MSCList Postings

June 1998

• vrooom (June 28)
• mmmmm herring (June 25)
• thrones (June 23)
• Happy Solstice (June 21)
• freudom (June 18)
• hysteria (June 16)
• marlett (June 14)
• calm down (June 12)
• drift away (June 9)
• gardeners (June 6)
• rapatak (June 4)
• thinksies (June 2)

Gee whizz. Half way through the year already?

Sara
I was watching vh-1 today,
You got the satellite, then (:
the grateful dead recorded 164 songs all together and only one of their songs ever made it into the top ten.
That, quite frankly, is nothing. In the UK singles book, they don't appear. It goes straight from Great White (US lite rock band who had three minor hits in 1990-1) to Buddy Greco (flavour of the week for about ten seconds in summer 1960). Over on the albums lists, they have six entries, but nothing bigger than the #30 peak of "Terrapin Square"; rather spookily, in the same week Elvis died. Is there a connection there?

~Laura
Are you going/or have you gone to any summer concerts?
Only vicariously.
What is the last CD you bought? What do you think about it?
Last ones I bought were Shania Twain's album, which is bostin', and Dana International's "Diva", a decision that most certainly was rational.
What song really feels like summertime to you?
OK, this isn't a real answer, but someone's got to do it... A medley of "Here comes the rain again", "I can't stand the rain", "Rain", "Water under the bridge" performed by Wet Wet Wet.

SaEliza, she writes
I have a question for the people on the list who consider themselves athesists.
Well, I don't quite fall into that category, but I'll bite.
Why don't you attend church anyway? If there is a God, you'll be rewarded with eternal life. If there's not, you'll have wasted an hour of your life a week, but still be dead.
Mmm, interesting. But to judge by Christian teaching, going through the motions counts for nothing. It's what you honestly believe that counts. And as what I believe isn't what the church round me teaches, I have better things to do than feel as though I'm having my intelligence insulted. And an hour a week: maybe 50 hours a year. That's over two days having my brains pummelled.

Cory, sounds like your guy is a great hugger. I like his style.

And Cory's tips for dealing with housemates with no musical taste
inform her that listening to that shit is gauranteed to make you sterile. (Is that cruel? ;)
Yes. It also happens to be true.

I mean, I would send Cory nasty, bitchy posts. Attacking her Little Grey Hindu Man. And her fandom of the Yankees. Only, I just don't have it in me. Sorry. Though she does go on to say
Bite me.
I would, but you'd have to slay me afterwards.

D-anon asks
Is the Lord a Streisand fan?
No, but Mark is. That ties neatly in with Bronwyn's call on Mark to post. Yes, please do. With the cancellation of Gay Pride on July 4, my schedule has a gap. Does yours?

Alikat replies to my last but one post, and says

Well, to that, I can only say,

Good point, though.

Sunny Shana
I laid on a quilt trip
A trip in which you lay a feather-filled duvet over some friends? Spreading your comfort and warmth over other people? Sounds great...

Now, two posts ago, I misquoted Alan. Deca replied to his query about what's to be done
I guess he has to buy you a drink, and while you're drinking it straight down he has to say "I'm sorry" until you're finished.
You're ready Alan, coz here comes the Beckham Free Kick. Strong, delicious, and really hits the spot.

Now, when Marissa headed a post "Romans interpretations", I was confused. Was it responding to Roman's summary of something, or to the meaning of classical Latin, or "Romans", a book, and the ways that people read meaning into it. Very confusing.

Bill challenges us to name times the US government acted for the public good against their economic judgement or special interest groups. Well, as I say every time, I'm no American, but I do know something about British politics. Hmm. Clean Air Act, but that came after a debilitating smog that killed thousands. Sex Discrimination and Race Relations Acts? They weren't obviously in anyone's economic interests, but enshrined good practice in law. The recent anti-pistol legislation? Naah, playing the established gun lobby against the emotive illogic of two or three activists.

Swirliiee joins us. Hello.
this list seems mature and reflects the kinda people that were portrayed in MSCL
I certainly hope we're reasonably mature here. Even the bouts of immaturity we see are (usually) ironic. But if we're the people portrayed on MSCL, who are The Cheerleaders of the list?
on the tori list they are really strict and it get shellish and AHHHHHHH
No, don't worry about replying to off posts. This is as much the "My So-called Life" the tv show as My so-called life, stuff about the subscribers.

On this topic, Francis Park
There is no Gestapo to regulate content, though.
Though there is the International Krakow Police and the Jordan Junta to lightly slap you on the wrists should you get too vitriolic in any debate comparing the characters' relative merits. Not that they've swung into action for a demi-yonk.

Sara, with "Them" being the Spice Girls.
how many people actually like them on this list?
Weaver waves a hand about above his head, slightly embarrassedly. And I like Hanson, too. And Kenickie. Phew, that's recovered a little cool...
that momma I love you song still annoys me to no end.
Oh, the same for me. But just as every crap band is allowed one decent song, all good bands record one stinker.

Brem
Wannabe could be the Beastie Boys, for christs sake.
Oh dear. This is going to stick in my mind for a long time.

Dr Anon
aren't they just the Village People of the 90's?
D'oh! [slaps forehead] How did I miss it?

Roman
I went to the therapist yesterday.
Yay for you. It takes courage: more than I've had.

Now, once in a while I throw in something from another place. This one's from Slate magazine's daily summary of the US press. Start humming "Baby love" right now...

Back to all the Court action for a moment: In hewing to its briefing style of serving up the news, USAT quickly cranks in to its line-item veto lead news of the day's other major decisions: "the court issued major rulings on: discrimination and persons with HIV; attorney-client confidentiality; [and] a 'decency' requirement for arts projects seeking federal funding." A little too quickly--the paper doesn't stop to say *which way* the Supremes went on these issues.

Roman on Claire D
she turned down a role on a soap opra when she was 12 (she didn't think it was serious acting)?
I didn't think it was possible, but she's just gone up even further in my estimations.

Sara
what do you guys look for when you look for graphics? anything specific? just buttons, or bars, or what?
I'll answer this with two hats on:

1) Me, personally. Graphics only where they're needed. Navigation by text alone. Bars by use of the [hr] tag.

2) Me as a wannabe professional web designer. Small buttons for navigation. A few small bars re-used throughout the site. Maybe a button map that doesn't change colour to indicate where you are on the site. But if the graphics are larger than the html file, something is badly wrong.

The Cheesecake News Network reports
Brem was just on the phone to me and has told me to tell you that he gotten a 2:1,
CNN's reporter in the field files this:

Yes, we've just had confirmation that Bath Uni has awarded Brem X. Jones, meister of kenickie.com, orange vendor par excellence, and Thoroughly Decent Chap, a 2:!. Reaction from world leaders has been swift. "Finger" - Paddy Ashdown. Bill Clintern - "Square". But, said Tony Blair - "But". Now over to Glen Parva, who is on the scene as the events napkin unwrinkles.

