E S C H A T O L O G Y

 
By: 
Dr. Richard M. Nies - 1975

Transcribed (with permission), Edited, and Presented By:
 Haydn k. Piper - 1985
 

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          INTERMISSION : The time between the 2nd and 3rd. comming 

                                 REFERENCES:
                   White;  The Great Controversy pp657-674 
                          Early Writings  pp289-295 


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                     What is happening during this time,
                           from the perspective of:
                                 The SAINTS, 
                                 The WICKED, 
                                      &
                                  The DEVIL 
         

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        Now they watch God use His power, in a very constructive  way,  to
    recreate  the  earth,  and  they see this massive majesty, this power,
    this display, this God who is a consuming fire,  creatively  preparing
    the  abode of the righteous.  And the anguish gets to them like it has
    never gotten to anyone before.  God has added nothing, He has just let
    them be.  This is the wrath of God!  A  very  loving  thing;  God  has
    simply  accepted,  as  Paul  tells us in Romans 1, that when they have
    suppressed the truth in unrighteousness, when there  is  nothing  more
    that  He  can  do  for them, He must acknowledge that He must let them
    alone. 

        If God has to add anything to this to  make  it  worse,  then  sin
    isn't  so  bad.    But  they get to the point where they real- ize two
    things: that they don't fit, that they just wouldn't fit  in  to  this
    new  earth  that  God  has  just  prepared,  nor would they be able to
    survive with the rest of those who have chosen as they have; they  are
    horribly  alone,  and  theyrecognize  the undoneness of the situation.
    They also recognize something else: That God is  a  wonderful  person.
    In this recognition, and without this recognition they would never ask
    for  mercy,  they  know  that  they can get it.  When they get to that
    moment of truth, they ask God for mercy, and He  tells  them  that  He
    still  loves them but there is nothing more He can do, their condition
    is incurable.  At the moment when they ask, God steps in and for  that
    individual   God   unveils   His   majesty,  and  they  are completely
    anhialated, matter is transformed back into energy. 

        Why do some take longer than others? For the  simple  reason  that
    their habits are moe entrenched; it takes some longer for some because
    of  their  blindness,  to come to their moment of truth.  God must let
    them be until they ask for mercy; they can have it any time they want,
    they can live as long as  they  want.    God  would  have  to  prepare
    something  special  for them if they chose to live, but God knows that
    they aren't going to want this.  God is a very perceptive person.  All
    He has to do is to leave them alone, which is really  what  they  have
    chosen,  that  is  always  the ultimate end of selfishness.  They have
    what they have asked for, they cannot stand it, they  ask  for  mercy,
    and  God  does  something  that He did not even do for His own Son; He
    cuts it short in righteousness.  Remember when Christ got to the point
    where He would have died Thursday night? The Father sends an angel  to
    strengthen Him, so that He might suffer on.  Christ is the only person
    who  has  ever  lived,  or will ever live, who suffered the full total
    consequences of sin.  God did not cut that short in righteousness; sin
    exhausted itself in Christ. 


        God wanted the universe to see this in its totality, noonelse will
    ever have to experience that, because if at any point where  they  ask
    for  mercy  they will get it.  Not so with Christ.  When He asked, "If
    it be possible this cup may pass from Me?" He didn't get  the  cup  to
    pass  from  Him.  But the wicked are told, "When you have a full cup I
    will take it from you." He didn't do that with Christ. 

        Some must live longer than  others  simply  because  of  the  more
    deeply  ingrained,  or  more indellible, are their habit patterns, the
    entrenchness of their tendencies, Satan  must  live  longer  than  the
    others  simply  because  it  takes him longer to come to his moment of
    truth before he realizes that "God you are a good person, and  what  I
    have  chosen for myself is total misery, won't you please help me, and
    give me one final manifestation of your love." This  is  what  elicits
    this  confession  from  from the wicked.  They come to the point where
    they recognize that God is this kind of person; they  didn't  see  Him
    that way before, and they didn't expect that they should have mercy. 

