E S C H A T O L O G Y

 
By: 
Dr. Richard M. Nies - 1975

Transcribed (with permission), Edited, and Presented By:
 Haydn k. Piper - 1985
 
 *   *   STUDY #9 -  Part I    *   *  

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                          THEIR  FINAL  WITNESS

                               REFERENCES:
                Olson;  The Crises Ahead  Ch. 18, 19.þ8 0!
                Chaij;  Preparation for the Final Conflict  Ch. 9  
                White;  The Great Controversy pp616-623, 631-634                          			 Early Writings  pp282-285
                Patriarchs and Phrophets  pp195-203                                                            


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                  PURPOSE: WHY should the saints be put                        through the time of trouble? 
                      NATURE: WHAT will it be like?    
                                DURATION?  
                    WHY  does God speak so loud?                     WHAT  preparation can be made? 
                        GRAND  OPPORTUNITIES !  

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        We  cover,  in  this study, essentially the same period of time
    that was covered in the last study; from the time of the close  of
    probation  up  to  the  time of the coming of our Lord.  The last
    study was concerned primarily with the activity  of  the  Satanic;
    we  could  see  the efforts made to destroy the people of God, to
    keep this people from forming, and this becomes  a  revelation  of
    what it would be like to really live in a world in which Satan had
    complete  charge.   Because of this notion, the study was entitled
    SATANS'  FINAL   FLING! 

        This study covers the same period, only where we  are  looking
    at the Saints, not at the satanic.    This has to do with THEIR FINAL WITNESS. 

        This  time is also refered to as "The Time of Jacobs Trouble",
    there are some who consider this whole time period from the  close
    of  probation  to the second coming of Christ, the Time of Trouble
    and then couched within that time span a small segment of time  as
    the  Time  of Jacobs Trouble beginning at the death decree.  After
    examining the evidence, and reference for that  is  given  in  the
    Bulletin insert,  I  don't  believe  that  you will find that this
    distinction holds up.  I think that The Time of Trouble, The Great
    Time of Trouble, and The Time of Jacobs Trouble are sinominous; it
    it  does  not  begin  at the death decree, it certainly is brought
    into focus at that, but it begins at the time of the close of probation.  It is this period of  time  where  God  steps  aside  and
    allows Satan to have full control of the elements, and Satan has his
    fling. 

        We  can see why it would be part the larger purpose in the
    plans of God to allow Satan to have full control.  But why  should
    the saints have to be a part of this?  Certainly none of them will
    change their minds, so why should they be a part of this time?  Is
    God  sadistic?    None  of  them are going to be weeded out.  What
    could be accomplished by this; why not just let Satan do his thing
    with his own people.  Why must the saints be involved? 

        This becomes then our problem as we consider  this  time  span
    from the perspective of the saints. 

        I  think that we can find two very good reasons why the saints
    must participate in this experience. 

         First  of  all  it is a part of the larger revelation.  Again
    remember the basic  charge  that  Satan  has  made,  beginning  in
    heaven;  charged against the government and character of God, that
    God cannot secure the allegiance of the universe on  the  basis  of
    His character.  "No one will serve God", the charge is made, "just
    because they love Him." 

        This  is  basis of morality: to love and adore for the persons
    sake; not for anything that can be derived from the  person,  just
    the value of the person themselves. 

        Satan has charged that this could not be done;  this method of
    running  a  universe, based on an appreciation of the character of
    God would not work.  This was really an attack on the Law of  God;
    God's  law  is  the way He runs the universe, these lawful orderly
    relationships.  It really wasn't spelled out  in  black-and-white,
    when  the creature was introduced to his creator they fell in love
    Him.  Satan said: "this won't hold up, I can run a better  govern-
    ment."    This  was  based  on self-exhalation, the desire to be
    first, the desire to be God. 

        The cross effectively showed that the human being, impregnated
    with the divine nature could indeed serve God and love Him without
    flaw just on the basis of His character.  Christ demonstrated  the
    possibility,  but  Satan  could  still say: "Show me a people, not
    just isolated instances.  Show me a people that can serve you just
    because they love you.  You certainly can't run a universe on  the
    basis of just a few."   Abraham, Jacob, Job, Moses and some others
    led  very holy lives, not to begin with, but as they matured.  And
    Satan could still claim: "These are just individuals,  God  cannot
    have  a  people.    I  have a people!"  And this is what Satan has
    always claimed,  Give me a universe  where  everyone  is  free  to
    choose and I will have everyone following me." 