For those of you confuzzled by all this, a 2:1 indicates a score between 60 and 69% in final exams. I gather it's equivalent to a "B" grade in the US system, but Brem probably knows more about that than I.

Lauren
I just got my SAT scores back in the mail and I got a 1230!!!!
I have no idea what this means, but it's better than you wanted, so YAY YOU!!!

Susan Katz [why does that name ring a bell?]more...
I am a New Yorker
Whoop! If I get over there this autumn, you're another one on my List Of People To Try And See.

Hmm. The Standard reports Monica Seles has started dating a tourist who asked her for directions at Piccadilly Station. There is a downside to knowing the underground inside-out ):

Driving matters. Here in the UK, you have to be 17 (or a member of the armed forces, or driving an "invalid carriage" or agricultural vehicle) to apply for the provisional license and take the written test. You can start learning on the road before taking the written, but have to pass it before taking the practical. After that, there are a few restrictions: two offences and you're banned, rather than four for "grown-ups", and no tutoring till you've had three years experience (or are 25).

Codsall: sun, showers, 18

Apparently, Vince Naimoli, the owner of baseball's new Tampa Bay franchise, is annoyed because the New York Mets billed his side as "Tampa". When they next come to visit, he'll instruct the scoreboard operator to keep their score on 0, an idea he got off the Paraguay football side.

New releases in the US this week include
*CATATONIA - International Velvet
It's great when you're Welsh ... yeah!
*LIONEL RICHIE - Time
... to say goodbye...

Sunny Shana
anyone know a good remedy to help me sleep?
Try listening to CBC Radio overnight. A blend of the most boring radio shows from around the world. Guaranteed to have you nodding off in next to no time. (Offer not valid outside Canada)

Lauren on Po5
it's already been resigned for the season after that.
What, in the same way Smashie and Nicey, Norma Lament and the US soccer coach have been resigned? Oh, you mean re-signed.

Scotty (Hello, I don't think we've been introduced...)
If God created time, then you are saying that God created inches, gallons, and watts.
I don't think we are. Time is generally accepted to be a dimension, like the obvious three.
Time is simply a measurement.
Time is. Seconds, years are a unit of measurement, as are inches, watts, gallons.

~Laura
And, whatever happened to the tape project the list was working on for the characters?
shimelle, come out of the brighton rock and answer us!

Rachel
is it the admins who put together the digest or is it someone else, like with onelist?
I think it's all done automatically. By a computer. Without people intervening.

What do you mean, like this post?

Kori asks
I was so thrilled that my name was mentioned, I forgot to ask: WHAT? And who the heck is Bob Holness????
Oh dear, I knew I should have worked on the web page last weekend, rather than job applications (: "Blockbusters" was a rather cool quiz show that ran for 10 years, in which 16-18 year olds answered general knowledge questions of the form "What B is ..?" Bob Holness was the host, appearing somewhat confused by all the pop culture references, but acting as everyone's favourite uncle. It's also the show that I made my network tv debut on, winning 70 pounds while losing 2-1.

And while on the subject of old quiz shows, Kori's message first appeared in digest 3-2-1. The Dusty Bin Memorial Digest.

Lauren
I have dibs on Leonardo
Maybe, but only when his fiancee finally admits that she's found someone better.

[pauses for assumed swig of drink]

Okay, back to drugs test. Jenn
neither the US Supreme Court nor Walmart nor anyone else is enforcing drug testing in an attempt to protect their employees or their customers -- this is a political movement, and it has (IMHO) nothing to do with protecting the individual herself or her rights.
As I've hinted at before, I think that this whole thing started out of genuine concern and revulsion at the experiments of the late 60s (yeah, real hippie sh*t), but has become so deeply entrenched in the national psyche that it's not going to be reversed for a very long time. Individual views - actual facts have nothing to say with it.

Scott
Do you think it should be ok for say, the president of the US to be doing drugs?
The guy who had a pint by the canal at the G8 conference last month? Negotiating under the influence.
Or the guy driving a huge rig right behind you? What about a bus driver escorting a load of small children home?
I'd be as worried that they'd been smoking cannabis as if they had become addicted to nicotine.
Would you want there to be even the risk that someone could be under the influence if they held your life in thier hands?
There will always be the risk of something bad happening. Of an engine falling off a plane, or a fish bone sticking in your throat. The advantage gained by eliminating that minute risk doesn't justify the time and expense of removing it.

Anna
Anyway, what I wanted to say was, thank you for bringing a new light to this issue. It's got me thinking and questioning, which is good.
They helped you wake up... wake up... [/obmscl]

Sara
but you're talking about private schools.
Slightly cynical, but the English state system seems to adopt the best practice of private schools within a few years. They're the Windows 95 of an Apple Mac education system.
Private schools can require whatever the heck they want, and to be honest, I have no idea what the private schools ask for in relation to drug testing. I do know that everyone I know that went to a private school (except for one person) didn't do drugs.
I worked at a private school a few years ago. At the time, the head was using a surreptitious test I've alluded to in a previous post. Without so much as informing the parents. He figured that about 10% of his pupils were using some form of drug other than tobacco. He couldn't expel all those pupils, because each brings in 5,000 pounds per year, and the school couldn't afford to lose that much.
Um..what is MHP?
The Meldrum Home Page. Just go there! Covers old tv, test signals, and cock-ups on the screen. The web site has a section on what the BBC did one night last August.

Brem
2-1, I ask you.
Join the club. Firsts are for people with no lives. Here's proof.

Angie, au revoir.

Kori
Wow, I just realized how off topic that was from Rachel's post.
Being off topic is just a state of mind. If you think hard enough, every topic is related to every other.

So, take this set of results from the Otherworld Cup, see who goes through, and relate all that to Cabot 501 (yesterday).

See you over the weekend,

a: brz 2 nwy 2, sco 2 mrc 0 * b: ita 3 cam 0, pru 3 otr 1
c: dmk 2 saf 3, fra 4 sab 1 * d: esp 0 par 0, bul 5 ken 1
Rockette! * Brum: showers & 18 * Ulster vote II: today

And the beat goes on...

Thanks to Brem for picking up on the deliberate mistake in last time's post. It's corrected for this sig...

Deca suggests drinking every time
Iain finds yet another flaw in "Titanic"
Could be a long time on the wagon, folks. Finding flaws in that movie is so last winter.
someone mentions "Leo DiLaine"
someone mentions Kenickie
OK, so it's straight off the wagon then.

Jenn
Anecdotal evidence is not proof, nor even statistically significant.
Or, as Uncle Ed Doolan says, "Based on a random sample of how many? One?" Cruel, but fair. And a quick plug for Uncle Ed's website: Ed Doolan: On The Web

And further thought on the drug tests: what about screening for nicotine? That disrupts the working habits of its users for about five minutes every hour or so. Almost 10% of the working day is lost through its use. And employers find that acceptable?