        This tells us something very significant about sin, and about God:
    First  of  all  it  tells  us  that  sin  is so bad that God could not
    anything to it; if anything He takes something away.   When  He  gives
    them  mercy, He shortens their sentence.  It would be horrible for God
    to let them live past the point of  their  realization  that  this  is
    horrible.    God  adds  noth-  ing,  He subtracts.  This is important,
    because if we have a concept that the wicked have to suffer  something
    that  Christ  didn't  have  to  suffer,  it  raises too many problems.
    Certain- ly if we consider, in the final process,  something  that  is
    simply  physical,  that  somehow  the flesh is consumed away, piece by
    piece, rather than recognize the figurativeness of this language, then
    we trivialize sin.  We can say then that it really isn't so  bad,  God
    has  to  show  by  His reaction, that it is so horrible, He has to add
    something to it to make it worse.  That isn't the  case,  if  anything
    God takes away from it because it is so awefull.  He does this when He
    exercises mercy to the wicked. 

        Secondly  it tells us something about the love of God.  God is not
    sadistic, God is not resurrecting the wicked so  that  they  can  fry,
    that's unlike God.  Certainly the saints couldn't see any justice, any
    mercy  or  love in this kind of a process.  God is not doing this, and
    we see God being  consistent  with  Himself  right  up  to  the  final
    anhialation  of  teh  wicked.   You can admire and love that kind of a
    God.  And yet that does not in any sense trivialize the awefullness of
    sin. 

        So why does God resurrect the wicked? Because God desires  nothing
    more,  nothing  higher  than  their  freedom; they must have the final
    word.  God gave them eternal life, He will never  take  it  away  from
    them,  but  they can refuse it, and it must be done in such a way that
    it is patently evident to the universe that God has  destroyed  noone.
    They have already destroyed themselves; there would be no point to let
    them  live  on  as  just  a shell of selfishness.  They have the final
    word.  God respects His creatures and will  respect  their  judgement,
    and  when  they  can  see  what choices they erally have, and in their
    condition in which they have become endilliblized in selfishness,  God
    knows  that  they  would  never  want  to  live  beyond that moment of
    realization of what it is really about; and so He must do this out  of
    respect  for  His  creatures,  and  out  of  respect for the onlooking
    universe, that they might realize the real nature of sin. 
                                 
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        What are the saints doing to judge in this process?  Why  do  they
    have  to  decide  how  long a person has to suffer? If you go back and
    study this closely you would find this comment  in  Great  Controversy
    page  661,  that  they with Christ, and Christ endorsing what they are
    doing.  The implication is that they decide, according to their  deeds
    how  long  they are going to suffer.  That might seem strange, but not
    at all if you take it in the context that has just been described. 

        If God grants mercy too soon, before it represents the full choice
    of the wicked, the controversy will  always  remain  open,  there  ill
    always  be the possibility that they really didn't choose this result.
    And so God trusts the saints to recognize as they go over the  record,
    as  they  understand  the  character of the wicked, that "God you must
    hold off long enough for them to come to this realization; if you  cut
    it too short it might make it look like you have destroyed them." 

        I can imagine that God would like to get it over with and not have
    to let them suffer, but the saints say: "god you must be carefull, not
    too  soon."  God  really  knows at what point it is really wise to  do
    this, but here is God respecting the judgement of His creatures and it
    is  as if the saints are sying God you have to waite.  We know you are
    a loving God, we know it pains you  to  let  them  suffer,"  and  what
    loving  parent will not suffer with their children, even when they are
    bad.  And God reflecting His own nature, wants to get this over  with,
    He does not want to see them suffer, that is why He sent the Flood, in
    mercy  to the suffering of even the wicked on this earth at that time.
    The saintssay to God, as it were, "God you have to waite so long,  and
    it  is  going  to  take so-and-so this long to come to their moment of
    truth, and someone else a little longer." Now, if they  go  too  long,
    then  God  is  in  the position of allowing unecessary suffering.  Gos
    wants everyone to understand that there is a right moment for  Him  to
    step  in  and exercise mercy.  And what is that point? It is according
    to their deeds, it is according to the indellibleness of their  deeds,
    their  habits,  of  their  works, that the time is different.  And the
    saints pass judgement, not in the sense that they have  to  suffer  so
    long,  but to recognize what God is doing, that God will not do it too
    soon and He will not waite too long; He will  do  it  just  right  for
    every  person.  The saints validate what God is going to do before God
    takes action.  Nothing arbitrary about God, He exposes Himself to  the
    whole  universe  and  accepts  their  judgement  as  to  how He should
    function. 

