image

The Doctor's Opinion

image

image

Part One
Part Two
Part Three
Part Four
Part Five
Part Six
Part Seven



Part One

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


ASSIGNMENT:
Read from AA Big Book, The Doctor's Opinion, page xxviii, adapted to compulsive overeating.
Respond to questions about this reading.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


"The classification of compulsive overeaters seems most difficult, and in much detail is outside the scope of this book. There are, of course, the psychopaths who are emotionally unstable. We are all familiar with this type. They are always "going on the wagon for keeps." They are over-remorseful and make many resolutions, but never a decision.

There is the type of man who is unwilling to admit that he cannot eat certain foods. He plans various ways of overeating. He changes when he eats or the restaurants he eats in. There is the type who always believes that after being entirely free from overeating for a period of time he can take an extra bite without danger. There is the manic-depressive type, who is, perhaps, the least understood by his friends, and about whom a whole chapter could be written.

Then there are types entirely normal in every respect except in the effect food has upon them. They are often able, intelligent, friendly people.

All these, and many others, have one symptom in common: they cannot start overeating without developing the phenomenon of craving. This phenomenon, as we have suggested, may be the manifestation of an allergy which differentiates these people, and sets them apart as a distinct entity.

It has never been, by any treatment with which we are familiar, permanently eradicated. The only relief we have to suggest is entire abstinence."

. . . . . . . . . . . The Big Book


«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


Hi, my name is Thumper, and I'm a compulsive overeater. The thoughts and opinions here are my own and do not represent those of the Recovery Loops or OA as a whole.

It seems easy, for the most part, to understand what abstinence means in the context of the alcoholic. They either drink alcohol or they don't. Nobody is ever confused about whether they have abstained or not. This may not be so clearly understood in regard to food.

This concept of abstinence is often a point of controversy within OA and is often confused with a food plan, which is only a tool to help us find and maintain abstinence. Abstinence, in its purest form, means nothing more than to abstain from compulsive overeating.

When someone defines their abstinence as no sugar and no flour, they are really telling us what they do and don't allow on their food plan. The point to them though is that they know if they eat either of those substances, it will lead to the phenomenon of craving, which will lead them back to compulsive overeating.

I would recommend the book ,"Abstinence", by Overeaters Anonymous, which is a collection of short stories and essays by members of OA, each of which define and explain their abstinence in different ways, and also offer their experiences on how they obtained the abstinence.


«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


THE QUESTIONS

1. Which classification do you fall in?

2. Are you one that refuses to give up certain foods, no matter what?

3. Have you tried some of these "tricks" to avoid overeating?

4. Does your overeating stem from emotional instability or are you "normal" in all other respects?

Part Two

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


ASSIGNMENT:
Read from AA Big Book, The Doctor's Opinion, pages xviii-xxix, adapted to compulsive overeating.
Respond to questions about this reading.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


"This immediately precipitates us into a seething caldron of debate. Much has been written pro and con, but among physicians, the general opinion seems to be that most chronic compulsive overeaters are doomed.

What is the solution? Perhaps I can best answer this by relating one of my experiences.

About one year prior to this experience a man was brought in to be treated for chronic overeating. He had but partially recovered from a gastric hemorrhage and seemed to be a case of pathological mental deterioration. He had lost everything worthwhile in life and was only living, one might say, to eat. He frankly admitted and believed that for him there was no hope. Following the elimination of the overeating, there was found to be no permanent brain injury. He accepted the plan outlined in this book. One year later he called to see me, and I experienced a very strange sensation. I knew the man by name, and partly recognized his features, but there all resemblance ended. From a trembling, despairing, nervous wreck, had emerged a man brimming over with self-reliance and contentment. I talked with him for some time, but was not able to bring myself to feel that I had known him before. To me he was a stranger, and so he left me. A long time has passed with no return to compulsive overeating."

. . . . . . . . . . . The Big Book


«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


Hi, my name is Thumper, and I'm a compulsive overeater. We talk often in this program of hitting our bottom and how different that can be for each of us. For me, the bottom wasn't reaching a certain weight or a devastating medical condition, although these were certainly considerable in my case. My real bottom came when all hope was gone, when I'd given myself up as one of the doomed, and just wanted to die. I didn't know it then, but that was the beginning of my recovery.

Often now, I run into acquaintances from the past and offer them a quick smile and a friendly greeting. I watch their faces as they struggle with their memories, knowing they must know me from somewhere, but they just can't quite place it. Sometimes their expressions will change into one of amazement, as recognition dawns on them. Other times, we pass our separate ways with quizzical looks still on their faces.

