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>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:36:45 -0800

>From: Bruce

>Subject: Re: Help, Video Release

>

>>I will personally lobby each and every video store in the city of Omaha to

>>buy copies of BT! Any chance, you suppose, that they could order one for

>>the common person? May 20 cannot come too soon.

>

>

> Hi Jeff. I don't mean to dampen your enthusiasm but I hope you don't

mind shelling out a few bucks. When videos are first released the movie

companies figure that only video stores are going to buy them and so they

try to maximize their profits by pricing them pretty steeply--usually around

$99.95 or so. The video rental stores probably don't actually pay that

much, especially the huge chains like Blockbuster that buy a large number of

films at once. But, you better believe they will be more than happy to

charge YOU full price! If you wait a while the movie company will release

more copies for people to buy, at a more reasonable price of say $29.95 or

$19.95 .

>

> I think Beautiful Thing is one of the most wonderful films I've ever

seen but I'm not sure I would be willing to fork over $100 to buy it. You'd

probably just be better off renting it several times until it comes down in

price. I believe David  said it would be available for sale (to us

regular folks) sometime around the end of the year, which probably means

November/December. Hey, just in time to make a wonderful Christmas gift, eh?

>

>

>cheers,

>

>Bruce

>

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>Subject: Re: Thick Git and Stumpy :-) (sounds Like a cartoon!)

>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 13:13:43 -0000

>From: Clem

>

>Hi Andi

>We never hear from you! Good to do so now...

>Hey, that sounds like a great idea.. Although, assuming that the server

>you mentioned is in the UK, will we (pacific coasters) need some special

>access permisions set up before hand? Though I've done a lot of chat and

>stuff I am still an IRC novice and have been denied when I've tried to

>log on in the past. Something about not having the right authentication.

>

>But I'm up for trying.

>

>thanks again for all your work on the merchandising!

>

>later,

>clem

>

>

>

>Andi 4/2/97 2:44 PM

>

>>Just an Idea, I know that Jay is on IRC (Hiya Jay :-) ) what about a

>>meeting of the list members sometime over a weekend or so, getting on

>>irc.stealth.net server and joining in a conversation is realtime meeting

>>everyone??

>>

>>If you are on IRC my nick has changed to Taz-Devil , if you see me around,

>>say Hi!

>>

>>Take care and chat to you all again soon

>>Andi

>

>

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>From: "Andi "

>Subject: Thick Git and Stumpy :-) (sounds Like a cartoon!)

>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:44:18 +0100

>

>Right,

>

>Me being a Brit and the website co-ed, I should reply to you lot once in a

>while :-)

>

>Stumpy

>------

>

>This refers to the size of Jamie's manhood, and the lack of it's size when

>he was going through puberty. (I know this cos I got the same taunts

>through school, as well as Fag, queer, poof etc).

>

>Thick Git

>-------

>

>This refers to intelligence. Thick as in stoopid and git as in a brit slang

>term. Basically, sort of stoopid idiot kinda thing.

>

>Hope that you all had a good easter and that you are well and happy.

>

>Those that have not replied to the email I sent out regarding BT

>merchandise, I need your feedback! those that have replied, I thank you :-)

>

>Just an Idea, I know that Jay is on IRC (Hiya Jay :-) ) what about a

>meeting of the list members sometime over a weekend or so, getting on

>irc.stealth.net server and joining in a conversation is realtime meeting

>everyone??

>

>

>Take care and chat to you all again soon

>Andi

>

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>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:21:39 -0500 (EST)

>From: CARMEN

>Subject: Re: IRC Meeting!

>

>

>On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Jeff  wrote:

>

>> An IRC meeting would be great. I've tried getting on Davie and Andi's IRC

>> servers, to no avail. But stealth.net is accessible in the U.S. At least

>> I could. Name a time, Andi.

>>

>>

>Could we make it a Sunday? (Please, Please, Please!) I have a school

>account, and they only allow IRC from midnight to 8 am, and all day

>Sunday...I'd rather not have to be up at 4 in the morning:-)

>Tory

>

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>From: "Andi "

>Subject: Re: British slang

>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:32:29 +0100

>

>Justifying my comments after seeing the film many times and peoples

>reactions to this scene in particular.

>

>Rupert wrote :-

>

>> Firstly, "Stumpy" simply means a short person. There was a short boy at

>> my high school whose nickname was Stumpy.

>

>The reason I made the comment earlier as to his "other" size is that in the

>scene, Sandra looks down at Jamie's waist and says "I told told you you'd

>grow".

>

>Both trains of thought as to why this comment was made justify each other,

>and we will never know, unless Jonathon tells me otherwsie.

>

>Have fun and keep guessing :-)

>

>Andi

>x

 

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>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:09:53 -0500 (EST)

>Subject: Re: Thick Git and Stumpy :-) (sounds Like a cartoon!)

