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- >Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:11:50 +0200
- >From: jmcs
- >Subject: Answering...
- >
- >Hi everybody,
- >
- >It s been a long time since my last letter. This is my last year at the
- >University and I m having much trouble concentrating. It s almost
- >examinations time and the stress and fear is heavier than ever. But I ve
- >been here all the time, reading all your posts.
- >
- >
- >What can I say? Life sometimes is more a burden than a gift. Robbie s case
- >really affected me a lot. I m 24 now and not so long ago, as almost every
- >teenager with growing pains, suffered of self-destructing thoughts.
- >Fortunately, they were fleeting thoughts and they never stayed long enough
- >to pay them much attention. I always managed to find a reason to live: the
- >next Academy Awards, next week s Star Trek episode (I m a trekkie too), pray
- >that Real Madrid is the winner of the Spanish football league... I agree
- >these are not the usual reasons not to kill oneself but they were all I
- >could think of since there were few joys in my life.
- >
- >It s not that my life has improved since then, quite the opposite in many
- >aspects, but I no longer think about death. I know I ll die sometime, that s
- >enough.
- >
- >What broke my heart apart was that Robbie took that terrible step. It was
- >not his homosexuality what killed him, it was that he couldn t live with
- >himself. That s the main problem many adolescents suffer when they end their
- >lives. They can t accept themselves as they are. "I m fat and my peers taunt
- >me" "I m small, I can t play basket and girls laugh at me", "I ve had bad
- >grades and my parents will kill me", "I don t love myself, therefore I ll
- >never find love anywhere else". The point is, "I can t accept myself as I am".
- >
- >As a girl (yes, another one :)) I ve had the usual problems regarding my
- >sex, plus a few others that I couldn t understand at the time that made my
- >life a living hell. I was an only child, introverted, shy like hell. I was a
- >spoilt child that wanted more than anything find many and good friends at
- >school. Well, it certainly wasn t like that at all. From day 1 I was the
- >clown of my class. I don t know why, I thought I was like everybody else,
- >but it turned out I was not. They laughed at my hair, at my name, at
- >everything. I was 5 years old and it was really traumatic, the world my
- >parents told me about wasn t fair: "If you re good and never hurt anyone, no
- >one will hurt you and you ll make many friends". It wasn t true. People hurt
- >you, no matter if you re 'good' or not.
- >Year after year and things never got better. I changed school several times
- >because we moved house and every single time I tried to be like everybody
- >else (whatever that was) and every single time I ended up like the fool of
- >the class sooner or later. The reason? Beats me.
- >
- >Today, the reason became clear: I was different. What was different about me
- >is beyond my deepest musings. I was quiet and difficult to reach (more and
- >more because of my many disappointments) but if somebody wanted to know me
- >only had to make the first move and I was as funny and 'normal' as the next
- one.
- >When I was 13 or so things changed, I got a few spare kilograms and that
- >became a new motto for more taunts. Oh well, nobody s perfect.
- >
- >I even suffered a couple of beatings but that s behind me now. I m an adult
- >person (not quite, thank God) and I can tell you about my life with a
- >certain detachment and irony. Because that s the side effect of all of this.
- >You became hardhearted, you built an armor around you so nobody will hurt
- >you. That armor thickens with every insult, it becames so thick that you die
- >inside.
- >Sometimes I surprise myself at how much I ve changed. I m ironic to the
- >caustic point, I laughed at almost everything (including myself, which is
- >good), I expect nothing good out of life. Life has hardened me.
- >
- >But sometimes there are surprises, good ones for a change, like 'Beautiful
- >Thing'. I always loved movies. They provided me of the good things mankind
- >still has to offer. That silly sense of hope that stubbornly refuses to die
- >inside you. I certainly expect nothing out of life, except the almost
- >certainty that Real Madrid will be Champion in June, that Mr. Spock will be
- >logical forever and that movies are still there, giving me the hope the real
- >world is incapable of. Am I being ironical? I don t know anymore.
- >
- >I still have much to say, but since I m a chatterbox, that s not surprising;
- >besides, I don t want to bore you.
