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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:21:15 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

Hi Bert,

Well it seem's the message got across the government, better than we
expected, and now we feel human again !

Maybe you should hold a march/protest in act of your rights, to be gay at
this age, it may work, if not, address an email to the US Congress.

stu
x

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 Tea1cup wrote:

> Congrats to all the UK boys out there on the Age of Consnt legislation. Now if
> we could only knock some sense into the U.S. Congress on gay issues, things
> will be moving along swimmingly.
>
> -Bert
>
> This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list (btlist)
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:37:09 -0400
From: "Keith
Subject: btlist: Odds and ends...

Hey all,

For everyone new to the list, Welcome Aboard! It's good to see things picking up again, what
with all the Pride Activities, and all. Philadelphia had theirs a few weeks back, and me and
a friend had a really great time. An estimated 35,000-40,000 people attended.

And to anyone still interested in the archive of all the previous emails sent to this list, it is
moving along, albeit slowly. Fortuantely, Tory was able to provide a series of Word
documents containing the emails all the way back to day 1, which greatly simplifies putting
them in the archive on the web. Hopefully, this weekend, or next, I should be able to get
large chunks of the emails up for all to view. Prior to this, it was pretty much a manual process
for each and every single email, and considering there are thousands of them, this was no
small task. Thanks to Tory for taking the time to provide me with both a much easier way
to put the emails in a web-archive, and for providing the emails covering the months before I
had joined the list.

Also, the Email Archive has now been (successfully) listed in Infoseek, and now I will start
to add it to other search engines. If you search for "Beautiful Thing Email" up comes my
web page (gee, this is kind if fun, like having your name in lights!)

Also, note that this archive is the emails from the "Main" Beautiful Thing list only; the stories
archive is maintained (and much more attractively) by Andy; my time and non-existent
creative skills have not allowed my to spice up the pages with graphics/colors/etc., yet.
Hopefully, once the bulk of the email is up, I can concentrate on jazzing it up a little.

So stop on by, check out the archive, sign my guest book, and run up my hits counter!

Later,

Keith

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:47:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: RE: btlist: RE: Gay Pride

Neil we/I love you lots, you little bunny, you....

AM checking out the article now, if it's still there,

miss you heaps man,

love always

stu
x

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Neil  wrote:

> For a full account of the UK Gay Pride saga visit the London Evening
> Standard's web page (www.thisislondon.com) at:
>
> http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id52820&in_re
> view_text_id=39828
>
> Be quick as I'm not sure if the article will stay there long.
>
> Its very sad :(
>
> Neil.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> David
> Sent: 23 June 1998 18:36
> Subject: Re: btlist: RE: Gay Pride
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:33:16 +0100 (BST)
> > From: Stu
> > Subject: Re: btlist: RE: Gay Pride
>
> > Sorry i also feel that the event may have been counciled, as an act
> > against us, from the voting session in the house of commons yesterday.
> >
> >
> > any views. ?
>
> I think it's more likely that Pride has just become far too
> commercial :( And even worse, it's not the Gay Businesses who are
> really benefiting.
>
> As for yesterday... good news, (although how much difference it
> really would have made to some of us ... ;)
>
> David
>
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:23:47 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: btlist: Atlanta Pride

Tomorrow evening my friend Tony and I head off for the wilds of
Atlanta, Georgia and Pride weekend. It'll be my third consecutive and
Tony's first (he's only been out a year) and his first trip to
Hot'lanta.
Michael (MGB on this list) will also be there and we hope to somehow
meet sometime that weekend. Since Tony is also a Beautiful Thing fan, it
would be sort of a mini-BT get-together.
Atlanta Pride is one of the largest in North America (the largest is
Toronto, by the way) and the last two years police crowd estimates for
the weekend (it runs from Friday night through Sunday night) have run
about 320,000. I've been in the parade once and watched it once and the
it takes about an hour and forty minutes for the whole thing.
If anyone else on the list from the south is thinking of going to
Atlanta anytime this weekend, e-mail me directly and maybe we can manage
to meet - perhaps at Outwrite Bookstore, right near Piedmont Park and
right in the heart of the gay "ghetto."

