Babble v1 84

babble-digest Thursday, December 18 1997 Volume 01 : Number 084

In this issue:
A good use of rollover
Yr site
DeBabelizer
Re: Site Garage
Browser compatability...
H5 REVIEW: No gramar this time, I promise.
Re: Browser compatability...
Rollovers?..no more!! Ok, maybe a li'l
ADMIN

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:49:48 -0800
From: Kevin Cheng <kevin@fire.osl.com>
Subject: A good use of rollover

An excellent thread with good points from both camps. Someone posted a
"definitive" example of a mouseover which I felt was not particularly
out of the ordinary. For the most part, people are discussing use of
mouseovers for menu highlights.

Another poster mentioned a previous H5 winner, Honda, and its non-menu
use of rollovers.

I just wanted to mention another H5 winner, http://www.thisgirl.com ,
that uses mouseovers in a quiet, non-menu way. Its use adds to the site
but is not a mandatory feature to enjoy the site. Check it out.

Kevin Cheng
# illusion designs
..H5 Babble Design List Info: http://www.highfive.com/h5/babble.html
..To unsubscribe, send following one line to majordomo@highfive.com:
.."unsubscribe <babble or babble-digest> [<e-mail address>]"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:58:39 -0800
From: "@.@.mmmmm" <adelski@instinct.net>
Subject: Yr site

Hi Rayan,
Congratulations for a very fine site ( http://www.graceland.edu/~rcarver ).
Just one little thing: fonts are so small in hi-res.
________________________Adel

..H5 Babble Design List Info: http://www.highfive.com/h5/babble.html
..To unsubscribe, send following one line to majordomo@highfive.com:
.."unsubscribe <babble or babble-digest> [<e-mail address>]"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:47:52 -0500
From: Marc Parent <marc@desedge.com>
Subject: DeBabelizer

>The easiest solution is to get a hold of Debabilizer and use it to index
>your images. It won't shift the colors like Photoshop does and it has some
>nifty scripting capabilities.

This is true but i get larger gifs with DeBabelizer.
For example with a very large image i got 50k with Photoshop 4
and 55k with DeBabelizer Pro 4.5 using the same settings.

Marc

___________________________________________________________
..H5 Babble Design List Info: http://www.highfive.com/h5/babble.html
..To unsubscribe, send following one line to majordomo@highfive.com:
.."unsubscribe <babble or babble-digest> [<e-mail address>]"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:06:47 -0600
From: Adam Strong <adam@cityscape.net>
Subject: Re: Site Garage

Try running their site through the garage!

I believe the saying goes "Cobblers kids have no shoes".
or the mechanic drives a beater car.
and in this case a website garage doesn't exactly meet all the top
ratings, but not too bad.

Great Resource!!

a
..H5 Babble Design List Info: http://www.highfive.com/h5/babble.html
..To unsubscribe, send following one line to majordomo@highfive.com:
.."unsubscribe <babble or babble-digest> [<e-mail address>]"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:43:31 -0500
From: Dana Adams <dana@studiowerks.com>
Subject: Browser compatability...

(sorry if this is a repeat - my mailer got bunged up)

I've designed a site for my daughter's 1-2-3 class featuring water color
paintings of various dinosaurs (a-z almost)

http://www.studiowerks.com/ues/dinoweb.htm

I tested it on a PC NC 4.0 & MSIE 3.0 -- The problem is when I went to
the school to test on the Macs they have using NN 2.02 & 3.0 the
table/image morticing falls apart completely.

Is there a kind soul out there who's implemented tables of this type on
these browsers that could look at the site and tell me what is wrong
with my table implementation? Is it possible to do tables for these
various browsers and have them all work from a single HTML source?

This isn't bleeding edge CSS or DHTML -- I thought this was basic stuff
but I'm having a hell of a time understanding the engineering flaw and
would appreciate any help you folks could offer...

AtDhVaAnNkCsE

Dana

- --

jekyl \ National Life of Vermont \ mailto:adams_dana@nlvmail.com \
http://www.nlv.com
hyde \ s t u d i o w e r k s \ mailto:dana@studiowerks.com \
http://www.studiowerks.com

a do do do, a da da da, that's all i want to say to you...
..H5 Babble Design List Info: http://www.highfive.com/h5/babble.html
..To unsubscribe, send following one line to majordomo@highfive.com:
.."unsubscribe <babble or babble-digest> [<e-mail address>]"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:43:08 -0500
From: Porter Glendinning <pglendinning@cen.com>
Subject: H5 REVIEW: No gramar this time, I promise.

I have a couple of questions to pose to you all about this week's H5
Review, but before I do, an item from the top of my Christmas wish list:

If you'd like to reply to this post to the group, please remove my address
from the To: field, and bump the Babble address up from the CC: to the To:
field. I'm glad that people are responding, but there's no sense in me
getting the email twice.

(Chris: Is there a reason that the Reply-To: address in all the posts is
the sender, other than to cut back on accidental replies being posted to
the list? I, personally, want to reply to the list more often than just the
author.)