- >
- >Thank you for listening/reading this, if you re still conscious :)
- >
- >
- >Now, the good things I had in store but I couldn t say because of my studies:
- >
- >BT was released on video here last month. The movie is dubbed to Spanish, of
- >course, but if you use to the first moment s impression, they re still Jamie
- >and Ste, talking really funny, but still them.
- >
- >To all my American friends: ONE DAY LEFT!! Hours counting... 23:12:11..
- >23:12:10... 23:12:09...
- >
- >To David, I m devastated!! My PC is so poor that my browser doesn t support
- >frames. I can t see the 'new' site!!! Besides, my knowledge of computers is
- >nonexistent...
- >
- >
- >I hope all of you are OK. Take care of yourselves.
- >
- >
- >Sandra.
- >
- >
- >From: David
- >Subject: Re: Answering...
- >Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:46:51 +0100
- >
- >Sandra wrote...
- >
- >"To David, I m devastated!! My PC is so poor that my browser doesn t support
- >frames. I can t see the 'new' site!!! Besides, my knowledge of computers is
- >nonexistent..."
- >
- >Just for you Sandra - I've added code to allow non-frames browsers to see
- the welcome page.
- >
- >If you have problems with that you can still view the site without frames...
- >
- >
- >Use the Back button on our browser to move back to the Contents page when
- you need it, or else open it in a separate window.
- >
- >Regards, Davie
- >
- >Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:58:00 +0200
- >From: jmcs
- >Subject: Thank yous..
- >
- >Hello again,
- >
- >Even though I have my first exam this Saturday (Gulp!) I ve decided to take
- >it easy for a while and relax, if I can.
- >Todd, thank you for your encouragement (I need it, believe me) and for the
- >addresses.
- >
- >To David, thank you for giving me the chance to see the 'new' site. I ve
- >only caught a glimpse at it, but I ll be back.
- >
- >BTW, there s something I forgot to say yesterday. It s rather silly you
- >know, the Spanish video release of BT has altered the format of the film so
- >that we can see a few bloopers (is that the correct term?). There are mikes
- >almost everywhere (most of them at the bottom of the screen) which ruins the
- >view sometimes. And I ve spotted a couple of continuity errors, both of them
- >about feet. The first occurs when Jamie goes to the terrace to join his
- >mother, Tony, Leah and Ste and sits next to him, well, he s wearing his
- >trainers and if you remember, when Jamie sees Ste in the bathroom he s
- >barefoot and after that, when he fights with his mum, he s barefoot again.
- >The second one is after Sandra s confrontation with Jamie after his return
- >from the Gloucester, well, Tony goes out to comfort her and we see clearly
- >he s wearing brown socks and when they all help Leah down the railings he s
- >barefoot.
- >
- >
- >See ya.
- >
- >
- >Sandra.
- >
- >
- >Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:59:02 +0200
- >From: Chik
- >Subject: List of members
- >
- >Hi David,
- >
- >Can I somehow get a list of all people who subscribed this
- >Mailing-list???
- >
- > Michael
- >
- >From: David
- >Subject: Re: List of members
- >Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 06:55:30 +0100
- >
- >Hi Michael,
- >
- >> Can I somehow get a list of all people who subscribed this
- >> Mailing-list???
- >
- >Sorry, no. I keep the list absolutely confidential. Even I don't know
- everyone that subscribes since the mail server handles subscribe requests
- automatically.
- >
- >Regards, Davie
- >
- >From: David
- >Subject: Guestbook & Homepages suffering from server problems
- >Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 07:19:58 +0100
- >
- >Tory brought to my attention that the site where the interactive CGI/PERL
- pages live isn't responding properly.
- >
- >Having checked it out I can get some pages off the server, but mostly the
- server times out. It doesn't appear to be routing because the route is
- excellent.
- >
- >Hopefully it will come back to us later today.
- >
- >Regards, Davie
- >
- >Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:32:47 +0200
- >From: jmcs
- >Subject: Spanish Earthquake!