Some of this strange lack of familiarity comes from the changes in my size, to be sure. But even more so is the change they see in my eyes. That dullness that comes with loss of hope has been removed and replaced with a sparkle. Not only do I no longer look like the person they once knew, I'm "not" the person they once knew.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


THE QUESTIONS

1. What was your bottom?

2. Are there more bottoms still out there waiting for you?

3. Do others see the changes within you, and can you see these changes yourself?


Part Three

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


ASSIGNMENT:
Read from AA Big Book, The Doctor's Opinion, pages xxix-xxx, adapted to compulsive overeating.
Respond to questions about this reading.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


"When I need a mental uplift, I often think of another case brought in by a physician prominent in New York. The patient had made his own diagnoses, and deciding his situation hopeless, had hidden in a deserted barn determined to die. He was rescued by a searching party, and in desperate condition, brought to me. Following his physical rehabilitation, he had a talk with me in which he frankly stated he thought the treatment a waste of effort, unless I could assure him, which no one ever had, that in the future he would have the 'will power' to resist the impulse to overeat.

His compulsive eating problem was so complex, and his depression so great, that we felt his only hope would be through what we then called 'moral psychology,' and we doubted if even that would have any effect.

However, he did become 'sold' on the ideas contained in this book. He has not had a compulsive bite for a great many years. I see him now and then and he is as fine a specimen of manhood as one could wish to meet.

I earnestly advise every compulsive overeater to read this book through, and though perhaps he came to scoff, he may remain to pray.

William D. Silkworth, M.D.

. . . . . . . . . . . The Big Book


«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


Hi, my name is Thumper, and I'm a compulsive overeater. When I got to the point that depression ruled every waking moment and I no longer wished to be alive, I began to think about the different ways that I might want to die. My favorite fantasy was that I'd buy a huge amount of food, go off into the woods, and eat until I was dead. I laugh now when I look back on such a silly plan. If I could have eaten myself to death that easily, I'd have died many times over. And of course, once I had run out of food, would I have chosen starvation as a way to die? Not hardly!

The remainder of this month will have us looking at Appendix 2, Spiritual Experience. One of the biggest barriers, many cross on their road to recovery, is finding the willingness to accept a program of recovery that concerns itself with issues of spirituality and "moral psychology". References made to God have turned more than one poor suffering soul away from the doors of OA. Yet once this barrier was passed, many a skeptic have found a lifetime of abstinence from compulsive overeating.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


THE QUESTIONS

1. Had your compulsive overeating taken you to a point where death seemed a welcome relief?

2. Was the idea of a spiritual life an initial deterrent to you remaining in OA, or did you embrace it with open arms?

3. Were you one of the scoffers who remained to pray?


Love,
Thumper

Part Four

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


ASSIGNMENT:
Read from AA Big Book, Appendix II - Spiritual Experience, page 569, adapted to compulsive overeating.
Respond to questions about this reading.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


"The terms 'spiritual experience' and 'spiritual awakening' are used many times in this book which, upon careful reading, shows that the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from compulsive overeating has manifested itself among us in many different forms.

Yet it is true that our first printing gave many readers the impression that these personality changes, or religious experiences, must be in the nature of sudden and spectacular upheavals. Happily for everyone, this conclusion is erroneous."

. . . . . . . . . . . The Big Book


«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


Hi, my name is Thumper, and I'm a compulsive overeater. The opinions given here are mine alone and do not represent those of the Recovery Loops or OA as a whole. Debates on spirituality and religion are always divisive and once started, are difficult to squelch, especially here on the internet where a conversation that would normally take a few minutes to complete can last for days. I will consider it a success if I can navigate this topic without creating debate and that will be my goal.

This chapter, "Spiritual Experience", was a great relief to me. I came to the room of OA, listened to people describing their close bond with their Higher Powers, and began to feel that I was missing something, or that I somehow wasn't working the steps properly. I was waiting for my "sudden and spectacular upheaval" and expected to be struck God-conscious at any moment.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


THE QUESTIONS

1. Were the changes in personality you experienced sudden in nature?

2. Was the spiritual experience of the type you were expecting?

3. Were you one of the scoffers who remained to pray?


Love,
Thumper

Part Five

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


ASSIGNMENT:
Read from AA Big Book, Appendix II, Spiritual Experience, pages 569-570, adapted to compulsive overeating.
Respond to questions about this reading.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


"In the first few chapters a number of sudden revolutionary changes are described. Though it was not our intention to create such an impression, many compulsive overeaters have nevertheless concluded that in order to recover they must acquire an immediate and overwhelming "God-consciousness" followed at once by a vast change in feeling and outlook.