Rachel
I don't think I've ever heard of drug tests in schools before.
Well, fair dinkum. I know that a number of private schools in the UK insist their pupils take tests on a termly basis, and there have been reports that some schools randomly test the effluent to find out if any tests positive. (Only works for male pupils, natch).

Scott
Alchole obviously isn't a big deal because the most you get after drinking the night before you work is a hang over,
What if you actually turn up to work drunk? Or, even worse, slightly intoxicated such that your judgement is impaired, but not so badly gone that it's obvious? Is that safe for you and your co-workers?
but any other sort of drug including marijuana can stay in the system for longer
Do you have proof that marijuana a) impairs one's work and b) continues to have such effects for longer than alcohol?
it's not even the quality of the work that they are concerned about, it's the saftey of the people working there.
Call me an old cynic, but I think they're just concerned about the bad publicity that might result from a terrible accident involving falling crates of baked bean cans, and hand-wringing reactionaries decrying the lack of drug tests on the staff. Remember: if the beans are on the bottom shelf, they won't hurt your head when they fall.

With "that" being "legalise and tax drugs", Sara
the government is too stupid to do something as smart as that.
I'd really like to have a sharp answer giving two reasons why that's the case. I don't. My best guess is a) it would be a U-turn on a monumental scale, larger than any ever, and b) it would mean writing off all the money they've wasted (er) spent on Just Say No.

With regard to Alan's point about drug test for transport workers. My sources in the rail industry say that clauses for tests are part of the standard contract for new workers, and enjoy wide support amongst the workers.

My personal view is that testing for all impairing drugs (including alcohol), as happens on British railways, is acceptible if and only if the person being tested has direct responsiblity for customer's physical wellbeing. Testing in such industries as post, telecoms, engineering and shops does not fall into this category.

Brem
Statistically, most serious drug users have smoked dope. Just because there is a correlation does not imply a causal link.
Most serious drug users have eaten a Big Mac. Does society want to ban the Big Mac in the light of this evidence?

Sara
the companies that require the drug testing for you to get hired, pay for it.
And how do they recoup their money? From the people who buy their products. That's you, that is.

Susan
do any of you people realize that this is a MSCL mailing list? We should at least include some thing about the show every once in a while!
Fine. Did Jordan use dope? Would he have passed one of the drug tests we've been debating these last few days?

Seriously, though, this is the My So-Called Life list. Within that, we also concentrate on My so-called life, and my so-called life. Fans of my so-called Life tend to post in other fora, which may or may not exist.

Unsubs in the header: Nichole points out
Im on a lot of mailing lists and I dont know of any otehrs that have it there
Let me check my others: Planet Claire doesn't; the MHP does; uk- radio doesn't but puts instructions in the closing comment; wirelist does. You do the calculus.

Jaime
So I've been on this list for a few months, maybe even longer, and now I'm unsubbing.
I'm sorry to hear that.
When I announce this by asking how to unsub,
Er, excuse me, if you ask for unsub instructions, you're asking for unsub instructions. For all we know, some lurker has written you and asked your help in getting off the list.

This post has now crashed with a divide by cucumber error. Please excuse me while I restart weaver.universe

[beeeeeeep]
[mmm-baa-beee-skreeeeeeek]
[picture of girl and clown playing noughts and crosses]
[odd music]
[clown jumps up and down saying "Yippee! Thirty years and I finally beat her!]

We apologise for the technical problems you've just experienced. Normal service will now resume, in digital broadcasting where available.

Marissa runs through her recent acquisitions and shares
I got a **KENICKIE** CD!!
Whoop! Whay-jhay! The list's unofficial band grow bigger with every passing day.

Stormy Shana, good to hear from you again. Have a notional house- warming card.

Last time, I described what age is. Brooks summarised
Wouldn't that be a quanity then?
A quantity? True, but that's like saying speed down the highway is just a number. If you're going at 20, you're more likely to feel safe than if you're going at 120.

Liz
see you guys in august!
Bwaaaaaah! Now I'm gutted.

Further words from Susan Katz (hmm, the name's familiar from somewhere...) about a reunion episode. I won't repeat what I said on this topic last week; those who need a refresher can look at my posts below. But there's one thing to comment on:
Claire Danes and the rest of the cast would most likely participate because they could "boost" their career, and do one final thing for all their devoted fans.
No-one will do this "for all their devoted fans". They'll do it because they think, or they're persuaded, that it's a good career move. Wilson seems to have carved out a niche in "Rent". Jared needs to be taken seriously as an actor, not just an object of Angela's lust. Devon O might welcome the return to the spotlight, but I think she's alone amongst the majors.
Party of five was brought back due to fans sending letters to Fox, and the show's creators!
Po5 was never cancelled. Threatened with cancellation, sure, but never actually axed. And would someone care to remind Susan of Operation Life Support?
So that is in fact an indirect proof that MSCL may be back for a reunion episode with our help.
It is no such thing. It is anecdotal evidence, based on a random sample of one success. There's a certain cyclical method to this post...
So hah! :-)
Wonderfully coherent point.

Sara on those clips of movies they show before the feature
who says preview, and who says trailer?
The ones on TV, I call trails, coz that's how they're referred to in the business. At the movies, they're previews. Or f?!@#$g annoying waste of my time...

Deca brought up the issue of screenings of full movies before the general release date. They're billed as "sneak preview screenings", known (I believe) as "sneaks".

So, I'll sneak away now...

Other than point out "Heavenly Creatures" airs BBC2, 9pm Saturday.

14441391 * F: Ger 1 Aus 0, USA 4, Irl 0 * H Jap 2 CRc 1
G: Tun 3 Rom 1; Eng 1 Col 0 * Tino, vanish from the tourney
Rockette! * Brum: rain to sun & 21

After watching that fiasco of Denmark and South Africa -v- the referee, I'm waiting for the two captains to band together, pick up the ball and walk off with it. Of course, there's none of this rubbish in the Otherworld Cup, where Pele's half way through his four years as head of FIFA.

Sarah
This is the first list I've subscribed to
Welcome aboard!

Hmm. Shannon and Sara make remarks about identity through babies. It's really not something I feel comfortable talking about. Not right now.

Sara: prepare to curse.
We got four of them!!! yay!!! thats the most we've ever got (usually we get 0 of them) but we didn't get the bonus ball... does anyone know if we would have won anything had we a ticket?
You would have won the Match Four prize of 40 pounds, on this occasion. Full coverage of the UK National Lottery at Richard Lloyd's Wonderful Site

Roman
Being sick sucks
This is undoubtedly true.
My mom says it's a Summer cold, which seems a bit oxymoronic to me. It started the day after they were spraying these heavy chemicals around at work to clean the floor with, maybe that has something to do with it.
Very possibly. I'm allergic to high concentrations of grass pollens, so around this year I'm sneezing a lot when it's sunny. But also when there's dust raised, when I'm around smokers, and even when someone wears a lot of perfume.