- >
- >Hello everybody,
- >
- >This happened just 11 hours ago. I was studying in my bed, it was around
- >1:00 AM when I decided to quit for the night. I couldn t sleep so I started
- >watching 'Beautiful Thing'. I turned the light off and started watching it.
- >Around 1:50 or so Jamie and Ste had barely begun kissing when suddenly my
- >bed started shaking. That first moment you don t know what s going on, I
- >thought it was the elevator or something but the shaking continued and I
- >understood. "It s an earthquake!", I screamed jumping off the bed. I turned
- >the light on and the lamp was still moving. My father was also awake but my
- >mother wasn t (it pissed her missing it).
- >
- >Spain isn t a country with remarkable seismic activity. Most of it
- >concentrates in Andalucia (South) but this one had its epicentre in Galicia
- >(Northwest).
- >It s intensity was 4.8 in Richter s scale, not much but frights aside, the
- >earthquake left me with a strange sense of euphoria. I was still jumping an
- >hour later. All the news started talking about it ten minutes later.
- >This is my second earthquake (the other happened 4 years ago) and we all
- >were talking about it at the University this morning.
- >
- >Certainly, it s a change in one s monotonous life and I wanted to share it
- >with you.
- >
- >Take care (and be careful :)).
- >
- >
- >Sandra.
- >
- >Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:16:07 +0200
- >From: jmcs
- >Subject: Re: Different version?
- >
- >Hi everybody,
- >
- >After more than one hundred and fifty earthquakes (the one I told you about
- >finally was 5.1 in Richter s scale) it seems Galicia stopped 'moving'.
- >
- >
- >I ve also seen the picture of Jamie and Ste s dance wearing sunglasses (as
- >any BT fanatic, of course); besides, I have a portfolio full to bursting
- >with net reviews, pictures, press cuttings, etc, etc. I ve also seen several
- >pictures of Leah, Jamie and Ste in what appeared to be a long scene: the
- >three of them leaning against the railings, talking by the telephone boxes
- >and sitting on the floor by the lake. Ste and Jamie are both dressed in red
- >T-shirts and Leah wears those sunflowers in her hair. I always thought it
- >was a scene that was left out in the final editing. (As a fanatic, I ve also
- >missed 'The Making of Beautiful Thing' a la Hollywood style), interviews,
- >and so on. After all, this is another country and unfortunately, we haven t
- >had the chance of seeing ANYTHING about the film other than the 20 seconds
- >announcement of its imminent release. :(
- >
- >Take care.
- >
- >
- >Sandra.
- >
- Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:25:39 -0800
- From: Mike
- Subject: Re: a beautiful experience
- At 7:41 AM -0400 5/27/97, Taiyed22 wrote:
- > I've never danced with a
- >guy before, ever, but in a fun attempt to make his girlfriend jealous I asked
- >him to dance. This is in no way of me coming out, and I don't think my other
- >friends saw it in this way either, but at least I got to dance with a guy for
- >the first time, and I didn't feel ashamed one bit.
- Go for it dude! Congratulations! Is there any support we can give you to
- help you with this coming out process? If so, let us know -- or me know
- privately if you'd prefer. Pretty good listener, I am -- try to be anyway.
- Mike
-
Subject: Re: BT Video Solutions/ purchase
- Date: Wed, 28 May 97 02:09:53 -0700
- From: Clem
- I did this and while it was a bit expensive, the service was prompt `nuf
- for an overseas delivery. Plus they gave me a nice outdated copy of
- their queer mail order catalog, "crash bang whollop" containing mas picts
- of our two favorite actors.
- lates,
- clem
- carbon life form: David, on 5/23/97 2:07 PM, said:
- >If you check out the merchandise page you will see I have detailed the
- >virgin phone order line who can take credit card orders and will ship the
- >British PAL video worldwide - several fans have done so since Christmas.
- >Regards, Davie
- From: Jeff
- Date: 5/28/97 1:28PM
- Subject: Re: US video cover
- Funny to see how the CD and video covers have gone through a metamorphosis
- between the UK and the US. Guess that's marketing. I thought it was bad
- enough when they messed up the bench scene and flipped the council
- buildings, moved them closer to Jamie and Ste and put the goofy rainbow
- between the buildings on the US screenplay cover. And the video cover...
