Babble v1 129

babble-digest Tuesday, January 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 129

In this issue:
Re:pre-caching HTML
Re: Web Designer wish list
RE: Pre-caching HTML
Re: Web designer wish list
Re: Business apathy towards web sites?
Re:Animated Image replacement
Re:Animated Rollover
Re: www mixed media ...
Re: Animated Image Replacement
TECH: Re: Animated Image Replacement
256 color palette for PhotoShop 4
PhotoShop Training
RE: babble-digest V1 #127
RE: babble-digest V1 #127
Re: Actions Palette In PS4

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:49:22 +0900
From: Rod <rod@nastything.com>
Subject: Re:pre-caching HTML

Hi,

This from-

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html32.html#head

It mentions a value for the LINK element-

rel=next
The link references the next document to visit in a guided tour. It can
be used, for example, to preload the next page.

Has anyone seen this in use? If not,why?

Rod Peno
rod@nastything.com cccosaka@osk.threewebnet.or.jp

Our real lives are elsewhere.Art finds them.
Jeanette Winterson [art OBJECTS]
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:24:31 +0000
From: Paul Frost <paul@hpromo.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Web Designer wish list

In message <34BAC1EA.4365@calebfuller.com>, Caleb Fuller
<email@calebfuller.com> writes
>Sitting in my studio late last night, checking manuals and references
>when code didn't work and colors are remapped almost at random in my
>images, I began to formulate a web design wish list.
>
>1. A poster size chart of the web safe color palette to stick on the
>wall. Lynda Weinman has a great chart, with the colors arranged usefully
>according to hue, and RGB and hex codes written on each one, available
>for download. I want this thing 3 foot square and stuck on the wall.
>
>2. A reference which not only lists ALL HTML tags, and ALL options, but
>which versions of which browsers first supported them. Thus I could
>easily tell, for instance, if the browser has moved into a frameset, it
>MUST also support these other tags. If it has called a piece of
>Javascript, then by definition these other tags can be used. Even some
>sort of browser version chronology, with the tags added to each version
>listed, would be good.
>
>Anyone care to add to this? I am looking for ideas for things (NOT
>software products - that has been discussed enough) that would make your
>life as a web developer so much easier.
>
>Caleb Fuller
>Analog Creations
>email@calebfuller.com
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identical user setups. as designers, i guess most of us spend most of time doing
cross platform stuff. and i'm trapped in an evil mac to NT situation right now.
i was recently doing some intranet work for use on standard machine/browser
combinations, and it was superb fun.

such a shame then, that both netscape and ms perceive that it's in their best
corporate interests to pursue their current competing products policy. it's
beyond me sometimes

number 2 on my wish list: that the png format gained the popularity it needs to
become the standard it deserves to be. sadly, lowest common denominator work
will slow this process for sometime to come

whine whine whine

i am a more positive person really

"don't know about you but i am un chien andalusia"
Paul Frost Web Development
www.phw.co.uk Priority Healthcare Wearside
paul@hpromo.demon.co.uk Sunderland, UK
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:35:58 -0000
From: Liam Fitzgerald <Liam@BIS.IE>
Subject: RE: Pre-caching HTML

Hello all,

This is a tip I picked up from another mailing list
(CyberStudioTalk@cool.acc-inc.com) but I haven't had time to try it yet.
Anybody willing to lab test this one???

<QUOTE>

2. Instant Page Loading!

Wouldnt it be great if you could load the next page in a sequence whilst
a user is viewing the current one. Just think as soon as they clicked
the
'next' button it would appear - no time lag! Well you can now (supposed
to work in any HTML 3.2 compliant browser).

It works like this:
(erase comment tag - just there for people using HTML aware email
clients)

As soon as the current page has finished loading the next one loads in
the background ready for that old click of the 'next' button. Of course
this can only work in a linear sequence of pages but I can think of many
instances were this would be a God-send.

