Topic: The Professor speaks on homosexuality
Topic Posted by: The Professor
Email: None
Date Posted: Sat May 3 14:31:22 1997
Additional Comments: Thanks to the wonderful response I recieved regarding my answer to the "Ellen" post, I've decided to expand on my thoughts regarding homosexuality. Let me start by saying that I do not "fear" homosexuals, thus I am not a "homophobe". What I am is a person who understands that homosexuality is an illness, probably, but not necessarily, biological in origin. I say this because common sense and observation make it clear that nature designed sex to take place between males and females in order that they may reproduce. Scientifically, it is well understood today that sexual reproduction is nature's way of producing offspring who are more genetically diverse and thus have a better chance of survival. This is not to suggest that there is not a deep emotional aspect to human sexuality, only to say that, in terms of sexual activity, the sexes were designed to be complementry. Indeed, one only has to understand basic biology to see the female vagina, not the male anus, is where the male reproductive organ was designed to go! Equally clear to anyone who considers the matter is that, in order to compel males and females to come together to reproduce, nature had to give them a strong sexual attraction to each other. It strikes me that nothing I have said so far should come as any shock to anyone, nor is it "dangerous" as one ignoramous suggested. It is merely what every sane individual takes for granted. In short then, since sexual attraction, and the resulting behavior, were obviously designed to bring males and females together for the purpose of reproduction, sexual attraction between two members of the same sex is abnormal; and therefore must result from some defect, either emotional or biological in origin. I lean towards the second causation because of research I have read which demonstrates that children destined to become homosexual usually display this tendency well before the onset of puberty. Further, most homosexuals profess that they were aware of their differing orientation almost from the moment they became self aware. Many people argue at this point that if homosexuals are born that way then it too must also be nature's will; perhaps as some have suggested, to keep the population low. I reject this argument for two reasons: 1) people are born with abnormalities of every discription, such as blindness, every day, this does not make it nature's will, and 2) nature is rarely, if ever, concerned with keeping the population down. On the contrary, because of the likelyhood of disease and other disasters, it is in nature's interest to foster a high birth rate. On the question of morality, if one believes in God, as I unashamedly do, we have to believe that nature's will is really His will. Thus, it is logical to believe that to go against His design is to be amoral. I will not go further on this point because I do not profess to speak for God, nor do I believe it is my place to cast judgement. I will say, however, that I find the total disrespect for religion and traditional religous culture, by those who profess to be paragons of tolerance for diffening cultures, to be the height of hypocracy! Of course these are the same people who forever condemn Christianity for being "racist, sexist, and homophobic" but completely ignore the fact that, even today, in much of the non-Christian world women are treated like chattel and homosexuals are often tortured of killed.
Posted by: Gilligan
Email: idont@think.so
Date posted: Mon May 5 22:18:48 1997
Message:
Hi there, it's the Professor's little buddy,
From a practical perspective, gays might be better off if they pressured the APA to reverse it's 1973 statement and declared that homosexuality is a defect. This would mean
that gays are covered by the ADA to the delight of the ABA.
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Hmmm...Interesting
So what
Posted by: lisak
Email: lisak@psci.net
Date posted: Mon May 5 21:56:05 1997
Message:
I think I once heard of a professor like you. If I remember correctly he taught a logic class. I often saw him in the hallway on my way to my classes. He always looked quite sad and lonely to me. I believe that everyone has the right to self determination. By this I mean , "I do not have to walk in that persons shoes therefore I can not judge". I even believe that you have a right to your opinion, even if I strongly disagree with it. I personally do not fill that being a homosexual is an illness. I believe it is a recessive gene, that is passed on like hair and eye color which affects 10% of the population. I personally think it is more strange that males and females are attracted to each other. Most do not have a lot in common. Therefore, I will concede your point that there must be a chemical attraction so that the race doesn't become extinct. I also believe in God and will not apologize for that either. The God I believe in loves all living things and tries to see the good inside of people. Not what color their skin is or what their sexual orientation is or even who their God is. I live by this philosophy and wish that someday the world could also.
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Blue moon
Posted by: Lacey
Email: N/A
Date posted: Mon May 5 14:36:02 1997
Message:
Hey,...Professor,...since you seem to know everything there is to know about everything,...tell me,...which came first,...the chicken,...or the egg?
