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From: "Harry

Date: 6/11/97 5:36PM

Subject: Re: Glen and Scott and THE kiss...

 

Yeah, I've heard that one before. Committed str8 boys under the influence

of a few drinks and they just go for it. Had one ask me once several days

later that he vaguely remembered whiskers rubbing against his cheek and was

he gay? I'm much too honest and answered that one encounter doesn't mean

that one is gay. I wish that I'd had the presence of mind to think of

Jamie's answer: 'Doesn't matter what I think." Might have had more fun

exploring his limits. Tom the Body we called him, just among us girls.

- Harry

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From: Speaker

Date: 6/11/97 5:56PM

Subject: Re: News group

 

And thus spake Gavin ...

> 1. No newsgroup control message has been received.

 

He can create it even without a control message.

 

> 2. Even if one was received, it would have been rejected, because

> a. One component is overlong (beautiful_thing)

> --I haven't a clue what the legal limit is.

 

Don't think there is one. There's an RFC, 1040 I think, that

specifies headers for newsgroups and I don't recall seeing a limit

on the length of the name. I may be wrong. Been a while since I read it.

 

> b. Underscore characters are not allowed.

 

See above.

 

he might be running into implementation issues with his

news server software though. Bet it's NT. :-(

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From: Speaker

Date: 6/11/97 6:25PM

Subject: Re: Glen and Scott and THE kiss...

 

And thus spake David

> In preparation for the kiss, Glen and Scott had a few shots of whiskey, =

> then, as Glen put it "we just went for it" .

 

Not to be a spoil sport, but to you have a source for

this information? A magazine interview? Is this first hand information

from either Glen or Scott?

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From: Pat

Date: 6/11/97 8:07PM

Subject: Re: Glen and Scott and THE kiss...

 

At 10:13 PM -0800 on 6/10/97, David  wrote:

 

 

> In preparation for the kiss, Glen and Scott had a few shots of whiskey,

>then, as Glen put it "we just went for it" .

 

That's almost as disillusioning as Scott having to constantly use a tear

stick because he couldn't cry on cue as mentioned in the article in

Attitude. I still think they did a damn good job during the intimate scenes

even though they had to go through some "preparation" for it, but knowing

that they had to consume alcohol to look so convincingly real slightly

tarnsihed the grand delusion I've made for myself that Jamie & Ste really

are gay guys living in Thamestead and not just some actors working on just

another gig. The thought that these guys are just actors and that this is

just a fictional movie really gets to me. I guess it's because the feelings

and situations in the movie are so very close to my life and I can see a

large part of myself in both the characters of Jamie & Ste. It seems so

real to me. And I'm just babbling incoherently, aren't I?

 

Pat

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From: Speaker

Date: 6/11/97 8:17PM

Subject: Re: newsgroup

 

And thus spake Kenneth ...

> GO TO DEJA NEWS AND CHECK AND THERE...kEN

 

I did. I didn't find it.

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From: <HeadDr

Date: 6/11/97 8:26PM

Subject: Re: No Subject

 

What's his address?? LOL :)

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From: Todd

Date: 6/11/97 8:57PM

Subject: Re: newsgroup

 

Sorry Keith. But just to rub it in a little more, I show two posts on it

as well:)

Todd

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> From: Kevin

> Subject: Re: newsgroup

> Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 12:26 AM

>

> > I just checked the news server with my IP and found the most wonderful

> > newsgroup: alt.movies.beautiful_thing! All right Daive!

> ______________________

> Hey that's not fair...my IP doesn't have that newsgroup!!! :(

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From: <Jody

Date: 6/11/97 9:32PM

Subject: Re: An American BT

 

In a message dated 97-06-11 10:18:34 EDT, you write:

 

> Eventually

> the second boy also runs away (with some help from a slightly older German

> guy who drinks a lot). He meets up with the first who is now a prostitute.

> The second becomes a prostitute as well but they are in love so it doesn't

> matter as much. Things go down hill from there. Go figure.

 

The name of the film, I believe is "The Trowlers and the Wayfarers." I

 

J

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From: Bruce

Date: 6/11/97 10:09PM

Subject: Re: American BT

 

 

>Look at Birdcage, Justin. The Americanized "La Cage," which I really

>didn't like. But see how it attracted a wide audience and made lots of

>money... and set the images of gays back 10 years IMHO. Maybe an

>Americanized BT would be good. If done right, of course.