</QUOTE>

Credits for this little gem go to Steve C. Joyner
<mailto:steve@sjoyner.com> | <http://www.sjoyner.com>
and Adam Stone <iqdesign@geocities.com>.

Regards,
Liam

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________________Liam Fitzgerald
_________________Graphic/Web Designer
__________________www.creative-fusion.ie

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:00:58 +1100
From: "Yalcin Yilmaz" <yyilmaz@catapult.com.au>
Subject: Re: Web designer wish list

Adding to Caleb Fuller's wish list..

>1. A poster size chart of the web safe color palette to stick on the
>wall. Lynda Weinman has a great chart, with the colors arranged usefully
>according to hue, and RGB and hex codes written on each one, available
>for download. I want this thing 3 foot square and stuck on the wall.
>
>2. A reference which not only lists ALL HTML tags, and ALL options, but
>which versions of which browsers first supported them. Thus I could
>easily tell, for instance, if the browser has moved into a frameset, it
>MUST also support these other tags. If it has called a piece of
>Javascript, then by definition these other tags can be used. Even some
>sort of browser version chronology, with the tags added to each version
>listed, would be good.

+ Reference - How do various browsers handle certain tags (when they're
handled differently) and other, fundamental differences in handling the
same HTML - so we can work out workarounds!

+ An HTML formatter - puts in the correct no of tabs/spaces, new lines,
formats JavaScript code so the if/then/else and the { }'s line up
vertically... to make your code look pretty! (I used to have one of these
for Visual Basic and C++ source codes) - I'd kill for one of these.

| Yalcin Yilmaz
| Catapult Design House
| yyilmaz@catapult.com.au
| http://www.catapult.com.au
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:39:32 -0400
From: Jen Worden <jworden@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: Business apathy towards web sites?

Hi Scott :

Scott Clark wrote :
>
> It is there that I'm starting my site development business and would like
> some advice.
>
> In my explorations of small to medium sized business web site market, I've
> found quite a bit of apathy towards the internet and what it can offer.
> Many businesses, while interested in the internet, simply cannot see the
> benefit of a site to business growth, customer flow, etc. The national
> advertising which includes URLs regularly is helping a bit, but still it's
> frustrating.

Yes. Yes. Oh god. Yes!
We have been pursuing electronic marketing [web & presentations &
CD-ROM]
for going on 5 years in rural Nova Scotia. Most trends hit here 5 years
after everywhere else so this is the year!

It has been a long, tough slog. Most of our local trade still see the
web as being bleeding edge technology or not applicable to what they are
doing. Generally the competition for local business is from a
neighbouring town and we've found this to be the hardest obstacle to
overcome. The fact that this [the web] is a "global market", that the
face they present should mirror a larger scope is a difficult concept
for them to grasp...they just don't "get it". They still figure that
cheaper is better and if 15 year old nephew can do HTML then, by god,
that's okay by them.

Our largest weapon has been numbers. Working those statistic packages to
death. Showing them that 200 people a day from all across North America
are visiting their site has done far more than even concrete evidence
[a booking for a B&B by someone that specifically mentions their
website,
for example].

But they are still reluctant to pay top dollar. So we work away hoping
that eventually they will see the light and hang on by the skin of our
teeth in the meantime, [plied with liberal usage of : "But the
lifestyle!
The lifestyle is much healthier!] :^)

Great discussion area!

ciao for now...

Jen Worden

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:46:36 PST
From: "Steve Crowl" <artworks24@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:Animated Image replacement

Chris,
I have an example of this on my site.... check it out. They are some
'spinners' that begin to spin when the mouse rolls-over...

<http://www.artworks.net> Goto the Web Graphics Section --> Anim page...

HTH.
Steve Crowl - Digital Artworks

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:48:58 PST
From: "Steve Crowl" <artworks24@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:Animated Rollover

Just a follow-up...

It seems that when I was experimenting with this, I looped the animation
like 1000 times or more, that way the animation never ended up on the
last frame.

