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From: <JP

Date: 6/3/97 1:42PM

Subject: Re: Glen Berry Admiration Society

 

 

OK, I'll come out too! I'm a member of the Glen Berry Admiration Society,

and have been all along. Only thing is, I'm not sure how much of it is Glen,

and how much is Jamie. I suspect, actually, that it's Jamie that I admire.

 

:o) jay

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From: Michael

Date: 6/3/97 1:58PM

Subject: Re: rented at last, Simon's Reply

 

Actually Simon, I agree with a lot of what you are saying here. It IS

indeed sad that the major film distributors feel that the mainstream world,

particularily in the US, is not ready for male homosexuality projected in a

positive manner. Take for instance the movie's trailer. Although it

contained no sex and no questionable lanquage (except the word "slut" used

by Leah to describe Madonna) or violence, the Motion Picture Association of

America (MPAA) elected to give it (the trailer) an "R" rating. Why?

Because Americans would rather have their children subjected to gratuitous

sex and senseless violence than deal with a real world issue such as

homo-emotionallity? Perhaps I am not jaded enough yet to believe that.

 

(At 07:46 AM 06/03/97 -0400, you wrote:

>

>Umm, actually I think that is pretty sad, if by that you mean that the

>destributors thought that the only way to get a wide audience is to

>essentialy trick people.

>

>No, my friends point was that the movies essence was completely masked by

>the description on the box. It's only because I told him what it was about

>that he knew at all. Otherwise the box said only "obscure, low-budget

>foreign art flick, don't rent me!"

>

 

>Yes I agree that is what the film's message is, but that isn't the way it's

>being marketed. It's being "marketed" to a niche audience - gays - and no

>attempt is being made (in the US at least) to reach beyound that. Sad, but

true.

>Frankly, I don't understand why, as much "gayer" movies - Pricilla for

>example - recieved good support. Can it be that the boys were presented in

>too positive a light? As too normal and attractive, so not "freaky" and

>stereotypical enough for people to be comfortable with? Is America still not

>ready for a happy-ending, normal gay movie? For more on this thesis, see

>"Celluloid Closet."

>

>I'm really glad to hear that, just bear in mind that straight friends of gay

>people aren't necessarily representative of straights as a whole. Because it

>is so human and universal Beautiful Thing would be just the kind of film

>that could break the barrier into the mainstream. Unfortunatly, the decision

>has been made not to attempt that. Sorry to be so negative, but it's time to

>recognise that the overall impact of the film beyond the already out gay

>world is going to be neglegable. That's not the fault of the film at all, it

>is the fault of the marketers, however. As far as a mass audience is

>concerned, they have killed this wonderful film, and if I sound upset about

>this, it's because I am. On a brighter note, I'm delighted to hear that it

>is to be shown on TV in the UK. I can't imagine that happening on US network

>TV. Bravo Channel 4!

>>

>>

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From: David

Date: 6/3/97 2:02PM

 

Subject: Clarification of 'new members'

 

Jeff, I didn't mean to imply that we'll have hundreds on the list, although that

would be very rewarding. What I meant was hundreds more members of the

Beautiful Thing family.

 

Regarding digests - yes I am looking at that. The current mail server doesn't

support them right now, but will do later this year, or so I'm told.

 

I could try reverting to SLmail, but there were a few issues with it I'm not happen

about. Whatever I use must be able to able to collect mail for me from many

different email accounts, act as a local POP3 server, as well as SMTP tx/rx too.

 

If you know of other Win95 software that can do the same thing as

FTGate (www.demon.co.uk/floosietek/) then let me know and I will evaluate it.

 

Regards, Davie

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From: Todd

Date: 6/3/97 2:52PM

Subject: Re: Announcing

 

It's official! 40,003! Good work Davie!

 

Todd

 

On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, CARMEN  wrote:

 

> Well, i just checked, and it was 39,945....How bout a free t-shirt for

> the 40,000th person????or maybe the 50,000th..you probably couldn't get it

> set up quite this fast...and 50, 000 will probably be pretty soon, if

> we're going to get hundreds of new members! :-)

> tory

> Looking forward to the deluge!

>

>

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From: Keith

Date: 6/3/97 3:02PM

Subject: amazing -Reply

 

Todd,

I recently joined the list, and was astounded when I came in to work the next

morning, and had 17+ messages (from BT). I love it!!! (I'm waiting for my boss to

wonder why the volume of incoming e-mail has just gone up so much!) I love reading

everything everyone else has to say. We all have our own ideas and thoughts, but

at the same time, have so much in common (BT, for one). And I can honestly say

this is the first time ever I have had an intelligent on-going conversation centered

around what it means to be gay. (oops, I guess I'm out now!)

