Babble v1 155

babble-digest Thursday, January 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 155

In this issue:
Re: Deja Vu?
Re: babble-digest V1 #153
Old Posts Resurfacing
Re: Email Viruses
Re: babble-digest querie
Re: QuickWeb for speed...
TECH: Re: QuickWeb for speed...
Re: babble-digest querie
RE: Digital Cameras
JPEG Compression
Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables
Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables
Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables
Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables
RE: JPEG Compression
nn4.x and css
Netscape 3.0 Gold -Background Bug?
tech: cache flushing?

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:29:07 +0000
From: Paul Frost <paul@hpromo.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Deja Vu?

In message <3.0.3.32.19980121235918.0294b500@cen.com>, Porter
Glendinning <pglendinning@cen.com> writes
>Is something up with the list server, or are we getting these blasts from
>the past for fun?

oh yes. i think it's like, we're cramming or something. revision before
the big day so to speak.
we could start ranting about movado again..... giggle

"don't know about you but i am un chien andalusia"
Paul Frost Web Development
www.phw.co.uk Priority Healthcare Wearside
paul@hpromo.demon.co.uk Sunderland, UK
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:20:06 -0000
From: "Steve Hunt" <steve@tnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: babble-digest V1 #153

Hi,

I have got to be very careful how I word this, so If I get confused please
excuse me,

I have some logo's on my company's site relating to membership of
organisations etc... These companies want to link through from their sites
onto the page where the logo is held...

However,

The logo page is held within a frameset, see http://www.tnet.co.uk

and I was wondering if there is a particualr way of targeting the specific
page without losing my frameset....

possible?

stupid dumbass easy question?

Impossible?

any input would be appeciated....

cheers

steve hunt (spine...#)

design department
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 09:02:13 -0500
From: Kevin Travers <kwt@highfive.com>
Subject: Old Posts Resurfacing

It seems that a few old emails were reposted to the list. I'm not sure
why this happened, but I am looking into it. Just be sure you check dates
before replying to any posts, there were only a few.

thanks,

Kevin Travers
H I G H F I V E
http://www.highfive.com
kevin@highfive.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:26:17 -0600
From: Pat Flanagan <pfpd@pfpd.com>
Subject: Re: Email Viruses

>Subject: FW: WATCH OUT!
>> > For anyone using INTERNET mail:
>> > > > There is a virus out now being sent to people via email (ON
>> > THE
>> > > > INTERNET)...it is called the A.I.D.S. VIRUS.

etc. etc. etc.

I cannot understand why otherwise rational people will still believe this
CRAP. A virus must be contained in an executable file. In order to receive
a virus via email, the executable file must be attached to the email. In
order to activate the virus, you must run the executable file. Opening and
reading the email will not activate any viruses in attached files.

Solution? Virus-scan all attached files before running. But DON'T WORRY
about reading any emails. This is just the same old "Good Times" email
virus BS that spread around AOL years ago. Some dingdong gets a charge out
of spreading these rumors, scaring people who aren't knowledgeable about
these things. This falls into the "send a business card to Craig Shergold"
BS time-wasting urban legends file.

And no, I'm not the author of the virus trying to trick y'all. :D
____________________
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:46:19 -0400
From: Suzanne Lunny <slunny@monster.com>
Subject: Re: babble-digest querie

*****NEW QUESTION*******
Any body have any tips on how to maintain color integrity of graphics
across platforms?
A coworker is creating graphics in Photoshop, on a MAC, to be used w/in a
customized
application. Problem is the application is to run on Windows platform. He's
tried a number
of different things but the colors turn screwy when he runs the app. on a
PC. He finally just
created the graphics in Photoshop on a PC. But was this really necessary?
All ideas welcome!

- -------------------
Suzanne Lunny
Interactive Designer
508-875-4511 x 226
http://www.monster.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:55:04 -0500
From: Shelby <srogers@worldweb.net>
Subject: Re: QuickWeb for speed...

A reply to this same message from another list:

I saw this in operation at Internet World.

It converts all images to a heavily compressed JPEG with a proprietary
Q-table algorithm... it *DOES* compress files a lot.

However... it compresses all files, even solid color GIF's...
introducing heavy artifacts, tossing web-safe colors and actually making
the images LARGE in file size.

It also will compress JPEG's which have already been carefully
compressed by the designed... we all know what happens when you compress
a JPEG twice.

