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>From: "David "
>Subject: Re: Petition in support of American Airlines GLB policies
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:45:32 +1000
>
>Another option you might like to consider is to send a personal message to
>American Airlines at Webmaster@amrcorp.com praising their policies.
>
>Ciao
>
>DAVID
>----------
>: From: Mike
>: Subject: Petition in support of American Airlines GLB policies
>: Date: Thursday, 24 April, 1997 07:24
>:
>: Dear Friends,
>:
>: Please sign and forward the following petition
>:
>: BACKGROUND:
>:
>: American Airlines is a major sponsor to and supporter of groups like
>: GLADD,
>: the Human Rights Campaign, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, the AIDS
>: Action
>: Foundation, DIFFA, AmFAR, and scores of community-based groups
>: representing
>: gays and lesbians. It is also the first airline to adopt a written
>: non-discrimination policy covering sexual orientation in its
>: employment
>: practices.
>:
>: In an unusual move, a joint letter was released to the media on Friday,
>: March 14th
>: from the Family Research Council, Concerned Women of America, American
>: Family
>: Association and Coral Ridge Ministries. Radical right leader Beverly
>: LaHaye
>: also went on Christian "talk radio" on Friday to blast American
>: Airlines
>: because "American's sponsorship of homosexual 'pride' events
>: constitutes an
>: open endorsement of promiscuous homosexuality." She and the other
>: groups
>: have written Bob Crandall at American to complain that the airline has
>: "gone
>: beyond mere tolerance" of gays and lesbians. The full article appeares
>: in
>: Friday's Fort Worth Star-Telegram, and possibly picked up by other
>: newspapers
>: around the country.
>:
>: It has come to the attention of the gay and Lesbian community that
>: American
>: Airline's switchboard and e-mails are being bombarded now by homophobic
>: and
>: hateful callers who have been urged by LaHaye and others to DEMAND the
>: company terminate its gay-friendly policies.
>:
>: ***if you are the 25th, 50th, 75th, 100th, etc. person to sign this
>: petition
>: then please forward this to American Airlines at: Webmaster@amrcorp.com
>: ***
>:
>: To American Airlines: We, the undersigned, support your gay/lesbian
>: rights
>: policies and commend you for your efforts in ending discrimination.
>: Thank you
>: for your dedication to such issues and please continue to remain active
>: in
>: the struggle to end discrimination.
>:

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>From: "Shaun "
>Subject: Anyone see
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:41:51 -0400
>
>Anyone see the article in XY (Apr. May issue) about Jonathan Harvey. It was
>very cool.
>
>Just thought I would let everyone know about it.
>
>Later all
>
>Shaun
>
>For the wierdest t-shirts....anywhere go to:
>http://www.tofreaks.com
>
>

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>Date: 24 Apr 1997 12:29:14 -0400
>From: "John "
>Subject: FWD>>American airlines
>
>[Please sign and pass on:]
>
>BACKGROUND:
> American Airlines is a major sponsor to and supporter of groups like
>GLADD, the Human Rights Campaign, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund,
>the AIDS Action Foundation, DIFFA, AmFAR, and scores of community-based
>groups representing gays and lesbians. It is also the first airline to
>adopt a written non-discrimination policy covering sexual orientation in
>its employment practices.
> In an unusual joint letter was released to the media on Friday, March
>14th from the Family Research Council, Concerned Women of America,
>American Family Association and Coral Ridge Ministries. Radical right
>leader Beverly LaHaye also went on Christian "talk radio" on Friday to
>blast American Airlines because "American's sponsorship of homosexual
>'pride' events constitutes an open endorsement of promiscuous
>homosexuality." She and the other groups have written Bob Crandall at
>American to complain that the airline has "gone beyond mere tolerance"
>of
>gays and lesbians. The full article appeares in Friday's Fort Worth
>Star-Telegram, and possibly picked up by other newspapers around the
>country.
> It has come to the attention of the gay and Lesbian community that
>American Airline's switchboard and e-mails are being bombarded now by
>homophobic and hateful callers who have been urged by LaHaye and others
>to DEMAND the company terminate its gay-friendly policies.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>***if you are the 25th, 50th, 75th, 100th, etc. person to sign this
>petition then please forward this to American Airlines at:
>Webmaster@amrcorp.com ***
>
>To American Airlines: We, the undersigned, support your gay/lesbian
>rights polices and commend you for your efforts in ending discrimination.
>Thank you for your dedication to such issues and please continue to remain
>active in the struggle to end discrimination.
>
>