Gary
--

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From: "Neil
Subject: btlist: FW: PRIDE MARCH WILL GO AHEAD AS PLANNNED
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:26:09 +0100
Hi all,

Good news follows . . . I am a happy bunny once more!

Love

Neil.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark
Sent: 24 June 1998 15:37
Subject: PRIDE MARCH WILL GO AHEAD AS PLANNNED

March goes ahead

Pride reclaimed by the community!

The 1998 London Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Pride is to go
ahead, as planned, on 4 July. A decision to hold the event as usual was
taken after the company behind the 1998 Pride Festival at Clapham Common
announced a last-minute postponement because of contractual and
financial difficulties. The private company, Pride Events UK Ltd., hopes
to reschedule the festival for 15 August.

Representatives from more than thirty gay organisations met at Stonewall
last night and voted unanimously to continue with the Pride March -
which will now be entirely community owned and managed, with assistance
from Pride Events UK Ltd. The march will be managed by the Pride March
Committee, which holds open meetings which any gay organisation or
interested parties can attend. It has a full-time co-ordinator thanks to
a generous donation from Gay Times and Diva magazines.

This, the 27th London gay pride march, will go ahead thanks to further
substantial donations from the Pink Paper newspaper and Boyz magazine
and UNISON.

Three hundred stewards will be enlisted and trained in the next 10 days;
they will all be volunteers but will each receive a valuable G.A.Y
nightclub discount entry card (5 pound Saturdays, free all other
nights).

IF YOU CAN HELP PLEASE EMAIL ME OR MATT OR CALL THE STONEWALL OFFICE ON
0171 336 8860.

Pride March Committee co-ordinator, Paul Craig, said: "The March will be
dedicated to the abolition of Section 28 of the Local Government Act
1988. It will be inclusive, informal, high-spirited, political and a
celebration of life and diversity. We are also going to have a bloody
good time. Last year saw 100,000 marchers taking part, making Europe's
biggest gay street event."

The march assembles in Carriage Drive, Hyde Park, at 11am on Saturday 4
July and follows a route to Piccadilly Circus, Trafalgar Square,
Whitehall, Parliament Square and Victoria.

An information line has been opened on 0171 608 2206.

Refunds for festival tickets: call 0115 912 9190.

For more information, contact the Pride March Committee press office on
0171 336 8860 or on http://www.pride98.dircon.co.uk

Mark

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From: jmcs
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:06:39 +0000
Subject: Re: btlist: New Member

Hi everybody!!

William, welcome to the list!!! You're going to meet the greatest
bunch of people ever gathered together. You're home here!!! And you too,
Alex!! It's great that you finally made it to the list after the great
time we had in London (we shared table at the Gloucester and exchanged
comments about BT as the scenes went by, you know).

Which reminds me I had promised you a complete account of everything that
transpired in London, but please believe me when I tell you I haven't had
time. The cold I caught and the PFL scene I'm writing are consuming all
my free time, I swear it. But I keep my promise, I WILL send you my
personal diary with everything that happened to me.

Kent, love, your story was absolutely wonderful and so detailed... I
found myself reviving every tiny moment, every small detail thanks to you.
I can only hope my account is half as interesting and endearing as yours.

Take care.

Sandra.

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From: "Dirk
Subject: btlist: BT weekend: Many More Goodbyes...
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:31:49 PDT

Thank you Kent, that you told your story.
During the reading I bored myself no second long!
I hope, I can participate in the next meeting and spend
together with you all some similarly beautiful days.

Bye, Dirk.

>
>For those of you who have now shared this vacation with me, thanks for
>taking the time to read these posts.
>
>Kent
>

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From: "Gray"
Subject: btlist: Welcome!
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:06:53 +0100

Hi Alex and William,

I'd just like to add my welcome to all the others that you have
recieved. Like Sandra said, It's great, and you'll love it, a really
great bunch of people hang out here, so once again, Welcome to you both.

Gray

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:22:48 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: Re: btlist: Welcome!

I want to add my welcome to both Alex and William too.