        God is waiting for a moment of time when all of the issues can
    be clarified; when  it  becomes  possible for everyone at the same
    time to see as never before what the issues are in  the  universe.
    That is, if this moral point could be clarified, once and for all,
    for  the  entire universe, if true morality could be demonstrated,
    could be explained and so qualified that everyone  could  see  what
that issue was; and we have described before how this becomes symbolized
 in the Sabbath experience.  If this were  universal,  then
    God  could  say:  "Here  are  my  people,  they  have  always been
    underground, but here they are." 

        As we studied  last  time,  it  is  Satan's  last  purpose  to
    exterminate  them.  He goes about, as symbolized in Revelation, as
    a Roaring Lion just furious at the formation of this people.    He
    will  attack  this remnant.  And now the question comes: "Are they
    really God's people?"  Certainly they are the weakest of the weak.
    If anyone should demonstrate the deleterious effect  of  heredity,
    they  should.  If at any time in history that Satan should be able
    to show that God could not have a people, it  should  be  at  this
    time.    If  in  this context God could have a people that reflect
    this quality of morality, that they would rather die than be  dis-
    loyal,  that  they  would  give  of  their  lives  rather  than be
    unloving.  If in this time a people is sealed with  the  character
    of  God, reflecting the Mark of His character, and coming out into
    the opening, then this would be the grand opportunity for  God  to
    say:    "It can be done, and I can populate the universe with this
    kind of people."  This people will be the clinching argument  for
    God;  that  it  is possible to have a people who love Him just for
    His own sake. 

        And so the first reason, or purpose of having this people  who
    are  sealed, even though they are not going to be weeded-out, even
    though they are not going to turn against God, but it will be part
of the greater revelation of God, that now God can say:   "Alright
    Satan,  you  said  it was impossible, I will let you do everything
    but destroy them.  Test them, try them out, see what kind of fiber
    they are made of.  And we will let the universe watch."  Very much
    like the experience of Job.  "But let me  tell  you  something,  I
    know  them,  they are like me, they reflect the divine too."  This
    is going to be the nucleus of the new kingdom, so go  ahead,  have
    your  last  fling." 
                        
         This  effectively uproots every argument that Satan has ever
    had.  God will demonstrate.  He can say: "Here they are, here  are
    they   who  keep  the  commandments  of  God and have the faith of
    Jesus."  And Satan cannot defeat them. 

        And so the first answer to  this  question  of  why  must  the
    saints go through this time, is revelation. 

        Secondly,  there is something that God wants  to  do  uniquely
    with this last remnant.  I think that can best be described by the
    notion  of Refinement.  This people, symbolically described in the
    book of Revelation (Rev. 7 and 14)  as  the  144,00,  representing
    this large mass of people.  They are going to be special ambassador-
    ors  for  God through-out the ages.  This is going to be a special
    people that are going to be translated.  This is a people who have
    seen the full historical process.  They will understand  what  God
    is doing in His Sanctuary.  They will understand what God is doing
    with  this  world, and in the full light of the impact of history,
    they will have made these choices.  They are described as "walking
    with the Lamb wherever He goes. 

        It would be important with this people, that  they  understand
    more  deeply than any other people what this is all about, so that
    they can speak eternally for God.  What God will do then is permit
    them  to  share  the privilege of the deepest experiences that our
    Lord experienced; in Gethsemeny and on the Cross.    He  will  let
    them  be  refined  to  a  point, where they have risen above every
    sensuous feeling, to trust God.  Remember, at the Cross  our  Lord
    could  not see through the portals of the tomb, He had no immediate
    experience that the Father was with Him.  All He could do  was  to
    rely objectively on what He knew about His father.  At that moment
    He  had  no  feeling  that  the Father was with Him.  Sensing that
    despair He cried out:  "My God, My God,  Why  have  you  forsaken
    me?"  And that's is what He felt.  His next statement was:  "Never
    the  less, into thy hands I commend my spirit!"  I choose to trust
    you.  I choose, on the basis of the evidence that I have  of  your
    trust  worthiness  and  love, I choose, inspite of these momentary
    feelings that I have, That you have gone off and left me, I choose
    to trust." 

