Topic: An open to posts to ''Nope'' in reponse to Traci's post under Eric is Gay.

"Ahem . . . . . "

First of all, let me say that I respect everyones opinion even if I don't agree with it. Exceptions to this rule is bigotry because to me, bigotry is ignorance and igornace breeds contempt. Now . . . saying that . . . . I would like to respond to this "Nope" who responded to Traci's post under "Eric is Gay".

I understand that Tracy doesn't want to see homosexuality acted out in love scenes. You said (and I quote "BIG DEAL! Neither would I! I don't want to see boobs and a$$es on the show, so am I sickenng?? WHY should she watch something that makes her uncomfortable? She's not burning crosses or calling gays derogatory names, a LOT of people don't want to see 2 men/2women kissing and groping. Yes its their choice, but its still unnatural. Our bods were made for what they were made for. But we all have a right to choose what to do and what to WATCH!") Response Posted by: nope

Just to let you know "nope" that these same words were said when they started introducing ethinic and interracial couples on TV. I think you are waaaaay behind the times. Who are you to say it's "unatural". Homosexuality is something your born into, not learned. I did'nt wake one morning thinkin' "Gosh . . . I think I'll be gay today . . . what shall I wear?".

Gay people are "normal" and have been around since the beginning of man (we just kept quite cuz of people like yourself who condemn us [many times to death] because you feel "uncomfortable".)

WE are your doctors, your fathers, your sisters, your mail man, your clergy man, your therapist, your soap writers and yes . . . . even the actors themselves. No one is saying you have "like it", but if you don't like asians or black people, you would't post "I would'nt want to see them hold hands or kiss . . . . its unnatural". It's pretty darn offensive and frankly my dear . . . . it hurts.

There is enough war, hatred and bitterness in this world to have bad feelings about two grown individuals "loving" each other. Cuz honey . . . . . . we need MORE love in this world.

Let's love each, not hate . . . . . . please.

GRRRR!

I have been posting on this board for quite a few months now,and I see a pattern here.Everytime we have a topic in which we discuss homosexuality,there is at least one rude poster who delights in twisting everyones words around.Do you all remember that Bill guy?He accused me of being a bigot on the board,while in the meanwhile he was sending me angry,hateful e-mails.Not once in all of that mess did I post(here or e-mail to him)an anti-gay sentiment.I was posting to him exactly opposite opinions.He didn't want to listen,he only wanted to stir up trouble,and he did.BIG TIME.If you read the rabble rousers posts here,they make no sense.He's/she's good,I'll give him/her that.

I remember a time futher back than that....someone had asked why we can't use certain derogatory words/terms on this board and had used"gays"as an example.(I won't try to explain it further)Anyways,I left a response that suggested that the poster had given away their opinion of gay people.Next thing you know,I was accused of calling someone gay,and was called some pretty nasty names.I tried to explain that I would never call anyone gay as a way of insulting them.Never.I tried to explain that my little brother is gay,and I have friends and fellow artists who are.I love them all,it is no big deal.But the insults kept coming,whoever it was flaming me was having a whale of a time.

I have read all of your posts,and the accusations by the anon.poster,while well written,are not based on anything you have posted here.This flamer can write,he/she obviously can't comprehend what is written though.I would like to know if and where our beloved Bear Hunter was insulted here by those of you who agree with him?I have posted with alot of you for months now,and I know you are not being just"political

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The rest of my message:...Correct''(When Oh When will that over-used catch phrase fade away?)You are all a group of intelligent,compassionate,honest,loving people.I feel lucky to be a part of this board.BTW,please excuse all spelling,etc.mistakes,I am blaming it on menopause these days.I hope this makes sense,I'm a little loony now too.......'hugs',Dulcy..:o)

The rest of my message:...Correct''(When Oh When will that over-used catch phrase fade away?)You are all a group of intelligent,compassionate,honest,loving people.I feel lucky to be a part of this board.BTW,please excuse all spelling,etc.mistakes,I am blaming it on menopause these days.I hope this makes sense,I'm a little loony now too.......'hugs',Dulcy..:o)

GRRR!