Isn't it amazing that we keep getting _new_ fans for Beautiful Thing?
Just when it seems that things might fade away, it all starts over
again. New viewers, new fans, new insights.

As those of you list "veterans" know, I wrote a paper on the internet
phenomenon of Beautiful Thing and delivered it at a professional
conference in April.

It will be published in an anthology this fall called, "Proof of Things
Queer." The editor has asked me to write about postscript about (a) how
the paper was received, getting translated into three other languages,
etc. and (b) how "life" continued in BT-land on the internet. One of the
things I'll mention is how the activity just doesn't seem to be ending
anytime soon. One visit to London is over and already there is talk of
future ones. Some have seen the Chicago play; others plan to see it. And
so on.

I've been on "fan" lists before and they have a lifespan of about a
year, if they are movies or movie stars, a bit longer for continuing TV
shows. Even then, most subscribers eventually leave and move on to the
next "big thing." Oh, we've had folks leave, and new folks to replace
them, but we've still got a lot of "long-timers." It's pretty unusual -
also pretty great, of course! <G>

By the way, for those of you recently to the list, Eric has a link to my
paper on his BT site - http://aok.com/bt - or you can check the English
version out at http://www.hardyboy.com/~bayport/BT.html and I'd be
especially interested to hear comments or new insights about what I
wrote from the "newbies" on the list.

Gary

> Gray wrote:
>
> Hi Alex and William,
>
> I'd just like to add my welcome to all the others that you have
> recieved. Like Sandra said, It's great, and you'll love it, a really
> great bunch of people hang out here, so once again, Welcome to you
> both.
>
> Gray
>

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From: ep
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:40:50 -0400
Subject: Re: btlist: Atlanta Pride

At 10:23 AM 6/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
> Atlanta Pride is one of the largest in North America (the largest is
>Toronto, by the way)

I don't know how big Toronto's is, but I can tell you that New York's is
*at least* twice the size of the Atlanta one, and I hear the one in San
Francisco is right up there as well.

New York's big parade etc, etc, happens this weekend too.

Happy Pride!

-Eric

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:06:36 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: Re: btlist: Atlanta Pride

ep wrote:
>
> At 10:23 AM 6/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
> > Atlanta Pride is one of the largest in North America (the largest is
> >Toronto, by the way)
>
> I don't know how big Toronto's is, but I can tell you that New York's is
> *at least* twice the size of the Atlanta one, and I hear the one in San
> Francisco is right up there as well.
>
> New York's big parade etc, etc, happens this weekend too.
>
> Happy Pride!

In total attendance figures, apparently Toronto tops all the U.S.
festivals.

It's tricky because of what the numbers may count. Some cities, even
large ones like SF, while they have other Pride-related events, have
_one_ big day for the parade and festival. Others, like Atlanta, run for
three days with Sunday the big finish. Atlanta Pride takes over several
acres of 60-acre Piedmont Park for all three days with a "market" area,
a main stage, a dance tent, a volleyball tournament area, and a food
area. Piedmont Park happens to be right in the middle of Midtown, the
rather large gay "ghetto." (Old joke: Q: How many straights does it take
to change a lightbulb in Midtown? A: Both of them.) The area is
surrounded with gay clubs, bookstores, restaurants, gay-friendly
businesses and, of course, homes and apartment complexes from which an
abundance of rainbow flags are always flying.

Some somewhat larger cities (and San Francisco County is _smaller_ than
Atlanta - San Jose is now bigger than San Francisco in population) tend
to concentrate events or have them in places where a three-day stay
isn't possible. (SF's will be in the Civic Center area where the parade
will end.)

Although Georgia is one of the southern states that still has a sodomy
law (Tennessee - hooray! - does not), Atlanta generally acts (even in
non-gay matters) as if it really weren't part of Georgia. The mayor
shows up at Pride Sunday to read his official proclamation. During the
96 Olympics, the annual Atlanta Gay Men's Chorus Pride concert was an
official event of the "cultural" Olympics festival. The Olympic
committee even endorsed an official Olympic pin with the rainbow on it.

