Babble v1 160

babble-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 160

In this issue:
MSIE and HSPACE (was: embedded video)
Web Site Methods
Re: babble-digest V1 #159
Re: babble-digest V1 #159

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:21:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeffrey Zeldman <jeffrey@zeldman.com>
Subject: MSIE and HSPACE (was: embedded video)

Caleb Fuller <email@calebfuller.com> wrote:

>Also I've noticed that IE is ignoring the HSPACE and VSPACE tags, which is
> a problem as in the final version the video should be perfectly centered in a
> pop up window of 320x240, which aligns with a background image. Suggestions?

this is a defect in explorer. it adds horizontal space around images and
other objects, whether you want it or not.

for example, try setting hspace=1. it won't work.

unfortunately, ms did not fix this in ie4; they apparently consider it a
feature, rather than a bug.

all you can do is what we always do: alter your design, compromise, try
alternatives, view in different browsers, and accept a certain level of
imprecision that comes with the turf.

jeffrey

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:44:08 EST
From: TheGilster <TheGilster@aol.com>
Subject: Web Site Methods

Dear Babblers,
I have just undergone a new business plan for my company and I would like
to change my method of web site production. Beside the Verso method, I would
appreciate hearing about your methods of site production or you could provide
me a link to your company's website that describes your process.
Thanks again,
Gil Kruger
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:09:15 -0600
From: vince burkhead <vince@icon-stl.net>
Subject: Re: babble-digest V1 #159