However, I also created animations of a static image that flipped over
with the mouseon, and then flipped back with the mouseoff. I had no
problem preloading the images or anything.... Although I only ran this
from my hard disk (choose not to use it because of the file sizes I had
created to get smooth animation)... It seemed to work fine. They were
also transparent gif images, which floated a shadow over a textured
background....

I was kind of proud of the end result, because it had a very unique
look. However, the file sizes caused me to think better of loading them
on a page which was already at the limit of my desired load time..

At this time the images are not online, but I would be happy to post
them if any one is interested in viewing, or deconstructing them....
email: <steve@artworks.net>

Keep up the good threads,
Steve - Digital Artworks
<http://www.artworks.net>

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 08:53:48 -0500
From: Wendy Clark <clark@portland.com>
Subject: Re: www mixed media ...

>what resources (ie. sites/archives) for sound media, perferably public
>domain/free, do any of you use?

Matt, I've got a couple links under "multimedia" on my development page
at <http://www.mnetwork.com/wendy/liquefy.html> that might give you a
start.

___________________________
Wendy Clark
New Media Development Group
http://www.nmdg.com
clark@portland.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 09:18:41 -0500
From: Wendy Clark <clark@portland.com>
Subject: Re: Animated Image Replacement

>Has anyone managed to use an animated gif as as the second image in a image
>replacement script? I can get a good result from NS4. NS3 displays the
>final frame. IE4: W95 displays the final frame; Mac displays the first
>frame.

Rats! I thought this worked cross-platform, cross-browser. Looks like
it's back to the drawing board.

<http://www.mnetwork.com/wendy>

It DOES, however, work in NS3 on a Mac and VPC.

If you get replies off-list, Chris, would you please forward them to me?
Thanks.

___________________________
Wendy Clark
New Media Development Group
http://www.nmdg.com
clark@portland.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:40:12 -0500
From: Brian Dame <brian@iweb.net>
Subject: TECH: Re: Animated Image Replacement

>[snip]
>>Has anyone managed to use an animated gif as as the second image in a image
>>replacement script? I can get a good result from NS4. NS3 displays the
>>final frame. IE4: W95 displays the final frame; Mac displays the first
>>frame.
>[snip]
>
>You're right, this was discussed in an earlier post. I can't find the URL,
>otherwise I'd point you at a site that does it. (I believe it was Jason
>Harris of Meniscus Interactive Design whose site it was.)
>
>Basically, the problem is that if you preload the animation with JS, you
>get this problem where the animation runs in the background, and by the
>time the rollover happens, it's already on the last frame.
>
>One solution to this problem is to preload the animation on the page sized
>to a single pixel, and not do the JS preload at all. This seemed to solve
>Jason's problem when he was doing his rollover.

- --
Another solution is to put a loop in the animation with a long delay in the
last fame. This will cause the animation to always be ready on the
mouseover and it will start at the correct frame.

- --
Brian Dame
i n t e r w e b
http://www.iweb.net/~harold/

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:52:03 -0600
From: Richard Bondi <rbondi@virginia.edu>
Subject: 256 color palette for PhotoShop 4

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Enjoy!

Best,
Richard Bondi

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:11:28 -0800
From: Christopher <chris@christopher.org>
Subject: PhotoShop Training

The best training for PhotoShop anyone can do is to print out Kai's Power
Tips (somewhere on the web, probably at metatools.com) and spend *a lot*
time for you and your computer following the tips and doing your own
variations. This is one of the best ways to learn the program.