Atlanta now also has (in the fall) a Black Gay Pride Festival as well,
although June's Pride event is thoroughly multi-cultural. (I recall a
float last year for South Pacific Island Lesbians or something like
that. <G>)

Anyhow, to all of you celebrating this weekend, whether with a few
hundred or a few hundred thousand, Happy Pride. Celebrate!

Gary
--

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From: Tea1cup
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:00:29 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

Hi Stu,

thanks for your note. Your suggestions were well taken and various gay
political organizations in the U.S. are considering another march on
Washington for the year 2000, this time preceded, in 1999, with regional
marches to state and local governments. However with the rabid conservatives
in power in the federal congress, the chances of passing legislation is slim
at this time. But thanks for the encouragement!

-Bert

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From: Tea1cup
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:05:55 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: Tampa Pride

For all you southern US boys (and girls):
Tampa's Pride weekend is the weekend of July fourth. This Saturday the Tampa
Bay Gay Men's Chorus will have their concert, kicking the whole thing off.
Happy Pride everybody!

-Bert

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:09:04 +1000
From: Andy
Subject: Re: btlist: !!!***WHOOPS***!!!

Wow! Phone sex at work...you lucky lad! ;)

Andy.

>Sorry Everyone, I made a mistake with my last message it was meant for
>Kent only,

<snip>
>
>Gav XXX.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:15:47 +0200
From: Wolfgang
Subject: Re: btlist: !!!***WHOOPS***!!!

> Wow! Phone sex at work...you lucky lad! ;)
>
> Andy.
>

hm do you think thats ok???

Wolfgang

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From: Sven
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:31:10 EDT
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

In a message dated 6/24/98 2:07:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Tea1cup
writes:

<< However with the rabid conservatives
in power in the federal congress, the chances of passing legislation is slim
at this time. >>

Stu, love,
They may be rabid conservatives, but look at our president! He'd sleep with
anything with two legs. That can't be too conservative. ;)

Hopefully,
Steve

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From: "Kent ."
Subject: Re: btlist: Welcome!
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:32:39 PDT

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Gary wrote:

>I want to add my welcome to both Alex and William too.
>
>Isn't it amazing that we keep getting _new_ fans for Beautiful Thing?
>Just when it seems that things might fade away, it all starts over
>again. New viewers, new fans, new insights.

I heartily echo Gary and Gary's "Welcome!"; also, may I be among the
first to say a big "Wilkommen" to Wolfgang!! Nice to see you here,
Wolfie!

Although I have little familiarity with much on the 'Net except the BT
lists and WebSites and IRC, I have always felt that with each new venue
where BT becomes visible, the group of fnas who have "just seen it" will
grow; I am not all that surprised. I anticipate that now that the
video is for sale at a more affordable price (here in the States), more
people can and will get to enjoy it-- and join us here. Ditto whenever
it makes its eventual appearance on Public Television in the US. It'll
probably happen during some future June "Pride Month Programming" on
PBS, as I feel is inevitable (at least on NYC's PBS station). I am
mightily glad that things haven't ever faded away, may that day be long
in the future, if it ever comes at all! But it IS pretty remarkable
that one film has such staying power for us and as catalyst for our
discussions.

Kent
who is nevertheless very (VERY!) glad it has that power!

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From: "Robert
Subject: btlist: Staying Power
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:23:07 +0200

I agree that the more this movie is seen, the more involvement with it will
grow. I don't know any other movie that is so honest, and at the same time
powerfully optimistic! (Not exactly a dark "Docudrama", with the infectious
happiness of Mama Cass!) This movie is so personally moving, people can't
help but to love it! And that inevitably leads them to the internet, and the
wonderful Beautiful Thing community here.
I live in a small, restrictive community, where no one else AT ALL even
wants to see the movie, much less understand or appreciate it! So the
on-line community is a real life-saver! And I am certain this will be the
case again and again, as local gays find this movie, and that wonderful
sense of belonging.
Besides, I've never seen any other movie that made it so fun to be gay!

Rob
(Singin' my own kind of music...)

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:36:57 -0700
From: "Robert
Subject: btlist: Pride in San Fran!