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>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:23:34 +0100
>From: Gavin
>Subject: Re: Anyone see
>
>At 11:41 4/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Anyone see the article in XY (Apr. May issue) about Jonathan Harvey. It was
>>very cool.
>
>Is this magazine available in the UK? I can't find it at W H Smith's. And
>they couldn't find it in their index either.
>
>Gav.
>

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>From: "Jeff "
>Subject: Fw: "Beautiful Thing" correction
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:41:25 -0500
>
>I, too, emailed reel.com about the stars of "BT." Got a response right
>away. Did you, Davie? It hasn't been fixed yet, but this startup website
>has a lot more to worry about right now.
>
>----------
>> From: Rod
>> To: Jeff
>> Subject: Re: "Beautiful Thing" correction
>> Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 11:32 a.m.
>>
>> At 10:27 AM 4/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >The real stars of "Beautiful Thing" are Glen Berry and Scott Neal. I
>hope
>> >you will correct that portion of the listing. Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> >Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> Thanks for the correction.
>
>

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>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:31:26 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Jody
>Subject: Internet Movie Database: BT #1 Film of 1996
>
>
>Just came across the top ten films for 1997 according to the Internet Movie
>Database. Guess which film placed at Number 1?
>
>If you havent figured it out, go to http://www.imdb.com and look up
>"Beautiful Thing."
>
>Then thrash yourself repeatedly with a wet noodle.
>
>Jody
>
>

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>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:58:19 -0700
>From: Jim
>Subject: Re: Internet Movie Database: BT #1 Film of 1996
>
>> So, at the bottom of the BT listing on IMDb, there are links to two other
>> movies, "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane" and "Sound of Music." Does this
>> answer our continuing question over what film Jamie's watching when he gets
>> home? I'm not a real movie buff, I wouldn't know what "Baby Jane" would
>> look like! If that isn't why it's there, then why is it? Seems pretty
>> unrelated to BT!
>
>IMdB often lists movies whose *names* are the only thing that appears in
>the film--that's what happened here; the drag performer names the movie.
>
>Jim
>
>

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>From: "Jeff "
>Subject: Re: Internet Movie Database: BT #1 Film of 1996
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 23:08:54 -0500
>
>So, at the bottom of the BT listing on IMDb, there are links to two other
>movies, "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane" and "Sound of Music." Does this
>answer our continuing question over what film Jamie's watching when he gets
>home? I'm not a real movie buff, I wouldn't know what "Baby Jane" would
>look like! If that isn't why it's there, then why is it? Seems pretty
>unrelated to BT!
>
>Jeff
>
>----------
>> From: Jody
>> Subject: Internet Movie Database: BT #1 Film of 1996
>> Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 11:31 p.m.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just came across the top ten films for 1997 according to the Internet
>Movie
>> Database. Guess which film placed at Number 1?
>>
>> If you havent figured it out, go to http://www.imdb.com and look up
>> "Beautiful Thing."
>>
>> Then thrash yourself repeatedly with a wet noodle.
>>
>> Jody
>
>