    There is also something else that the saints are  going  to  be  doing
    during this time.  They are also validating what God had done in their
    own lives, not just with the wicked.  We have this marvelous statement
    in the Desire of Ages, that if we could see the end from the beginning 
    we  would  choose  to have God lead us, just in the way He has led us.
    God even says to us, "I'll give you the final word." 

        Have you ever felt that you would like to look back at  your  life
    and  see what God has done in your life, and say, "God that is exactly
    what I would have done myself if I had known what you  knew,  and  had
    been  in  a  position to understand." You would feel safe if you could
    make that kind of statement; "you know that is exactly the way I would
    have wanted it to be." That is exactly what God is  going  to  do  for
    us. 

        It  is  really  God  that  is  being judged: how He dealt with the
    wicked and how He dealt with the saints.  The saints are going  to  be
    able  to look back through all these mysterious moments when it didn't
    look like it made sense and they will be able to ask:  "Why  God,  did
    you  do  it  this way?" And God says, "You take a look for yourselves,
    and you tell me what you think." So during  this  thousand  years  the
    saints  will  look at these times and they wiil get the understanding,
    and will go back to God and say, "this is  fantastic,  that's  exactly
    what  I  would  have  done. You couldn't have done a better job by me;
    infact it is even better than I would have done." 

        If everyone gets the final word on God, that should give  everyone
    encouragement,  no  one  could  complain.  God must stand that kind of
    inspection.  Everywhere along the way, even when  it  seems  a  little
    vague,  and this is where we must trust God, God is doing nothing that
    you wouldn't do yourself if you had a chance to know  what  He  knows,
    and if you were loving like Him so that you would want to do the right
    thing,  you  would  do  exactly  what  God is doing now, to all of His
    creatures. 

        So this time is a period to study  and  investigate  how  God  has
    dealt with the wicked and with you, and all of the questions that they
    have  had  will be worked through and answered and understood, so that
    they themselves will come to the  conclusion  that;  "God  you  are  a
    fantastic  person."  The  whole universe will recognize the wisdom and
    the love and the graciousness of God.   This  thousand  years  permits
    this kind of judgement. 

                                 
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        Well,  what about the Devil? We haven't figured him out yet.  What
    the Devil, is he doing? It seems like God is rubbing his nose  in  the
    dirt.    Not  really.   According to their deeds.  Satan, perhaps more
    than any other being, has deceived himself in many respects.  I  think
    that  here in lies tha answer to the questions I have heard: "Why does
    Satan go and do all these things, since he knows  the  scriptures  and
    trembles  at  the thought of Gods' might and power?" It is simply that
    he has believed his own lies. 

                G.C. p.660  "Because of  his  unceas- 
                ing  activity  since his fall, he has 
                bannished reflection..." 

        An interesting statement:  "... banished reflection ..." 

        How is Satan ever going to get to his moment of truth, when he has
    been  around  for  so  long,  and  has  been so malicious, has been so
    selfcentered as to boggle the imagination; how can a person like  this
    ever  come to his moment of truth? That is going to take a little more
    time.  So in part, the thousand years for Satan and his colleagues  is
    a  conditioning  process.    He  has  bannished reflection, he has had
    blinders on.  And so now through the creation  of  these  circumstance
    God takes his selfimposed, blinders off. 

        After  all, even Satan must have final word for himself, and it is
    going to take a little longer for himand his.  So God gives  them  the
    opportunity, through this thousand years, to take the blinders off. 

        There  is  another  interesting  thing  that  I  would like you to
    consider during this time.  in Revelation 21:1-3 where  it  speaks  of
    this  "bottomless  pit",  the  Greek  word  is abusos, we get our word 
    abbyss.  In  the  Greek  translation  of  the   Old   Testement,   the
    Septuagient,  in  Genesis  1  and  2, where it says that the earth was
    without form and void, the stuff is there, but God  hadn't  formed  it
    yet.    And darkness was on the face of the deep; that word "deep", is
    abusos, the same word we get abbyss, or bottomless pit. 