Mr. U would be proud of you ;-)

Girl . . . you should see this big grin on my face when you post that. LOL! GRRRQ

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Why would you say this post was ''asking for it''?? I thought this was a place where we could discuss any topic as intelligent human beings. We are all entitled to our own opinions. I just think that some folks need to think twice about how they state those opinions. eom - savage

A more narrow-minded, preachy, self-rightous, ignorant group of self serving religious fanatics I've never met. I'll bet not one of of you has a friend who is gay. If you did you'd introduce them by saying "Hi this is my gay friend ____". If I understand your posts correctly, you would wear your friends lifestyle as a badge (Hi my name is___and my friend is gay-aren't I the liberal cool person??") as opposed to understanding that being gay is a natural way of life. And like you said Bear, it is a natural way of life for millions.

I feel sorry for all of you psuedo liberals. Being a bigot takes a whole lot of work....hiding behind scriptures is sad. And scary. I'm sure Jesus is weeping.

I really resent this post. I don't like the way you grouped us all together!! HELLO!!! I really think you should read all of the posts again. This kind of thing you just posted only causes to stir up trouble. Plus, I think it's up to Bear Hunter to deal with the things he wants to--IF he wants to! This kind of thing makes me really pi$$ed. How dare you!!! And next time--please have the b**** to post your name!!! eom Kathleen

Kathleen - you took the words right out of my mouth. If I have something to say and I am afraid to attach my name to it, then I guess it is probably better left unsaid. And again......if you're gonna flame - LEAVE YOUR NAME!!!!! eom - savage

Hey! Don't give me

Why do you keep focusing on my name and not on the issue at hand? As I said below, I am only an occasional poster and in this instance I don't see why my name is of any importance. I have read many of the responses below, and am dismayed at the use of the holy bible to state racist and bigoted views. If I read those posts incorrectly, forgive me. What I don't understand is why a discussion of sexuality- of anyones sexuality- would be an issue. Its a waste of space. People are who they are, and using the bible as a weapon is shameful. Look at that. And if you want to know my name, right now its Standing up for Bear. Thats all you need to know. It doesn't make my response less valid.

Who the he!! cares what you think? Not posting your name invalidates any opinon you may have. (Sandy)

Obviously you do or you wouldn't keep responding.eom

This is joke, right? You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. You are just a flamer, and that is all you are. eom Bobbi (note, how I actually use my name and you don't)

I think you love this Mr or Ms or Miss or Mrs. You just love to plant the seed and watch it grow into a big fight. Thats obvious. What I don't respect is you not having the guts to post your name. That to me is a little like hiding behind a hood. eom Kathleen

Oh Nameless One...You wouldn't by any chance be writing a paper on internet behavior, would you? Your friend Phreak was here a week ago. (Sandy)

Well you lose. Yes I have two great friends that are gay. I am not gay and that has never been an issure with us at all. I like these people, ones a man the other female. EOM B.J.

Excuse me! But aren't you the one stereotyping when you come here and say we are all *psedo-liberals* just because we are here to support our friend, Bear Hunter. Where did you suddenly get this thought that we are just saying this to be *liberally cool*. Why must you jump to unfounded conclusions like that? Do you see us on a daily basis and know our experiences. No, I don't think so. So you have no right to make comments like that about us. Your post here is incredibly offensive and is obviously intended as a *flame* -- eom Sandra

No flame intended. And FYI I do post here occasionally. SO my accusations are not unfounded. Take a good long look at yourselves. What I see here is sad, and your efforts at shifting the blame from ignorance and rudeness among yourselves to the posts of a semi-regular poster using a pseudonym chosen for this particular issue is part of the problem. Focus ladies. Learn. This isn't about me. Its about the issue of ignorance when it comes to homosexuality. Is it ok on this board to have an affair but not to be gay? Is it ok to flame a poster for talking about her looks, but when someone posts about his/her chosen sexuality this is an issue??? Please!?!?!

If we're all such losers, why do you bother posting on this board? I'm glad I've been enlightened about how awful we are and how wonderful you are. You can flame us....you should! You're much more intelligent than we are. (Ellen)

Okay, unnamed poster. Sitting here calmly this morning, I went down the responses under yours and found one that disagreed with Bear Hunter using religion to base their opinion on--and if you'll look again--some of us even disagreed with that religious poster! So what offended me about your post is that you lumped most of us together when about 98% of us agreed and had no problem with Bear's post in the first place!! Even Traci said she learned something and didn't even use religion in her post that I noticed. And Bear graciously spoke to her--no problem. So surely you can see why all the responses under your post were upset ones. Seriously--check it out. That is if you ARE serious and NOT just a flamer. eom Kathleen

Hi NA. I don't think that Bear Hunter uses his homosexuality as a badge. To be honest, most posters here didn't even know he is gay. I knew it months ago and didn't tell anyone because I don't think it is important. (Would I e-mail people to tell them that Kathleen is straight??)....Sparky

Nobody accused Bear of any such thing. Go back and read my post again.

