Stories Chatroom. It's a Java based
Web-Chat system and needs a Java enabled web browser to use it.
Unfortunately it's NOT compatible with WebTV, sorry Kent! It's only the
free version, so it's small on features!
Joan sent the mailing list a couple of sketches, which were really nice.
Just for Sandra, who couldn't see them, point your web browser to...
As I didn't ask Joan first (sorry Joan), this is a hidden page, there is no
link to it from the main index. I'll keep it there for a week unless Joan
wants it to stay.
Stats
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Visitors 1327
Daily Average 21
Guestbook 12
Stories on file 27
Take care,
Andy.xxx
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From: Neil
Subject: btlist: Tickets for BT in Scotland
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:02:37 +0100

I recently wrote to the producer of the Edinburgh production of BT. He sent me the email below.

I will keep the list up-to-date of any events.
Is anybody thinking of going to see BT in Edinburgh? I shall be travelling up form

London and hope to perhaps meet a few BTers there. Apparently, it may already

be too late to book accommodation as the Edinburgh Festival is extremely popular :(
Neil.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter
Sent: 28 May 1998 20:35
Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing

Neil - thanks for the message.
You will be able to get tickets three ways,
a) reserve them with me, to be held at the venue box office
b) buy direct from the festival fringe box office, from July onwards
c) buy direct from the venue a couple of days prior to the
performance
I'll send you more details in due course (tel numbers when published)
until then,
please keep in touch
-Peter

> Please send me details how I may obtain tickets for your production of Beautiful Thing this summer.
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil
>
Peter

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