Jenn picks up on Ottawa's Latest Dance Sensation
I was there when Alanis (at 16) sang the national anthem at the Ottawa Rough Rider's game. I remember when she was the latest teen sensation. Not, I hasten to add, that I am an Alanis fan, but I do know far too much about her!
Ah, local girl made good then went a bit too southern. It never ceases to amaze me that all the biographies airbrush out almost everything before 1994. And, rather sadly, none of the DJs I've heard in the UK have had the nous to play her old material. Could be a little amusing...

Lauren and Kori warn us of videos on
September 1
I'm more concerned about the rash of dull, trite, cliched videos, tv programmes and radio "documentaries" that are going to kill the previous weekend in the UK. The Monday (Aug 31) is a holiday, and anniversary of some vague story or other.

Kori
I think I'm making Saturday night a Blockbuster night. How pathetic is that?
Erm, maybe "What NV is how pathetic it is to watch 'Blockbusters' on a Saturday evening, with me Bob Holness?".
[br-r-rr-rr-ring] Not Very, Bob?
[ping] Correct.

Brits will get that. The rest of you will have to wait for someone to explain it, or visit my web site.

Sara
although I hadn't personally done any drugs around that time (or for three months before) I had been around it...which can show up on your drug test. that is, marijuana.
Something that champion Canadian snowborder Ross Rebagliati found out at the winter olympics this year. For those of you concentrating on the US -v- Iraq match at the time, Ross tested positive for marajuana after winning a snowboard gold. His appeal - successful, as it turned out - was that he had been around other people who had been smoking it. And he hadn't.
drugs tests are pretty common in the US, and becoming more common
They're very much the exception in the UK. I think that the train and coach companies are the only ones to insist on them, for performance-impairing reasons. Personally, I find it offensive that a potential employer is not prepared to take my word that I don't use unlawful drugs, and would seriously consider refusing to take one if drug use would impair my work performance.

[reads on a little further]

Yeah, what Jenn said.

Lauren
Age is just a number.
Well, age is actually a linear measurement (time) of an arbitrary constant (number of times planet revolves round star) that gives a broad guide to a person's expected physical appearance.

Deca
what is someone of the female gender at the age of 20?
Gal. In the way that a male would be a wogal. Or something.

Marissa Rain Fairy, greetings.
Emily, enjoy camp.

Sara summarises the existance of God
So he does exist now..but only because man created him.
After this performance, Sara goes on to prove that black is white, trees are green, and butter is better than marge. And that Xena could have Hercules' butt anyday.

Which reminds me, season II of Xena: Warrior Princess Of Saving Channel Five's Ratings starts next Saturday.

And that almost leads naturally into the whole June Solstice celebration. To those who find it appropriate, may you be one beat closer to the Good Lady. And to Cory... well, that's next time's post...

C: Fra 3 Dmk 3; SAf 3 SAb 0 * D: Esp 4 Bul 1; Par 4 Ken 2
E: SKa 2 Rus 0; Ned 5 Mex 2 * H: Arg 3 Crt 1 * Rockette!
Codsall: sun, showers, sneezes, 23 * Where to write for help?

Love me, hold me, hear me.

And finally, Titanic falls out of the top 10 US movies.

Eli
If God will continue with this attidue, I'll have to fire him.
Mon dieu! Quite literally, in fact. Sacre bleu! Cordon sanitaire! Shampoo et Conditionaire!

Amy Kickass
hi i'm new!
Welcome, dear lady.

Cory
Freud (is Freud a political figure? Oh well.)
Very much so. Not Sigmund, the one with the strange ideas, but Clement, his grandson, the former Liberal MP for Cambridgeshire, latterly knighted, and now a columnist on The Times. And father of the sublimely talented and erudite Emma. Emma Freud, publicist is no relation to Emma Forrest, novelist and self-publicist. Emma Forrest is, however, related to listie Lisa Forrest, star of the firmament. So, Siggy to Cory in six easy steps.

Bron enquires
What *characters* from movies, tv etc. do you have crushes on?
Mmm. Last year, I would have put Kate Aldridge and Julia Salinger into that category; not any more. Right now, I guess a triple- play from recent Grange Hill: Natasha Stevens (don't palm me off with that drip of a sister!), Jess Arnold and Laurie. Gabrielle, Buffy, Angela, Rayanne, Daria, Chris Longworth, Griffin Holbrook on a good day. But not Tommy Archer.

Nichole
hmm actually nothing like that shows up in the headers here... so maybe those AOHellsters don't get that in their headers either ;-)
Under the options menu, you can select to show full headers. That's where the unsub instructions are. Just because your mail program elects to hide them doesn't mean you've not got them.

Sara. Read no further. Save this message to disk, get off the phone, and read it later. Not only will you relax more, your phone bill will diminish as a direct result (:
is that the one with the two ponytails? There was one..my absolute favorite, that had a ponytail on each side of her head..and I think her hair was red.
Her name was Red. Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Sara's mall
Parkside
Oh! So that's what they do over the weekend! The confusion arises because I work (but not for much longer:) at a crappy business park, where all the roads are called "Parkside". Only it seems that on the weekend, when I'm not there, it turns into a giant shopping mall. Typical (:

Demeter
since I'm off to law school in the fall, I decided that it might be a good thing to deal with my preexisting criminal record (I hear the bar society frowns on lawyers having a record at all).
Indeed they do. They really, really hate vinyl down in London, and I expect it's the same over your way. CD freaks, the lot of them. Though they haven't switched to DAB just yet, I notice. Anyway. Hope you got a good price for your Alanis, Ottawa's Latest Dance Sensation album.

Ariel
i had been successful subbed to the list! that was June 13th, 1996.
And that makes you an Official Old Tymer. Welcome, pull up a rocking chair, and reminisce.

Ashley is back, too. Coolness.

Amy Kickass cites
favorite place(s) (anywhere): the battery
I don't think she means the one in St John's ):

Over in Otherworld, there's a little football tournament on. The Otherworld Cup. Brazil and Italy have both qualified for the second stage with maximum points from their opening two games. Scores are in my sig, and there will be something to read on my web site over the weekend.

Also in Otherworld, my gran decides not to convert to Catholicism and I wind up as a Jew of Polish extraction. And taking sides in the debate about Claire's new movie. But this isn't Otherworld, so I'm staying on the sidelines.

A: Brz 4 Mrc 1, Sco 2 Nwy 0 * B: Itl 4 Ast 0, Pru 0 Cam 0
Geo (5) is history: mail me for how * Official rockette
Brum: showers & 18 * Eat football. Sleep football. Drink liquid

And welcome back.