 

Anyway, love hearing from everyone.

 

Keith

 

(P.S. Todd, sorry to hear about the unfortunate problems with your brother

and sis-in-law. Mine don't know yet, I guess out of fear of something like this

happening to me as well.)

 

>>> Todd > 06/03/97 08:31am >>>

It totally amazes me when I get up in the morning and have 17 messages, all

from BT list.

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From: Jeff

Date: 6/3/97 3:17PM

Subject: Re: OFFICIAL GERMAN VIDEO RELEASE PARTY AND DATE

 

YOU MUST GO! And do take pictures!!!

 

Jeff

 

----------

> From: Ralf

> Subject: OFFICIAL GERMAN VIDEO RELEASE PARTY AND DATE

> Date: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 10:36 a.m.

>

> Hi,

>

> now it's official:

>

> The Beautiful Thing video (in German) will be released in Germany on

> July 2, 1997. Price: DM 49,90

>

> There will be an open-air video release party by the video release

> company Pro Fun Media on June 28, 1997 in Frankfurt. Special guests:

> GLEN BERRY & SCOTT NEAL. Admisssion: DM 13 VVK, DM 15 AK.

>

> For more details see the ad in the June issue of Mnner aktuell.

>

> Take care

> Ralf

>

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From: David

Date: 6/3/97 3:26PM

Subject: Re: OFFICIAL GERMAN VIDEO RELEASE PARTY AND DATE

 

I feel a trip to Frankfurt coming on for the 28th!

 

Regards, Davie

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From: Speaker

Date: 6/3/97 3:45PM

Subject: Re: Laserdisc release

 

And thus spake Danny...

> Is there any news on the US laserdisc

> release of the movie?

 

I haven't heard of any. I've been checking http:..www.reel.com

and http://www.kencranes.com/ pretty regularly (at least one per

week) and haven't seen anything yet. I am fearful that it won't release

on laserdisc or dvd. I nothing else maybe it will release on video

tape in letterbox format.

 

> I saw it on video

> a few weeks ago and fell in love with

> the movie.

 

I live in Oklahoma. I read a blurb about BT in The Advocate and

immediately started trying to find wwhere it was playing. I found it

in Dallas at the Inwood theater. I saw it there twice, including once

where I flew down for a day just to see it. I saw it a third time when

I was in San Franscico area this past January. I retned it the night is

released in the U.S. and watched twice that night.

Between the second and third watchings of the movie I bought

the soundtrack (special order) the screenplay and the stageplay.

 

--

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From: David

Date: 6/3/97 3:52PM

Subject: New page idea?

 

Is it of interest for me to add yet another auto-update user page to the site where

we can describe our 'first time' of seeing/finding B.T.?

 

Regards, Davie

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From: Todd

Date: 6/3/97 3:55PM

Subject: BT

 

I know what you mean about a good conversation about being out. About a

month ago (I don't know how new you are) we were posting our outing

experiences. Some were really heart wrenching and some made me envious.

I still have problems with most of my family except my dad and sort of

step-mother & step-sister (they live together, but will never get

married). My dad even came to our wedding! And took pictures!

 

Todd

PS I'm on my work account because I hate using Telnet during the day to

get to my other mail account.

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From: Marc

Date: 6/3/97 4:23PM

Subject: Yet another newbie...

 

I've been lurking now for a week -- I joined the list right after seeing

*the* film last Monday (and Tuesday) -- and I have to say that this is the

nicest, friendliest list I've ever read. You people are just fabulous!

The rabid devotion is akin to that of the My So Called Life list a couple

of years ago.

 

I guess there's not really a point to my post except to, er, "join the

ranks" of BT fans (and the Glen Berry Appreciation Society). Bought the

soundtrack already, too. This film resonates in so many ways that I can't

even really articulate them yet. <sigh>

 

Are there any other Canadians on the list, or even more specifically,

people from British Columbia? I have yet to see the video for sale here in

Vancouver, but it will definitely be well over the $100. mark. I haven't

seen the US video cover, but the Canadian one isn't so bad, I don't think.

 

Marc

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From: JOE

Date: 6/3/97 4:24PM

Subject: Who's cuter? :) (Was:Re: What Spanish cover??)

 

>

>

> At 06:22 PM 6/2/97 -0400, you wrote:

> >Am I the only one that thinks Jamie (Glen Barry) is cuter than Ste

(Scott

> >Neal)?