        That is the highest order of faith (trust);  I trust you Lord,
    based on the evidence I have of your character, this is not a leap
    in the dark.  I choose to trust you, even at moments when my sense
    experience cannot corroborate that trust.  That's faith!   This  is
    the  kind of refinement that these people will have; they will dip
    deeply into this experience of faith, every vestige of earthlyness
    will be removed from them because under the  provocation  of  wave
    after  wave  of  feelings  that  they  are worthless, that God has
    forsaken them.  They will know, on  the  basis  of  their  earlier
    experience,  on  the  basis of what they know to be true about the
    character of God.  They know that in spite of the lack of  feeling
    at  that  time that God has not forsaken them.  As they make these
    repeated choices, under provocation, they will reach  a  depth  of
    understanding and closeness with God that will permit them to sing
    a  new  song.   A song of experience that no-one else will ever be
    able to sing, because they have tasted deeper than any other human
    group. 

        And so  for  this  additional  refinement;  not  that  God  is
    sadistic,  but  that He might prepare them for an eternal mission,
    to be spokesmen in this new kingdom for Him. 

        For  Revelation  and  for Refinement we find meaning as to the
    purpose of  why  the   saints   are   involved   in   this   final
    demonstration. 

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        What is the NATURE of this suffering?þ4 '$

        We  know  that there will be tremendous physical upheaval;
    we studied that last time.  The saints  will  be  exposed  to
    this.  There will be physical distress, there will be hunger,
    there   will  be  a  tremendous  discomfort  because  of this
    upheaval, and the saints  experience  this  as  well  as  the
    wicked. 

        But  that  is  not what makes it so trying, any more than
    the cross was a physical instrument, became the most  trying
    thing  for  our  Lord  to  suffer.  His mental anguish was so
    great that his physical pain was hardly felt.    It  is  this
    mental  anguish that will be so trying for the saints at this
    time.  But, that very anguish will be   the  means  of  their
    development,  of  completing  the  very  fullest  and deepest
    development of their character and personality.  The  anguish
    that  they  go  through will be of the sort that we have just
    mentioned; it will be an anguish that resides in a  conflict:
    "Do  we derive our source of reality from what we feel?" and 
    of course the environment impinging upon them at  that  time,
    the onslaughts of the devil working through the nervous sys-
    tem will impress them emotionally, in a very sensate way that
    they   are  abandoned,  that  they  are  worthless.   As Jacob
    struggled just before he met Esau, and there was a threat  on
    his life, Jacob reviewed his life and he reminded God that he
    was sorry for all of the acts of selfishness that he had ever
    entered  into, and sensing his own feelings of worthlessness,
    he claimed Gods' promise to be with  him,  and  even  at  the
    height  of  these  feelings  he trusted God.  As he wrestled
    with Christ his soul cried out: "I  will  not  let  thee  go,
    except you bless me!" 

So  will the saints enter into this experience of wrestling
  with God; this experience, of which there  will  be  this
    grand  demonstration that here is a people who will trust God
    inspite the immediate sensations and  feelings  and  emotions
    that they do have.  And here is this conflict: "Does one live
    by  ones  feelings, does one live by immediate gratification,
    does one live by what impinges upon their physical system  at
    any  one  given  moment?  Or does one rise above this through
    the highest judgement of ones' mind, even though the feelings
    are contrary to this?  Does one say: "No, I will trust,  even
    though  He slay me!"  And this might be the feeling that they
    have. 

        This becomes this anguish that one has, this conflict be-
between the gut level sense of living; between living  for  the
    moment  and living for the long haul.  Between living for the
    momentary gratification's that seem to be  the  highest  thing
    that anyone could want; to feel good versus that out reach of
    trust and love, even at points where it does not seem  to  be
    an  advantage to do so.  Love does not always feel good.  It
    is a tragedy of  our  society  that  individuals  derive  the
    reality  of  love,  not  on  the  basis  of some principle of
    thought and action,  but  on  the  basis  of  some  emotional
    experience. 