As a matter of fact, one of the posters here went over to the AMC board and accused Bear of posting his story in order to get flamed. It is signed doolie. Who is calling who afraid to sign their own name????

I can go to the GH board and sign as an AMCer--doesn't mean I am one. eom Kathleen

Hope you aren't accusing a DOOLie of starting trouble. Like Kath said, it could be anyone. You could be anyone. Why don't you just fess up to who you are? Oh, I get it, you're having too much fun!!! I understand, I used to be this way in 1st grade too. Ba-bye! eom (Monty)

And a few weeks ago a poster claiming to be an amcER was posting here trying to stir up trouble.Who knows who they are?Or if you or that so-called doolie ever posts anything without trying to cause trouble?Do you really have a regular board that you post on?Are you the one posting on that other board as ''doolie''?How convenient that you couldn't wait to tell us all about it.Go back to the drawing board on this one,or back to the board that always seems to be thinking of us.Chow!

Why is it SOOOOOOOOOOOOO important or relevant that someone provide you with their name? Is their viewpoint any less relevant because you can't identify who the author is? And speaking of boards....clean up your house, before criticizing others. You guys are bickering amongst yourselves constantly. Eom.......

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.....You obviously have us confused with another board?The only so-called bickering here is with anonymous trouble makers like yourself who won't go back to your own board.Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa...hehehehehehehehhehehe(I know how some of you hate that!).....Dulcinea,Sarcasm Monitor....OH What?You hate monitors too?hehehehehehehehe

I have read everyone's comments below, and especially read what you, Bear, wrote below about believing in God, and what all you have went through. I want you to know, that I have truly learned something today.

I'm admitting that I've been raised in ignorance to this subject. I live in a small town, and this stuff is just not very common around me. Now, in my post before, I did state, and restate that I had nothing against anyone being gay. But, then, I guess I did contradict myself when I said that I couldn't stand the site of it.

I want to be totally honest with myself, and everyone else. I can't sit here and lie to everyone and say that I can stand the site of seeing 2 men/2 women kissing. I can't stand it. It truthfully makes me sick to my stomache. I can not help that fact. And, I'm sorry about that.

Maybe I'm not making sense here. I understand that being gay is something that can't be helped, and I have nothing against you. Honestly, I don't! I noticed that you said that that you're forced to see straight people kiss everyday. I can understand if that makes you sick to your stomache, using my own words here. Unfortunately, you're faced with that everyday because it is more common. But, I don't take offense to you saying that, but my words are offensive because I said I was sickened at watching gay people kissing.

Ok, maybe I'm not making any sense here, I'm sorry, I tend to ramble sometimes.

Once again, I am very sorry for offending you, that I am very clear on. I don't know you that well, but what I do know of you, I know you're a peacemaker, and seem to be a very friendly person. Now that I know you are gay, does not make me think ANY differently of you. {I would just prefer not to see you kiss another guy}.

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Well if it isn't 'I'm so sorry Traci'. Aren't you getting as sick of putting your foot in your mouth as we are having to read your constant apologies after thoughtlessly insulting people? Haven't you learned anything? Silly question. Guess not. But I'm sure by tomorrow it'll be hugs and kisses and forgiveness all around. Real life should be this easy.

I am not standing up for Bear or Traci...... but I really must say.....If you feel you must flame, then have the GUTS to leave your name!!!! eom - savage

Well wasn't that a nice reply. I see where you are coming from, you hide behind an alias, and then you come here calling us ''narrow-minded'', when its YOU who flames someone because YOU don't like her opinion! If that isn't close-minded, I don't know what is! I don't know what your problem is, but ppl like you will never be happy with the way gay ppl are treated, whether good or bad or indifferently. I hope you just don't come back until you lose the chip on your shoulder! eom Noreen

Until now I have been only an occasional contributor. I see no need to use my name. I think focusing on my name is unimportant. What is important is what I posted, not who I am.