        In the book Great Controversy we are told that the earth  will  be 
    brought  back  partially to the original state.  And Satan has to live
    in it.  There is something  very  significant  about  that.    In  the
    beginning  Satan  became  jealous  of  Christ  in terms of His role as
    creator.  We are told that Satan wanted to create, we are not told too
    much about this, but in putting all of these  passages  together,  and
    looking  at there is something that stands out like a neon sign.  I'll
    bet God gave him a chance; I'll bet He had this ball of mud, and there
    is no evidence other than circumstantial and it  is  not  inconsistent
    with  what  we  do have, and it does fill in the picture we do have as
    you may see in just a minute. 

        Let's just assume for a moment that Satan wanted to  be  creative.
    He  really  couldn't  create,  and  in Patriarchs and Prophets it says 
    Satan wasn't consulted because he had nothing to offer; so  God  says:
    "O.K. Satan do what you want." 

        What did it look like when he got through? It was without form and
    void,  darkness was on the face of the earth, it was an abbyss, it was
    a mess.  And  Satan  now  charged  God  with  holding  back  from  His
    creatures  something;  the ability to create.  And what did God do? He
    stepped in, artistic- ally, creatively, and I think that God even  had
    fun  at creation week, delighting the whole universe, with ease, as He
    fashioned this  ugly,  icky  ball  of  mud  into  something  that  was
    fantastically  beautiful.  The design an order that we see in creation
    week is fantastic;  the  design  and  preparation  of  the  first  day
    prepares  for  the  fourth  day, the second for the fifth day, and the
    third day prepares for the sixth day.  A very interesting design.  And
    ofcourse the seventh day is a grand celebration of  what  it  was  all
    about.   Before man ever started to work he had a date with God, let's
    celebrate.  The universe was exstatic.  In Job it tells  us  that  all
    the  morning  stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for
    joy.  They were jumping  up  and  down  with  excitement.    They  had
    probably had the opportunity to watch for eons to see what Satan could
    do. 

        God  took this ball of mud and turned it into something beautiful,
    Satan couldn't hack  it.    Which  brings  up  another  point  to  the
    mellinium;  What  if God gives Satan one last chance to create? And so
    he has a thousand years, to do anything he wants;  and  what  does  he
    have  when  he gets through? It is the same way, just like it was when
    he left it the first time, an abbyss.

        And what does the creator do again? He steps-in, our God who is  a
    consuming  fire,  His majesty, His power; God then recreates.  He does
    not destroy the elements, there is nothing wrong  with  the  elements.
    When  the  Bible says, "Behold, I make all things new." The Greek word
    is kinos not ne'os; ne'os means something new that  has  never  before 
    existed,  that  is not the word used, when God creates all things new,
    it is kinos, new in quality.  God does something very simillar to  the 
    original  week,  the elements are O.K., they have been twisted up, and
    so what does God have to do? He re-arranges them,  restructures  them,
    "and the ellements shall melt with fervrent heat", and the earth is in
    tremendous  upheavel.   God redesigns it just like He did in the first
    place. 

        This is a very impressive scene  for  all  of  the  righteous  and
    wicked  as  well.   This has significance then in terms of what God is
    doing with Satan.  Satan gets another chance.  He wants to  build  his
    kingdom,  he  wants  to  restructure,  he  wants  to  be creative; and
    ofcourse he cann't do it.  This helps Satan to realize that he  cann't
    do  it,  he has never admitted it probably even to himself; because he
    has bannished reflection, he cann't  see  what  even  he  looks  like,
    because he has blocked reality. 

        God    gives  him one last shot at reality and another opportunity
    to do what he has wanted to do all along, and he cann't do  it.    And
    once again the creator steps in. 

        So  we  see,  that with the wicked, with the saints, and even with
    Satan; God is a very wonderful person.  There is so much wisdom in the
    way He has handled this controversy.  God is not  a  vindictive,  mean
    tyrant, who is going to raise someone to sizzle.  I think that we have
    trivialized  sin  with  such a conception; the language doesn't demand
    it.  If we would get in and really understand these  expressions,  and
    in no sense are we trying to allegorize this. 

        I think this particular scheme makes a tremendous amount of sense,
    I  think  it  does  justice to the language, and I think it gives us a
    real picture of sin.  More important than anything else, it  indicates
    the  character  of  God.   This is the glorious picture of God at work
    during the mellinium. 

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