>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:44:36 -0500 (EST)
- >Subject: Trip to Thamesmead - reply
- >reply-to: "Beautiful Thing Email List"
- >
- >>Jay,
- >> Thanks for sharing the trip to Thamesmead. For those of us bound
- >>to only the movie of knowing what Jamie and Ste's living conditions are, >it
- >is a big help to get a first hand view.
- >
- >Yeah - it was fun, and a little scary, to go there by myself. I couldn't
- >believe that things worked out like they did, I hadn't really planned it that
- >way, it just turned out I was going to be in London and I thought to myself,
- >Hey, I can visit Thamesmead while I'm there, and then I figured I OUGHT to
- >visit, for all the other fans, and take pictures, etc., so that pushed me
- >through the scary part and voila!
- >
- >> Did you actually see flat 269? I mean can you walk about where
- >>they did in the movie?
- >
- >Most of the walkways are locked off with iron gates at each end, so I
- >couldn't actually walk up to flats and check their numbers. I did figure out
- >which row of flats was probably used in the movie, based on the balcony
- >shots. I walked around the public areas, like the steps that Jamie runs up
- >during the opening titles (the bench he leaps over is still there), and the
- >place along the lake where Sandra finds Ste crying, and Tavy Bridge. I
- >wasn't certain of the plaza area where they dance at the end of the movie,
- >because they are doing some major renovation in the Tavy Bridge area, and
- >large parts were fenced off, with construction equipment and things torn up,
- >etc.
- >
- >I need to watch the movie again now, with an eye out for clues to sites, now
- >that I've been there. Then, I suppose I need to go back (look out,
- >London!). I used the London A-Z guide for a general plan of the Thamesmead
- >area. It would help to have a detailed plan, with flat numbers, etc. This
- >is the kind of thing whoever is managing Thamesmead now would have. Any
- >ideas?
- >
- >:o) jay
-
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- >Subject: Some observations and questions @ BT
- >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 09:39:46 -0000
- >From: Clem
- >
- >Hello all,
- >
- ><sorry, this is kinda long and a double apologies to all if this is this
- >message's second posting. I'm having some email posting problems which
- >David is trying to help me out with. Thank you for your help, my friend,
- >and I'm sorry for in anyway contributing to rising frustration levels.>
- >
- >
- >
- >I was watching the film last night (Monday) and was intent on asking you
- >all about some of the things that were popping into my head. (I should
- >explain that I was able to watch the video because I went ahead and
- >ordered the film from england and can watch it on a PAL vcr at work. I'm
- >going to get the NTSC version as soon as it comes out though. Just to
- >habe all my bases covered, so to speak.)
- > So anyways, I'm kicking it here jotting down some nagging brain burps.
- >And what could be a better thing to do but to share them? (Sorry if we've
- >gone over this before. Haven't seen it but perhaps it was prior to my
- >enlistment.)
- >
- >Hmmmn....
- >-What movie did Jamie turn on to watch after bailing out of football
- >practice?
- >
- >-Would any eyebrows be raised by parents or peers by a boy who was always
- >gelling his hair? Or is that quite "normal" these days?
- >
- >-When Leah is singing Mam Cass to Jamie on the porch, is she really
- >trying to do an american accent? I believe the stageplay has her doing
- >so...
- >
- >-Doesn't Sandra come across at the beginning of the film as just bitter
- >and mean? Really unlikable? I have to admit that after my forth viewing
- >I've warmed to her considerably though.
- >
- >-What does Sandra mean when she says, "...it's unatural for a girl Leah's
- >age to be into Mama Cass..."?
- >
- >-It seems to me that when Ste is making tea he actually takes the skillet
- >off the stove and over to the counter and is doing some kind of prep work
- >or something with it when he dashes off to shutup Leah.
- >
- >-Doesn't Trevor actually look like a stereotypical "twit"?
- >
- >-Didn't the film seem to have segues between scenes that seemed just a
- >bit too sharp, a little too quick?