SUFB -- Why is it that some of you just will not let it go my mistake I made a few weeks back? You keep referring to how things are in the 3D world, but in the 3D world I honestly don't think that everytime I turned around I would be getting put down for ONE MISTAKE!!!!! That mistake doesn't even have anything to do with this!!!!! Everytime I turn around, I'm being flamed here on this board, and my name even gets brought up over at another board....when I have NOTHING to do with the situation!!! My friends have put this in the past, why can't the Anonymous flamers do the same? And also, regarding this current situation -- I'm so sorry for having my own opinion! Isn't that what debates are all about??? In both the 3D world and here as well!!! Also, even though I know that everytime I turn around I'm going to get flamed, I STILL don't hide behind an alias!!!!! -- Traci

The reason the 3-d world would forgive you is because they have the life these flamers have none other wise they would get over what happen weeks ago! Blow them off Traci EOM B.J.

Traci, don't pay any attention to that anonymous comment. I don't even understand why this anonymous occassional poster mentioned the incident that happened to you a few weeks ago. As far as I'm concerned, it's irrelevant to what you posted here. Traci was courageous enough to post here and say she regrets saying what she did. Anyhow, it wasn't Traci's comment that Bear Hunter was referring to. I believe his topic here was addressed to *Nope*. -- eom Sandra

Very true. Traci, I respect that fact that you came forward with YOUR opinion. AND I respect the fact that you learned something new today. I trust that you use this new found knowledge to educate other folks that there is a wonderful diversity of people in this world and that we need to teach each other how wonderful that diversity is. Big hug! GRRR!

Traci, clearly this courageous and intelligent person with no name, is simply jealous. eom Bobbi

Jealous? Are you kidding me? Of what? Of Whom? And why? Lets see if I can follow your twisted rational....would I be jealous of a person who is having an online affair while newly married? No..I manage to have a perfectly nice relationship with my man. Jealous of what passes for friendship here??? No-I think not. Jealous of you? Since I jealousy isn't my MO, I can't imagine what you have that I would want, and even then, that would be envy wouldn't it??? Please be so kind as to explain.....I really need to undstand this jealousy thing you all keep falling back on as an excuse when you have no idea of how to answer a post.

I'm just a bit tired of this holier than thou know all attitude of this spinless no name poster. You have truely become a pain in the a$$. If we upset you so, bag it once and for all. You don't like us and I sure could do without you. So take your profound wisdom and I'll let you figure out what to do with it. Your free to go elsewhere and brighten someone elses day......( MicroDoc )

I don't think this person is jealous. I think this person just has a mean streak a mile long. (Ellen)

ellen, i totally agree. also i am RIGHT with TRACI on this issue...i have no prob's with homosexuality...but i don't want it shoved down my throat. i have no problem with the fact that my parents have sex, BUT that doesn't mean i want to see THAT either...LOL...being the yellow-bellied coward that i am, i am going to remain anonymous, for i have seen what happens to those that have an opposing view. this is a shame, i thought this is a DISCUSSION board, not a 'let's all conform' board!---eom

okay... i changed my mind about anonymity...this is sam...i am peeking in and had to give my 2 cents above. i appreciate everyone's opinion, and i hope you can appreciate mine!...see ya back in a few days....sam

Right on, my Ursine Brother!

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Peace back to ya bro! GRRR!

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Bravo!! Good point!!

WOW!!! Another anonymous poster heard from. And not one flame in evidence. Do you folks only jump on anonymous posters who disagree with you?

What we do is read the posts and then respond to what is actually written.You should try it sometime.Why does your lack of comprehending simple logic seem so familiar?....Those of us who didn't disagree with this poster,didn't why?We don't disagree!DUHHHHHHH!

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That's funny Ellvis. Is it OK if we joke a little Mr Bear? Not in a hurtful way of course. eom Bobbi

LOL! Actually, I always thought everyone knew already. I thought it was cute. ''Ahem . . . now . . . . tell me more about this ''Papa Bear''. LOL!

GRRR!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! eom Bobbi

Well.........Papa Bear is tall, dark, and very, very furry. What do you think?? ROFLMAO!!!!! eom - savage

Hmmmmm. Your making my fur stand on end and makes me want to go GRRRRRRR! (Evil Grin).