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I'll have an egg over-easy, please....
Professor...no more of these topics...please! EOM :)
An Excedrin headache?
No, but it upsets me when people might be getting their feelings hurt because you feel a need to be so callus with your remarks! EOM
Posted by: Pierce the creep
Email: Your Id
Date posted: Mon May 5 12:45:24 1997
Message:
It's SO obvious that The Professor is gay! It's classic self-denial, self-hatred. I've seen it a million times.
Come out of the closet Professor, you'll be much happier!
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Sorry Charlie, but only good tasting tuna gets to be starkist
Oh, you can keep denying it...
Hey, PTC, I know you can do better than that!
WELCOME to the Family!!!! I could just cry - SNIFF! GRRRR! EOM
Professor...is it just that you like to argue??? EOM :(
Posted by: Amanda
Email: nah
Date posted: Mon May 5 10:42:22 1997
Message:
Professor, I do believe you've backed yourself into a corner. I was raised in a very strict Catholic house. My parents are all against homosexuality and all that stuff. I grew up differently. My brother-in-law's best friend is gay. One of my close friends is gay. These people otherwise lead normal liveS, the only difference being that they are emotionally and physically attracted to their own sex. I think you and I must believe in a different God. My God created us all in His own image and likeness. My God created us all to be happy. If people are happy with people of the same sex, more power to them! And I honestly believe from the bottom of my heart that people are born gay. Look at all the problems that come with being a homosexual in society today, the alienation, the feelings of being so incredibly different. Do you think anyone would honestly look at a gay person and say "Hey, I think I want to be gay." It's not a choice they make all of the sudden, then decide they want to be straight again. (Like David Bowie did.) because if they do, they're not truly gay.
Don't worry, be happy....
That's a damn good question.....
God wants us to be happy, but we must make our own happiness!!! EOM
Posted by: Kelly O
Email: na
Date posted: Mon May 5 9:39:22 1997
Message:
Professor - did you post as "Bob" under Cheri B's topic regarding women on this board who've been attracted to other women? I've never read such garbage in my life. Apparently you're covering up a deep, nagging fear of homosexuals (like, you might have had feelings for men that you need to repress by your misguided dogma?), regardless of what you profess. Since you've become the expert on deviant behavior, explain this to me. My father is hetersexual, his fraternal twin is gay. They were raised in the same house, by the same two parents, lovingly and with respect, as Presbyterians. So, why did my uncle grow up gay? Also, I am personally offended by your statement that you're "not casting judgement". OF COURSE you are, but you're hiding it in a long, rambling excuse to make your intolerance known. No one says you have to like or approve (who the hell are YOU to approve ANYONE'S lifestyle, anyway?) And, guess what, Professor? God loves EVERYONE, regardless of their sexual orientation. And Jesus did, too. Let he who is without "sin" (which, by the way, homosexuality is NOT!) cast the first stone, OK? If there is a Judgement Day, I personally believe that God will look at HOW you lived your life, not WHO you slept with. I think he's a bigger "person" than the narrow-minded who wag their tongues at people for living "sinfully". Get real.
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He went thata way....
Professor - you're the expert, is it GENETIC or not? If so, should my uncle be in therapy to CURE him of his homosexuality? EOM Kelly O
Yes, No, Maybe so
How BIG of you to not make decisions for homosexuals...
Posted by: mike
Email: msheehan@eznet.net
Date posted: Sun May 4 22:19:14 1997
Message:
"and God created man in his own image"
Posted by: MOPO
Email: Pleasant Street
Date posted: Sun May 4 19:24:36 1997
Message:
Ok, Alot of people say that gays, and lesbians are "Born this way" How can this be true, when animals, like dogs and cats aren't attracted to the same sex. This ""gay" lifestyle is not natural. Something is not right in the minds of these people! I have a problem with both gay men and lesbians, but gay men and the acts they perform are totally gross!!! EOM
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MOPO - then DON'T have gay sex! Easily solved, right? EOM Kelly O
Gay animal sex
Pigs in Prison :) lol/eom
Posted by: Lorraine
Email: xxxx
Date posted: Sun May 4 5:01:39 1997
Message:
I usually read all the gay topics because I am gay.