>

>Clem -

>

>I can get onto Stealthnet and channels such as #gaymidlands by logging onto

>IRC.STEALTH.NET using MIRC (www.mirc.co.uk).

>

>Good luck, and let us know if it works for you!

>

>:o) jay

>

>

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>Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:54:28 +1000

>From: Trent

>Subject: Some observations and questions @ BT

>

>Hello there everyone!

>

>>-What's up with the strange expression on Sandra's face after she kisses

>>goodnight her friend?

>

>I know most people think that Sandra might be having some sort of

>strange thought about her friend Louise - it's what I thought

>initially - a long lingering glance like that! :)

>

>On further reflection, I would assume she did that look because of

>that Louise had been saying previously about being rich and

>successful, and what she says to Sandra. Haven't you ever sort of

>given someone a lingering look after someone says something that

>really makes sense to you? That is what I think it is.

>

>Trent

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>Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:12:51 -0600

>From: JOE

>Subject: Re: IRC Meeting!

 

>Jeff wrote:

>>

>> An IRC meeting would be great. I've tried getting on Davie and Andi's IRC

>> servers, to no avail. But stealth.net is accessible in the U.S. At least

>> I could. Name a time, Andi.

>

> Just make sure you include some time conversions for us all. I'm in

>West Tennessee, which is in the Central Time Zone. I think that puts us

>(until this Sunday) six hours behind London. This Sunday morning at 2

>a.m. we switch to daylight savings time and move clocks ahead an hour,

>so it'd be a five hour difference (I think.) :)

> I have both Global Chat and mIRC and usually can access stealth.net

>

>Gary

>

>--

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>Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:17:36 -0600

>From: JOE

>Subject: Re: IRC Meeting! -Reply

>

>Jay  wrote:

>

>> Here's how I get onto IRC :

>>

>> 1. I'm using MIRC, which you can get from www.mirc.co.uk. It works

>> great!

>> 2. I log onto Stealthnet at: IRC.STEALTH.NET This actually (usually)

>> signs me onto a server in New York, however, I can then see the

>> channels that Andi and Davie are on a lot, which are:

>> 3. #gaymidlands, #uk-poofs, (others, andi?)

>> 4. We, of course, can set up our own BT channel!

>> 5. Time? it seems that 1pm PST is good because its about 9pm in the

>> UK, not too late for them...

>>

>> I'm in San Francisco, and using T1/Sprint lines. I don't know if this will

>> work with your service... Let me know....

>

> That gives me a great idea. My computer at home uses a 28.8 modem, but

>they just hooked my office computer (which I own) up to the new school

>server (since I do the web site I even got the ethernet card at no

>charge). I just might install mIRC here at work and try it out.

> Looking forward to it, y'all.

>

>Gary

>

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>Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:57:31 +0200

>From: Meinolf

>Reply-To: Meinolf

>Subject: Re: Help

>

>Hallo Sandra and you all,

>

>> OK, when Sandra asks Jamie if he´s still being called 'Stumpy' I assumed

>> that it had something to do with his height. But what does exactly mean?

>> Short,

>> dwarf or something like that?

>

>If I remember the scene in the film correctly, by saying this Sandra is

>not looking on Jamie in general but directly to a special part of his

>boddy.

>

>It is the part where they have the contests in the shower room after

>sports.

>And a "stumpy" is one who's built not so well as the others.

>

>:-) I think this is the right interpretation for this.

>

>

>Have a good time!

>

>Meinolf

>

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>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:49:30 +0100

>From: Rupert

>Subject: Stumpy

>

>Hi again!

>

>Here's the latest installment in the Stumpy saga!

>

>Following all the comments about what Sandra means by the word, I've

>studied the screenplay carefully, and I think that in the context of the

>scene she's referring to Jamie's "willy". So I concede that I was

>probably wrong earlier.

>

>Bye!

>

>Rupert

>

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>From: Ralf

>Subject: AW: British slang

>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:44:02 -0800

>

>Another interesting aspect about the "Stumpy" thing: In the German

>version of the movie "Stumpy" is translated to "Stummelchen" which might

>possibly refer to one's height but actually means (in this context)

>short body part. Quod erat demonstrandum.

>

>We don't know what Jonathan thought, but at least the translators were

>not thinking of height...

>

>Keep on guessing :-)

>Ralf

>

>>

>> Justifying my comments after seeing the film many times and peoples

>> reactions to this scene in particular.

>>

>> Rupert

>>

>> > Firstly, "Stumpy" simply means a short person. There was a short boy

>> at

>> > my high school whose nickname was Stumpy.