Jill suggests
5. Three careers Brem would excel at and, ideally, enjoy. the ultimate ruler of hte world
Well, it could be worse; said ultimate ruler could be Billy Clintern...

An AOHellster (different from the one I quoted last week)
i have a question no more like a favor how can i have my name off this mailing thing like i am way busy and i don't have time for like everyone to send me mail
If you wish to unsubscribe, please consult the header to this message. Oh, alright

X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to so-called-off@mail-list.com

Sara
I usually live in Wisconsin. However, at the moment I'm living in the UK, and when I go back to the states, I'll be living in California. so yeah...
Shall we just say "Sara, The World".

Marissa
I read our local paper to see the marriage licenses, court dockets, and birth sections--that's where I hear about what my former classmates are doing!
Interesting... I know that at least six of my classmates have got married; though as they're all female, it's a little difficult to track their offspring.

~Laura
I now have a bright candle of recovery lit in my soul.
Excellent! Let me lob over the length that's left, and let you burn it at your discretion.

Interesting to note that Talk Radio UK may be moving away from their current Football, News, Football, Comment and More Football paradigm to the Rush, Howard and Other Shock Jocks model of the US.

Sunny Shana
I was the best looking person there
This is true by definition.

Tracey enquires
Who's at fault, Friends or ABC???
NBC's schedules are not the responsibility of ABSuck. ABSuck's schedules are the responsibility of ABSuck. If it turns out that NBC are airing a winning show, against one of ABSuck's priorities, it's ABSuck's responsibility to shift their priority show to a more appealing slot. ABSuck did not make such a shift.

Draw your own conclusions.

Tracey again
How do you get quotes to come up at the bottom of your emails
Type them in every time.

Tracey yet again
I just started wondering how many of my fellow canadians are on the list. So, all you canadians out there, send a big "eh" my way!!!
From the English seat of the Newfoundland revolution, we say: Hey.

Eli, welcome back. In the Other World Cup, South Africa upset France 4-3, the Netherlands took out Russia 3-1, Costa Rica shocked Croatia 2-0, Germany fought past the USA 4-3, and Spain drew 1-1 with Kenya.

Marissa
Wash your cares away...worries for another day, let the music play ...Down in Fraggle Rock!" Did I get that verse right?
Almost... try "Dance your cares away.."
Red was my favorite...she was so cool. ;-)
Indeed. Red rocks.
Oh, and those cute little green worker guys...what were they called?...they were just so adorable!
Doozers! Doozers!

Tracey
i can't quite remember what those giant people were called, they were kinda scary
Too right they were! I don't actually recall that they had a name, but I'm sure they did, even if it was only the Giants who Held the Radish Patch.

Garret, is this in your encyclopaedic Muppet Family Knowledge Base?

Sara
ooh..and i went to a real mall today.
Hey! Which one? I think I must have missed it on my Round Britain Mall-Crawling tour (Sheffield, Merry Hill, Thurrock).

Susan
But we all deserve a conclusion. We need to get on with our "so-called lives" but how can we?!
I hate to pick a fight with someone new, but I really disagree with this. My view is that the series ended when it ended. That sucks. In the fullness of time, there may well be a reunion episode, but that may be many years in the future.
And why do we deserve a conclusion? Why should we not accept that which - if any - Angela went with is something we will never know? And why can we not build our lives from that foundation of doubt?
MSCL is now MTV property
MSCL remains the property of Bedford Falls.
we all know the ratings are going to be there.
True, there will be ratings there now. But they will become bigger, better ratings in ten years time, when Claire and Jared are accepted stars, when MSCL is in syndication around the world, when the time is right.

Don't spoil the magic too soon.

Lauren likes
Total Eclipse--a little seen DiCaprio movie about French Poet Arthur Rimbaud, it's simply brilliant, even if David Thewlis makes me want to throw up.
It's also a movie in which DiLaine wears little in selected scenes. Tapes of that scene do have a nasty habit of being very worn...

Twelve reasons why in a later post...

F: Aus 3 Irl 0 * G: Rom 3 Col 3; Eng 4 Tun 0 * H: Arg 1 Jap 1
Diva: in all good record stores (and Woolworths) now
Brum: showers & 17 * Take a chance tonight

When am I back? That's a'when.

Sara, she say
okay..so if thsi goes through, where the heck is everyone???
I'm here. Where (as if I didn't know already) are you?

Shana Fourforms
I used to play softball... haven't in a long time though. I should get back into it, a least just for fun.
OK, how's this
[pitches]
Ooh, bit too fast...
[pitches]
Yay you! Good shot!more...

Hmm. Yearbook entries.
Name: Iain t. Weaver.
Quote: Does Strange Things.
Message: Your unfinished business is your only way forward.
Picture: here
Locale: Codsall, Staffordshire, UK
E-mail: Er, I'd prefer you not to put it up on t'web. Write me through my pages.

Elizabeth Angellla-Brem Skeie-Leih Laurae-Iain Innes Wrigley-Field
So today I got married.
Oh, Liz, how could you? I always wanted to be a bridesmaid ):
My first listie in person!
Which, I suppose, opens up a New List Game: Six Degrees of Liz Wrigley-Field. Hmm, let me see. I've met Brem (Hyde Park, 4/4/98). He met shim last summer, and she met Liz Thursday.

Of course, my score will (hopefully) come down by the end of the summer.

Oh, and if anyone wants to play Six Degrees of Iain, my meets are: ALI, Derrick, Brem, Deca, Phil, Marguerite, Sara, Ross, James.

Tracey! Welcome back, I think. Think that I greeted you before. If not, then welcome.

Christina speaks of
my horse (fake) named Sprocket
Ah, Sprocket. Hey, Sprocket, come away from that hole in the wall. Oh, another postcard from Uncle Matt. Who the blazes is he?

Tracee
but the archives only go back to May 10th on Byron's site. So is there anyway to get digests from then until now?
Mail me off list and I'll see what I can do. You OK to download zip files?

Deca
Why did Rayanne shaving her legs in the bathroom drive you nuts? I personally think it was one of the most erotic scenes in the whole series. :)
I seem to be in agreement with the honourable gentleman on this issue. I remember seeing the scene when it was all new, and feeling as though it was me being reprimanded for gawking. Not Brian.

Twenty Questions continues, with Adam Day in the booth.
I just subscribed to this list yesterday, and I'm curious about how it works.
You write mail, send it to so-called@maillist.com. Their team of fairies re-types your mail, changes some of the spelling, and sends it to everyone on their personal mailing list. They also make sure there's an end line on each message.
How many people are involved?
Around 150 people will read your mail. Well, 150 will have it in their inbox.
Is the purpose of the list just to write other people who enjoyed MSCL?
Seeing MSCL is not a pre-requisite for subscription. Having some form of so-called life is.
How many similar lists exist?
None. Sara wrote
or you can go on the dreamworld list, which is just like this one, only also with lesser posts.
Well, I disagree with the "just like this one" claim, but as Sara qualified that with "lesser posts", I'll agree. Note that many of the best posts on that other list are also posted to this one. So you're missing nothing here.
Is there still any organization to try to save MSCL
No. There was, but someone else can fill you in on that.
Do any of the cast or creators ever acknowledge these lists or similar organizations?
Very occasionally, but there seems to be a certain "I never appeared in any such show" from certain leading lights of the show.