Any other BT'ers going to the big pride festival this weekend in San
Fransisco? I'll be there Saturday for most of the day. I don't know how
we could find eachother, maybe some sort of BT Sign. Like Peppermint
Foot Lotion T-Shirts.:)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:49:40 +0100 (BST)
From: Chris
Subject: Re: btlist: FW: PRIDE MARCH WILL GO AHEAD AS PLANNNED

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Neil  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Good news follows . . . I am a happy bunny once more!
>
> Love
>
> Neil.
Hiya Neil,
Good news isn't it. :-) Anyone planning on meeting up on the 4th
(or maybe the 5th?) If so i'll bring the pictures from a meeting with
Glen, Scott, and Tamekia with me.

--
Chris

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From: Gavin
Subject: btlist: Your all very cruel!
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:51:25 +0000

Andy and Wolfy,

Your both very cruel to make fun of my little mistake, I just don't
know if I'm going to forgive you both.

Oh oright I'll forgive you Wolfy as you weren't the ring leader and
also because of those lovely eyes but as for you Andy start grovelling
and make it good.

Laters then,

Gavin

Who is very annoyed, can't you tell.

P.S. Phone sex at work indeed??? I leave that sort of thing for the
privacy of my own home.

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From: "Kent ."
Subject: Re: btlist: Your all very cruel!
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:39:38 PDT

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Gavin  wrote:

>P.S. Phone sex at work indeed??? I leave that sort of thing for the
>privacy of my own home.

Err, Gav, I hope you realize this means you can expect not a few
requests for your home phone number-- several from Andy alone! :)

Kent
Still practicing typing "Gray and Gary" instead of "Gary and Gary"...

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:24:02 -0400
From: Eric
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

At 07:31 PM 6/24/98 -0400, you wrote:

>Stu, love,
>They may be rabid conservatives, but look at our president! He'd sleep with
>anything with two legs. That can't be too conservative. ;)

What makes you think they have to have two legs?? ;-)

-Eric

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From: "Neil
Subject: RE: btlist: FW: PRIDE MARCH WILL GO AHEAD AS PLANNNED
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:32:57 +0100

Hi Chris,

Yeah, definitely fab news - lets just hope the weather picks up by then :)

I'm going on the parade with several friends but it would be great if those
of us going to the parade could meet up. Does anyone have a good meeting
place, perhaps after the event? I'm sure Soho will be pretty packed but I'm
happy to meet anywhere. My friends and I were going to pick-nick (generally
alcohol I presume) in Soho Square after the parade - perhaps there then?

I've just seen the Thamesmead 98 photos on your site - great. Where is
everybody from on those photos?

Love

Neil
xxx

-----Original Message-----
Chris
Sent: 25 June 1998 07:50
Subject: Re: btlist: FW: PRIDE MARCH WILL GO AHEAD AS PLANNNED

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Neil  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Good news follows . . . I am a happy bunny once more!
>
> Love
>
> Neil.
Hiya Neil,
Good news isn't it. :-) Anyone planning on meeting up on the 4th
(or maybe the 5th?) If so i'll bring the pictures from a meeting with
Glen, Scott, and Tamekia with me.

--
Chris

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:08:34 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

Hi Bert

Well I just thought I'd get you lot on the right path, for this march,
maybe I should address a letter to congress, hmm.

stu
x

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 Tea1cup wrote:

> Hi Stu,
>
> thanks for your note. Your suggestions were well taken and various gay
> political organizations in the U.S. are considering another march on
> Washington for the year 2000, this time preceded, in 1999, with regional
> marches to state and local governments. However with the rabid conservatives
> in power in the federal congress, the chances of passing legislation is slim
> at this time. But thanks for the encouragement!
>
> -Bert
>

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:55:05 +1000
From: Andy
Subject: btlist: [UPDATE] BT-Stories Fan Fiction Archive

Hi Listers,

A small update this week for the BT-Stories Fan Fiction Archive. As I
promoted earlier this week, Jean's Gloucester series of vignettes have
started. The Gloucester #2 is now online. There'll be a new one each week
until we reach #10.

Graham has submitted part 15 of The Club, where we find Jamie and Ste
slapping paint on the walls (and each other!).