 

 

Hello everyone! I would hate to see an "Americanized" version of

Beautiful Thing. We take really wonderful foreign films and turn them into

watered down pale imitations of their former selves, such as The Birdcage.

 

What I think would be interesting would be an American film LIKE

Beautiful Thing but not a remake. And NOT a big studio film! They would

most certainly make it as bland as possible to appeal to a large number of

people (a la The Birdcage). It would definitely have to be a production by

a small, independent studio (that's who makes all the best gay films in the

U.S. these days anyway). A U.S. remake of Beautiful Thing, no matter how

carefully done, well-crafted or thoughtfully written, could never be

1/100th as good as the film that we all know and love. You really can't

remake a classic!

 

cheers,

 

Bruce

 

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From: John

Date: 6/12/97 12:04AM

Subject: Re: To Gary and the list

 

 

>But I had a hard time relating to a lot of the characters in the film. At

>moments I found them interesting and enjoyable; then again they really

>irked me something fierce. I suppose this means it's a good movie as this

>is how I feel about many of my friends in real life! But I'm not sure.

>Where does it begin, the chicken or the egg? Are gay men the way they are

>(and there are many different varieties) because we've adopted the roll

>models we've been given -- or are we actually these characatures in essence?

 

Maybe a little of both?

 

>The same question can be asked of straight people, by the way. Are they the

>way they are because that IS they way they truly are, or are they just

>being that way because they are playing the rolls they've been given to

>play?

 

I think this would depend on if you think sexuality is determined

genetically or socially. Yes? No?

 

>This relates to another issue that is being spoken about, how many of us

>feel alienated by our own "community" of gay men and women. And, to the

>extent that we do feel this alienation, how much of it is due to our own

>internalized homophobia and how much of it is just plane dislike for the

>games some of us play?

 

This is an interesting question, and I have to admit I find myself asking it

a lot! 90% of my friends are heterosexual. However, I don't really think

it's due to my hateing my sexuality. On the contrary, I'm very comfortable

with myself and the world around me. IMHO the answer to this question also

within the individual.

 

>These are issues I've been thinking about and sorting out all my life. I

>can tell you this: I know literally HUNDREDS of gay men and what surprises

>me is their utter diversity. I can tell you without doubt, there is no such

>thing as a typical gay man. I know young ones, old ones, cute ones, plane

>ones, big ones, little ones, straight acting and bent acting -- everything

>from leather to Queen Ann's lace, with some Prince Alberts thrown in just

>for kicks. The ONLY thing they ALL have in common is their "sexual

>orientation" -- and there's a lot of diversity even within that.

>

>So, who ARE we, anyway?

 

*chuckle* Mike when you figure out the answer to this one, PLEASE tell me:).

In reguards to the above, I wold liek to share a personal goal. It's my

wish to be viewed NOT as a gay man, but a man who just happens to be gay.

*Pax Mundi*

- We could change things back. If we believed. If we dreamed.

We are dreams of the carrion kind, they say, and perhaps it is so.

But if enough of us dream...if a bare thousand of us dream...we

can change the world.

"A Dream of a Thousand Cats."

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From: Kevin

Date: 6/12/97 12:15AM

Subject: Re: To Gary and the list -Reply

 

> So it seems

> to me that we are in the unique position of setting ourselves apart

> first, letting everybody know why we are different, and making them okay

> with that, and then convincing them that we are no different than anybody

> else. It seems a strange position to be in.

 

______________________________________________

Amen to that!!!!

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From: Kevin

Date: 6/12/97 12:26AM

Subject: Re: To Gary and the list

 

>

> ------

> > From: Todd

> >

> > Mike,

> > You've hit on something I've been wondering myself for a long time.

> I

> > didn't come out till I was almost 27, and boy have I gotten an

> education

> > these last 2 years. One thing I think is true is that straight

> people in

> > our society are more free to be whatever they want to be. We on

> the other

> > hand have to be more cautious in how we present ourselves so we

> don't get

> > alienated or worse. That too changes with many factors I won't go

> into.