>babble-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 159
>
>
>
> In this issue:
> Re: targeting frames
> Embedded video in IE & NS
> Re: targeting frames
> Copyright
> Re: Pre-caching HTML
> Strange kind of redirect...
> Background Bug?
> Makin' PNGs
> I have a particularly vexing problem
>
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>
>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:43:45 +0000
>From: "colin robertson" <c.z.robertson@mail.ndirect.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: targeting frames
>
>On 24 Jan 98 at 1:00, babble-digest wrote:
>
>(snip)
>> To see a demo of this type of parsing check out the source of this page:
>> http://www.serve.com/apg/babble/singleFrameset/frames.html
>>
>> The full demo is at:
>> http://www.serve.com/apg/babble/singleFrameset/
>>
>> - - Porter
>(snip)
>
>Thanks for turning my post-midnight rambling into something that
>actually works. I'm not an expert in these matters.
>
>Surely I'm not the only person who sees the implications of this.
>This technique could stop pages that should be in frames being viewed
>on their own (when they are found in search engines, for example).
>Every page could have some code that checks whether it is in the
>frame and, if it isn't, replaces itself with the frame and calls the
>appropriate pages. Is this possible?
>
>colin
>
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>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:47:24 +1000
>From: Caleb Fuller <email@calebfuller.com>
>Subject: Embedded video in IE & NS
>
>Hi all,
>
>Four hours to possibly discover another strange defect...
>
>I am making a page with an embedded quicktime video. All working fine in
>Netscape, but in IE (3 for Mac) the embedded video refuses to display when
>loading the page from local HDD. If loaded from my server, it seems to work
>OK. VERY odd.
> Anyone else seen problems like this? Check
>http://www.calebfuller.com/test/movietest.html for an example - this doesn't
>work if I open it from my HDD...
> Also I've noticed that IE is ignoring the HSPACE and VSPACE tags, which is
>a problem as in the final version the video should be perfectly centered in a
>pop up window of 320x240, which aligns with a background image. Suggestions?
>
>Caleb Fuller
>analog creation | for the digital world
>email@calebfuller.com
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>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:51:22 +0800
>From: Gary Sweeting <gary@neuronet.com.my>
>Subject: Re: targeting frames
>
>Hello Colin,
>
>>Every page could have some code that checks whether it is in the
>>frame and, if it isn't, replaces itself with the frame and calls the
>>appropriate pages. Is this possible?
>
>The MS site does this quite effectively, an easier way is to identify if
>they are in a frameset or not, if not, then redirect them to one URL
>(splash page). Easier for the coder that is - but it forces the browser to
>go through the site looking for the correct page (which shouldn't be that
>difficult - hopefully).
>
>Insert this in the head.
>
><script LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
>
></script>
>
>
>and in the Body tag, include <BODY onLoad="frameTest()">
>
>HTHs
>
>Gary.
>
>
>
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>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:16:03 +0800
>From: Gary Sweeting <gary@neuronet.com.my>
>Subject: Copyright
>
>I was just looking at Bestia's site and the item on copyright reminded that
>I wanted to raise this.
>
>If you pop over to:
>http://www.heaven.com.my/channelx/freebies/cny/sendcard.html
>
>You'll come to a quaint little send@card page, we did this last year for
>the combined Chinese New Year and Hari Raya festival (by the way - Gong Xi
>Raya to y'all). Now, over here, some company has release the first set-top
>box (a combination of the Spyglass browser, and philips technology) and
>ofcourse they have their own homepage.
>
>http://www.myweb.com.my/main.html
>
>The thing is, on their 'main' page - you see our two little creations in
>all their glory. Now these were generated by one of our designers, based
>not on any stereotype, and so the blatant pinching is clear to all. So of
>course, the guys ask me what I'm going to do. Me?! To get them to remove it
>is fine - but by the time they do, the holidays are over - the schooling in
>me somehow demands retribution (not monetary - I wouldn't see it) a public
>slap of the hand perhaps. A screen capture .. mm, now that's an idea. Do
>any of you have any inventive solutions? The more wicked the more wonderful
>:).
>
>Ah, nothing beats the spirit of Chinese New Year.<g>..
>
>G.
>
>
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>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:53:40 -0800
>From: Ben Curtis <quixote@wenet.net>
>Subject: Re: Pre-caching HTML
>
>Babblonians-
>
>In an earlier post I demonstrated a way to have a page carry its own frameset
>around with it, instead of in a separate document. The version I previously
>posted had an error that made IE3 unable to use it. This error (as far as I
>can tell) has been fixed so that all JavaScript-enabled browsers can use
>this code.
>
>http://www.wenet.net/~quixote/babble/reloader.html
>
>It is based on a concept by Porter to pre-cache HTML. This additional code
>also allows for:
>1) single-document frame-based sites
>2) easy bookmarking within frame-based sites, since each new page is a new
>frameset, and
>3) with a browser-sensor installed, it could be used for conditionally setting
>margins in N2 and N3 (which don't recognize margin-setting in the <BODY> tag
>but do in the <FRAME> tag), thus providing for true cross-platform
>margin-setting.
>
>I hope this helps some folks out there. I've already found it useful on three
>occassions since last week!
>
> Please send bug reports to my address below. Gracias.
>
> ~~
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>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:36:59 +1100
>From: Richard McLean <vorple@n130.aone.net.au>
>Subject: Strange kind of redirect...
>
>OK, this one has me stumped...
>
>I'm setting up a site with an on-line catalogue and shopping cart system
>and have run into something that will (I'm sure) become a future problem.
>
>The shopping cart system requires that the shopper go through a page that
>assigns them a shopping cart ID, which is then with them for the rest of
>that shopping session.
>
>Does anyone know of a way that I can check if someone has gone through this
>page when they call up a product page, and automatically redirect them to
>the ID page and then back to the product ?
>
>I'd like to be able to do this so that people using search engines, and
>looking for a particular product, can use the site easily.
>
>
>kind regards,
>Richard McLean
>
> Life would be so much easier with a soundtrack.
>
>
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>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:38:40 -0500
>From: Marc Parent <marc@desedge.com>
>Subject: Background Bug?
>
><<I
>encountered occasional problems with this a long while back, and decided
>that I would ALWAYS follow the 8.3 naming convention, and use all lowercase
>letters. Haven't had any problems since.>>
>
>I do the same,
>since i had this problem a while back specifically/only with background images
>that don't follow the 8.3 naming convention. Interesting...
>
>Marc
>
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>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:24:57 -0800
>From: Christopher <chris@christopher.org>
>Subject: Makin' PNGs
>
>I have a need to make some PNG graphics. Is there a solid/correct/excellent
>way to make PNG graphics with the aplha channel included? I know I can save
>it in PhotoShop, but I believe Adobe's PNG capabilities are substandard.
>
>Thanks,
>Christopher Schmitt
> new media designer
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>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:34:15 -0600
>From: "Damien M. Jones" <dmj@fractalus.com>
>Subject: I have a particularly vexing problem
>
>I've got a little problem. And it's driving me nuts. The site I'm having
>a problem with is here:
>
> http://www.fractalus.com/
>
>This page is an entrance page, with two graphic images; one large, one
>small. Both link to the main page of the site, and I'm using Porter's
>pre-loader status bar at the bottom. All seems to work fine, except for
>one problem: nine times out of ten, if I click the large image in IE4, my
>*entire Win95 system* locks up, requiring a reboot.
>
>It does not do this on other machines, as far as I can tell. It does not
>do this with Netscape browsers. I tried removing the JavaScript, totally;
>no help. Suspecting a corrupt DLL, I re-installed IE4. Also no help. I
>have just spent an entire day preparing a virgin system, on which IE4 has
>been installed--virtually nothing is on this system but IE4. It still
>locks up. Doesn't do this with other IE4 setups here.
>
>Does anybody have a clue what is going on here? Am I just cursed? Did I
>piss off a Microsoft employee in a previous life or something? :) Any help
>would be enormously appreciated.
>
>Damien M. Jones \\
>dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs)
> \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

Damien,

Avoid the problem altogether and use the nifty "refresh" HTML meta tag:

Content=15 is the time elapsed, (15 seconds in this case). Use 25 or 30
seconds before going to the main page since you are preloading graphics.
The best part is that it is mouse-free! The user doesn't have to click at
all. I am using this as a tour function for my photo montage work. enjoy.

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