And that's it. There's one or two tiny appearance changes, and a listing
link to extremely cute Jase P. Wells Rainbow Icon Archive.

If you've visited the BT-Stories site recently, remember to hit the
"refresh" or "reload" buttons on your browser to see the updated pages.
Proxy servers and cache files are notorious for giving you an outdated page.

Happy reading,
Andy.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:28:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

I see, hmm,

IN that case, maybe the President's gay himself, he does get on with all
thsoe army boy's doesn't he.

*smiles*

stu.
x

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 SvenTerr wrote:

> In a message dated 6/24/98 2:07:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Tea1cup
> writes:
>
> << However with the rabid conservatives
> in power in the federal congress, the chances of passing legislation is slim
> at this time. >>
>
> Stu, love,
> They may be rabid conservatives, but look at our president! He'd sleep with
> anything with two legs. That can't be too conservative. ;)
>
> Hopefully,
> Steve
>
> This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list (btlist)
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:02:08 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: Re: btlist: Your all very cruel!

Gavin,

I understand the mistake you made, and am sorry that you received a lot of
crap over the incident and ask that you find it in your heart to forgive
those guy's that were cruel to you.

You see, loosing a friend is like loosing an item, you value, and that
hurts most.

I hope you can sort this matter out, non-violently.

with kind reguards.

stu
x

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Gavin  wrote:

> Andy and Wolfy,
>
> Your both very cruel to make fun of my little mistake, I just don't
> know if I'm going to forgive you both.
>
> Oh oright I'll forgive you Wolfy as you weren't the ring leader and
> also because of those lovely eyes but as for you Andy start grovelling
> and make it good.
>
> Laters then,
>
> Gavin
>
> Who is very annoyed, can't you tell.
>
> P.S. Phone sex at work indeed??? I leave that sort of thing for the
> privacy of my own home.
>
>
> This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list (btlist)
>

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From: Gavin
Subject: RE: btlist: Your all very cruel!
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:04:10 +0000

For those people who obviously don't know my sense of humour I'm sorry,
I didn't realise people would take me seriously when I said you're all
cruel. I was joking. Oright. Just laugh and then forget it, all of
you, now that's an order.

You see that was a joke as well.

Laters

Gav XXX.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: btlist: Your all very cruel!

Gavin,

I understand the mistake you made, and am sorry that you received a lot
of
crap over the incident and ask that you find it in your heart to
forgive
those guy's that were cruel to you.

You see, loosing a friend is like loosing an item, you value, and that
hurts most.

I hope you can sort this matter out, non-violently.

with kind reguards.

stu
x

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Gavin wrote:

> Andy and Wolfy,
>
> Your both very cruel to make fun of my little mistake, I just don't
> know if I'm going to forgive you both.
>
> Oh oright I'll forgive you Wolfy as you weren't the ring leader and
> also because of those lovely eyes but as for you Andy start
grovelling
> and make it good.
>
> Laters then,
>
> Gavin
>
> Who is very annoyed, can't you tell.
>
> P.S. Phone sex at work indeed??? I leave that sort of thing for the
> privacy of my own home.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:29:22 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: btlist: Pride weekend

>From some of the recent postings here, I suspect American traffic on the
list may be down a bit this weekend. Let's see, we got list members
going to Pride in San Francisco, New York, Chicago and Atlanta.

Michael (MGB) and I are going to try to meet sometime Saturday.
Including my friend Tony who's making the trip with me, that'll be
_three_ BT fans, which should be enough for a quorum. <G>

It's over seven hours of driving (and a time zone change) from Jackson,
TN to Atlanta, so both Tony and I are bringing our favorite CDs. My
collection, of course, includes the BT soundtrack. :)

Got to finish packing, so I'll check back in sometime Monday night.

Gary
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:43:40 +0100 (BST)
From: Chris
Subject: RE: btlist: FW: PRIDE MARCH WILL GO AHEAD AS PLANNNED

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Neil  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Yeah, definitely fab news - lets just hope the weather picks up by then :)
>
> I'm going on the parade with several friends but it would be great if those
> of us going to the parade could meet up. Does anyone have a good meeting
> place, perhaps after the event? I'm sure Soho will be pretty packed but I'm
> happy to meet anywhere. My friends and I were going to pick-nick (generally
> alcohol I presume) in Soho Square after the parade - perhaps there then?