         This  will  be  the  conflict. the real issue which will
    take place over the controversy of the soul during this  time
    of  anguish.    Will  God  leave His people, will there be no
    providence for them?  Even though they live without an inter-
intercessor,  and  if we stop to think about it there really is no
    more need for the intercessor when the saints  are  no longer
    sinning.  They will be so refined, that not even by a thought
    will they deny their Lord.  This not mean  that  God  is  not
    exercising  His  providence  in  their  behalf.   Without the
    providence of God at this time they could not stand.  This is
    not a last-ditch stand in which they are going through it  by
    themselves.    God  is in the thick of it with them; and even
    though they don't sense it moment by moment, they  reach  out
    in faith and say:  "I know He is with me, even though I don't
    feel it." 

        We  can  say  two  things  about God's providence at this
    time:  First of all, He will preserve His people;  they  will
    not  be destroyed, not a one should be killed after they have
    made their decision.  It might feel that they are getting  up
    to  this  point  of  fear  of  starvation and threat on their
    lives, but with all of these fears they cannot be  destroyed.
    God will preserve them, He will send His angels to watch over
    them,  His  providence  will  preserve them during this time.
    Secondly, He will also communicate with them.  At times  when
    they  need  to hear the word most dearly, in prison cells and
lonely  mountain retreats, in their attempts to avoid assassination
 , He will visit with them.  From time to time, we  are
    told there that their cells, their prisons will light up with
    the  radiance of God.  This will sustain them, they do not go
    through the same type of total separation that our Lord  went
    through,  none  has  to  got  through  that.   There will be
    approximations of this experience, but God  will  communicate
    with them during this time; the saints will hear His voice. 


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        Last  time we talked about the duration of this time, and
    I want to come back to this for just a moment.  How long will
    this time be? 

        From  the  readings suggested there are these quotations,
    plus some:

 
        T  T   Vol 1. p.204:  "When Jesus leaves the most  
            holy, His restraining spirit is withdrawn from              rulers and people.  They are left to the control of evil angels.  Then such laws will  be              made under the direction and counsel of Satan  
            that  unless  time  should  be very short, no                flesh could be saved."  

        G C   p.631    "For  the elect's sake the time of              trouble  will be shortened."  

        G C   p.490  "Probation is  ended  a  short  time  
            before  the  appearing  of  our  Lord  in the              clouds of heaven."  
        Day Star  Mar. 14, 1847                   (To the Remnant scatard Abroad)  
            "Then Jesus layed off  His  priestly  garment               and put on His  Kingly  Robe,  and  took  His              place  on  the cloud which carried Him to the              East, where it first appeared to  the  saints  
            on  earth  as  a small black cloud, which was  
            the sign of the son of man.  While the  cloud  
            was  passing  from the Holliest to the  East,  
            which  took  a number of days, the  synagogue      
            of Satan worshiped at the saints' feet."  

                      Notice those expressions:

                ". . . time should be very short . . ."                  ". . . time . . . will be shortened . . ."                  ". . . a short time . .                  ". . . a number of days . . ."  

        We  don't  really  have  any specific statement as to the
    exact number of days, but it was suggested that there is  one
    possibility (even though not  TOO  much  should  be  made  of
    this). 

        If  we take seriously the significance of prophetic  time
    in  the  eighteenth  chapter  of Revelation, we are told that
    this time should last "one day", and in prophetic it  can  be
    shown  that  one day refers to 360 of our days.  Then it also  
    refers to this time as one hour, seemingly inconsistent;  one  
    day or one hour.  Now, one hour in prophetic  time  would  be
    1/24th  of  one  prophetic day, or 15 days (1/24th of 360) of
    our time.  Now, it is possible that Satan wanted a full  year
    for his fling; unless his time were shortened from one day toþ  
    one hour, no flesh could survive.  Infact, Satan would pretty  
    well wipe out all of his own people. 

        Even  though there is no real documented support for this
    idea, it fits in quit nicely with the idea that  Satan  would
    like to have a full year and God tells him no; "shortened for  
    the elects sake."  
        I  see  no reason why this time should be prolonged.  God
    is not sadistic and is not interested in prolonging this.   A
    couple  of weeks of total Satanic control is all it would take
    to show the universe the full implication of Satan's  way  of
    doing things. 

  

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