> >

> >Todd

>

> No I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find us out there. I

think I

> like Jamie more because that was me. I found myself going, "Ohmy

god!

> That's me," through out the whole movie.

>

> shaun

 

I'm not going to take sides (on the issue, that is, as to sides of

either Jamie or Ste, while that's another issue <G>), but I remember

my very first impressions of Glen (as Jamie) were, "Well, he's not

really very cute." (That was when I first saw the film, then the web

site photos right after.) But, darn it all, the more I see it, the

more I can see what Ste saw in Jamie. :)

 

Gary

 

 

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From: Todd

Date: 6/3/97 4:27PM

 

Subject: Re: Laserdisc release

 

Where did you get a copy of the screen & stage play in the States? I want

it and I may be able to talk my husband into letting me buy it, just to

make me happy.

 

You went to Dallas to see the movie from OK? You're more fanatical than

most I think. A good characteristic:-)

 

Todd

 

On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Speaker wrote:

 

> And thus spake Danny...

> > Is there any news on the US laserdisc

> > release of the movie?

>

> I haven't heard of any. I've been checking http:..www.reel.com

> and http://www.kencranes.com/ pretty regularly (at least one per

> week) and haven't seen anything yet. I am fearful that it won't release

> on laserdisc or dvd. I nothing else maybe it will release on video

> tape in letterbox format.

>

> > I saw it on video

> > a few weeks ago and fell in love with

> > the movie.

>

> I live in Oklahoma. I read a blurb about BT in The Advocate and

> immediately started trying to find wwhere it was playing. I found it

> in Dallas at the Inwood theater. I saw it there twice, including once

> where I flew down for a day just to see it. I saw it a third time when

> I was in San Franscico area this past January. I retned it the night is

> released in the U.S. and watched twice that night.

> Between the second and third watchings of the movie I bought

> the soundtrack (special order) the screenplay and the stageplay.

>

> --

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From: JOE

Date: 6/3/97 4:55PM

Subject: Re: Laserdisc release

 

---------

> From: Todd

> Subject: Re: Laserdisc release

> Date: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 3:27 PM

>

> Where did you get a copy of the screen & stage play in the States?

I want

> it and I may be able to talk my husband into letting me buy it,

just to

> make me happy.

 

I got both the screen and stage scripts from www.amazon.com and the

service (and price) was quite good. There are some large bookstores

that carry them, but this is probably the most sure way with the

least effort.

 

Gary

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From: Todd

Date: 6/3/97 5:27PM

Subject: Re: OFFICIAL GERMAN VIDEO RELEASE PARTY AND DATE

 

Must be nice. You have to make sure you take enough film for your camera

though. WE WANT PICTURES!

 

Todd

 

On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, David  wrote:

 

> I feel a trip to Frankfurt coming on for the 28th!

>

> Regards, Davie

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From: Speaker

Date: 6/3/97 6:00PM

Subject: Re: Laserdisc release

 

And thus spake Todd ...

> Where did you get a copy of the screen & stage play in the States? I want

> it and I may be able to talk my husband into letting me buy it, just to

> make me happy.

 

I found the screenplay at "Borders" bookstore. I got the

stageplay from http://www.amazon.com/

 

> You went to Dallas to see the movie from OK? You're more fanatical than

> most I think. A good characteristic:-)

 

Yeah. I've done that a couple of time now and will do so again

this weekend. I've seen Theives, Ridicule, Breaking the Waves, Garden of

the Fitzi-continis (sp?) and I think a couple of others. Those movies

just don't play in Oklahoma. Kida only played at one theater and that

was in Tulsa and only for like a week.

 

--

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From: Leonard

Date: 6/3/97 6:19PM

Subject: Re: Attitude Magazine article

 

Bruce wrote:

 

> Seeing as Gav already mentioned that the issue with the interview

> of

> Glen and Scott is already out of print could some nice person out

> there

> post the article on the list? And, it would be nice if someone

> scanned the

> photos in the article and sent them to Davie so he can put them on

> the

> website.

>

> Bruce

>

> --

> Bruce

 

Guess what

I have a copy of the Attitude issue concerned. If anyone wants a copy

of the article with full colour pictures (or just the pictures) please

let me know and I'll copy some off.

Davie, if you want I can send them to you to put on the web site.

 

Leonard

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From: <HeadDr

Date: 6/3/97 6:45PM

Subject: Late charges.......