Eric quotes me
> Me, you, and a chicken called Boo.
No, its "Me and you and a DOG named Boo.
Eric, I insist, it's a chicken. Of course, Boo usually goes round in human guise, but why should he not act like a dog once in a while? (Continued: rec.animation.warners.animaniacs)

So, yay to Nigeria, trouncing Spain 3-2.

Deca
>It took me *years* to realize that Kate Bush's father in the "Cloudbusting" video was played by Donald Sutherland
But what a wonderful video to a classic song! Even the Utah Saint's use of the sample on "Something good" was way cool.

I just know something good is gonna happen
What's she gonna look like with a bosom for a pillow?
Codsall: showers & 17 * Today's jackpot score: 4-1

So, Leics -v- Essex in the final. That could be a good match. And it does mean July 11 is not going to cause me problems to get to or through London.

byron
29. DO YOU EVER SAVE YOUR AOL CONVERSATION?
There were no conversations when I was on AOL. It was that long ago.
Way back when it was Thirteen Colonies Online? (;

And ~laura's back. Welcome back. Can I let the candle out now?
ON: When do you think Rayanne really realized that she had betrayed Angela?
Watching Angela flirt with Corey, and being blown off by Rickie...

Elvina! Is back!! I'm just nipping downstairs to retrieve my jaw.

Thanks for bearing with me during that break.

Sara on Sunday's basketball
the other night there was a game over here on tv between the bulls and the indians (I believe...I think thats who they were playing)
Let's try the Utah Jazz, coz that's who they were playing. Not that anyone in Utah wants to be reminded of that, but more soon...
The last I seen, the bulls were in the lead by about 13. does anyone know who won????
And now over to James Alexander Gordon for the classified result:
NBA Finals, Game 3. Utah Jazz 54, Chicago Bulls 96.

For non-UK listies, this game was shown on Channel 4, home to Dawson's Creak, Party of Five, and My So-Called Life.

For Americans resident in the UK, do remember that Channel 5 shows live baseball games Sunday and Wednesday nights. That's if you live in their coverage area - I seem to recall neither Colchester nor Brighton can receive the channel via terrestrial analogue transmitters. Sunny Birmingham can receive that telly channel...

I don't really think of myself as a visitor. I mean, I definitely don't think of this as home...but...yeah...I can't explain myself. ah well.
Oddly enough, that's pretty much what I thought you'd say.
Shim?? when is a good date for you?
Good question. When is a good date for shim? Mark?

Now, this is too good to ignore. It's from Christopher England, and originally posted to uk-radio.

This has been asked elsewhere, but no answer has been forthcoming.
There's something that's been bothering me for a month or so now about an ex-number 1 song I am forced to sing in the shower or bath. I imagine bathrooms throughout the country resound to the sound of people involuntarily singing this lyric at the top of their flat voices.
However, I don't know what it means.
I thought I'd bring it to uk-radio as this is full of people who make those important decisions about what appears on the playlists and why.
Thus, I conclude that many of you will be able to leap forward and explain these lyrics, 'cos I'm sure you've got the results of the focus group tests before you put it on the playlist. I know lyrics and a good hook are important in your playlisting, so you will have fully investigated them, surely? Please put me out of my misery, dear playlisters all.
Ok. What the f*ck does this mean, please:-

"What's she going to look like with a chimney on her?"

For details of where this sample came from, take a look at May's chart. Either that, or it's a subtle reference to the imminent arrival in the UK of someone from the area of Dotty & Toto.

Hey! Great Big Sea on Radio 2! NF domination continues apace... the First 50 Years expires in less than 400 days time.....

Oddly enough, GBS don't feature on the first broadcast from two of the leading lights of the Westward Revolution. Hear the radio show put together by erstwhile list members Cutler and Edwards by real audio at http://geocities.datacellar.net/Area51/Rampart/5931/index.html

Bron returns (Whoo-hoo!)
I SAW TELETUBBIES!!!
And another one!!
not just saw it once or twice but every-bloody-day for a month and a half. higly disturbing but i think i'm becoming addicted.
Don't fight it...
dipsy is by far the best dancer
Why, thank you. [blushes]
but i like la la too.
She speaks highly of you, too. Both of them do.

Sara warns us that
we usually get a big surge of subscribers come fall though!!! :)
So, for those of you leaving us now, returning around the time the Colts fall out of StuporBowl contention, do be prepared for the Great Annual Brian -v- Jordan Flame War (III).

Hmm. I thought the last song was familiar. So's the one after it. Why, I do believe the station's tape is on a one hour loop. Rats.

Bron
Miranda Richardson really rocked as Queen Meb
Who's Queenie?!

Mark has a valid point.
protagonists in "teen" dramas such as MSCL and Dawson's Creek are all generally dislikable.
Even young Claudia. Shame on you, script writers.

And the bit above that... daylight robbery is such a hard thing to get over.

Now, I've avoided joining any of the list's subgroups so far. And why change the habit of a lifetime?

An AOHellster writes...
i dunno who the hell u are but youre pissing me off sending me all this shit. would u quit it.
Quite frankly, your lack of manners, punctuation and correct usage of the English language ill-behoves you. Leaving instructions to this list - a list you subscribed to - are enclosed in the header of every message.

Someone called Kristine Stone
Well, im back
Oh good. No odd dreams since you last wrote, I trust.

And now for a quick burst of 20 questions.
why do we still have the [DW] in front of some of the posts?
Some posts go to mail-list and dreamworld: people responding to the dreamworld posts but sending them to both lists will put a [dw] in the subject line.
are we being mirrored again?
No.
How many lists are we?
844. I think.
who is here?
Me, you, and a chicken called Boo.
who is still on netcom?
No-one. Not even byron.
(am I bringing up something that should be better left alone?)
Not really.
just wondering how many addesses I need to put on the TO: part.
Just the one.

Twenty questions continues after the weather forecast.

Codsall's resident Dipsy * Unaffiliated and proud to be so I could be happy. I could be quite naive * Brum: sun & 17

Rain, rain, go away. Come back on Tuesday when we're 1-0 up against South Africa. Except it didn't, and it's a draw. Bah.