- >
- >-In the film, how are we supposed to know that Tony is a middle class
- >slacker? By that business regarding which game shows they all watched,
- >'haps?
- >
- >-Was the dumping of the burned potatoes onto Ste's plate by his shit of a
- >dad meant simply to be a rebuke or was it a form of punishment (ie, he
- >_has_ to now eat it all)? By Ste's reaction, I'm guessing the latter but
- >it wasn't clear (to me, at least).
- >
- >-A possible editing mistake: that lady singer who sang "spend a little
- >time with me" (at the bar Sandra worked at) was at the counter ordering a
- >drink when Sandra moves around to the front of the bar to kick out Leah
- >and her friend, Slasher. The sandra-POV camera shows the woman to be
- >there -- when the camera shows the three primaries at the table, and the
- >bar over their shoulders, the woman is gone.
- > Now, ok, maybe she moved away....but still, just something I noticed.
- >
- >-What's up with the strange expression on Sandra's face after she kisses
- >goodnight her friend?
- >
- >-This is probably a reflection of my amerimedia mindset but I also
- >noticed very few (if any) uses of the word "bloody". If this true, does
- >this reflect simply Harvey's writing style or is this word actually not
- >used as often we think?
- >
- >-The uses of that instrumental music was always dead on right. Was that
- >John Altman? I can't quite tell with my cd insert. It really worked in
- >the "bed scene".
- >
- >-I really liked how the whole scene of their collecting the soaked
- >clothing and then interacting was done in silence and loads were
- >communicated with just a look! It made it that much more intense!
- >
- >-Also, I found the moment of anguished decision making by Ste to move to
- >the other side of the bed beautiful. He was deciding on more than just
- >repositioning himself on the bed--he was really switching sides.
- >
- >-The song "going on 16" came in too soon. There should have been a few
- >more seconds of just plain intimacy. It seems they cut away from Jamie
- >and Ste just when they were gong to get serious:
- > After Ste gives Jamie the cap, Jamie jokes, and then realizes
- >Ste is being serious, pulls off the cap, looks up, says, "what?" and then
- >the camera cuts away!!! I was looking at the screen, thinking, what the
- >hell are they showing me that is supposed to more important? And when the
- >camera cuts back they are already seemingly in the middle of their
- >discussions. HUH? This is where Ste finally admits his love of Jamie, to
- >both himself as well as Jamie. A crucial momnet and we missed part of it.
- >I don't know, I just felt jipped....
- > After Sandra talks to them both, after the hankey, and she leaves
- >(with a 5 minute warning) Jamie goes over and sits with Ste and takes his
- >hand to give his love and support, to share his strength. It was a small
- >but incredibly intima e act, it was the stuff that relationships are
- >cemented with AND THE CAMERA CUT AWAY! For me, this was more important,
- >more romantic, more significant, than the forest scene (though they had
- >to have kissed (snogged) at some point. Although did anyone else notice
- >that Jamie seems to kiss with his mouth closed? Yet Ste with his mouth
- >open? Although that doesn't seem to be able to go together that was what
- >it seemed like they were doing).
- > Argggrgr....
- >
- >-What is up with Sandra when she says, Yeah, Ste, that's my name, don't
- >wear it out."
- >Is she really saying, "Yeah Ste, it is time I guess for you to answer
- >some of your own questions, be honest, and provide for yourself. You're
- >welcome here but don't fuck it up. Especially if you are going to be
- >under my roof (ie, with my son).."
- >
- >-There is significant physical distance between Sandra and Jamie when
- >they are walking around at the Anchor ( an interesting symbol for their
- >future, eh?).
- >
- >-The movie was only @80 mins. Seemed longer though.
- >
- >
- >-Finally, "Beautiful Thing" made me feel like a healthy human, fully
- >awake and fully alive, everything having potential and promise. That
- >there is freedom to be found in honesty. Trust in the love in yourself
- >and trust in the love in others.
- >
- >
- >Anyways, that was my feeling after this last viewing. I wonder what my
- >next will bring...