> > I scare my gay friends sometimes with some of my 'straight'

> interests.

>

> Todd,

> In order to save bandwidth (for Davie), this would be a great topic

> to continue once we all have the new newsgroup on our ISPs.

> In the meantime, it is such an important issue, especially for a lot

> of gay guys who will see BT the first time and realize who they

> really are.

> You know, etiquette books tell us that, in polite society, one does

> not discuss politics or religion. Well, "polite" gay society tries

> too often to tell us we do not (1) discuss sports or show any

> interest in it and (2) say anything critical about drag, since we all

> know that every "queen" really wants to put on a dress.

> Be warned, though: the last time I tried in an online forum to talk

> about gays actually _liking_ sports, I was flamed! I was told (a)

> that all _real_ gay guys had a horrible time in P.E. class, (b) no

> _real_ gay guy plays or likes sports and (c) my liking sports was

> obviously an internally homophobic attitude toward who I really was.

> Amazing!

> Hey, if you love to drive to the opera in drag while listening to

> Judy Garland tapes in your car, then fine. It's your right. Just

> don't deny my right - as a gay man - to drive to the football game in

> jeans and a sweatshirt while listening to Green Day. :) (Of

> course, we _might_ listen to showtunes if Jamie were in the car with

> me.) <G>

>

> Gary

_________________________

Go Gary!!!

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From: Kenneth

Date: 6/12/97 12:30AM

Subject: Re: Were They?

 

Let's see, I tend to disagree. Look at Joey Stefano <Considered art by

some>, Oscar Wilde and his passions and Walt Whitman always put part of him

in his work. So did Mark Twain, etc...Need I say more.

 

I think JH put some of him in the play/screenplay.

 

Ken

 

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> From: Joe

> Subject: Re: Were They?

> Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 3:06 PM

>

> In response to John's Comment - Don't you Think ALL the arts are

that

> way? The artist is separatr from the Work?

>

> JIm

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From: Adam

Date: 6/12/97 12:44AM

Subject: Re:

 

Chainarong  wrote:

 

> Hi all

> I'm not sure you guys would like to hear this. I went to a movie

> screening

> last week (part of the New York Lesbian and Gay Film Festival). I

> overheard a

> guy talking about BT. He said:

> I didn't like BT. I saw no point of the movie. The first 45

> min dealing with

> abusive behavior, the last part they just ran around in the forest.

> And

> PA-LEASE, Mama Cass. UGH!! I totally couldn't stand that kind of

> British

> accent. Blah Blah Blah.

>

> Please someone go out and kill this guy.

>

> Neil

 

Gimme his name and I'll take care of it:P

Adam

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From: MR J J

Date: 6/12/97 2:14AM

Subject: Re: your mail

 

 

 

On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Chainarong  wrote:

 

> Hi all

> I'm not sure you guys would like to hear this. I went to a movie screening

> last week (part of the New York Lesbian and Gay Film Festival). I overheard a

> guy talking about BT. He said:

> I didn't like BT. I saw no point of the movie. The first 45 min dealing with

> abusive behavior, the last part they just ran around in the forest. And

> PA-LEASE, Mama Cass. UGH!! I totally couldn't stand that kind of British

> accent. Blah Blah Blah.

>

> Please someone go out and kill this guy.

>

> Neil

>

 

Certainly!!! *Joe grabs his gun*

 

 

Lemmeatim! Grrrrrrr

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From: Mike

Date: 6/12/97 3:07AM

Subject: Re: Glen and Scott and THE kiss...

 

At 4:07 PM -0800 6/11/97, Pat  wrote:

 

>The thought that these guys are just actors and that this is

>just a fictional movie really gets to me. I guess it's because the feelings

>and situations in the movie are so very close to my life and I can see a

>large part of myself in both the characters of Jamie & Ste. It seems so

>real to me. And I'm just babbling incoherently, aren't I?

>

>Pat

 

Well, not exactly. You're talking about how much you value the feelings

this film evokes in you and how it is a bit difficult to jibe that with the

"reality" that this is "only" a film and that the characaters are "only"

actors.

 

Well, hold on. What IS real is the feelings this film evokes in you, right?