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>Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:24:39 -0400 (EDT)
>From: JW
>Subject: Re: Anyone see
>
>At 01:23 PM 4/24/97 +0100, you wrote:
>
>I don't want to be picky, but your signature with the lines from "You've
>Gotta Make Your Own Kind of Music" should read:
>
>You're gonna be nowhere
>The loneliest kind of lonely
>It may be rough goin'
>Just to do your thing's
>The hardest thing to do
>
>
>
>
>>At 11:41 4/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Anyone see the article in XY (Apr. May issue) about Jonathan Harvey. It was
>>>very cool.
>>
>>Is this magazine available in the UK? I can't find it at W H Smith's. And
>>they couldn't find it in their index either.
>>
>>Gav.
>>
>>
>>"You're gonna be no where:
>>the loneliest kinda lonely.
>>It may be worth going
>>just to do your thing,
>>the hardest thing to do." - Mama Cass
>>
>>

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>Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:24:46 -0400 (EDT)
>From: JW
>Subject: Re: "Fantasy"
>
> Harry, I agree that typically our initial reaction is that BT is a
>fantasy: that it couldn't happen. I fell into the same mode when I first
>saw BT. Even things that we read by the straight community tend to
>reinforce this.
>
>(Thanks to those who are searching the net for any and all references to BT.)
>
> I went up to the film reviews web site that somebody had posted to this
>bulletin board. When I read Ebert's (of Siskel and Ebert) review initially
>I was hurt because the focus was away from Jamie and Ste. Then I was mad
>because they miss the point. Let me quote liberally from his review:
>
> "But a funny thing happens: the most interesting scenes involve the
>characters around them, who all but steal the movie. The boys' lives
>contain few surprises (it is clear from the start what the one big
>surprise is going to be), but from the other characters there is one
>astonishment after another."
>
> "These peripheral characters are the real life of the film."
>
> "Although I have never been a gay London teenager, I had the feeling
>that Jamie and Ste were not understood very deeply by the film, and
>their behavior wasn't convincing."
>
> "To begin with, no London teenager is going to be completely in the
>dark about homosexuality. Not in these times." (This may be a true
>statement)
>
> "It [the film] also contrives a happy ending where Jamie and Ste
>embrace each other in public in a commons area at the project, while
>Mama Cass's voice bounces encouragingly off the walls, and neighbors and
>strangers beam their approval. Also not a likely scenario."
>
> "Beautiful Thing is essentially a fantasy, a coming-out fable with
>about the same depth and insight as a romance novel for teenagers. What
>makes the movie special and worth recommending are those other
characters."
>
> "As for Jamie and Ste, they will grow up and become more complicated,
>better-informed and less one-dimensional, and the day will come when
>they will look at a movie like this, smile, and shake their heads in
>amusement and disbelief."
>
> I think that it is easy to fall into the trap that it is a fantasy,
>it's not real BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THEIR!!! The Hello! scene sitting
>on the bed; the changing of clothes without a word; THE PEPPERMINT FOOT
>LOTION scene; the scene AT THE POND; the celebration in Abbey Wood. We
>don't see it as fantasy because WE HAVE BEEN THERE!!!!!
>
> Granted, all of the other people in the story are interesting and add
>to the story, but THE STORY IS JAMIE AND STE FALLING IN LOVE. The agony,
>the ecstasy and the BEAUTY!! If you're on the outside looking in, it may
>seem a fantasy. But for those who have been there, at your fountain in
>Detroit or on my beach vacation in North Carolina, the BEAUTY is in the
>innocence and the love.
>
> Yes, we (the gay community) may be cynical and argue that it is fantasy
>because it probably hasn't played out for us the way it has for Jamie and
>Ste. As I believe: "BT is the way I wish it had been when......" But to
>quote Scrooge (great source, huh?) are these the things that "must be" or
>the things that "might be?" Are we destined to always be frustrated and end
>up bitter? Yes "we can fall in love and that love can be romantic and silly
>and beautiful and real," but the reality is that there are no conventions to
>protect us in this crazy life, at least not today. Maybe someday. That's
>why we hold BT so dear, because it is so special to those who have travelled
>this road. So special because "that could have been us."
>
>