- >
- >
- >laters,
- >clem :)
- >
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- >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:48:02 -0800
- >From: Jay
- >Subject: Beautiful Thing Italia
- >
- >Hi BT Fans...
- >
- >I spent a week in Rome (March 15 - 22) and SUPRISE Beautiful Thing
- >was playing there during my stay. It was (according to the theatre
- >manager) dubbed in Italian. I didn't actually go into see it (not wanting to
- >suffer through the Italian), but went past the theatre several times during
- >my stay to check out the posters, etc.
- >
- >The publicity poster was different from both the UK and US Theatre
- >posters: a closeup of Jamie, Ste, and Leah publicity shot (where Leah
- >has big yellow flowers in her hair and they're leaning out over a railing),
- >encircled by a pastel blue "male" symbol _and_ a pastel pink
"female"
- >symbol a black background. The _once again misleading_ implication is
- >that this is a story about teenage heterosexual love.
- >
- >My parents were staying in a hotel right next to the theatre, and my dad
- >thought that it must be a porno film, based on the poster, until I set him
- >straight (giggle). Funny that.
- >
- >Oh well, as someone else said, what were the Channel 4 publicity
- >people thinking. I wonder if it's too late to get to them about the upcoming
- >US video release before they blow it big on publicity for that as well...
- >
- >cheers -
- >
- >:o) jay
- >
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- >From: "Shaun "
- >Subject: Re: Some observations and questions
- >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:04:22 -0500
- >
- >> I'd say normal. Sandra is vain. Perhaps she just feels he's carrying on
- >> with that. As for stereotypical gay aspects of Jamie, Glen does seem to
- >> play him a little, uh, straighter than the play would have him. I wouldn't
- >> expect Jamie to be a flaming queen. I think that would have made him too
- >> much unmatchable with Ste, the butch thing he is. And does anyone notice
- >> that Sandra comments on how short Jamie is and asks whether the kids are
- >> calling him Stumpy. Yet he is taller than Ste. Hmm, Ste makes up for his
- >> height in athletic prowess, I guess.
- >
- >
- >Ummm. Just an observation. Jamie *is* taller, and his mum does commment
- >about his height, but that's not why she asks if anyone is calling him
- >Stumpy. Right after she says that she says something to the effect of
- >"It'll stop you know." She's referring to something else I think. Try to
- >remember back to being a young teenager. Things just seemed to "pop up"
- >when you least expect them to. <grin> think about it.
- >
- >Shaun
-
-
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- >From: "JOE"
- >Subject: Re: Some observations and questions @ BT
- >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 06:59:33 -0600
- >----------
- >> From: Clem
- >> Subject: Some observations and questions @ BT
- >> Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 3:39 AM
- >>
- >> I was watching the film last night (Monday) and was intent on asking you
- >> all about some of the things that were popping into my head. (I should
- >> explain that I was able to watch the video because I went ahead and
- >> ordered the film from england and can watch it on a PAL vcr at work. I'm
- >> going to get the NTSC version as soon as it comes out though. Just to
- >> habe all my bases covered, so to speak.)
- >> So anyways, I'm kicking it here jotting down some nagging brain burps.
- >> And what could be a better thing to do but to share them? (Sorry if we've
- >> gone over this before. Haven't seen it but perhaps it was prior to my
- >> enlistment.)
- >>
- > I've only seen the film once, but I've since read both the screen play and
- >the stage play, so I'll take a stab at some of these...
- >
- >> -Would any eyebrows be raised by parents or peers by a boy who was always
- >> gelling his hair? Or is that quite "normal" these days?