B i l l I r v i n e
Director Of Interactive Media
Wolf Mansfield Bolling Advertising
T h e W o l f G r o u p

shelby rogers/web diva/dc webgrrl/person.html

Whatever you can do or dream you can do, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Begin it now.
-Goethe
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:14:29 -0500
From: Andrew Zimmerman <zimmerma@hear.net>
Subject: TECH: Re: QuickWeb for speed...

What is not mentioned in that article is that image quality suffers if you
are using 16 bit or higher graphics viewed on a high resolution (800 *
600?) monitor.

Basically the program caches pages on the server end rather than on the
client's end. The content sits on the server in hopes it will be accessed
again.

I'm not holding my breath on this one. It certainly doesn't alleviate much
wait unless the client dumps its cache often. I don't know how ISPs like
this. Supposedly the app was tested for about 6 months to prove it didn't
degrade server performance.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:39:14 -0500
From: Andrew Zimmerman <zimmerma@hear.net>
Subject: Re: babble-digest querie

Suzanne Lunny wrote:

> *****NEW QUESTION*******
> Any body have any tips on how to maintain color integrity of graphics
> across platforms?

<snip>

You can either adjust the gamma setting in the Mac control panel or you can
have him use PNG.

If he changes the gamma setting he risks these problems:
1. alienates mac viewers who will see the images as more "washed out" in
general.
2. trying to accomodate wintel viewers in this manner cannot be guaranteed.
Most wintel viewers probably have their monitors set to a very high contrast
and brightness. I understand wintel monitors may not even have a uniform gamma
setting to begin with.

If he uses PNG he has the problem of nobody seeing the graphics at all. IIRC.
Miscommunicator 4.04 is the only browser that natively supports PNG at this
time (IE4 might but I am not positive one way or the other).

Personally, unless the images are vital to be seen in a specific manner I
wouldn't bother to accomodate wintel viewers beyonf changing the gamma setting
on the mac. Most people who have a clue realize images won't display uniformly
anyway, especially highly compressed images. Its a tradeoff I think that is
implicit for most people.

Once again I guess we wait for a standard to become widespread, in this case
PNG.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:21:07 -0800
From: "Anita Rowland (S&T Onsite)" <a-anitar@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Digital Cameras

I love my mavica, and use the images in my journal.

There is quite a bit of discussion of it on rec.photo.digital
(see deja news to catch up, look for sony or mavica).

here are a few links:
http://home.earthlink.net/~noeman3/mavica.htm
http://www.thinkzone.com/mavica/ -- good FAQ here.

Note that this camera is definitely in the consumer range;
the images are 640x480. But I like it for my purposes.

Anita Rowland mailto:anitar@halcyon.com
Home page -> http://www.halcyon.com/anitar/welcome.html
Anita's Book of Days -> http://www.halcyon.com/anitar/journal/
Seattle Cacophony Society -> http://www.halcyon.com/anitar/cacoph.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tari Akpodiete [SMTP:tari@sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:18 PM
> To: babble@highfive.com
> Subject: Digital Cameras/panorama software...
>
> I have an excellent digital still camera, a Sony Mavica, the MVC-FD7 to
> be specific, and I can't say enough good things about it. I did have the
> MVC-FD5 first, but the MVC-FD7 had so many more features that I picked
> it up.
>
> http://www.mavica.com/
> or
> http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/mavica/
>
> and direct URL to specs
>
> http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/mavica/specifications.html
>
> One of the things I like most about it is that you can shoot on a 3 1/2
> inch disk and then just pop it into your PC or Mac. No cables, no fuss,
> no muss.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:28:11 +0000
From: Counterfeit - DD <ddias@workstation.org.uk>
Subject: JPEG Compression

I find gaussian blurring areas of an image which aren't of principle
focus usually helps rather than blurring the whole lot.

I use ProJPEG - it seems to do the best job, and it's interactive
preview is useful even though the estimated file sizes are often way
out. Just experiment until you get the best results.

Emblaze's WebCharger apparently makes claim to be the best tool for this
- - has anyone checked it out?