- man, you're right Mike, where the heck is that city? Doesn't look like
- London to me. Plus, the reviews at the top, however glowing, are
- distracting.
- Jeff
- ----------
- > From: Mike
- > To: Beautiful Thing Email List
- > Subject: Re: US video cover
- > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 5:17 p.m.
- >
- > It ain't the Emerald City but it might as well be. Ain't even London, much
- > less Thamesmead. What is WITH these people?
- >
- > >So whats up with the US cover of BT? They completely replaced Thamesmead in
- > >the Jamie and Ste bench scene with a different city. What city is it
- > >anyways?
- > >
- > >just a thought,
- > >taiyed
- >
- >
- > Mike
- Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:07:19 +0200
- From: Chik
- Subject: a beautiful experience to be...
- Hiya All,
- I know that you guys've heard that several times before but I just have
- to tell you: I LOVE BT!!! It's the best movie I've ever seen.
- Tonight, I'll meet the person I'm currently dreaming of. His name's
- Matija (pronounced Ma-te-a). Just hope he'll notice me. I'm a bit
- nervous and I just can't await seeing him. He's one of the cutest guys
- I've ever seen.
- Thanks a lot,
- Michael
- From: Keith
- Date: 5/28/97 2:12PM
- Subject: Re: BT Video Solutions/ purchase -Reply
- Anyone still have the phone number for this???
- Thanks much,
- Keith
- >>> Clem 05/28/97 04:09am >>>
- I did this and while it was a bit expensive, the service was prompt `nuf
- for an overseas delivery. Plus they gave me a nice outdated copy of
- their queer mail order catalog, "crash bang whollop" containing mas picts
- of our two favorite actors.
- lates,
- clem
- carbon life form: David , on 5/23/97 2:07 PM, said:
- >If you check out the merchandise page you will see I have detailed the
- >virgin phone order line who can take credit card orders and will ship the
- >British PAL video worldwide - several fans have done so since Christmas.
- >Regards, Davie
- From: Keith
- Date: 5/28/97 3:20PM
- Subject: a beautiful experience to be... -Reply
- Chik,
- Checked it out...nice!
- Looks like you spent some time on it.
- I'm not too familar with Austria, but was there once in High School,
- Date: 5/28/97 5:32PM
- Subject: Re: BT Virgin Megastore Times Square
- I was also laughing! Thanks for the good cheer.
- clem
- carbon life form: David, on 5/22/97 2:11 PM, said:
- >Harry wrote...
- >
- >"Well, I guess I qualify as a BT fanatic...."
- >
- >Thanks Harry, for making me laugh just before dinner and bedtime!
- >
- >Davie.
- >.-
- >
- From: Mike
- Date: 5/28/97 4:25PM
- Subject: reTREAT (beyond words)!
- *Note: The following is being sent to all from this past Discovery retreat
- cyber heart-circle and many other friends around the world with whom I wish
- to share this message.
- Hi everyone! As most of you know (as many of you were there!) I spent the
- past long weekend on a retreat at a beautiful site near Napa, California.
- This Heart/Body Connection retreat was put on by the Discovery Community,
- Inc. -- a non-profit organization of gay men "established to promote the
- welfare of gay and bisexual persons by providing opportunities for personal
- growth and community building, and working to eliminate prejudice based on
- sexual orientation." I have been affiliated with Discovery for nearly ten
- years.
- I've been on a lot of Discovery retreats -- most of them in the early years
- -- but, for me at least, this was one of the best. Very healing --
- something I've sorely needed as most of you know.
- I want to write something to express how much this retreat meant to me, to
- be touched by and to touch all of you, physically, emotionally,
- spiritually. But till now I've had no words. Those who know me will
- appreciate how much it takes to get me beyond words. This retreat did that.
- Thanks Grant and Scott for your excellent facilitation!