- >>
- > Not really an issue by itself, I think, but your question does touch on
- >something I've been thinking about after reading both scripts and seeing
- >the film. I wonder if Jonathan Harvey had a bit more stereotypically gay
- >idea in mind for Jamie than Glen Berry conveyed in the film. Consider that
- >Jamie has a Lucille Ball poster on his wall, knows "The Sound of Music" by
- >heart, is reading celebrity gossip about a TV soap opera in that one
- >bedroom scene "about Sally from 'Coronation Street'"), and in the stage
- >play he starts mimicking the female detectives from the "Cagney and Lacey"
- >TV show. When Ste gives him the hat, the movie script directions have him
- >"camping it up a bit, doing his Hollywood breathless starlet bit." He
- >says, "My, what a pretty hat. It's the prettiest hat I ever did see, Master
- >Steven. Does this mean we're engaged?"
- > If I hadn't seen the film until _after_ reading the scripts, I might have
- >expected the Jamie character to be somewhat more of a "queen" than Glen
- >portrayed him. Interestingly, I'm glad that wasn't the case. Glen's Jamie
- >has all these stereotypical gay traits and interests, but not the
- >mannerisms.
- >>
- >> -Doesn't Sandra come across at the beginning of the film as just bitter
- >> and mean? Really unlikable? I have to admit that after my forth viewing
- >> I've warmed to her considerably though.
- >
- > In the stage play, she seems even harsher at first than in the film, but
- >then, I think we realize that she has to be "tough" to deal with all she
- >has to deal with.
- >>
- >> -Didn't the film seem to have segues between scenes that seemed just a
- >> bit too sharp, a little too quick?
- >>
- > This happens when a stage writer does a faithful adaptation of his own
- >stage play. I've done a lot of theatre work and teach some in that area,
- >and BT as a movie shows its stage roots.
- >
- >>
- >> -Also, I found the moment of anguished decision making by Ste to move to
- >> the other side of the bed beautiful. He was deciding on more than just
- >> repositioning himself on the bed--he was really switching sides.
- >
- > Hadn't thought of it that way, but I think that's a good way of looking at
- >it. I have the video clip on my computer of the bedroom scene where Jamie
- >is reading and Ste is eating the sandwich and Ste asks if Jamie always
- >wears glasses when he reads. It's clear from closeups of Ste that he is
- >seeing Jamie in a different way here, more than just the boy next door or
- >schoolmate. The more I look at that scene, the more I think Ste is
- >beginning to fall in love.
- >>
- >> After Ste gives Jamie the cap, Jamie jokes, and then realizes
- >> Ste is being serious, pulls off the cap, looks up, says, "what?" and
then
- >> the camera cuts away!!! I was looking at the screen, thinking, what the
- >> hell are they showing me that is supposed to more important? And when the
- >> camera cuts back they are already seemingly in the middle of their
- >> discussions. HUH? This is where Ste finally admits his love of Jamie, to
- >> both himself as well as Jamie. A crucial momnet and we missed part of it.
- >> I don't know, I just felt jipped....
- >
- > The film script indicates a brief cut to Sandra's bedroom to indicate that
- >she and Tony are about to have sex. Then, when the scene returns to
- >Jamie's room, Ste remarks, "It just don't feel right. Here. Your mum and
- >Tony on the other side of that door."
- >
- >> After Sandra talks to them both, after the hankey, and she leaves
- >
- >> (with a 5 minute warning) Jamie goes over and sits with Ste and takes his
- >
- >> hand to give his love and support, to share his strength. It was a small
- >> but incredibly intima e act, it was the stuff that relationships are
- >> cemented with AND THE CAMERA CUT AWAY!
- >
- > The scene isn't in the stage play, so feel fortunate that it got added at
- >all. :)
- >>
- >> -What is up with Sandra when she says, Yeah, Ste, that's my name, don't
- >> wear it out."
- >
- > Ste has just said her name about four times in two sentences, reassuring
- >her that he and Jamie won't be "messing around" when she leaves the room.
- >
- >Gary
- >
-
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- >From: "Jeff "
- >Subject: Re: Some observations and questions
- >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:39:36 -0600
- >
- >First of all, I'm envious you even got to see a PAL version of BT!