Among our rapidly growing membership of thousands of compulsive overeaters such transformations, though frequent, are by no means the rule. Most of our experiences are what the psychologist William James calls the "educational variety" because they develop slowly over a period of time. Quite often friends of the newcomer are aware of the difference long before he is himself. He finally realizes that he has undergone a profound alteration in his reaction to life; that such a change could hardly have been brought about by himself alone. What often takes place in a few months could seldom have been accomplished by years of self-discipline. With few exceptions our members find that they have tapped an unsuspected inner resource which they presently identify with their own conception of a Power greater than themselves."

. . . . . . . . . . . The Big Book


«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


Hi, my name is Thumper, and I'm a compulsive overeater. I was one of those who didn't realize I'd gone through this profound change until it had already happened, slowly, over an extended period of time, in which I worked the steps to the best of my ability, and acted "as if" in matters of spirituality. The process was so gradual for me that I don't know at what point it was that I passed from that huge void and into the land of the living, when death no longer seemed preferable.

Friends commented, or wrote to me, for many months with their observations that they were seeing such a change in my mannerisms, in my attitude toward life in general, and toward those who were a part of it. I think if I had known that these changes were taking place at the time that they were, my rebelliousness and fear of losing myself would have prevented further growth. Change doesn't come easily for many compulsive overeaters, even when that change is so obviously for the better.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


THE QUESTIONS

1. Was your spiritual experience of the "educational" variety?

2. What is the nature of this profound alteration in your reactions to life?

3. Did your friends and family notice it before you did?


Love,
Thumper

Part Six

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


ASSIGNMENT:
Read from AA Big Book, Appendix II - Spiritual Experience, page 570, adapted to compulsive overeating.
Respond to questions about this reading.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


"Most of us think this awareness of a Power greater than ourselves is the essence of spiritual experience. Our more religious members call it 'God-consciousness.'

Most emphatically we wish to say that any compulsive overeater capable of honestly facing his problems in the light of our experience can recover, provided he does not close his mind to all spiritual concepts. He can only be defeated by an intolerance or belligerent denial.

We find that no one need have difficulty with the spirituality of the program. Willingness, honesty and open mindedness are the essentials of ecovery. But these are indispensable."

. . . . . . . . . . . The Big Book


«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


Hi, my name is Thumper, and I'm a compulsive overeater. The opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect those views of the Recovery Loops or OA as a whole.

I sometimes wonder why this chapter isn't put at the beginning of the Big Book rather than at the end, but I accept that it is written and set up as it should be for whatever reason. I had difficulty with the spiritual concepts in the beginning, because I had thought I needed to have a certain intensity of belief in this Power greater than myself. But as the text points out, I only needed these three things. What I didn't know was that I already had them, for without willingness, honesty, and open mindedness, I'd have never been able to walk through the doors of OA and say without reservation that I was a compulsive overeater.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


THE QUESTIONS

1. What willingness did you bring to OA?

2. Were you able to behonest about your eating?

3. Were you, and are you still, open minded to spiritual growth?


Love,
Thumper

Part Seven

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


ASSIGNMENT:
Read from AA Big Book, Appendix II - Spiritual Experience, page 570.
Respond to questions about this reading.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation. - Herbert Spencer"

. . . . . . . . . . . The Big Book


«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


Hi, my name is Thumper, and I am a compulsive overeater. The thoughts and opinions expressed here are my own and do not reflect those views or opinions of the Recovery Group or of OA as a whole.

When I came to my first OA meeting, I was one of those who knew automatically that 12-step recovery wasn't for me. If I didn't believe in God, and I had no sense of spirituality, how could it possibly help me? But there were enough people in the program wise enough to tell me that all that didn't matter. All I had to do was keep coming back and remain as open-minded as possible. Did I believe them? Not really, but I was desperate enough to give it a chance, and although I knew it couldn't work for me, I could see it was working for others. I found comfort in being around other people who understood my compulsive need to overeat.

«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»


THE QUESTIONS

1. Did you come to OA with preconceived ideas of what it was about?

2. Were there parts of the program for which you found yourself contemptuous?

3. How did you overcome this attitude?


Love,
Thumper


Back

Top

Next

image

JOIN US

BIG BOOK HOME

BIG BOOK COMPLETE TEXT

1999 BIG BOOK STUDY

2000 BIG BOOK STUDY

RECOVERY GROUP

E-MAIL

[IMAGE]

[IMAGE]

Copyright © 2000 ~ The RECOVERY Group 1