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>Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:51:52 +0100
>From: Gavin
>Subject: Re: Anyone see
>
>At 16:24 4/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>At 01:23 PM 4/24/97 +0100, you wrote:
>>I don't want to be picky, but your signature with the lines from "You've
>>Gotta Make Your Own Kind of Music" should read:
>>
>>You're gonna be nowhere
>>The loneliest kind of lonely
>>It may be rough goin'
>>Just to do your thing's
>>The hardest thing to do
>
>Noted!
>
>Gav.
>

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>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:15:31
>From: jmcs
>Subject: I´m not unsubscribing!!
>
>Hello!!
>
>It´s been ages since my last post!! I´ve had many problems with my server.
There´s been many changes, one of them being a new email address for me.
Therefore, I´m unsubscribing from this 'old' address. I´ll subscribe again
from the new one.
>
>In short, I´m NOT unsubscribing!!!
>
>
>See you all there. Take care!!!
>
>
>Sandra.
>
 

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>From: jens
>Subject: Internet Movie Database: BT #1 Film of 1996
>Date: 28 Apr 1997 16:38:30 &0000
>
>Hi Jeff,
>
>* Reply to a message in mailing.list.
>
>
> j> So, at the bottom of the BT listing on IMDb, there are links to two
> j> other movies, "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane" and "Sound of
> j> Music." Does this answer our continuing question over what film
> j> Jamie's watching when he gets home?
>Actually, I don't think so... when Jamie and Ste are spending their time at
the Gloucester, there's a dragging queen saying: "She still thinks she's in
Baby Jane!". I once heard this in a film called "Torch Song Trilogy" ("Das
Kuckucksei" in German), but didn't understand it either. I think that
Jonathan stole this joke out of this.
>"Sound of Music" appears to be a tv-show in Britain which Sandra and Tony
are watching when Jamie and Ste are sleeping together for the first time -
Jamie's rubbing this peppermint foot lotion into Ste's back, and Sandra's
knocking on the door, asking: "Do you want to watch the Sound Of Music?".
IMO "Going on Seventeen" is the show's main theme...
>
>Amicalement,
> Jens
>
>

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>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:40:48 -0700
>From: Jay
>Subject: recent BTLIST events
>
>Hello BTListers:
>
>Here's a little news for ya!
>
>We've been having fabulous chats Sunday afternoons/evenings (or
>Monday morning if youre ANZ).
>
>Sunday before last Davie joined us, and announced that he had met with
>Jonathan and Richard. There will be some upcoming announcements,
>says he...related to web sites, merchandising, and possibly a live chat
>with Jonathan!
>
>If you want to know how to get onto our chats on IRC, send me a private
>email: and i'll walk you through it!
>
>Jay has a new website which includes photos from my trip to
>Thamesmead and the Gloucester! . Right now the
>scanning is shite, it's pretty bad, so don't expect much. I'm getting some
>of my photos from Thamesmead scanned by pros this week, so check
>back next week for the new improved tour!
>
>laters,
>
>jay
>
>

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>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:37:22 -0700
>From: Jay
>
>FYI - here is a list of the IRC servers that have been used recently to get
>to the IRC #BTlist channel by BTlisters. If you can't get on Stealthnet, you
>might try one of these others.
>
> irc.stealth.net
> irc.warwick.ac.uk
> irc.ccon.net
> irc.netcom.net.uk
> ircnet.demon.co.uk
> irc.aimnet.com
>
>I've found that from California aimnet works great (the server's in Menlo
>Park).
>
>Thanks to Jeffo for the list!
>
>:-) jay
>
>

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>Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 08:53:29 -0700
>From: Jim
>Subject: Julie Andrews
>
>> Her first film was actually My
>> Fair Lady, or so I've heard...Sombody decided that Audrey Hepburn couldn't
>> sing properly, so they got Julie Andrews to do the singing.
>
>Julie Andrews was Eliza Doolittle on Broadway, but they looked for a
>bigger star for the film. Audrey Hepburn's singing voice was too low
>for the key in which the score had already been written, so they got
>Marnie Nixon to dub Ms Hepburn's songs...
>
>