What I don't understand is why those who are so vehemntly oppossed to the homosexual lifestyle seem to be so obsessed by it.
What is that saying about protesting too much???
Also, Mitch - excellent, excellent response.
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To Lorraine - you're right on!!
Lorraine - You GO girl! BBH!
Posted by: Sooz
Email: seashore
Date posted: Sun May 4 4:22:57 1997
Message:
I think this BB is a wonderful place to exchange ideas and opinions.
I have read all of the responses below and agree with many. But, I do think that we are feeding in to what the professor wants. It certainly appears that he wants to stir things up, to aggitate and incite others.
Don't lose this BB to provide The Professor the forum, he apparently wants so badly.
I think the best way to deal with this situation is to IGNORE HIM.
Replies:
Thank you for ignoring me.
A chicken tossed into the foxes den
I just don't see what's wrong with NOT arguing! EOM
Posted by: Opinions
Email: ~~~~~~
Date posted: Sun May 4 2:07:59 1997
Message:
I don't think anyone is really being fair concerning the "professors" thoughts. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and just because most of you don't agree, doesn't mean he/she should be treated nastily. He/she was merely stating their opinion, and was jumped on immediately! I've never heard of some of the things the prof. talked about,
but I didn't mind hearing his opinion! How do we know, maybe some of what he says is true!?!
I feel I have an open mind, and am willing to listen to everyones opinion. Even if I don't necessarily agree with it.
Posted by: BabyFuzz
Email: here
Date posted: Sun May 4 1:54:56 1997
Message:
Professor--You make me very sleepy. Think what YOU will, I think you are enormously boring. You do go on.
Replies:
ZZZZZZZZZ
It is not your subject content that has sedative properties, it is the pomposity of your delivery. Click!
I haven't called you anything, but you seem to want to hurt people's feelings,...or you don't care if you do! EOM
Posted by: Sousin
Email: na
Date posted: Sun May 4 1:52:05 1997
Message:
Dear Professor...
If you believe in God and the concept of Intelligent Design (as I believe I read in your posting) AND you believe that it's likely that homosexuality is a biological predisposition (as I also believe I read in your posting), then how do you reconcile the apparent fact that God created homosexuals? It is my understanding from my Christian upbringing that God doesn't create mistakes.
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Good question, now answer me this...
Good return...
Waiting for the verdict
I'm still waiting for a response...
Posted by: boobies
Email: ?
Date posted: Sun May 4 1:07:32 1997
Message:
Homosexuality is not abberant behavior. it is natural. it occurs in other species than humans. THE ONLY THING THAT TURNED IT INTO SOMETHING demented or wrong WAS OUR SICK, TWISTED SOCIETY WHICH FOSTERS HATE FILLED RELIGIONS AND FACISM. (sorry for yelling bob).
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PS-My God is better than your God EOM
Posted by: Lettie Jean
Email: XXX
Date posted: Sun May 4 1:00:10 1997
Message:
Professor, where do you get your information? The American Psychological Association does not regard homosexuality as an illness. Homosexuality was removed from the APA's list of mental disorders in 1973. It does regard it as unethical for a psychologist or psychiatrist to attempt to change a person's sexual orientation.
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The APA
Posted by: carin
Email: outasite
Date posted: Sat May 3 20:46:16 1997
Message:
I can't imagine Christ treating his brother like you do, Professor.
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I can
Either Anne Heche is finally discovering herself after lying to herself all these years, or she's no lesbian and she's experimenting. One does not just out of the blue
Posted by: The Professor
Email: none
Date posted: Sat May 3 20:33:26 1997
Message:
By the way Mitch, speaking of dangerous, are you aware that many of the high ranking leaders in the Nazi movement, including S.S leader Ernst Rohm, were homosexual.
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So? Rohm and his staff were murdered by 100% heterosexuals...go figure...eom.
Posted by: Juliette
Email: ophelia@maxinet.com
Date posted: Sat May 3 20:29:28 1997
Message:
Okay Professor and the reason ANY of us would care what you think is what?