That said, what do you all think of the navigational system in the Kenneth
Cole site? This is the second time (Braun last week, now Ken Cole this
week) that I have been confused by a site presenting a list of section
links next to a list of descriptions that looks like another list of
sections. (Yeah, that was a clear sentence.) That is to say, I looked at
the Ken Cole core page and thought, "OK, ten different sections. CLICK.
CLICK. CLICK. Hmmm... Oh, only five sections. I get it."

Also, why do all the "Home" buttons throughout the site take you back to
the splash page? I mean, I dig the chick's legs as much as the next guy,
but I really want to be at the core page. (My apologies to all the female
members of the opposite sex for that rude and crass remark. It just sort of
slipped out.)

Another question I have is in regards to the catalog frameset that was
mentioned in the Review:

"Framed navigation places products in the top half of the
screen while the lower area is reserved for the Shopping
Bag, a tabled listing of your current purchases. While it
makes it very easy to keep track of your shopping record,
it limits the space available for displaying each item."

Takes up too much space, huh? Just resize the frame then. Yes, that's right
- -- resizeable frames. Haven't seen those in a while. I don't know if I like
it or not... It's kinda nice to be able to shrink the frame beyond the size
it was designed to be, but is this good design practice? I need to think
about it some more. What do you think?

One thing they can definitely lose, however, is the frame borders. If the
transition from a black background to a white one isn't strong enough to
hold it's own as a border, I don't know what is.

Just some thoughts...
- - Porter

- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Porter Glendinning pglendinning@cen.com
WWW Developer http://www.serve.com/apg

..H5 Babble Design List Info: http://www.highfive.com/h5/babble.html
..To unsubscribe, send following one line to majordomo@highfive.com:
.."unsubscribe <babble or babble-digest> [<e-mail address>]"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:42:46 -0500
From: Porter Glendinning <pglendinning@cen.com>
Subject: Re: Browser compatability...

At 09:43 PM 12/17/97 -0500, Dana Adams wrote:
[snip]
>http://www.studiowerks.com/ues/dinoweb.htm
>
>I tested it on a PC NC 4.0 & MSIE 3.0 -- The problem is when I went to
>the school to test on the Macs they have using NN 2.02 & 3.0 the
>table/image morticing falls apart completely.
[snip]

Dana,

I think I've found your problem. In the second column of your table, in the
cell containing the watercolor images, you need <BR> tags between the three
images. Netscape 2 & 3 don't see any <BR>s or spaces between the image and
run them right next to each other, instead of on top of each other as you
intended. It's interesting that NS 2&3 ignore the WIDTH attribute you set
in the TABLE tag. Anyone know when NS added support for the TABLE WIDTH
attribute?

- - Porter

P.S. I tested this out in Netscape 3.01Gold for WinNT and it worked fine.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:51:26 EST
From: StreetOmNi <StreetOmNi@aol.com>
Subject: Rollovers?..no more!! Ok, maybe a li'l

Whats all the talk about rollovers?....I thought those were old news...I mean,
I know that theyre a very cool technique, heck, I even use 'em in my site, but
what about other design issues?...dhtml, style sheets? Anyone know any REALLY
easy dhtml tutorial site for raw-beginners?...lets not just stop the cool
design discussion with rollovers !! Ok..last thing, if you guys wanna see a
REALLY funny animated gif, go to I forgot what site I picked it up from, but
its funny as hay:
<http://members.aol.com/streetomni/omni/images/haha.gif>
Toren
- --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==
OmNistreet - free email newsletter for web surfers of all levels.
Topics include: Omnitics, Omnication, Omnusement, Omnihtml,
Omnificant web sites, and other Omnillaneous topics.
<http://users.aol.com/streetomni/omni>
..H5 Babble Design List Info: http://www.highfive.com/h5/babble.html
..To unsubscribe, send following one line to majordomo@highfive.com:
.."unsubscribe <babble or babble-digest> [<e-mail address>]"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:31:43 -0800
From: Christopher <chris@christopher.org>
Subject: ADMIN

Just a quick note:

I will be leaving the High Five position and its responsibilities in about
two week's time. Since part of my H5 duties is to maintain this list, I
feel that I must warn you that there will be some slight transition
problems . . . and possibly a change in list administrator's style of
maintaining Babble.

Oh, if you would like this job, please go to the high Five job board and
read the listing at: http://www.highfive.com/h5/jobs.html. Good luck!

Regards,
Christopher "unemployed bum" Schmitt
http://www.highfive.com/
415.278.9900 ext. 38
mailto:chris@christopher.org
"Oh, waiter. This conversation isn't very good."

..H5 Babble Design List Info: http://www.highfive.com/h5/babble.html
..To unsubscribe, send following one line to majordomo@highfive.com:
.."unsubscribe <babble or babble-digest> [<e-mail address>]"

------------------------------

End of babble-digest V1 #84
***************************

Previous | ToC | Next