Cory, our resident Slayer, returns.
Baseball. The Yankees are playing a hell of a season, and my best friend who I used to play with spent the night, and I've been thinking a lot about how much fun it was, and how much I loved it, and how much I miss it.
Mmm. Way back when, there was a big field behind the house I lived in. And some other kids in the neighbourhood. And we'd play out there most evenings; French cricket, footy, tag, hide and seek.
And the third one may lead to a trip back to Europe, another dream.
I will be waiting. And hoping it's soon.

Deca
It's really weird, on the one hand I think: "Has it really been a *year* already?" On the other hand I think: "Has there ever been a time when I *wasn't* on this list?" :)
I seem to recall that Deca fitted right into a little place on the list, and was part of it straight off. And it's been a year. Doesn't time fly...

Jenn, belated birthday greetings.

Sara
I always laugh when Ross used the word 'lot'. Like..we want two 'lots' of chips. I'm always like..duh, what's a lot?
An amount that's more than a bit, but less than a load.
okay...I'm a dork, and I know it! :)
Nyah, rubbish.

Sara on Geri Exspice
Does she actually think she's going to become an actress?
I think she's looking at presenting an entertainment show. P'raps introducing "Top of the Pops"... "And now, back at Number One, the band I walked out on..."
Ugh..I hate when famous people get all up on themselves, and think that they can do anything. Then again..who knows, maybe she will be a great actress, but I really really doubt it.
I'll tell you what you doubt, what you really really really doubt.
So tell me what you doubt, what you really really really doubt...

Deca
btw, just wanted to say that, even though I don't reply to your posts that much (because most of the time it would be something profound as "me too" or "that was funny"), I read them all and enjoy reading them. Just so you know in times when replies and feedback are rare. :)
Thank you for your kind words. I know that I have a similar problem with your excellent posts sometimes.

Brem on the chucka-can line
I'm glad someone got this one, frankly. It always amuses me.
Amused me enough to buy the record, way back when. Further details of what we're talking about are already on my web site. Just not in the obvious place.

No prizes for guessing who wrote
Cory Falcon Dickason, Tucson, AZ, ATM, although preferably Picadilly Circus
Erm, do you mind awfully moving just a few hundred yards to Leicester Square? Otherwise you'll get footsore from standing around, and battered by small tourists with large rucksacks bumping into you. There are seats in Leicester Square, there's cinemas, the Crapital Radio Cafe, and sometimes there are listee's fiances.
8. WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE MENTOS COMMERCIAL?
The Foo Fighters video. ;)
Kewl! I'd totally forgotten how good that was...
And, I've learned that even *I* can have an impact on people.
[hugs] How right you are.

shim
you might think people come to nyc to see the statue of liberty
Isn't that you and Liz anyway?
oh, and what spice would i be?
Uber-glittery Spice, natch.

shim quotes CD Now
>'if you like kenickie, we think you'll like:
Blur - Blur
Got it.
Fripp/Eno - Essential Fripp & Eno
Brain Eno? Shome mishtake shurely.
Blake Babies - Rosy Jack World
?Who?
Smiths - Hatful Of Hollow
Mozza? Not a chance!
Pearl Jam - I Got Id (Merkinball)
Too late in their career.
Subhumans - 29:29 Split Vision
I'll take their word on that.
Pulp - This Is Hardcore
Not a chance. Pulp's reputation precedes them, and the tracks I've heard are not good. Besides, I got turned off Pulp when one of the groups I was teaching in 96 compared me to Jarvis. ):
Veruca Salt - American Thighs
Slot - Rule Of 45
VA-Punks On Drugs - Punks On Drugs
Not aware of any of these, really.

shim again
oh, the glory of cut and paste when you're bored and dodging housework.
Or, in my case, just work.

Sara
So..my idea is that maybe we could have the get-together here in Colchester, or even, at me and Ross's house (well...his parents house, but you get the idea)
Mmm, interesting idea. Or even, do two separate get-togethers, one at the Rossara's house, and another one in London. Let me know the dates, and I'll be around. Shall I just throw June 20 in the ring and see if anyone bites?

I was going to suggest that the visitors to the UK should have the final say on the date. But then I remembered that includes you, Sara. I'm so used to thinking of you as Sara-in-Colchester that I forget you're Sara-the-American. D'oh!

Zefferelli's Romeo & Juliet. I saw it when we studied the play w-a-a-a-a-y back in autumn 89, and our English teacher used it as the introduction to the play, instead of a class read-through. And, quite frankly, it bored the pants off me. We saw the play at a theatre some weeks later, and that was interesting. As good as the (Ivor Novello award for best film soundtrack winning) Luhrmann version.

Cory
my best friend informed me that I'm actually a teletubby, trapped in my body. La-La, Iain, if you're wondering. ;)
Laa-Laa! Laa-LAA! E-ho!!! [boing] Ook! Laa-Laa ball!!
Of course, you do realise that it looks like you'll have to do battle with shim to be the Laa-Laa of the List...
And yeah, you rock. Totally

So, a reunion MSCL episode? It'll happen, I'm sure of that. But not so soon. Probably not till the 15th or 20th anniversary. Right now is too soon for everyone concerned.

Lixz
2. Three things you'd get into a fight over.
there are NOT libraries with cafes, anywhere
Come to sunny Birmingham! Not only do we have the Hillary Clintern Memorial Statue, not only will I personally guide you round both the tourist attractions (the place Dana International sang, and the place Bill Clintern had a pie and a pint) but we'll stop off for coffee at the cafe on Floor 1 of the Central Library.

The countdown continues... later...

What's snail mail? I don't think I have it * Real-life Rockette
A Dipsy of another place * More hairbrushes! * does strange things
Brum: heavy showers & 16 * Turn your driftnets into skirts

Ah, the thwack of leather on willow. The scent of linseed oil. The crackle of rain pittering on canvas. Welcome to the English cricket season.

Sara
I never thought new york city was all that great. in fact, it scares me to death, and I really really don't ever want to go there. if I ever do, it will simply be to just meet liz :)
That's reason enough. Add to it the other folk from Liz's class, and shim at the college near there, and NY becomes a prime tourist destination.

Huey
i am one of the majorly guilty ones over "peeps" usage. so i'll stop. but "People" sounds scary really. what is the alternative? just saying nothing?
Folks, let me tell y'all something. You guys really are swell, and the lot of you is wonderful. Well, there's four ideas...
the reason for this is a great many Britons are ignorant fools...
That is correct.

And thanks for all the kind words about Canada, too. It's most gratifying to see the western arm and south-facing verandah squabbling amongst themselves in this way. (;

Huey then Sara
>personally, if we think some rich, industrialised nation is the
>"greatest" state in the world, i would say somewhere like Sweden
>or Canada. according to an exhaustive UN report last summer, the
>best place to live is Canada (ranked on about thirty indices
>like political subjects freedom of expression, mortality rates,
>purchasing power parity, health care facilities, legislative
>redress, environmental awareness and so on)
really? Hmm...what about Canadian people ;-) what do you think about this?? do you agree?
Well, as wide-awake listies know, I'm British by passport, Canadian by allegiance. From what I've seen, read and experienced of the two cultures, I find the Canadian is more open, tolerant and welcoming. I've not visited the US, so won't pass judgement on that country. Though if anyone wants to host me, please speak up.

