Babble v1 131

babble-digest Wednesday, January 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 131

In this issue:
Re: what direction?
Re: what direction?
Javascript and java
competing standards
Tools - QuicKeys for the PC
re: What Direction?
what the company wants

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 19:14:17 -0500
From: Matthew Snow <snow@maine.rr.com>
Subject: Re: what direction?

>first, to say what you should concentrate on is not for me, or anyone
>else (IMO) to say.

>anyway, to say what you should concentrate is not an easy thing: work on
>what you do best.

Well, thanks for your response, but the question was rhetoric. I wonder
about these things as I am sure most of you do, I just wanted to hear
what others think (dream, say, mumble).
Thank you again, hope to hear more responses.
Matt

snow design
portland, maine.
207.774.5452
snow@maine.rr.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:09:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Newell <matt@ns.qnis.net>
Subject: Re: what direction?

asking which direction to go and what to focus on in particular depends
solely on the application..

if you are going to work for a firm that is a collaborative that has
specialists in different parts of the design process, thus allowing you to
do whatever you feel most comfortable in.

on the other hand..

if you are in business for yourself, you have no choice but to learn, or
hire out what you do not already know.

either way, what you do is determined by your involvement within the
industry and your dependance on others to fill in the missing links. both
solutions are applicable, and acceptable, it just all depends on what you
*want* to do. (* used for emphasis over capitals ;)

-- jEsTeR

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whatever is not nailed down is mine;
what i can pry loose, is not nailed down

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Luis Cota wrote:

> Matt Snow wrote:
> > I want to continue to be a multimedia designer with a concentration on
> > the web, and yes, I will always feel behind, but where do I draw the line?
> > Am I to be a Jack of all trades, Master of none in this world of
> > specialization? Where do I draw the line and concentrate on one thing?
> >
> > Sorry if this is too philosophic for anyone, but I am sure others feel
> > this way. I hate being a worry-wart, but it comes with the job.
> >
> > Matt "I feel a nightmare coming on" Snow
>
> regardless of my age, i have some feelings about where it is going.
> first, to say what you should concentrate on is not for me, or anyone
> else (IMO) to say. the reason for this is that the web is new, and is
> now finding new paths to the same end: communication. essentially, in
> the future, there will be lots of components to web site creation, more
> like commercials, if you will. but then again, that is my opinion and
> being that i am very young, can change very quickly. also, programming
> will become more important, as more web apps come to being. personally,
> i don't really like this idea, and i hope it doesn't come to be, but the
> media has played around with it so i felt compelled to mention it here.
> anyway, to say what you should concentrate is not an easy thing: work on
> what you do best. mainly, i think animation and good graphic layout will
> play a large role in the future.
>
> luis cota
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:00:13 +0000
From: Luis Paz <guerrpaz@esoterica.pt>
Subject: Javascript and java

Hi
this is my first post so i hope i dont go too
off topic...
Does anyone know if its possible to implement forms
in java, capable of submitting contents via email
(like in javascript)Or at least capable of calling
a javascript function to do it?

Luis Paz

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:27:39 +1000
From: Caleb Fuller <email@calebfuller.com>
Subject: competing standards

Paul Frost wrote:
>...and i'm trapped in an evil mac to NT situation right now.

I think this is a mistyping. Shouldn't it be 'a Mac to evil NT situation.' ;-)

>such a shame then, that both netscape and ms perceive that it's in their best
>corporate interests to pursue their current competing products policy. it's
>beyond me sometimes

Likewise. As I have said before, I am fed up with the whole browser situation.
The sad thing is that there is easily room for multiple browsers in the market
(at LEAST two) but only as long as they all support a common standard. This
competing and incompatible standards thing going on at the moment can only
result in the eventual domination of one browser. Currently, one browser is
being given away free as the default browser on both major computing platforms
(PC/MAC). TIP: This probably won't be the one that dies....

Interesting question - would MS prefer you to use Netscape under Windows, or
IE on a Mac?

Caleb Fuller
'Some people believe, and some people know' - Ben Harper
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:34:21 -0600
From: "Michael Lowry" <mikel@activecanvas.com>
Subject: Tools - QuicKeys for the PC

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something as robust and straightforward?

Thanks!

Michael Lowry
mike@activecanvas.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:53:06 +1000
From: Caleb Fuller <email@calebfuller.com>
Subject: re: What Direction?

Matt Snow wrote:
>Where is the web headed? ha ha ha ha....no, really?
>What I mean is that I am a multimedia designer, but what does that mean
>now? What skills are you guys trying to gain and still feel like an
>artist/designer? I am not a good programmer, but do I have to become one?
>Why?

As a multimedia designer, I think your skills are going to be in great demand
in web development. Many web sites are heading more and more in the same
direction as multimedia CD-ROM. Increasing bandwidth will speed this process
up. Just look at how many musicians are moving to the web as a means of
expression, at least as a compliment to their CD releases, and sometimes, as
in the case of David Bowies Earthling, to release material BEFORE it is
available on CD.
If you don't want to become a programmer, I don't see why you should. Large
projects are usually going to be worked upon by teams anyway - graphic
designers and programmers and others (sound engineers, photographers, actors,
animators, marketing ideas people (oops, how did that one get in)).
On the other hand, some people, such as myself, like to be generalists. I
like to code pages in HTML and handle technicalities, as well as immersing
myself in graphic design. To use David Siegel's quote "Jack of
None"...implying "Master of All Trades". However, even I am being forced to
concede that there are some things I am just not going to be able to do. I
have drawn the line at SQL databases. When I need to do things like that for
sites, I am going to contract someone. (And you thought HTML programmers were
a dime a dozen - all the SQL programmers at IBM are Uni students forced to
work for free just so they can complete their course...whole intranet
databases there are done for free by students. This explains why I never got a
look in at the Intranet stuff there!)
Yes, I can explain the technical reason a Pentium requires two 72 pin SIMM
modules per bank whereas a 486 required only one, or why said 486 is often
faster at 33MHz than as a DX2/50MHz....but I JUST DON'T CARE ANYMORE...
If it ever comes to the crunch, I would choose designing graphics and layout
for pages over actually coding them. Running a small web design studio, I
don't actually have that luxury. I must do everything.

Caleb Fuller
Analog Creations
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:35:09 +0100 (MET)
From: cvodb <vonb@xs4all.nl>
Subject: what the company wants

Hello babble...

new subscriber here.
I am currently employed as an 'internet editor' for a broadcasting
company. 'Internet Editor' is a vague term for 'we need someone who knows
about bit about the internet, can write, has a journalistic background,
can design 'a little' and do graphics as well because we're not going to
invest in a real designer.' I fitted the description perfectly.

Although the company still hasn't made up their minds as to
who exactly is going to redesign their new web site, I've just
gone ahead with it and presented them with a simple but
efficient plan. I carefully desgined to the lowest common
denominator (640x480, etc) and showed my immediate boss what
I had done. 'Why does that curve not go all the way down?'
he asked. I told him I had designed for 640 x 480 and it
would look perfect on that, slighly less than perfect on 800 x 600
or larger.

'Oh, you'll have to change that. The head of the company has a huge
monitor and he won't understand why he should adjust his browser.'

Aargh... you think you try and please the majority of people..
instead you have to comply to one man's huge monitor/small brain. ;-)

I was just wondering if anybody else had dealth with this problem
and what they did about it. Contact me and I'll give you
an URL if necessary.

thanks,

Caroline (Von B) van Oosten de Boer
http://www.gavinfriday.com/

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