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>Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 08:54:17 -0700
>From: Jay
>Subject: Re: Internet Movie Database: BT #1 Film of 1996 -Reply
>
>On 28 Apr 1997 jens wrote:
>> "Sound of Music" appears to be a tv-show in Britain which Sandra and
>Tony are watching when Jamie and Ste are sleeping together for the first
>time - Jamie's rubbing this peppermint foot lotion into Ste's back, and
>Sandra's knocking on the door, asking: "Do you want to watch the Sound
>Of Music?". IMO "Going on Seventeen" is the show's main theme...
>
>and tory replied:>>> CARMEN 05/01/97 07:18am >>>
>
>Actually, it's a Disney musical...It's the Story of the Von Trapp Family, of
>Austria, near the beginning of, or just before WWII. It was one of the first
>two films that Julie Andrews was seen in...The other was Mary
>Poppins, and I can't remember which one actually came out first..I think I
>heard that they were nearly back to back. Her first film was actually My
>Fair Lady, or so I've heard...Sombody decided that Audrey Hepburn
>couldn't sing properly, so they got Julie Andrews to do the singing.
>
>Anyways, Sixteen, Going on Seventeen is one of the songs, where the
>eldest daughter, Liesl, has snuck out to see the telegram messenger boy,
>who she has a crush on...It's a neat scene, and a wonderful film.
>
>tory
>
>My contribution:
>
>
>...and before THAT it was a Rogers and Hammerstein musical, one of the
>most successful musicals ever written for Broadway. When I was a boy
>(now I'm giving away my age, i'm afraid) the FIRST record I ever bought
>was the the Sound of Music, starring Mary Martin (who also played Peter
>Pan in a wonderful made-for-tv production). Mary Martin was, I suppose,
>a classic 50s lesbian figure - butch haircut, low voice, played boy's role.
>"sixteen going on seventeen" was one of my favorite songs, I knew it by
>heart by the time I was 8 or 9. I realised when I saw Beautiful Thing the
>first time that OF COURSE I wasn't the only little gay boy who identified
>with the GIRL and not the boy. Jonathan's choice of songs from other
>eras that refer to emotions young gays will identifiy with is one of the
>main reasons BT is so magical and works so well.
>
>The line "she still thinks she's in Baby Jane" refers to still being in a
>wheelchair...
>
>:-) jay
>
>

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>Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:18:01 -0400 (EDT)
>From: CARMEN
>Subject: Re: Internet Movie Database: BT #1 Film of 1996
>
>
>On 28 Apr 1997 jens wrote:
>> "Sound of Music" appears to be a tv-show in Britain which Sandra and
>Tony are watching when Jamie and Ste are sleeping together for the first
>time - Jamie's rubbing this peppermint foot lotion into Ste's back, and
>Sandra's knocking on the door, asking: "Do you want to watch the Sound Of
>Music?". IMO "Going on Seventeen" is the show's main theme...
>
>Actually, it's a Disney musical...It's the Story of the Von Trapp Family,
>of Austria, near the beginning of, or just before WWII. It was one of the
>first two films that Julie Andrews was seen in...The other was Mary
>Poppins, and I can't remember which one actually came out first..I think I
>heard that they were nearly back to back. Her first film was actually My
>Fair Lady, or so I've heard...Sombody decided that Audrey Hepburn couldn't
>sing properly, so they got Julie Andrews to do the singing.
>
>Anyways, Sixteen, Going on Seventeen is one of the songs, where the eldest
>daughter, Liesl, has snuck out to see the telegram messenger boy, who she
>has a crush on...It's a neat scene, and a wonderful film.
>
>tory
>
>