- The past three years of my life have been very difficult. The universe has
- seen fit to take away many things I valued. Things I didn't believe I could
- live without. David Brown was just the most recent of them. This has left
- me in a state of profound grief and questioning. Who am I now? What do I
- really need and want? How can I live what I know to be true?
- At the first heart circle gathering of our retreat, already feeling filled
- with the wonderful energy a retreat can offer, I said, "Hi, my name is
- Mike, and I want to live here for the rest of my life." Naturally you
- laughed with affirmation and understanding -- but I was quite serious.
- Given my recent uncertainty, this clarity of knowing is very rare. It meant
- a lot to me to be that sure of something. What's more I'm as certain about
- it today as I was that morning. What I mean has only partially to do with
- geography. More significantly it has to do with a state of heart, mind and
- body. A feeling of connection, love and respect with and for others -- even
- with all of our differences. That this is more possible amidst a gathering
- of beautiful, loving, gay men, rolling hills with redwood groves beneath
- blue skies that reach out to an infinity riveted with stars, is also no
- doubt a part of it. But it is not the whole.
- David's passing has shown me that none of us, no matter how long we have on
- this Earth (and none of us know how long that is) have time to waste. I
- don't know what "waste" means really. I don't mean to imply anything
- judgemental or moralistic. What I do mean is I'm learning how important it
- is to follow one's heart. If we are doing that, then we aren't wasting our
- lives. If we are doing that, it probably doesn't matter that much what we
- ARE doing because it will be within that context. But the central question
- is, how often am I even *in touch* with my heart, let alone following it?
- From my own experience I know that retreats like this one cannot be
- repeated. We could go back there and try to recreate that magic, but it
- wouldn't work. We could create something, but it wouldn't be the same. This
- is important to understand so we don't waste our time trying to repeat the
- past. The present is where that retreat happened and only that which lives
- in the present can hold the magic it held. Those precise conditions will
- never exist again.
- The question now becomes, how can I keep this openness alive in myself
- right here, right now? How can I stay open to my own heart and the hearts
- of others I may not even know? How can I "stay here" in my life, in my
- relationships with you and other people, moment to moment, day to day?
- I do not have an answer to that question. Words, though far from useless,
- are limited. They can only take us just so far. Beyond them we have to
- learn to live what they mean. And, although the concept is simple enough, I
- find it is one of the most difficult things on earth to do.
- In this instance perhaps what is needed most is the intent to LIVE the
- question. I do not know "how;" all I know is that it is important to move
- in that direction by remembering that I have a heart, remembering something
- of what it feels like to hold it open. Personally, I doubt that this can be
- done alone. When we are together, when we give it the right quality of
- attention, we create a field of energy that is greater than the sum of us.
- We need special inner and outer conditions for this energy to grow. But it
- can not grow if we do not value it, pay attention to it or create those
- conditions in our lives. The retreat was one set of conditions. This cyber
- circle is another.
- Of course coming together to create conditions inevitably evokes pain among
- us. It is very difficult to be honest with ourselves and with one another.
- Difficult to let go of old habits of thought and feeling which keep our
- hearts protected from old hurts that can be revisited in the present. It is
- difficult to be responsible for my own limitations and to accept the
- limitations of others. But ultimately this is what must be done. This is
- what is needed. And it is long, hard work. To know fully the joys of life,
- it is necessary to know and accept its griefs without resignation. They are
- not separate.
- Love, a force capable of reconciling joy and sorrow, is like the seed of a
- flower. The seed in itself is quite beautiful. But for it to grow and
- manifest its full potential, it must be planted in the right soil, given
- just enough sun, water, air -- but not too much of any one thing. Once
- these are given in their proper proportions, the alchimical miracle begins.
- From deep within it, something ancient and mysterious begins to move and
- grow. This "something" is beautiful at every stage. But when nourished to
- the full, it blossoms and creates wonder and delight to all who see it or
- who are touched by its fragrance from afar. Finally, after being
- pollinated, it spreads its seeds far beyond the limits of its temporary
- form. Thus it never truly dies but derives its being from an eternal rhythm.