Last time I saw Papa Bear he was sipping a brandy and gently puffing on a cigar. A very elegant bear, with just a dash of gray around the temples. Yummy. eom Bobbi

LOL! Sounds like his tummy is yummy! GRRR!

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Not ALL people who read the bible think everyone who doesn't do the same is going to hell, that seems to me to be a petty generalization on your part, pot calling the kettle!

Did I say ALL? I think I said NOT ALL! read it again. eom Lisa M

'' The same people who qoute the scriptures as proof to base their intolerance upon think that all non-Christian people are going to hell. ''

And the same people that quote the bible seem to do it quite selectively, always ignoring the parts about loving your brother, judging not and of course, the old throwing the first stone.

"And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Mna.

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother , and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

Our bodies are male/female compatable, why do colostomy bags exist if homosexuality were "natural"? I don't want to be flamed, but I believe by the teachings of the Lord and what is specifically laid out in the bible. I am sorry if this is offensive. Everyone has his/her own choice to do what they will, and that is a wonderful thing.

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That is one of the main reasons I do not belong to any church. I refuse to let narrow-minded antiquated thinking dictate to me how I should and shouldn't feel! Thank you, but I think I am a more accepting open-minded person than SOME of my religious friends!!! I am not aiming this at anyone here--but this kind of dogma really irks me. eom Kathleen

A little off the subject here....but your statement about colostomy bags is ridiculous...there would be a lot of dead ''straight'' people if not for this medical apparatus...I personally have 2 close friends (straight by the way) who would have been dead years ago if they didn't have this apparatus...also, ''agree with nope'', if this is your opinion and strong held belief about homosexuality, why wouldn't you ''come out'' as a straight person and identify yourself? Remaining anonymous is for people who feel they can't defend their actions....sorry Bear...I'll answer your post up above...eom...Lulu

Lulu---well said! What are you assamed of? This is obviously your belief--stand up and show yourself. You have the right--as I have my right to disagree with you! eom Kathleen

And you wonder why some of us don't leave names when we go against the ''norm''. Now I'm being pounded for my religion but just because gay is ''P.C.'', lets all jump the bandwagon, right?

I can't tell you how sick I am of people using the bible as a weapon. Not only are you in complete ignorance with your reading because of it you are selectively reading what you want to hear. In the bible when it talks of homosexuality it is mostly talking about it as a pagan religious rite which many of the early christians participated in as well. The priests were trying to tell them they could rely on God for all their needs and need have no superstition about other gods, in order to enforce this among their flocks they would resort to all sorts of dire threats. I would also like to point your attention to Mathew 19; 12. 'For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men;' In biblical times eunuchs were particularly associated with homosexuality. One more quote; Isaiah 56: 4-5 , ...To the eunuchs who keep my covenant to them I will give within my temple and it's walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off.' I could go on as I am very familliar with this subject but I'm fear it would be lost on you. If you want to allow your ignorance to continue hurting people stay the way you are, but quit using the bible to bash others with it stains those whom you revere. Also bible bashing is the most horrid type of abuse because you are dealing with people's souls the closest part of them to God. eom Ann

You put yourself out in the open for making the statements in the first place. If you have a differing opinion--which obviously you do---so what? We can all have our own opinions and still respect one another. Remember the old saying? I may not agree with what you say--but I'll defend with my life your right to say it! Personally I have no anger towards a person who thinks such as yourself. And I'm up for a good discussion--a peaceful one. Do you remember when I posted the prayer topic? So many God believers really got riled up. But I stand by what I believe--I tell everyone and I'm not ashamed!! I'm an agnostic. And you know what? My God believing friends don't think any less of me!! If they did--they wouldn't be my friends and I'd be better off without them!!! eom Kathleen

Kathleen, WELL said! I'm sorry but I'm just not up for a fight against the whole board, I was expressing my opinion and look what happened, too bad not everyone believes like you do. eom, awn

Okay, I hope this is dropped then. Lets let it go and move on to another post!! I think we all said what we needed to say anyway. Peace. :-) eom Kathleen

Dear folks . . . . . . (especially to believers)

Bear Hunter: How that must have been such turmoil for you growing up. I am glad you are who you are! Sure of yourself, and happy and content! More of us need to be JUST THAT WAY! Thanks for sharing with all of us. eom Kari

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