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>Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:53:03 -0400
>From: "Harry "
>Subject: BT XY & Attitude Magazines
>
>For the questions about XY Magazine, especially the April 1997 interview
>with Jonathan Harvey, the XY Magazine web site:
>http://www.xymag.com Subscriptions are at: subxy@aol.com
>
>After reading several issues of Attitude, The Magazine for Real Men, I had
>noticed that one of the back issues that could be ordered had an article
>titled 'Beautiful Thing'. On a hunch I ordered it before my vacation in
>England. The issue just came and it has an extensive bang-on interview
>with our boys Glen and Scott. For instance, a couple of quotes:
>
>"Scott is the more talkative, leaping in to answer, his dark eyes sharp.
>He's the one who tells about the filming, who kickstarts the anecdotes,
>while Glen keeps up a chortling accompaniment. They both know how each
>story ends, they laugh together, loud and happy." ......
>
>"But I assumed that Glen-as-Jamie was really like that. In the flesh,
>though, he's more solid than soft, awkwardness replaced by a roll and
>strut."
>
>The article is in issue 26, June 1996 of 'Attitude, The Magazine for Real
>Men' e-mail: attitude@msn.com UK tele: 0171 308 5090 back issues are 4
>to 6.50, including postage, depending upon world wide return address.
>They may be ordered via the following address: Attitude Subscriptions, 43
>Millharbour, London E14 9TR. I hope that back issues are still available.
>This is the only article that I've run across that either isn't a review of
>the film or an interview with Johathan Harvey (also few and far between).
>
>As a suggestion for the web site, maybe a list of BT articles, such as the
>XY Magazine and Attitude ones, or better yet, on-line copies of the
>articles (permission granted assumed). Any other articles, especially ones
>about Glen and/or Scott, that you all might know about?
>
>Also: I think it is Jonathan Harvey who, in the Gloucester scene, asks the
>boys to step out back.
> - Harry
>
>

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>Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:27:02 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Taiyed
>Subject: No Subject
>
>Hello everyone. I just made a small site dedicated to Jamie and Ste. Its
>still under construction, but most of it is up. Please visit it
> and sign my guestbook.
>Aloha
>
>

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>Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 08:28:14 -0800
>From: Mike
>Subject: Re: Jamie & Ste site (was: No Subject)
>
>I'll second that. Very profesional look. Check it out, folks!
>
>M>
>
>
>>Looks good! Can't wait to see what evolves from this great beginning.
>>=============================================
>>Todd
>>----------
>>| From: Taiyed
>>| Subject: No Subject
>>| Date: Saturday, May 03, 1997 12:27 AM
>>|
>>| Hello everyone. I just made a small site dedicated to Jamie and Ste. Its
>>| still under construction, but most of it is up. Please visit it , and sign my guestbook.
>>| Aloha
>
>
>
 

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>From: "Todd "
>Subject: Re: No Subject
>Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 09:24:32 -0400
>
>Looks good! Can't wait to see what evolves from this great beginning.
>=============================================
>Todd
>
>----------
>| From: Taiyed
>| Subject: No Subject
>| Date: Saturday, May 03, 1997 12:27 AM
>|
>| Hello everyone. I just made a small site dedicated to Jamie and Ste. Its
>| still under construction, but most of it is up. Please visit it  and sign my guestbook.
>| Aloha
>
>

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>Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 20:55:17 -0800
>From: Bruce
>Subject: It's official, even more!
>
>
> Hey kids, what's up? Well, I guess it's even MORE official than I
>thought it was before: tonight I was in my local Tower Video store and
>there on the new release board was Beautiful Thing, listed as being
>released on 5/20. Yahoo!!!!
>
>cheers,
>
>Bruce
>
>
 

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>From: "Todd "
>Subject: Re: It's official, even more!
>Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 14:14:18 -0400
>
>To Kewl! I was hoping it would come out in the States soon. Thanks for
>the info.
>=============================================
>Todd
>----------
>| From: Bruce
>| Subject: It's official, even more!
>| Date: Sunday, May 04, 1997 12:55 AM
>|
>|
>| Hey kids, what's up? Well, I guess it's even MORE official than I
>| thought it was before: tonight I was in my local Tower Video store and
>| there on the new release board was Beautiful Thing, listed as being
>| released on 5/20. Yahoo!!!!
>|
>| cheers,
>|
>| Bruce
>|
>
>

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