 

Well, you'll be happy to know that I just recheck it out 4 times. So not

late charges but the staff at blockbuster thinks I'm crazy!!!!!! LOL

 

jim

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From: <HeadDr

Date: 6/3/97 6:46PM

Subject: Re: Glen vs. Scott

 

I'm standing my ground !!!!! STE!!, Ste!!! STE!!!, STE!!! :)

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From: <HeadDr

Date: 6/3/97 6:47PM

Subject: Re: Attitude Article

 

Kewl... send em on!!!

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From: <HeadDr

Date: 6/3/97 6:51PM

Subject: Re: Late charges from Tower

 

I hope that there not like Blockbuster's!!!!! :)

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From: <HeadDr

Date: 6/3/97 7:02PM

Subject: Re: OFFICIAL GERMAN VIDEO RELEASE PARTY AND DATE

 

How much is a plane ticket from Alabama to Germany?? LOL

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From: Hector

Date: 6/3/97 7:11PM

Subject: question

 

I'm going to gone for a few days. Considering all the email

generated by this list, is it best to unsubscribe and then

re-subscribe when I get back. I'm afraid of filling some mail

buffer and I'm using a work email account. I had 80 emails last

monday.

 

----------------

Hector

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From: Clem

Date: 6/3/97 7:13PM

Subject: Re: OFFICIAL GERMAN VIDEO RELEASE PARTY AND DATE

 

Wow! Davie, are you going to go to this?

 

clem

 

 

carbon life form: Ralf , on 6/3/97 8:36 AM, said:

 

>Hi,

>

>now it's official:

>

>The Beautiful Thing video (in German) will be released in Germany on

>July 2, 1997. Price: DM 49,90

>

 

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From: Clem

Date: 6/3/97 7:26PM

Subject: Re: Yet another newbie...

 

Welcome! You're right...this is one of the best lists I've ever been on.

You actually have real discussions. Imagine that??? People actually care

here. If there was ever a poster child for the internet revolution, this

is it.

 

clem

 

carbon life form: Marc , on 6/3/97 1:23 PM, said:

>I've been lurking now for a week -- I joined the list right after seeing

>*the* film last Monday (and Tuesday) -- and I have to say that this is the

>nicest, friendliest list I've ever read. You people are just fabulous!

> The rabid devotion is akin to that of the My So Called Life list a couple

>of years ago.

<snip>

 

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From: Speaker

Date: 6/3/97 8:09PM

Subject: Re: Attitude Magazine article

 

And thus spake Leonard ...

> Davie, if you want I can send them to you to put on the web site.

 

Uh, anyone ever heard of copyright infringement?

 

--

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From: David

Date: 6/3/97 8:30PM

 

Subject: 40,000+ and going some, Attitude Magazine article, Number of Articles

 

*40,000+ visitors - and several hundred more every day!

 

The last time this happened was when the movie was released on video in the

UK, and during the various international releases on the big screen. This

surge seems to be a result of the American video release.

 

*Attitude Magazine Article.

 

> Uh, anyone ever heard of copyright infringement?

 

I always get releases before adding material to the web site, which is

why I think we have so much co-operation from the agents and production

companies.

 

*Number of Articles

 

The list seems to be going crazy, the number of emails daily has gone

through the roof. Although it is very gratifying can I PLEASE request that

where-ever possible you combine multiple replies into one email as I'm doing here.

 

Also, CUT the size of quotes from previous emails in your own posts.

 

Several people have either complained, or unsubscribed, or both, as a

result of the volume. Additionally, it is causing my modem to be online far

more than I'm happy with during daytime hours, when phone charges to my

ISP are expensive.

 

I'm going through the process of creating a news-group on Usenet for us to handle

this level of discussion. Once it is operating and has propagated around the news

network we can switch our discussions to it, reserving the list for intensely personal issues.

 

Here's the proposal I've put forward:

 

------------------

alt.movies.beautiful-thing

 

Charter:

Discussion and news surrounding the movie Beautiful Thing, the original stage play,

video, music, it's effect on thousands of fans around the world. Meeting place where

fans can exchange views.

 

Justification:

The email list supporting the movie is being overloaded with in excess of 60 articles

a day from hundreds of subscribers.

 

A newsgroup is a more appropriate forum for the type of discussions continued on the

mail list, and easier for fans to use (threads, filters in news-readers for instance).

 

There are tens of thousands of fans around the world using the Internet who have

already visited the movie's own web site. Many of these want to take part in discussions

but find the amount of email coming from the list a problem.

---------------

 

If you want to help me get the group accepted, subscribe to the alt.config newsgroup

and make your support for the proposed group known.