- >
- >I saw it twice in the theater and can hardly wait to pick it apart,
- >lovingly, of course, when it comes out in May (!!!!!!!). Of course you
- >noticed the three classic bloopers (the body mike on Jamie when he's
- >wrestling with Sandra; the amazing reappearing Gay Times on the shelf; the
- >sound boom in a scene with Leah). Hey, we're getting to the level of "Star
- >Wars" fans here. Have you ever seen how they deconstruct the movies they so
- >love? Some of the observations we make on BT are bordering on "Get a Life"
- >magnitude, but, hey, it shows the depth and breadth of what this movie
- >means to us. The best movies in history have goofy mistakes and debatable
- >points. But we still adore them.
- >
- >>
- >> Hmmmn....
- >> -What movie did Jamie turn on to watch after bailing out of football
- >> practice?
- >
- >Gonna have to see it myself again (and again and again)
- >>
- >> -Would any eyebrows be raised by parents or peers by a boy who was always
- >> gelling his hair? Or is that quite "normal" these days?
- >
- >I'd say normal. Sandra is vain. Perhaps she just feels he's carrying on
- >with that. As for stereotypical gay aspects of Jamie, Glen does seem to
- >play him a little, uh, straighter than the play would have him. I wouldn't
- >expect Jamie to be a flaming queen. I think that would have made him too
- >much unmatchable with Ste, the butch thing he is. And does anyone notice
- >that Sandra comments on how short Jamie is and asks whether the kids are
- >calling him Stumpy. Yet he is taller than Ste. Hmm, Ste makes up for his
- >height in athletic prowess, I guess.
- >
- >> -Doesn't Sandra come across at the beginning of the film as just bitter
- >> and mean? Really unlikable? I have to admit that after my forth viewing
- >> I've warmed to her considerably though.
- >
- >Sandra's great. Tough as nails before you get to know her. And we get to
- >know her through the movie. I liked that effect. The scene after Jamie and
- >Sandra fight changed my image of her. A lesbian friend of mine, looking
- >for some meaning in all of this for her, saw some significance in Sandra's
- >relationship with her barmaid friend. What's that all about? Perhaps this
- >is why Sandra is the serial monogamist that she is. Hasn't found the
- >right, uh, person?
- >>
- >> -What does Sandra mean when she says, "...it's unatural for a girl Leah's
- >> age to be into Mama Cass..."?
- >
- >She goes on to say Leah should like Madonna. Instead, Leah has fallen for
- >a singer from another generation. Unnatural in Sandra's eyes.
- >>
- >> -Was the dumping of the burned potatoes onto Ste's plate by his shit of a
- >
- >> dad meant simply to be a rebuke or was it a form of punishment (ie, he
- >> _has_ to now eat it all)? By Ste's reaction, I'm guessing the latter but
- >> it wasn't clear (to me, at least).
- >
- >I think punishment. He's supposed to be the alter ego of Sandra. We don't
- >like Ronnie. Or we're not supposed to. This just illustrates how
- >despicable he is. Are we to assume Ste eats them and is clutched over in
- >pain when he has his bedroom tiff with Trevor? Here's an angle for a
- >possible mythical sequel: The abuse gets so bad that Social Services (or
- >its British equivalent) removes Ste from Ronnie's custody and lets him
- >live with Sandra and Jamie! (am I being too American here? )
- >
- >As for camera cuts that are too fast or too sharp, I believe this was
- >Hettie's first film. She'll get better. I'd just hope she would have
- >better editors.
- >
- >>
- >> -What is up with Sandra when she says, Yeah, Ste, that's my name, don't
- >> wear it out."
- >
- >I agree with Gary... although it was a bit overdone.
- >
- >All valid observations, Clem. Any chance you can bootleg your PAL version?
- >(believe me, I'd more than make up for the lost revenue for Sony in the
- >gift copies I'm going to buy when the US version comes out!)
- >
- >I, for one, love this kind of debate. Unless we have some kind of
- >international symposium on BT (held at the Gloucester!), this is all we
- >have!
- >
- >Jeff.
