Babble v1 159

babble-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 159

In this issue:
Re: targeting frames
Embedded video in IE & NS
Re: targeting frames
Copyright
Re: Pre-caching HTML
Strange kind of redirect...
Background Bug?
Makin' PNGs
I have a particularly vexing problem

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:43:45 +0000
From: "colin robertson" <c.z.robertson@mail.ndirect.co.uk>
Subject: Re: targeting frames

On 24 Jan 98 at 1:00, babble-digest wrote:

(snip)
> To see a demo of this type of parsing check out the source of this page:
> http://www.serve.com/apg/babble/singleFrameset/frames.html
>
> The full demo is at:
> http://www.serve.com/apg/babble/singleFrameset/
>
> - - Porter
(snip)

Thanks for turning my post-midnight rambling into something that
actually works. I'm not an expert in these matters.

Surely I'm not the only person who sees the implications of this.
This technique could stop pages that should be in frames being viewed
on their own (when they are found in search engines, for example).
Every page could have some code that checks whether it is in the
frame and, if it isn't, replaces itself with the frame and calls the
appropriate pages. Is this possible?

colin

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:47:24 +1000
From: Caleb Fuller <email@calebfuller.com>
Subject: Embedded video in IE & NS

Hi all,

Four hours to possibly discover another strange defect...

I am making a page with an embedded quicktime video. All working fine in
Netscape, but in IE (3 for Mac) the embedded video refuses to display when
loading the page from local HDD. If loaded from my server, it seems to work
OK. VERY odd.
Anyone else seen problems like this? Check
http://www.calebfuller.com/test/movietest.html for an example - this doesn't
work if I open it from my HDD...
Also I've noticed that IE is ignoring the HSPACE and VSPACE tags, which is
a problem as in the final version the video should be perfectly centered in a
pop up window of 320x240, which aligns with a background image. Suggestions?

Caleb Fuller
analog creation | for the digital world
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:51:22 +0800
From: Gary Sweeting <gary@neuronet.com.my>
Subject: Re: targeting frames

Hello Colin,

>Every page could have some code that checks whether it is in the
>frame and, if it isn't, replaces itself with the frame and calls the
>appropriate pages. Is this possible?

The MS site does this quite effectively, an easier way is to identify if
they are in a frameset or not, if not, then redirect them to one URL
(splash page). Easier for the coder that is - but it forces the browser to
go through the site looking for the correct page (which shouldn't be that
difficult - hopefully).

Insert this in the head.

and in the Body tag, include <BODY onLoad="frameTest()">

HTHs

Gary.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:16:03 +0800
From: Gary Sweeting <gary@neuronet.com.my>
Subject: Copyright

I was just looking at Bestia's site and the item on copyright reminded that
I wanted to raise this.

If you pop over to:
http://www.heaven.com.my/channelx/freebies/cny/sendcard.html

You'll come to a quaint little send@card page, we did this last year for
the combined Chinese New Year and Hari Raya festival (by the way - Gong Xi
Raya to y'all). Now, over here, some company has release the first set-top
box (a combination of the Spyglass browser, and philips technology) and
ofcourse they have their own homepage.

http://www.myweb.com.my/main.html

The thing is, on their 'main' page - you see our two little creations in
all their glory. Now these were generated by one of our designers, based
not on any stereotype, and so the blatant pinching is clear to all. So of
course, the guys ask me what I'm going to do. Me?! To get them to remove it
is fine - but by the time they do, the holidays are over - the schooling in
me somehow demands retribution (not monetary - I wouldn't see it) a public
slap of the hand perhaps. A screen capture .. mm, now that's an idea. Do
any of you have any inventive solutions? The more wicked the more wonderful
:).

Ah, nothing beats the spirit of Chinese New Year.<g>..

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:53:40 -0800
From: Ben Curtis <quixote@wenet.net>
Subject: Re: Pre-caching HTML

Babblonians-

In an earlier post I demonstrated a way to have a page carry its own frameset
around with it, instead of in a separate document. The version I previously
posted had an error that made IE3 unable to use it. This error (as far as I
can tell) has been fixed so that all JavaScript-enabled browsers can use this code.

http://www.wenet.net/~quixote/babble/reloader.html

It is based on a concept by Porter to pre-cache HTML. This additional code
also allows for:
1) single-document frame-based sites
2) easy bookmarking within frame-based sites, since each new page is a new
frameset, and
3) with a browser-sensor installed, it could be used for conditionally setting
margins in N2 and N3 (which don't recognize margin-setting in the <BODY> tag
but do in the <FRAME> tag), thus providing for true cross-platform margin-setting.

I hope this helps some folks out there. I've already found it useful on three
occassions since last week!

Please send bug reports to my address below. Gracias.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:36:59 +1100
From: Richard McLean <vorple@n130.aone.net.au>
Subject: Strange kind of redirect...

OK, this one has me stumped...

I'm setting up a site with an on-line catalogue and shopping cart system
and have run into something that will (I'm sure) become a future problem.

The shopping cart system requires that the shopper go through a page that
assigns them a shopping cart ID, which is then with them for the rest of
that shopping session.

Does anyone know of a way that I can check if someone has gone through this
page when they call up a product page, and automatically redirect them to
the ID page and then back to the product ?

I'd like to be able to do this so that people using search engines, and
looking for a particular product, can use the site easily.

kind regards,
Richard McLean

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:38:40 -0500
From: Marc Parent <marc@desedge.com>
Subject: Background Bug?

<<I
encountered occasional problems with this a long while back, and decided
that I would ALWAYS follow the 8.3 naming convention, and use all lowercase
letters. Haven't had any problems since.>>

I do the same,
since i had this problem a while back specifically/only with background images
that don't follow the 8.3 naming convention. Interesting...

Marc

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:24:57 -0800
From: Christopher <chris@christopher.org>
Subject: Makin' PNGs

I have a need to make some PNG graphics. Is there a solid/correct/excellent
way to make PNG graphics with the aplha channel included? I know I can save
it in PhotoShop, but I believe Adobe's PNG capabilities are substandard.

Thanks,
Christopher Schmitt
new media designer
http://www.christopher.org/

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:34:15 -0600
From: "Damien M. Jones" <dmj@fractalus.com>
Subject: I have a particularly vexing problem

I've got a little problem. And it's driving me nuts. The site I'm having
a problem with is here:

http://www.fractalus.com/

This page is an entrance page, with two graphic images; one large, one
small. Both link to the main page of the site, and I'm using Porter's
pre-loader status bar at the bottom. All seems to work fine, except for
one problem: nine times out of ten, if I click the large image in IE4, my
*entire Win95 system* locks up, requiring a reboot.

It does not do this on other machines, as far as I can tell. It does not
do this with Netscape browsers. I tried removing the JavaScript, totally;
no help. Suspecting a corrupt DLL, I re-installed IE4. Also no help. I
have just spent an entire day preparing a virgin system, on which IE4 has
been installed--virtually nothing is on this system but IE4. It still
locks up. Doesn't do this with other IE4 setups here.

Does anybody have a clue what is going on here? Am I just cursed? Did I
piss off a Microsoft employee in a previous life or something? :) Any help
would be enormously appreciated.

Damien M. Jones \\
dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
\\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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