>>

>> The reason I made the comment earlier as to his "other" size is that

>> in the

>> scene, Sandra looks down at Jamie's waist and says "I told told you

>> you'd

>> grow".

>>

>> Both trains of thought as to why this comment was made justify each

>> other,

>> and we will never know, unless Jonathon tells me otherwsie.

>>

>> Have fun and keep guessing :-)

>>

>> Andi

>> x

>

>

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>Reply-To: <dazee

>From: "David "

>Subject: Re: Some observations and questions @ BT

>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:26:01 +1000

>

>: From: Trent

>:

>: >-What's up with the strange expression on Sandra's face after she kisses

>: >goodnight her friend?

>:

>: I know most people think that Sandra might be having some sort of

>: strange thought about her friend Louise - it's what I thought

>: initially - a long lingering glance like that! :)

>:

>: On further reflection, I would assume she did that look because of

>: that Louise had been saying previously about being rich and

>: successful, and what she says to Sandra. Haven't you ever sort of

>: given someone a lingering look after someone says something that

>: really makes sense to you? That is what I think it is.

>:

>: Trent

>: Sydney, Australia.

>

>G'day Trent

>

>Another Aussie on the list!

>

>love

>

>DAVID

>Brisbane

>

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>From: "David "

>Subject: Re: Stumpy

>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:51:45 +1000

 

>Ruper wrote:

>> Here's the latest installment in the Stumpy saga!

>> Following all the comments about what Sandra means by the word, I've

>> studied the screenplay carefully, and I think that in the context of the

>> scene she's referring to Jamie's "willy". So I concede that I was

>> probably wrong earlier.

>>

>> Bye!

>

>Thanks for doing the research Rupert! I'll just have to see the movie again

>to confirm your suspicions!

>

>C U later

>

>LOVE

>

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>Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:18:21

>From: jmcs

>Subject: I got it.

>

>Hi everybody!

>

>WOW! I never thought a simple question would bring so much controversy.

Anyway, now I know what 'Stumpy' means. Thank you all. I thought I had the

best/newest English dictionary of all (specially because of the money I

spent for it), but I started wondering when I couldn´t find many of BT´s

slang terms. I thought I was going nuts!! The point is that Jamie was stumpy

but he´s grown now. It´s crystal clear!!

>Besides, these discussions brighten up the list!!

>

>One more thing. When I read JW´s beautiful post I was nodding all the time

but there´s only one small thing I would like to add.

>I agree with him when he said that Ste leaves himself an out, room for

denial because he isn´t sure yet of his feelings for Jamie. He´s confused,

he needs but he doesn´t know what. After his conversation with Jamie by the

pond he still looks confused but then there´s that absolutely delightful

moment (like many others, small but VEEERY significant) at the party when

Claire looks at him invitingly and Ste´s first, instinctive reaction is look

at Jamie. He may very well deny that anything happened but that he´s

commited to Jamie or, at least, that he cares for his feelings is clear to

me. What the hell, he loves him!! Full stop!!

>

>Aside this little outburst on my part, that´s all I wanted to say.

>

>See ya.

>

>

>Sandra.

>

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>Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 11:03:14 -0600

>From: JOE

>Subject: Re: IRC Meeting!

>

>Mike  wrote:

>>

>> I'd like to try my hand at an IRC thing, too. Novice user, though; done it

>> a few times. The biggest thing is coordinating a time... My preference is

>> for Sunday, too. Anyone have suggestions for how to set this up for such

>> diverse time zones?

>>

>> Mike

>>

>Might have to have multiple times.

>BTW, I launched mIRC last night and had no trouble connecting to

>irc.stealth.net, so I know I can hook up.

>

>Gary

>

>--

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>From: "Jeff "

>Subject: Re: IRC Meeting!

>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:17:37 -0600

>

>I have explored Stealth.net (or what ever IRC network it accesses to) since

>Andi first brought up the idea of a BT chat. It's massive. Get this: As

>is the case with many IRC chatrooms, several of the British chatrooms have

>"bots" or these automatic robotlike things that control the rooms, register

>people entering, provide help, etc. Well, guess what? They have names: A

>couple are "Jamie" and "Ste." Thought that was cute. Is BT pervasive, or

>what?

>

>Sunday is sounding like the best time.

>

>

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>Subject: Re: IRC

>Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 09:54:01 -0000

>From: Clem

>

>Hey BRuce,

>Yeah, you can get an IRC client for the MAC OS. Either Homer 0.9x or

>IRCle 2.5.

>They are both available via a myriad of sites. Try a search via YAHOO or

>just dl a copy from shareware.com. Can't use mIRC though, the client

>"everyone" is always referring to--there is no versions ported to the MAC

>OS as I know.

>You don't have to get a vid cam. It's pretty much all text-based. I would

>really recommend reading over any FAQ's you can get a hold of. It will

>really help you by giving a sense of the size of the chat server network,

>how it works, and how the user can get the most out of it.