Art is always "out there", and artists (whether painters, musicians, poets

or play writes) have to use "techniques" to evoke certain things IN you.

What's important is not the techniques but what they evoke, get it?

 

How do you konw there isn't a real Jamie and a real Ste somewhere? My

belief is that there are thousands of them -- I think I'm talking with a

few right here on this list.

 

:-)

 

Mike

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From: Mike

Date: 6/12/97 3:12AM

Subject: Re: An American BT

 

At 9:33 PM -0400 6/11/97, Jody wrote:

>In a message dated 97-06-11 10:18:34 EDT, you write:

>

>> Eventually

>> the second boy also runs away (with some help from a slightly older German

>> guy who drinks a lot). He meets up with the first who is now a prostitute.

>> The second becomes a prostitute as well but they are in love so it doesn't

>> matter as much. Things go down hill from there. Go figure.

>

>The name of the film, I believe is "The Trowlers and the Wayfarers." I

>

>J

 

Almost, Jody, thanks! I believe its "The Toilers and the Wayfarers."

 

Mike

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From: Jason

Date: 6/12/97 3:23AM

Subject: The Newest Debate.....

 

Hello All,

 

IM not really sure what is going on, all I know is I awoke this

morning to a new channel, and a whole lot of turmoil on the net. I have not

spoken with Davie, not because I did not want to, but because I have not

been on line today. Apparently there has been a whole lot of talk, and I am

here to say, there was NO falling out between Davie and I, nor do I intend

for there to be. Albeit, I was just as shocked as the rest of you this

morning to learn the channel has been changed, but this is IRC, and things

change quickly. If there is any continued talk of Davie and Jason and war,

or Davie and Jason hate eachother, I ask as a favor for it to please stop,

I dont need it and I am sure Davie does not either. I recall we all came

together for a common thing, Beautiful Thing. And it seems for some, we

have swayed from that. We all have enough happening in the "real world"

this really should be a nice place to come and relax. I know I intend to

make the most of my time on line chatting with friends, about things I

enjoy talking about, not whether Davie and I are fighting, I really don' t

need it. The channel has a new name, same people, different name. Thats it.

The Channel is not about management and who is "in control" This is a

public channel for everyone associated with the movie to be here and

discuss it, have equal control, (which I see Davie has done) and most of

all, ENJOY it. Thanks for your time. :)

 

Yours, Jason

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From: mesocyclone

Date: 6/12/97 3:42AM

Subject: Re: An American BT

 

Actually, I think you have the wrong film. The Trowlers and Wayfarers

doesn't sound right, and neither does the plot described previously. If

I recall correctly, in the description I read, neither boy runs away or

becomes a protitue (neither do they speak German. The films set in

Minnesota, why would they speak German?). It was called something else.

I know I'm being incredibly vague, but I can't seem to find the article

anywhere. I think it was in the Dec/Jan issue of XY....

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From: mesocyclone

Date: 6/12/97 4:05AM

Subject: John Altman?

 

Doesn anyone know anything about Mr. Altman? HIs medley for the movie

is the most brilliant part of the soundtrack, IMHO. Partly bc of the way

it's used (very subtley, almost not there), and the way it so accurately

conveys the mood of what's going on. I fall asleep to it every night.

Does anyone know if he's done anything else?

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From: Adam

Date: 6/12/97 5:45AM

Subject: Re: Were They?

 

Hello all I just wanted to drop a line and say how happy I am being part

of this list. (I know I am pretty cheesy) But seriously some of the

topics of conversation have really gotten me thinking, for the good, and

I have really enjoyed it:). The main reason I am writing was to suggest

an idea, I was wondering if someone could put together a list of all the

people on this list, ie real names, email addresses, location and age er

something. I see lots going by but am somewhat at a loss to try and

figure out who's who sometimes. I think that the topics we have been

disgussing such as love etc, are far overdue in the gay community. I

have many a times put my 2-cents worth in, and I will refrain from doing

that now. But I seriously think we should get together somewhere

someday and all hang out. It seems we all share something in common,

our Love for the Movie BT, but as we have been finding out, that stems

from a much deeper common denominator, all of our desires to love and be

loved, sex aside. ;) Well anywho, I best be off to bed, got along day

at work tomorrow. Keep the good stuff comming:)

Adam

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From: David

Date: 6/12/97 6:12AM

Subject: Re: The Newest Debate.....