 

Regards, Davie

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From: Keith

Date: 6/3/97 8:43PM

Subject: Yet another newbie... -Reply

 

Marc,

 

Just wanted to say welcome aboard!

 

(Sorry, though, I'm not from Canada, but from the US)

 

I've only been here a few weeks, but but this is the greatest bunch of people!

 

Keith

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From: Keith

Date: 6/3/97 8:44PM

Subject: BT -Reply

 

Todd,

 

Was there two or three of those outing stories that really left an impression, that you

could forward to me?

 

I'd like to see them!

 

Thanks,

 

Keith

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From: JOE

Date: 6/3/97 8:57PM

Subject: Internet Movie Database Ratings

 

In preparing material for my summer film course, which began last night,

I ran off a lot of material for each of the eleven films that I

downloaded from the Internet Movie Database.

I know a lot of you are familiar with IMDB (www.imdb.com), but you might

be interested in the ratings (based on votes of IMDB users) for each of

the eleven films I'm showing this term:

(Maximum is 10 points)

 

Citizen Kane 8.8

Casablanca 8.8

Europa, Europa 8.6

Beautiful Thing 9.1

Wild Reeds 8.5

Au Revoir Les Enfants 8.3

African Queen 8.2

Clueless 7.9

A Midnight Clear 8.8

War of the Buttons 8.7

Vertigo 8.5

 

Anyone notice what film had the highest rating? Hmmm? :)

 

Gary

--

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From: J M

Date: 6/3/97 9:06PM

Subject: Re: New page idea?

 

Davie, I love the Idea! I will send mine in!

 

David  wrote:

>

> Is it of interest for me to add yet another auto-update user page

to the site where we can describe our 'first time' of seeing/finding B.T.?

 

jmr

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From: <Joe

Date: 6/3/97 9:53PM

Subject: Re: Announcing

 

Got a question for you.....any way to actually Email the writer of Beautiful

Thing - J. Harvey? I am working on a novel (for 5 years actually) and I was

wondering if i could get input from him. Thanks a lot.

 

Jimmy

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From: <HeadDr

Date: 6/3/97 10:17PM

Subject: Re: Who's cuter? :) (Was:Re: What Spanish cover??)

 

Again... I'll take Ste for 500 Alex..... LOL

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From: <HeadDr

Date: 6/3/97 10:21PM

Subject: Re: Yet another newbie...

 

Your right, this is the nicest list!! Lots of fun and kidding around and a

touch of seriousness to keep us all down to earth.... I love it. By the

way, the lowest price that I have seen is 80.00 for TLA video.. But you

can still get Jerry Maguire for 14.88 at WalMart :)

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From: Bruce

Date: 6/3/97 11:38PM

Subject: Re: newbie :)

 

 

>Hi! My name's John, and I live in what my friends and I term "the buckle of

>the bible belt" (aka Tallahassee, Florida). Surprisingly, gay cinima

>manages to trickle down to us somehow (HA! bloody but unbowed), and we get

>to see awsome movies like Beautiful Thing.

 

 

Hi John, welcome to the list! You TOO have just joined the ranks of the

truly fanatical Beautiful Thing fans. =^)

 

cheers,

 

Bruce

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From: Bruce

Date: 6/3/97 11:38PM

Subject: Re: Yet another newbie...

 

 

>I've been lurking now for a week -- I joined the list right after seeing

>*the* film last Monday (and Tuesday) -- and I have to say that this is the

>nicest, friendliest list I've ever read. You people are just fabulous!

> The rabid devotion is akin to that of the My So Called Life list a couple

>of years ago.

 

 

Hi Marc, welcome to the list! You have just joined the ranks of the

truly fanatical Beautiful Thing fans. =^)

 

cheers,

 

Bruce

 

 

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From: Alfred

Date: 6/4/97 12:33AM

Subject: BTBTBTBTBTBT

 

Hi everybody,

so many great things have already been said about this wonderful movie.

Nevertheless I feel the need do share my feelings. Never before I have seen such

a touching movie. Outstanding actors who are directed carefully through a

scintillating story, But, at my sader days, I feel some kind of a grief when

watching BT. It's only a film, I tell myself then. Yes, and that is exactly the

grief, istn't it.

 

"Thus have I had thee, as a dream doth flatter,

in sleep a king, but waking no such matter"

 

Love to everybody

 

PS: Todd, I agree with you. Glen is oh so cute. Especially when he (or Jamie) is

wearing his glasses.

 

PPS: Looking forward to seeing you all in Frankfurt.

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