- >
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>Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 18:53:01 -0800
>From: Bruce
>Subject: Re: Any further release news for U.S.?
>
>>"Any updates on when BT will be released in the U.S.?"
>>
>>I'm awaiting the word from my contact at Columbia Tristar. I'll let you
know as and when.
>>
>>Davie.
>
>Okay. I guess I'll just have to keep biting my nails and wait. =^(
>
>
>Bruce
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- >From: "David "
- >Subject: Re: Any further release news for U.S.?
- >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:30:56 -0000
- >
- >"Any updates on when BT will be released in the U.S.?"
- >
- >I'm awaiting the word from my contact at Columbia Tristar. I'll let you
- know as and when.
- >
- >Davie.
- >
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- >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 02:03:46 -0600
- >From: Kyle
- >Subject: Re: Any further release news for U.S.?
- >
- >At 03:11 PM 3/29/97 -0800, you wrote:
- >>
- >>
- >>Any updates on when BT will be released in the U.S.?
- >>
- >>
- >>Bruce
- >>
- >>
- >One video place in Dallas told me May 20th.
- >
- > Kyle
- >
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- >From: "Jeff "
- >Subject: Re: Some observations and questions
- >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:40:38 -0600
- >
- >I thought about that... actually. Actually, I thought about that first,
- >but dismissed it. I'll think about that again...
- >
- >----------
- >> From: Shaun
- >> Subject: Re: Some observations and questions
- >> Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 9:04 p.m.
- >>
- >> > I'd say normal. Sandra is vain. Perhaps she just feels he's carrying on
- >> > with that. As for stereotypical gay aspects of Jamie, Glen does seem to
- >> > play him a little, uh, straighter than the play would have him. I wouldn't
- >> > expect Jamie to be a flaming queen. I think that would have made him too
- >> > much unmatchable with Ste, the butch thing he is. And does anyone notice
- >> > that Sandra comments on how short Jamie is and asks whether the kids are
- >> > calling him Stumpy. Yet he is taller than Ste. Hmm, Ste makes up for his
- >> > height in athletic prowess, I guess.
- >>
- >>
- >> Ummm. Just an observation. Jamie *is* taller, and his mum does commment
- >> about his height, but that's not why she asks if anyone is calling him
- >> Stumpy. Right after she says that she says something to the effect of
- >> "It'll stop you know." She's referring to something else I think. Try
to
- >> remember back to being a young teenager. Things just seemed to "pop
up"
- >> when you least expect them to. <grin> think about it.
- >>
- >> Shaun
- >
-
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- >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:33:54 +0100
- >From: "Jason l"
- >Subject: Stage Play
- >
- >Hi...
- >
- >Having watched the film (which I love) on both the big and small screen
- >several times, last night I finally got to see the stage play - produced
- >by a local amateur company. It was fabulous, made all the better by the
- >fact that it was put on in a tiny studio-type theatre holding around 50
- >people, so there was a really intimate atmosphere.
- >
- >Although obviously quality of stage plays will vary, I'd certainly
- >recommend the live experience to anyone who has the opportunity to see
- >it.
- >
- >Incidentally, does anyone keep track of where BT is being produced on
- >stage? Presumably they have to ask for permission?
- >--
-
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- >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 14:59:56 -0500 (EST)
- >From: CARMEN
- >Subject: Re: Some observations and questions
- >
- >
- >On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Jeff wrote:
- >
- >> I thought about that... actually. Actually, I thought about that first,
- >> but dismissed it. I'll think about that again...
- >>
- >> ----------
- >> > From: Shaun
- >> > Subject: Re: Some observations and questions
- >> > Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 9:04 p.m.
- >> >
- >> > > I'd say normal. Sandra is vain. Perhaps she just feels he's carrying
on
- >> > > with that. As for stereotypical gay aspects of Jamie, Glen does seem
to
- >> > > play him a little, uh, straighter than the play would have him. I
wouldn't
- >> > > expect Jamie to be a flaming queen. I think that would have made him
too
- >> > > much unmatchable with Ste, the butch thing he is. And does anyone
notice
- >> > > that Sandra comments on how short Jamie is and asks whether the kids
are
- >> > > calling him Stumpy. Yet he is taller than Ste. Hmm, Ste makes up for
his
- >> > > height in athletic prowess, I guess.