 

My mate Jason wrote...

 

"Apparently there has been a whole lot of talk, and I am here to say,

there was NO falling out between Davie and I, nor do I intend for

there to be."

 

Hmmm... news to me, too Jason!!

 

I posted an article to the list yesterday lunchtime asking if we could

alter the _ (underscore) separating Beautiful from Thing to an -

(hyphen) purely because I don't want the hassle of dealing with the

questions already coming in to me about the name of the news-group and

the channel - the difference has confused several people already!

 

The original channel is still there, and I'm not dictating to anyone

what channel to use - I created the new channel so that people

deciding to switch would find it already logged on the chanserv at

DALnet.

 

When I went to add people to the SuperOps list for the channel I

discovered that I have to IDENTIFY to nickserv first - and I've

forgotten the password I used to register my nick - doh!

 

So, for now I have Auto-opped everyone I've seen, and emailed DALnet

support to ask if they can help me remember/replace my password. Once

that happens, I'll add those SuperOps and transfer 'Founder' status to

the founder of the _underscore_ channel.

 

Believe me, I have no wish to take on ANY more work or responsibility

than I already have now. Currently, I'm handling around 225 Beautiful

Thing related emails A DAY! Anything I can do to reduce that I will

do, if I seem not to consult at times it's because I'm working at top

speed and don't feel I have the time to wait.

 

I'm starting at 6.30am and working a Beautiful-Thing day through to

the late hours - usually 9pm or later.

 

You can help by posting to the news-group rather than the email list,

so volume of email on that is reduced too.

 

I'm not looking forward to getting back here Sunday evening after the

meet in London, purely because I know there will be a MASSIVE pile of

emails awaiting me. I did want to take a vacation but I quite simply

daren't.

 

I'll leave the rest of the news to another email.

 

Regards, Davie

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From: David

Date: 6/12/97 6:15AM

Subject: Ooops! Jonathan Harvey's Birthday is Friday - not Wednesday!!

 

I'm working too hard - that must be it!! *grin*

 

Okay, for the record, Jonathan was born on 13th June, 1968.

Regards, Davie

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From: David

Date: 6/12/97 6:23AM

Subject: Rights to perform the stage play

 

After talking to some of you in email, I know there is interest in

putting the play on in various places around the world.

 

I chatted to Jonathan's agent about this a few minutes ago. Rights

*ARE* available worldwide, despite what you may have been told.

Specifically, Sony DO NOT hold rights in the USA through early 1998.

 

In fact, the agent is in New York next week to discuss projects for

putting the play on stage.

 

If you really are keen to perform Beautiful Thing you should write to:

 

(Jonathan Harvey Stage-plays)

William Morris Agency

31-32 Soho Square

London WC1V 5GD

UK

 

Make clear if it is an amateur or professional performance you intend.

 

Regards, Davie

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From: David

Date: 6/12/97 6:46AM

Subject: Beautiful Thing movement?

 

I've been thinking for a time that it's a shame non-Internet fans

haven't the chance to share in what we have going here.

 

Adam Laird's comment in the list today echo's something I, and I'm

sure many others, have been thinking for some time.

 

Therefore, I'm investigating the practicality of setting up something

akin to a fan club, but with wider scope - something that can carry

the message to a wider public around the world.

 

If we were to form a movement with agreement from Jonathan, we might

be able to spread a little love, happiness, not to mention education,

around the planet.

 

Funding of course is always going to be a problem. A traditional fan

club would have subscriptions and require a large degree of

administration. I'm not convinced that approach would achieve the goal

I see for such an undertaking.

 

How about a magazine "Beautiful Thing" published maybe once every

three months? It could contain articles and letters from contributors,

groups, and influential community leaders around the world.

 

Funding would come from the cover price, plus carrying advertising.

Subscriptions would ensure everyone would receive their through the

mail, and in addition we could investigate selling it on news-stands.

 

I'm talking to a publisher this morning about the possibility of

getting together with him to make the magazine happen.

 

Let's discuss some ideas of how we could proceed with a movement and

then I'll put the proposal to Jonathan.