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:37:06 -0000
From: PaulM@mhie.ac.uk (Paul Milne)
Subject: Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables

Tim Scarth writes:
>Netscape is messing up my finely crafted tables! For example, the page
>at
><http://www.tao.ca/~arbeiter/principles.html> looks like I want it to
>in IE
>4 (I don't know about IE 3 because I only have one computer on which to
>test my stuff), but is quite different in NN 3 and NN 4. I won't try to
>explain the problem in writing; I'm not sure that I could. Most of the
>pages at that site suffer from this problem, but as far as I can tell,
>the
>HTML is fine. I would really really appreciate it if someone who has
>both
>IE 4 and NN 3 or 4 would take a look and tell me what I've done wrong.
>It's
>driving me insane.

Tim, I've had a look at this page, and you're right, the Netscape
version is messing up.

It seems it isn't interpreting the first line of paragraph spacing
properly.

I'm not familiar with the <SPAN> tag, I assume this is what is giving
your paras
their generous vertical spacing? As the html is identical for both
browsers, I don't know
that you can actually do anything that wouldn't involve a completely
different
solution for Netscape, as is seems to be the interpretation of that tag
that is wonky.

Sorry this is only a confirmation, and not a solution.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:37:06 -0000
From: PaulM@mhie.ac.uk (Paul Milne)
Subject: Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:18:18 -0800
From: Christopher <chris@christopher.org>
Subject: RE: JPEG Compression

On Monday, January 19, 1998 1:28 AM, Counterfeit - DD wrote:
> Emblaze's WebCharger apparently makes claim to be the best tool for this
> - has anyone checked it out?

Yup, I love it!

Kinda pricey, tho... but worth it. I used it recently to bring the current H5 cover from over 80k to under the 40k limit.

WebCharger Evangelist,
Christopher Schmitt
new media designer
http://www.christopher.org/

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:44:25 -0600
From: egan jones <egan@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: nn4.x and css

Producers and Babblers-

I have been using CSS for a project involving NN4.x and recently noticed
that anchor links act funny when using positioning.

The symptom is that when I positioned a <span> or <div> with a link in it,
the link suddenly doesn't work any more. I did some searching, and it
turns out that the link IS actually there, but it is hiding, invisibly, in
the place it would normally be rendered on the screen without CSS. While
this makes some fun for hiding easter eggs, it sure takes away from the
functionality.

Our friend David Siegel has warned us that Netscape 4.x and CSS aren't a
perfect match, but ...

Anybody have experience with this? Know any workarounds? (other that not
using CSS-P.)

(A friend just noticed that if you place the <span> inside the <a> tags the
link works, but I am dealing with a block of text with several links in it,
so this is not a great solution.)

Thanks-
egan jones
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:55:32 -0800
From: Chuck West <webtamers@webtamers.com>
Subject: Netscape 3.0 Gold -Background Bug?

Dear Babblers,

Has anyone ever had a problem of Netscape 3.0 not loading backgrounds?
My customer can't see my backgrounds for some reason. The site uses frames,
and she is on Windows 3.1 This is quite annoying! I can't convince her to
install
a new browser. She's afraid of "messing up" her computer.

The URL is http://www.webtamers.com/harvesters/

The left panel should have a "Soil" texture, with a background of a faded
"harvest basket"
on the main page.

She say's she sees backgrounds on other sites, have I done something wrong
here?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chuck West
http://webtamers.com/
WebTamers Web Page Design
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:14:52 -0600
From: egan jones <egan@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: tech: cache flushing?

Producers and Babblers (again)-

Another problem I thought I'd run by you guys. The aformentioned project
(from "nn4.x and css" post) is a CD-ROM project running NNav 4.0x as the
front-end.

We deliver about 40 qt movies (3-18MB/ea) and are having problems with them
clogging the memory cache (get messages like "memory getting low, please
try quitting other applications and closing windows" after a few movies
have played, depending on amount of ram in system). We can't/don't want to
rely on the end-user to be savvy enough to do this. (error and warning
messages are never pretty either.)

This is more of a problem on Macs than on PCs (because Netscape's memory
management on Macs sucks), but definately a significant problem on both
platforms.

I have exhausted all the javascript and applescript possibilities (no way).

Does anyone out there familiar with Java know of a way (or even if there IS
a way) to dynamically flush the memory cache? (not the disk cache.) The
"detector" wouldn't really matter (flush after so many minutes, pages, or
megs, etc.) Our Java programmers haven't found a way to reliably do this.

Another possibility/avenue would be to "unload" and "load" the quicktime
plug-in (via java?).

I'm kinda grasping for straws here, but... any help or suggestions are welcome.

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