- >> >
- >> >
- >> > Ummm. Just an observation. Jamie *is* taller, and his mum does commment
- >> > about his height, but that's not why she asks if anyone is calling him
- >> > Stumpy. Right after she says that she says something to the effect of
- >> > "It'll stop you know." She's referring to something else I
think. Try
- >> to
- >> > remember back to being a young teenager. Things just seemed to "pop
up"
- >> > when you least expect them to. <grin> think about it.
- >> >
- >> > Shaun
- >>
- >Actually, I think what she's refering to is teasing from his
- >classmates...cause she originally asks if anyone was calling him names,
- >like Stumpy, and when he say, No!, she says, "I told you it'd stop, I
- >told you you'd grow...but you don't take a blind bit o' notice o'me...",
- >so I think that Jamie isn't actually *short* anymore...so I suspect that
- >Ste may actually be closer to average height than you might be
- >thinking....I guess the best way to answer the question is to ask Davie
- >or Andi to ask Glen and Scott for their vital stats from when they were
- >filming...I suspect that that might be a popular page!:-))
- >Tory
- >
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- >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:44:09
- >From: jmcs
- >Subject: Hi, I´m new!
- >
- >Hi everybody,
- >
- >I´m a newcomer to the list. So obviously I´ve not been long enough to know
- what 'discussions' you´ve had about the GME... (what? Don´t you know what
- GME means?)
- >OK, it means the Greatest Movie Ever.
- >
- >I´m Spanish, so excuse me if my English sounds... different. This is my
- last year at the University (I hope so) and my teachers are telling me that
- by now I should be thinking in English, which I´m almost doing. In fact it
- was my English Literature teacher the one that introduced me/us to this
- masterpiece so for that I´ll be eternally grateful. The story is really
- funny but since I´m a chatterbox this could take hours and I don´t want to
- bore you.
- >
- >Now, to a few points.
- >
- >I love EVERYTHING about the film. The best thing I can say to convey what I
- think about it is that every other film makes me think and/or feel. I mean,
- you laugh when you´re supposed to laugh, you cry when you´re supposed to
- cry, etc, but with Beautiful Thing I´m feeling all the time. I don´t know if
- you share my opinion, but the movie left me emotionally drained, and sooo
- happy. I´m smiling at the keyboard as I´m writing this.
- >Since much of the film is told offscreen, the things that I loved the most
- were the ones that were implied or said with other words. It´s so delicate,
- so beautiful... My favourite moment or one of them occurs at the party, when
- Jamie says to Ste: "I´m happy when I´m with you". I´ve never seen a more
- beautiful way to say "I love you".
- >
- >I have so many things to say... but hey, this is my first post. It can wait.
- >
- >There´s one thing I totally agree with Clem when he says that the
- song "16 going on 17" comes in too soon. I also missed a few more seconds of
- intimacy. My 'very fertile imagination' supplied just one more scene between
- Jamie and Ste before they change the scene: Jamie bends over Ste and softly
- kisses his forehead.
- >I also agree with him when he said that the most intimate scene between
- them is when Jamie takes Ste´s hand and caresses it while they´re looking
- into each other´s eyes. To me, this and the final scene where Ste takes
- Jamie´s hand before they start dancing are the most intimate scenes of the
- entire movie. (sigh).
- >
- >Maybe I should stop babbling and leave something for my next posts.
- >
- >Anyway, take care all of you. See ya.
- >
- >
- >Sandra.
- >
- >
- >P.S. To David and Andi. I must thank you for including me on your site. I
- mean, I guess that 'Sandra from Spain' is me, isn´t it? If I´m not, thank
- you anyway. :)
- >
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