Posted by Cecilia on November 20, 1997 at 15:59:58:
In Reply to: Re: Santino vs. Armand posted by Heather on November 20, 1997 at 01:52:10:
: All right Children...
Oh no! The second in command here!
: Nobody won the game...
: There was no game...
: There never was a competition...
But they were playing, I read it!
: You both have got it in your heads that Santino and Armand are the two most deceitful vampires to ever prowl the face of the earth...
: You actually think that they had this grudge match going for 500 years?
No, but when they had it Armand won, I'm sure.
: Santino:
: Santino was a fledling vampire when he developed the first coven...He still thought like a human when this happened hell bent on revenge... In his grief he made up a coven where a group of vampires can live together peacably without the threat of another vampire destroying them...They of course, had to have rules and Santino had a vision one night that vampires were of the devil...So he went with that...Like I said before, Santino was a fledgling...He hadn't even lived a century yet...Knowledge takes time...
For some people it takes forever, though (smiling widely)
: Santino didn't kill Armand because Armand was an impressionable young fledgling who could easily learn and obey the laws of the coven...It wasn't to ruin Armand or Marius...Covens are always looking for new followers...
I agree
: Years later Santino lost his faith in everything he had worked so hard to accomplish...Doesn't neccesarily mean Mael or anyone else was after him...Doesn't even mean that someone convinced him that his ways were wrong..He just had a revelation that everything he'd been doing was based on a lie...The same thing can happen to a mortal...
: So Santino abandoned his coven...For the very simple reason of the fact that he didn't want to confront his children...He didn't want to have to tell them that everything he'd been teaching them for 600 years was a lie...
Very comfortable for him I think. Of course, he went travelling with Eric and poor Armand was not anymore with Marius.
: Santino made a mistake...That's all..He regrets it now as would any mortal who made a drastic mistake...
LP here says Santino doesn't regret anything. But I must believe you, or you will take my beer from me.
: Armand is a different story...He has to be deceitful...Can you blame him?
Of course not. And I don't think he is deceitful. That are LP and you here.
He has the face and body of a 17 year old boy....He has had a shitty life with nothing but bad luck...He feels that everyone he has ever loved or cared about has betrayed him...So he uses whatever means he can to get someone to love him...
I understand him perfectly.
Yes...Even Louis...And Yes, Louis loved Armand...And Louis was attracted to Armand or he wouldn't have let his guard down when Claudia was destroyed...He wouldn't have left with Armand instead of Lestat...And don't give me that crap that Louis thought that Lestat was dead...Louis went into every room of that theatre when he was destroying it and he didn't see Lestat...He knows he didn't kill Lestat...He just uses that for an excuse so he can leave with Armand...Denial perhaps..Call it what you will...
I'm not sure. He has a strange way of loving. He was cold with Armand.
: All in all..IT's very simple...Not complicated at all...I felt while reading your arguments that I was reading stereo instructions...Santino isn't evil...Armand isn't evil, though, he'd like to think he is...They were once human being like you or me who were given the dark gift...May I ask what you would do if the same happened to you?
You are making this hard for me dear (smile). I would never be companions with someone just to despise him. I can understand Armand. The one I don't like is Santino (sorry, I know you like him)
: Vampires are not gods...They are flesh and blood...They think...They feel...They long...They suffer an enternity of lonliness...
: They do what they have to in order to survive...
: That's why Armand and Lestat are my favorites...
: And that's also why I admire Santino so much...They all survive no matter what they have experienced in their lives...They survive...
Agreed.
: Everyone makes Santino out to be the bad guy...Why? Because he made a few mistakes?
Few mistakes. There is not such thing as a half hole, there is only a hole. And Santino took love from Armand. That is what I cannot understand.
: He learned from them and has moved on...So has Armand...There is no game...If there ever was, it was finished a long time ago...
I like this last thing you have said. And since we all agree that Armand won the game (sorry, been discussing this too long I think).
Cecilia