- A seed has been planted in us. We are the soil, the sun, the air, the
- water. These elements are transformed in us as we become the sprout, the
- stalk, the leaves and the flower. We pollinate one another with our words,
- thoughts, feelings -- the touch of our bodies, the look in our eyes. Thus
- we move on into our lives and spread our seeds to the wind. Beyond us lies
- yet a greater flower of which we are also a part. This is the nature of
- things.
- Well, these words just came out. I didn't plan them and I didn't know they
- were there till I wrote them. I give them to you as a gesture of love for
- whatever they may be worth. One thing I know: It is far easier to write
- words than to live them. Real meaning is not in words. Real meaning is
- lived.
- Namaste'
- Mike
- From: Clem
- Date: 5/28/97 5:32PM
- Subject: Rehearsal photos? (was: Re: Different version?)
- Heya
- -are there more of those type of "behind the scenes" photos floating
- around out there somewhere?
- clem
- carbon life form: David, on 5/23/97 2:05 PM, said:
- >> As for the photos I see on the soundtrack and even in the web page of Jamie
- >> and Ste dancing, they are wearing sunglasses. ?? Am I just missing
- >> something?
- >No, those shots are from the rehearsals.
- From: Clem
- Date: 5/28/97 5:32PM
- Subject: Re: Chat Channel!
- heya all,
- IRC is a lot of fun usually and I would highly encourage folks who
- appreciate the more popular strings on this list to boot up, log on, and
- join in!
- clem
- carbon life form: Mike, on 5/23/97 2:03 PM, said:
- >Thanks, Cadium. Some of us have been meeting via IRC #BTlist on Sunday
- >afternoons California time (evening in England, early Monday morning in
- >Austraila).
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-
From: Clem
- Date: 5/28/97 5:32PM
- Subject: Saying yes to yourself & no to Gene Manipulation
- Manuel,
- You are so correct! There *is* this moment of transformation that can
- happen-- one in which you realize that you wouldn't actually change who
- and what you are. That you are actually ok with yourself, and, as a
- matter of fact, you damn well like yourself, just fine.
- It's a wonderful shift in self-identity. And it can help make all the
- difference. It reminds of the BT scene in which Jamie is ironing his
- shirt to go out that eve. He is all smiles--content and excited. And it's
- not simply the date--he's stoked because he's found the ability (and
- desire) to accept what is happening to him. He realized the power of
- swimming with the current, not against it. He realized that the river was
- actually flowing in a direction he *wanted* to go in.
- And this reminds me as well of Robbie and how he didn't (couldn't) want
- this at all. He fought and fought and wound up only exhausting his will
- and strength to live at all.
- Manuel, your affirmation of yourself gives me strength as well. and I
- thank you.
- clem
- carbon life form: Manuel, on 5/23/97 11:26 AM, said:
- >What surprised me most was that I did not have to think about this
- >question.
- >My immediate answer was a clear " NO, I don't think so!"
**************************************************************
- From: Clem
- Date: 5/28/97 5:32PM
- Subject: Re: BT Virgin Megastore Times Square
- I was also laughing! Thanks for the good cheer.
- clem
- carbon life form: David, on 5/22/97 2:11 PM, said:
- >Harry wrote...
- >
- >"Well, I guess I qualify as a BT fanatic...."
- >
- >Thanks Harry, for making me laugh just before dinner and bedtime!
- >
- >Davie.
- >.-
- >
- From: Clem
- Date: 5/28/97 5:32PM
- Subject: moving to contra costa
- jeff
- arg, why is she moving to contra cost county??? it's one of the most
- conservative and rich white... blah blah blah. with all the palces in the
- bay area to choose from? does she have friends there or a job?
- clem
- >I said on Tuesday that I had to let go and just wait for BT to return to
- >Blockbuster. Well, it was back on Wednesday. I managed to rent it and
- >watch it twice. Once blissfully by myself, the other time with a friend who
- >reminds me a lot of Leah. "One Way Ticket" is my friend's new theme song.
- >She's moving Tuesday from Omaha, Neb., to Contra Costa County, Calif.
- >Sigh.