Soho Square is going to be pretty packed, maybe somewhere around there....
I'll have to have a think.

>
> I've just seen the Thamesmead 98 photos on your site - great. Where is
> everybody from on those photos?

YM Thamesmead 97 :-)

Hmmm, some of the people in the photos are on the list (say hello Andre
et al) and some of the others are on IRC occasionally.

--
Chris

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:45:17 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

Good point made by the ever perspective Eric, good one mate.

stu.

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Eric  wrote:

> At 07:31 PM 6/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Stu, love,
> >They may be rabid conservatives, but look at our president! He'd sleep with
> >anything with two legs. That can't be too conservative. ;)
>
> What makes you think they have to have two legs?? ;-)
>
> -Eric
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:51:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donald
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

You might be interested to know that sex between male and female in Canada
is 14. For the rest of us it is 16.

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Andy wrote:

> Just closing off the 'thread' I started the other day and for those that
> haven't heard yet...
>
>
> "The age of consent for sex between male homosexuals has been lowered from
> 18 to 16 by Britain's Lower House of Commons, much to the delight of gay
> rights activists. Members of the parliament backed the move by 366 votes to
> 129, in a free vote."
>
> <snip>
>
> "The vote will bring British age of consent legislation into line with many
> other European Union countries. Only Austria will have different ages of
> consent for heterosexual and homosexual sex."
>
> (Source: AAP/Reuters)
>
>
> Andy.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:56:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donald
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

Americans have a problem with too many rednecked people in congress who
represent the rednecks back home. Give most of them a cute guy for a night
and they'll give away The Statue of Liberty.

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 Tea1cup wrote:

> Congrats to all the UK boys out there on the Age of Consnt legislation. Now if
> we could only knock some sense into the U.S. Congress on gay issues, things
> will be moving along swimmingly.
>
> -Bert
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:56:32 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: btlist: Hi folks, urgent message

Hi and thanks for reading this,

I've a friend on the #Beautiful-Thing channel, on irc.dal.net 7000 and
he's on his own, can you guy's log in and join us ?

with thanks

stu
X

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:05:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donald
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

If you send mail to the US President (BIG BIL CLINTON) you will certainly
get a reply from his press secretary. I have the e-mail address if anyone
needs it. Yes, they even replied to me in the Great frozen North (Canada)

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Stu wrote:

> Hi Bert,
>
> Well it seem's the message got across the government, better than we
> expected, and now we feel human again !
>
>
> Maybe you should hold a march/protest in act of your rights, to be gay at
> this age, it may work, if not, address an email to the US Congress.
>
>
>
> stu
> x
>
>
> On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 Tea1cup wrote:
>
> > Congrats to all the UK boys out there on the Age of Consnt legislation. Now if
> > we could only knock some sense into the U.S. Congress on gay issues, things
> > will be moving along swimmingly.
> >
> > -Bert
> >

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:08:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donald
Subject: Re: btlist: Atlanta Pride

The gay community in Toronto is sometimes called the San Franscisco of the
north.

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 ep wrote:

> At 10:23 AM 6/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
> > Atlanta Pride is one of the largest in North America (the largest is
> >Toronto, by the way)
>
> I don't know how big Toronto's is, but I can tell you that New York's is
> *at least* twice the size of the Atlanta one, and I hear the one in San
> Francisco is right up there as well.
>
> New York's big parade etc, etc, happens this weekend too.
>
> Happy Pride!
>
> -Eric
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:09:08 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

Ok, so we now know that there are redneck people in congress in the us,
and we also know they'd do anything for dairylee. So how about trading a
sex god, in exchange for gay consent being lowered, and equality being
made their offical goal, to the people of the United States.