Christopher Schmitt
new media design & consultant
http://www.christopher.org/

On Monday, January 12, 1998 1:26 PM, Kathy McMillan wrote:
> Reply to Gilster:
>
> There is a training company for Photoshop called VTC, Inc.
> They have an excellent training CD. Call 1-888-TRAIN-CD or go to
> www.vtco.com.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:28:27 -0800
From: "Scott M. Lowry" <lowry@arroyo.com>
Subject: RE: babble-digest V1 #127

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I'm quite sure that Outlook (full version, not Outlook Express) not only =
doesn't format e-mail as HTML by default, but that it couldn't if you =
wanted it to. It's my understanding that the default settings are SMTP =
(Simple Mail Transfer Protocol), with an option for rich text format for =
sending to MAPI-enabled clients. E-mail and HTTP/HTML are two very =
different worlds. However, if there's a way to view e-mail in a browser, =
I'd be curious to know about it.

Just felt compelled to defend a program that I wouldn't want to be =
without.=20

Scott Lowry - lowry@arroyo.com

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:43:05 -0800
From: "Jim Bass" <jim@bassworks.com>
Subject: Re: Outlook Express

With Outlook Express on Windows, the default setting is for email to be
formatted as HTML. Likely this is true for the Mac version. This causes
grief for email clients that don't support it. So if you want to use it =
(I
do) make sure to change the default.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:28:27 -0800
From: "Scott M. Lowry" <lowry@arroyo.com>
Subject: RE: babble-digest V1 #127

I'm quite sure that Outlook (full version, not Outlook Express) not only doesn't format e-mail as HTML by default, but that it couldn't if you wanted it to. It's my understanding that the default settings are SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol), with an option for rich text format for sending to MAPI-enabled clients. E-mail and HTTP/HTML are two very different worlds. However, if there's a way to view e-mail in a browser, I'd be curious to know about it.

Just felt compelled to defend a program that I wouldn't want to be without.

Scott Lowry - lowry@arroyo.com

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:43:05 -0800
From: "Jim Bass" <jim@bassworks.com>
Subject: Re: Outlook Express

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:49:03 -0600
From: John Magruder <masseur@unety.com>
Subject: Re: Actions Palette In PS4

> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:09:49 EST
> From: TheGilster <TheGilster@aol.com>
> Subject: Actions Palette In PS4
>
> Dear all,
> I am sure all of you know about the actions palette inn (oh, i'm
> sorry,
> typo.....throw the book at me if you have to....) PS4, but I was
> wondering if
> it is possible to create an action where it could crop an image, add a
> shadow,
> and reduce it's colors in a click or to so I don't have to remember
> all these
> parameters to keep my images looking consistent.
>
> Thanks,
> Gil Kruger
> [----~--o0o--~----]
>
> Howdy Gil,
> With Actions, you can do MOST of what you describe. One thing
> that actions cannot do is record a selection. So you have to come up
> with the selection on your own, and then run your action. Everything
> else that you have described can be done. It does not matter if you do
> it the (don't hurt me) 'old fashioned' way [copy layer... fill
> black... gaussian blur... layer opacity tweak] or if you use something
> like Alien Skin EyeCandy or Extensis PhotoTools to make your shadow.
> If your plugin is scriptable (which these two are) you can do it.
>
> There are some sites out there that have some actions people have made
> that you can download. One is http://jmc.mit.edu/photoshop/home.cfm
> The owner Joe Cheng does not update it much, but there are a few good
> ones in there. Mostly flashy, typical special effects. Not many
> utilitarian actions.
>
> I use actions everyday. Primarily I use them to hide and show specific
> palettes (which frees up my desktop), but I also have a few simple
> ones that save me lots of time, even if it is only a few seconds each
> instance, such as: Crop; Crop the Inverse Selection; Goto RGB; Goto
> Index Color; Copy to a New Image; etc.
>
> I use these every day. I can't even remember what life was like before
> PS4!
>
> If you want to make your own actions to pass around to others, you
> should read this page: http://jmc.mit.edu/photoshop/howtodebug.htm It
> was written by Andrei Herasimchuk of Adobe, called "How To Debug a
> Newly Created Action".
>
> Give it a shot and see what happens!
> <voice type="salesman" style="Infomercial">It could potentially change
>
> your life!</voice>
>
> John Magruder
> masseur@unety.com
> http://masseur.unety.com
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