- >
- >I nearly cried when the movie started. I have it rented for another day.
- >And then, next week, hopefully, my copy arrives from Reel.com.
- >
- > Jeff
- >
- >----------
- >> From: Gavin
- >> To: Beautiful Thing Email List
- >> Subject: Re: Things are happening...
- >> Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 4:20 p.m.
- >>
- >> At 18:14 5/21/97 +0100, David wrote:
- >> >schedules. If you want to send a birthday card to Scott email me for
- >> details so
- >> >they can be with him on the 10th June.
- >>
- >> Hm... Glen Berry not have a birthday?
- >>
- >>
- >> Gav.
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- From: David
- Date: 5/28/97 7:31PM
- Subject: Beautiful Thing - The Sequel
- Web Update:
- Check out the 'The Sequel' page - 3rd down in the contents frame.
- Invitation to all the budding writers among the Beautiful Thing throng to submit a script for the sequel.
- Regards, Davie
- From: Mike
- Date: 5/28/97 8:42PM
- Subject: Re: Chat Channel!
- Super dude (and he really is so cute it makes your eyes squirt) Clem wrote:
- >heya all,
- >
- >IRC is a lot of fun usually and I would highly encourage folks who
- >appreciate the more popular strings on this list to boot up, log on, and
- >join in!
- Yeah, it is a lot of fun. Unfortunately I'm often away from my computer on
- Sundays. Gotta give it a rest you know!
- By the way, we were talking about the various nets. I was using stealth.net
- before. Is there a better one for those of us on the west coast USA?
- Mike
- From: JOE
- Date: 5/28/97 11:58PM
- Subject: Re: a beautiful experience
- > Another beautiful thing that happened - a bunch of my friends and I went to a
- > club late last night. One of my friends bumped into his girlfriend there who
- > seemed to have been ignoring him the whole night. I've never danced with a
- > guy before, ever, but in a fun attempt to make his girlfriend jealous I asked
- > him to dance. This is in no way of me coming out, and I don't think my other
- > friends saw it in this way either, but at least I got to dance with a guy for
- > the first time, and I didn't feel ashamed one bit. And it worked too, his
- > girlfriend asked him to dance afterwards.
- >
- > taiyed
- The first time I danced with another guy was when I really, really
- felt that, yes, I _was_ gay. It just seemed so natural, so right.
- Just got back from a beautiful experience of my own - Memorial Day
- Weekend in Pensacola Beach, Florida. I didn't go to the parties or
- bars in Pensacola on Saturday or Sunday (the beach is on an island
- about six miles offshore from Pensacola itself,) but I did spend time
- on the gay beach. Imagine, if you will, five whole miles of Gulf
- beach covered with folks flying rainbow flags. That's right - while
- trying to find a parking space (and Pensacola Beach authorities
- lifted the usual ban on roadside parking for this weekend only), I
- drove past five full files of cars - on both sides of the road - plus
- all the parking lots were full.
- They were there Saturday and Sunday and about three miles of cars
- remained Sunday afternoon. There were rainbow flags hanging from
- several local businesses (never imagined I'd see a rainbow flag
- hanging from a Subway Sandwich Shop sign! <G>) and the beach wear
- shops almost all had some gay-themed stuff.
- Pensacola Beach has a free trolley system during the summer season
- and several bars in Pensacola paid to run all day to the gay beach
- area - the "Rainbow Trolley." Some locals said they welcomed the
- crowd (estimated at maybe 70,000) because "they spend more money than
- the college kids and they behave a lot better."
- There were gays and lesbians and it seemed that my side of the motel
- was "Lesbian Central," with a few of us guys scattered in. Late
- Friday night, I heard some music all of a sudden. Turned out to be a
- group of women having an impromptu parking lot dance, using the
- stereo on someone's truck to crank out Melissa Etheridge and Indigo
- Girls songs.
- A great weekend, great weather (sunny and in the mid-80s (don't know
- what that is in Celsius)) and an overall _beautiful_ experience.
- Got the rest of the week off, so it's back to the VCR and more
- viewings of Beautiful Thing.
- Gary
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