I agree with Mitch completely on this one. His response to your rambling spewage was as eloquent as yours was misguided. Why is it that we only hear from "the Professor" (of what are you a professor? Bigotry?) when something negative is being said? All
we hear from you in homophobia, sexism and general negativity. Is this the only place you have to peddle this crap?
Next time you want to spout something like this put it on a gift certificate - I don't think I'm alone in saying I AM NOT INTERESTED!
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Would you care to dance?
I'd rather put a pointy stick in my eye
Can I stick in for you?
You go Juliette !
Hmmm...interesting...
Actually, the answer is E - none of the above!
Now see here....
Oh, yeah, I forgot....
Okay, ENOUGH!
The last word
Ok . . . . Whatever. . . .GRRR!
Posted by: Mitch
Email: pmitch01@msn.com
Date posted: Sat May 3 18:39:36 1997
Message:
Message Responses
Myth One: Your thoughts are "expanded".
They aren't.
Myth Two: You are not a homophobe.
You are in deep denial about this.
Myth Three: Homosexuality is an illness.
If you're going to indulge an amateur do-it-yourself diagnosis, do it on yourself, not others.
Myth Three: Sex exists for the sole purpose of procreation.
The contrary is self-evident.
Myth Four: Gays only indulge in anal intercourse and straights only in vaginal intercourse.
Nobody's stupid enough to believe that, except Senator Strom Thurmond.
Myth Five: What you say is not dangerous.
When you spout myths, pseudo-science and a cowardly unwillingness to recognise the truth, and there are people out there who are more than willing to ostracise, hurt and kill gays because of views not unlike your own, you become a dangerous part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Myth Six: Homosexuality results "from some defect, either emotional or biological in origin"
Sorry to disillusion you, buddy, but I'm not one of nature's little "defects", and any emotional problems I may have experienced were the result of treatment by people like you. You've confused the cause with the effect there.
Myth Seven: Your homophobic position represents all Christians.
It doesn't.
Myth Eight: You do not cast judgement.
Again, the hypocracy of that statement is self evident.
Myth Nine: Gays are intollerant.
Your capacity for hypocracy is only exceeded by your self delusion. Can you say "Guilt Transference?" I knew you could.
Myth Ten: We condemn all Christians. See Myth Seven above.
There is one point you made with which I cannot disagree. I will grant you "that sexual reproduction is nature's way of producing offspring". With this statement you exhibit a spectacular grasp of the already obvious. But how this in itself assures "genetically diverse and ... a better chance of survival," escapes everyone but you.
Professor, you need to go back to school and taught a few real life lessons.
Start with the class, How Not To Be A Bigot 101.
Message Responses
Subject: Just Beautiful Mitch!
Response Posted by: Tina H
Email: $$$
Date Posted: Sat May 3 18:57:16 1997
Message:
Even though I hardly understood a word he wrote (I think I should be grateful) I did get the point. Words have never been spoken better than yours!!
Subject: Thank you Mitch !
Response Posted by: molly
Email: winniferd@hotmail.com
Date Posted: Sat May 3 19:06:11 1997
Message:
A well thought out argument that I could follow. All that rambling above - I dont know how you figured it all out !
Tina - I'm glad I'm not the only one confused.
Subject: YOu go Mitch-tell him where to get off- Disneyland next right.....
Response Posted by: ljshw
Email: na
Date Posted: Sat May 3 19:18:22 1997
Message:
x
Subject: Thanks Mitch!!
Response Posted by: Sooz
Email: seashore
Date Posted: Sat May 3 19:22:28 1997
Message:
As I was wading through this rambling, confusing tirade. I was thinking to myself, how does one even begin to respond to all of this. You handled it perfectly. I'm with you 100%!
Subject: What phobia really means
Response Posted by: Neil
Email: nsweaterboy@hotmail.com
Date Posted: Sat May 3 20:11:44 1997
Message:
When someone says they are not homophobic but disagree with
the homosexuality this can be true. A phobia implies a fear.
You seem to have labeled the Prof a homophobe for not having
your opinions. I am aracnaphobic as in I run when I see
a spider, but I do not run when I see a homosexual.