And how about that here, however I doubt Tony Blair would like the same.
But reasoning with these people through letters and the media, is a way of
getting the message across, that is, to let us be free, and for their to
be equality in Europe, and other countries across the world.

stu.
x

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Donald  wrote:

> Americans have a problem with too many rednecked people in congress who
> represent the rednecks back home. Give most of them a cute guy for a night
> and they'll give away The Statue of Liberty.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 Tea1cup wrote:
>
> > Congrats to all the UK boys out there on the Age of Consnt legislation. Now if
> > we could only knock some sense into the U.S. Congress on gay issues, things
> > will be moving along swimmingly.
> >
> > -Bert
> >
> > This message was brought to you by the Beautiful Thing mailing list (btlist)
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:10:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donald
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

you can say what you like about Clinton's morals, but he's the best
president since John F Kennedy. And he's not bad looking either. Maybe
he's bisexual.
/

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 SvenTerr wrote:

> In a message dated 6/24/98 2:07:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Tea1cup
> writes:
>
> << However with the rabid conservatives
> in power in the federal congress, the chances of passing legislation is slim
> at this time. >>
>
> Stu, love,
> They may be rabid conservatives, but look at our president! He'd sleep with
> anything with two legs. That can't be too conservative. ;)
>
> Hopefully,
> Steve
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:17:20 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

Hey there Donald, thanks for the email, yes, wouldn't mind getting hold
of that address. thanks mate.

stu.
x

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Donald wrote:

> If you send mail to the US President (BIG BIL CLINTON) you will certainly
> get a reply from his press secretary. I have the e-mail address if anyone
> needs it. Yes, they even replied to me in the Great frozen North (Canada)
>
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Stu wrote:
>
> > Hi Bert,
> >
> > Well it seem's the message got across the government, better than we
> > expected, and now we feel human again !
> >
> >
> > Maybe you should hold a march/protest in act of your rights, to be gay at
> > this age, it may work, if not, address an email to the US Congress.
> >
> >
> >
> > stu
> > x
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 Tea1cup wrote:
> >
> > > Congrats to all the UK boys out there on the Age of Consnt legislation. Now if
> > > we could only knock some sense into the U.S. Congress on gay issues, things
> > > will be moving along swimmingly.
> > >
> > > -Bert
> > >

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:18:02 +0100 (BST)
From: Stu
Subject: Re: btlist: Atlanta Pride

THanks Donald, again, you won't believe what you can learn from places
like this. cool..

stu.
x

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Donald  wrote:

> The gay community in Toronto is sometimes called the San Franscisco of the
> north.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 ep wrote:
>
> > At 10:23 AM 6/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
> > > Atlanta Pride is one of the largest in North America (the largest is
> > >Toronto, by the way)
> >
> > I don't know how big Toronto's is, but I can tell you that New York's is
> > *at least* twice the size of the Atlanta one, and I hear the one in San
> > Francisco is right up there as well.
> >
> > New York's big parade etc, etc, happens this weekend too.
> >
> > Happy Pride!
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> >

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:24:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Donald
Subject: Re: btlist: Age of consent

Big Bill Clinton: president@whitehouse.gov
also for the white house information system
autoresponder.@whitehouse.gov
the office of correspondence: www.whitehouse.gov
Give them a full dose of whatever. I still Bill is rather attractive. More
so that the jackass we have here in Canada.

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Stu wrote:

> Hey there Donald, thanks for the email, yes, wouldn't mind getting hold
> of that address. thanks mate.
>
>
> stu.
> x
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Donald wrote:
>
> > If you send mail to the US President (BIG BIL CLINTON) you will certainly
> > get a reply from his press secretary. I have the e-mail address if anyone
> > needs it. Yes, they even replied to me in the Great frozen North (Canada)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Stu wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bert,
> > >
> > > Well it seem's the message got across the government, better than we
> > > expected, and now we feel human again !
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe you should hold a march/protest in act of your rights, to be gay at
> > > this age, it may work, if not, address an email to the US Congress.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > stu
> > > x
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 Tea1cup wrote:
> > >
> > > > Congrats to all the UK boys out there on the Age of Consnt legislation. Now if
> > > > we could only knock some sense into the U.S. Congress on gay issues, things
> > > > will be moving along swimmingly.
> > > >
> > > > -Bert
> > > >

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