>

>I'm looking fwd to meeting y'all in "a channel of our own". I tried out

>irc.stealth.net and was able to successfully log in and stay connected.

>One mistake I did was try to get a list of the available channels--a

>never-ending stream of sparsely populated pie slices. I tried both the

>channels I believe Andi mentioned #gaymidlands and #uk-poofs but there

>was no one there who responded and so I signed off pretty quick. I have a

>low tolerance of chat rooms in which people just say nothing.

>

>I don't know if I'll be able to connect though this Sunday as I've got to

>go work on my friends video film he's making--I get to play Rocky Horror.

> I need some pec implants, a tan, and platinum blond hair, oh, and I have

>to suck in my Guinness belly but hey, if the director wants me to run

>around in gold lame shorts, who am I to argue? Anyways, I'll be doing

>that this weekend so I won't be able to meet you all but next time....

>

>bring in the noise, bring in the funk

>

>ciao,

>clem

>

>

>

>Bruce 4/4/97 1:42 AM

>

>>

>>

>> Okay, shameful as it is, I'm going to admit here and now that I've

>>never used IRC.

>>Yes, it's true! I guess I must be living in the stone age or something.

>>Anyway, are any of the IRC programs mentioned thus far available for the

>>Macintosh? Because that's what I've got. And, don't I need video to do

>>IRC? Or is that optional?

>>

>>

>>ignorantly yours,

>>

>>Bruce

>>

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>Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 09:44:08 -0700

>From: Jay

>Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing Italia -Reply

>

>A question: Is the German release dubbed into German or sub-titled? The

>Italian release is dubbed, apparently (Italians don't like sub-titles, it

>seems). I myself HATE dubbed movies, I prefer subtitles...

>

>:o) jay

>

>

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>From: "Andi "

>Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing Italia

>Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:16:55 +0100

>

>With ref to Jay's Italia stuff about BT,

>

>we are getting an article published in an Italian magazine called

>"Informagay". A write up publishing the web site URL and gumph about the

>film.

>

>Hopefully, the films content will become clear to all :-)

>

>I know from my 2 Italian Contacts that Beautiful Thing Mania is sweeping

>the country, so I guess we can look forward to seeing more people joining

>the list and the counter on the web page ticking up a few more hundred :-)

>

>Laters all

>

>Andi

>xx

>

>

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>Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 23:09:10 +0200

>From: Meinolf

>Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing Italia -Reply

>References: <s344ccef.029@dc20.ucsf.edu>

>

>Jay wrote:

>>

>> A question: Is the German release dubbed into German or sub-titled? The

>> Italian release is dubbed, apparently (Italians don't like sub-titles, it

>> seems). I myself HATE dubbed movies, I prefer subtitles...

>>

>> :o) jay

>

>Normaly videos in germany are dubbed.

>Thats why I prefe to buy my videos over my british relatives.

>

>Most people in germany don't like subtitles.

>

>Meinolf

>

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>From: Ralf

>Subject: German Beautiful Thing video available in June

>Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 08:04:15 -0800

>

>Hi,

>

>I just heard that the video will be released in June for Germany. You

>can make a reservation for your copy now at a store which also sells the

>English video. More information at

>http://eurogay.net/magazin/buch/info.html

>

>Ralf

>

>

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>Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 15:23:19 -0800

>Subject: Re: Beautiful Thing Italia -Reply

>From: OWall

>

>Jay wrote:

>>

>> A question: Is the German release dubbed into German or sub-titled? The

>> Italian release is dubbed, apparently (Italians don't like sub-titles, it

>> seems). I myself HATE dubbed movies, I prefer subtitles...

>>

>> :o) jay

>

>Hi Jay,

>

>As far as theater prints are concerned, these were dubbed, and so will

>be the video, I assume, when it will be released. However, the bigger

>German cities such as Berlin, where I live, tend to have cinemas

>specializing in original versions shown either with or without

>subtitles. In Berlin, the subtitled original version of "Beautiful

>Thing" was running for nearly the same period as the dubbed version.

>

>Ralf rightly said that BT is no longer showing in German theaters. But

>here's good news for all those who live in or near Berlin: There will be

>a special screening of the subtitled original version at 8p.m. Thursday,

>April 10, at the Urania-Filmbuehne. It's quite a big theater, and I'm

>looking forward to seeing the film again on a large screen.

>

>Olaf.

>

>

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>Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 17:59:17 -0800

>From: Bruce

>Subject: Re: German availability of Beautiful Thing?

>

>

> Thank you Ralf and Olaf for the information about BT in Germany. I will

relay all this information to the person who was asking about it.

>

>cheers,

>

>Bruce

>