Subject: I respond
Response Posted by: The Professor
Email: none
Date Posted: Sat May 3 20:14:39 1997
Message:
How does sexual reproduction promote genetic diversity? And you call me ignorant!!! (Typical, of course) Sexual reproduction brings genetic diversity by bringing the DNA of unrelated individuals together, thus the offspring are immune to a wider variety of illnesses. Your ignorance of this suggest that it is you my friend who need a biology lesson. By the way, I do not claim that males and females do not engage in all sorts of sexual activity including anal sex. What I am discussing here is the nature and purpose of sexual attraction. Clearly stated, since the purpose of sexual attraction is to bring men and women together to produce children, then sexual attraction outside of this is abnormal because it is not in accord with nature. If you cannot see this it is because you have allowed your guilt at being a homosexual (again I don't condemn you because I don't believe it is your fault) to overshadow your common sense.
Subject: There's no 'disagreeing' with homosexuality any more than there's disagreeing with the sun, the moon or the stars...fear is expressed in anger, something I sense in the Professor's post and your response...ergo, homophobia
Response Posted by: Mitch
Email: pmitch01@msn.com
Date Posted: Sat May 3 20:20:45 1997
Message:
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Subject: Thank you for your response, Professor. Your assertion that sexual reproduction assures genetic diversity doesn't include the concept of inbreeding, does it? Therefore sexual reproduction does not AUTOMATICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY, as your topic suggests, produce genetic diversity, does it? You're not making any sense with your pseudo-science...eom...Mitch
Response Posted by: Mitch
Email: pmitcjh01@msn.com
Date Posted: Sat May 3 20:33:28 1997
Message:
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Subject: Mitch, Been away from the board all day, came home to find this moron waxing on in goblegook, THANKS for translating, and THANKS, always for showing your intelligence and restraint with people like this. You have WON THIS DEBATE HANDS DOWN.!!!! EOM
Response Posted by: carin
Email: outasite
Date Posted: Sat May 3 20:39:45 1997
Message:
X
Subject: Inbreeding?
Response Posted by: The Professor
Email: None
Date Posted: Sat May 3 20:45:20 1997
Message:
Are you really so ignorant as to attempt to argue that sexual reproduction does not promote genetic diversity by citing inbreeding!! It is precisely because it does not produce genetic diversity that it inbreeding is unhealthy and taboo in all cultures. Which, by the way, so is homosexuality
Subject: Mitch! You're my hero!!!
Response Posted by: Juliette
Email: ophelia@maxinet,com
Date Posted: Sat May 3 21:13:26 1997
Message:
It takes a very big person to take on someone like TP without getting down to his level.
Your responses are intelligent and reasoned and I think all of us "regulars" are behind you!
Will you marry me? (j.k!) LOL! ;-D
Subject: Whole lot of nothing
Response Posted by: The Professor
Email: None
Date Posted: Sun May 4 6:27:57 1997
Message:
By the way, In the end, Mitch, you and I both know that none of your numerated "myths" offered an intellectual counter argument to anything I've said. You've merely stated that your point of view was "self-evident" without offering any substatiation, and repeated a few simplistic slogans.
Subject: Right on Mitch!!!!!!!
Response Posted by: Chicken Little
Email: Falling Skye
Date Posted: Sun May 4 11:52:56 1997
Message:
EOM
Subject: Perfection in posting, Mitch -eom
Response Posted by: Maria
Email: SanMateo,CA
Date Posted: Tue May 6 5:06:27 1997
Message:
*
Subject: Mitch - Your claws are sharp tonight honey! GRRR!
Response Posted by: Bear Hunter
Email: The Cave
Date Posted: Tue May 6 10:49:36 1997
Message:
EOM
Posted by: molly
Email: winniferd@hotmail.com
Date posted: Sat May 3 18:37:07 1997
Message:
Could you please break some of your thoughts up into paragraphs ?
Hitting return 3x at the end of the line will give you a blank line in between the paragraphs.
That was just too hard to read above...
Replies:
So why trouble yourself
There's no need to be nasty...
You're right, I'm sorry
Posted by: haroldthedog
Email: pvpound
Date posted: Sat May 3 15:25:55 1997
Message:
You are using somewhat less than accurate scientific conclusions to espouse your "Christian" beliefs that homosexuality is wrong. I'm sure your views on the creation of the universe, birth control, abortion and the death penalty follow the same line of reasoning.
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My response
A rejoinder