Regards, Davie

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From: David

Date: 6/12/97 6:50AM

Subject: London, sleeping space needed, Dutch couple - Sat/Sunday 2 nights

 

The subject says it all.

 

Two fans arriving in London Saturday for the meet require accomodation

for Saturday and Sunday nights. They are returning to Amsterdam Monday

evening.

 

Can you help?

 

Regards, Davie

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From: Todd

Date: 6/12/97 9:09AM

Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing movement?

 

Great Idea! I'd definetly support it, and it's founder of course:) I'm

not much of a writer, but I'd be glad to help in anyway I can.

 

Todd

 

On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, David wrote:

 

> I've been thinking for a time that it's a shame non-Internet fans

> haven't the chance to share in what we have going here.

>

> Adam Laird's comment in the list today echo's something I, and I'm

> sure many others, have been thinking for some time.

>

> Therefore, I'm investigating the practicality of setting up something

> akin to a fan club, but with wider scope - something that can carry

> the message to a wider public around the world.

>

> If we were to form a movement with agreement from Jonathan, we might

> be able to spread a little love, happiness, not to mention education,

> around the planet.

>

> Funding of course is always going to be a problem. A traditional fan

> club would have subscriptions and require a large degree of

> administration. I'm not convinced that approach would achieve the goal

> I see for such an undertaking.

>

> How about a magazine "Beautiful Thing" published maybe once every

> three months? It could contain articles and letters from contributors,

> groups, and influential community leaders around the world.

>

> Funding would come from the cover price, plus carrying advertising.

> Subscriptions would ensure everyone would receive their through the

> mail, and in addition we could investigate selling it on news-stands.

>

> I'm talking to a publisher this morning about the possibility of

> getting together with him to make the magazine happen.

>

> Let's discuss some ideas of how we could proceed with a movement and

> then I'll put the proposal to Jonathan.

> Regards, Davie

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From: Shaun

Date: 6/12/97 10:03AM

Subject: Re: Were They?

 

Not true. WHen I write, I tend to write about things that are very

personal to me. It helps add reality to what I am doing. Actually, to

amend my earlier comments, When I have to play a role, the thing that works

for me is that I find something in the character that I can relate to.

Then I use that to bring my character to life. I'm sure Scott and Glen

aren't gay, but they've gone through conflicts before. All kids do when

they're growing up. It's thing like that, that can be used to fuel a

character.

 

Shaun

 

>In response to John Gault's Comment - Don't you Think ALL the arts are that

>way? The artist is separatr from the Work?

>

>JIm

>

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From: Kenneth

Date: 6/12/97 10:29AM

Subject: Re: newsgroup

 

So did I and I didn't find it either. Usually it takes several days before

anything shows up after you post to a newsgroup or a newsgroup to show

because of the volume of postings.

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From: yelena

Date: 6/12/97 11:54AM

Subject: Re: The Newest Debate.....

 

please unsubscribe me, the amount of mail is just immpossible.

 

At 00:23 12/06/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello All,

>

> IM not really sure what is going on, all I know is I awoke this

>morning to a new channel, and a whole lot of turmoil on the net. I have not

>spoken with Davie, not because I did not want to, but because I have not

>been on line today. Apparently there has been a whole lot of talk, and I am

>here to say, there was NO falling out between Davie and I, nor do I intend

>for there to be. Albeit, I was just as shocked as the rest of you this

>morning to learn the channel has been changed, but this is IRC, and things

>change quickly. If there is any continued talk of Davie and Jason and war,

>or Davie and Jason hate eachother, I ask as a favor for it to please stop,

>I dont need it and I am sure Davie does not either. I recall we all came

>together for a common thing, Beautiful Thing. And it seems for some, we

>have swayed from that. We all have enough happening in the "real world"

>this really should be a nice place to come and relax. I know I intend to

>make the most of my time on line chatting with friends, about things I

>enjoy talking about, not whether Davie and I are fighting, I really don' t

>need it. The channel has a new name, same people, different name. Thats it.

>The Channel is not about management and who is "in control" This is a

>public channel for everyone associated with the movie to be here and

>discuss it, have equal control, (which I see Davie has done) and most of

>all, ENJOY it. Thanks for your time. :)

>

>Yours, Jason

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