Brem
Chucka-can. Chucka-can. Chucka-chucha-chucka

Well no-one's ever seen what I mean From the age of n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-thirteenmore...

glitterpvc@aohell.com? Quick, where's shim. [scrolls down] Oh. It is shim.
geri has left and that my life must now come to a standstill cuz i will never see the 5 girls at once.
Free at the point of usage: One Pepsi promotional poster from last summer of all five Spices. Apply on the back of 20 pink ring pulls to the sender.
why is that i only need 17 seconds anyway, billy?
Ah, it's a coded message to members of the Frequent Trans-Atlantic Flyers' Club.

• Seventeen seconds is the length of time that in flight entertainment lives up to its billing; after that time, it's either not entertaining, or it's the steward going through the cheerleading routine to point out the emergency exits, and is done on the ground.
• Seventeen seconds is the length of time that in flight meals look appetising.
• Seventeen seconds is a fine length for a trans-Atlantic flight.

Last time, I had a bit of a dig at Shana for rubbishing what comes after the line at the end of the post. For those of you on the reflector list, it's the so-called-help message. For those of us on the digests, it's the next message. So shim writes...
don't keep reading, you know what it will say after this line. it always says the same thing. so don't read it again. you've read it a thousand times. but you're still gonna read it again.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:30:19 PDT
From: "Iain t. Weaver" [weaver693hotmail.com]
Subject: rapatak
Gee, thanks. I know that most of what I write is total guff, but it's not that bad ):

Just for that, here's something from Thursday's People Daily.

Leonardo DiCaprio has a new model-girlfriend reports the New York Post. Alyssa Sourovoya is an 18-year-old from Moscow whom he met at the Manhattan club Moomba on Tuesday night. Sources report that she told friends at around 2 a.m., "Leonardo's going to put me in a cab" -- but he never returned to the club.

Roman
I really do feel better now, I hope it helps me.
[hugs and prickles]

Francis Park
I got a promotionin the field.
Congratulations, Captain!

Sara
the British train systems. I swear, they *Never* check my ticket. Ever.
Really?! I can't join a train at Codsall without someone coming up to me and asking to see my ticket. Unless he's Ross, of course. Or Derek, or Steve, or Ann. But they've all got to know and trust me.

shim poses
what would be your ultimate summer concert bill? you pick whoever you want to perform and you get backstage passes as the show's founder. who's up?
Time to get a bit eclectic. None of that rubbish about "main stage" "second stage" "dance funnel" "four-piece guitar/guitar/drum/organ band from Basildon stage" splits. Just the one stage, like it or wander off and get an over-priced veg burger.

We have to have a grand entrance to get the punters in: cue Dana International to swan about the stage in her feather boa and not much else. And Geri Ex-Spice and Tori join in for the finale, "Diva". Ms Amos can't headline coz she's booked at most of the other festivals organised on this list.

Great Big Sea come next, with their unique brand of whatever it is that they do. Then Eternal's sweet brand of soul, and Natalie Umbrellastand joins Kenickie for a one-off set after that.

The New Country Stars are next: that's a one-time supergroup of Leann, Shania, Trisha, Faith and anyone else passing through. And the Smashing Pumpkins headline, natch.
i want a la-la backpack!
Weaver's clearance sale includes a Big Hug Po. Offers to the usual address.

Goodness, who would have thought that a cheap gag about nude baseball would have sparked so much debate. Eric, thanks for being such a fount of all knowledge. I bow to your wisdom, and picture collection. [Private point. Don't worry. Yet...]

Deca
No matter how much you try to convince them your name is not Brem, they will keep the name alive. If someone doesn't believe me I'd like to remind him/her of the London Get-Together in April this year *g*...
Personally, I only thought of you as Deca, and Brem as Brem. Or the chap with the bag of oranges. There may be other names in life, but they're just not appropriate for your list personality. They're not your list personality.

Anyway, with England doing remarkably well at the cricket, I'll fly on.

A resident Rockette * Does strange things * Dipsy, Julia, me
Codsall: showers & 16 * Posts archive covers five months

Nut biscuits and raspberry ice cream! Following: new CDs, a cunning plan, religion, and nasty crackles on the line. First:

huey
is it important that Geri Halliwell has left the Spice Girls
Depends on what you compare it with. If your yardstick is the situation in South Asia, then no. If, however, your values are the same as BBC Radio 4 (sorry, 92-95FM and 198 LW, B B C Radio Four) on Monday night, then yes.

For the non-Brits, Radio 4 is the BBC's radio news and hard- hitting information station, dedicated to serious topics, serious debates, and serious documentaries. Their lead item Monday was the reasons why some player had been left out of the England squad for the soccer world cup. Apparently, one starts soon...

Scott
And who can forget Meet the Feebles.. the grotesque parody on the muppetshow
Oh. I thought it was one of the British soaps that they put on in primetime.

Sean
6. Three TV shows you'd tape if you couldn't watch.
Black Adder
I have a cunning plan. If you know you're going to be out when the show is on, why not persuade one of your friends to sit down, watch it, and relate the events to you. You could reward him for his troubles with a turnip.

My US CD release list this week features
*THE CORRS - Talk on Corners
You liked Riverdance? Got a soft spot for people with Irish accents singing sweet songs about love? A Fleetwood Mac completist in search of every recording of "Dreams"? Or just fancy the singer something rotten? This is the album for you.

*GLORIA ESTEFAN - gloria!
Kibble was eight years early. Right, RD?more...

*SMASHING PUMPKINS - Adore
Obviously.

*GREAT BIG SEA - Rant and Roar
The best in Newfie folk. With a varied take on "It's the end of the world (as we know it)". And it is.

Brem
And I went to see Kenickie last night too.
I'm not talking to him. He got to see the nik without the help of a power cut. And heard them play. Though they have been featuring a lot on The Wolf recently (:

I'm informed that, back in 1851, the New York Knickerbockers were the first baseball side to wear uniforms. What, if anything, did they wear before that date? And did the Bocks beat the Philadelphia Stark Nakeds in that year's Series?

Sunshine!!!!!! Shana!!!!!!! wrote a lot of exclamation marks, and kinda suggested she was happy. Enough to bring a smile to my face. Then she wrote
wow, what are you doing reading way down here, did you expect something? welp, sorry to disappoint you, the only think that is going below here is that annoying tag. oh well :P
Au contraire, mon ami. Below here is a wonderful post from one of the Lauras. I wouldn't call that annoying in the slightest. Still, this is what happens when people forget about the digests...

Lauren on Geri Ginger Spice
I think she's going to call her Momma crying when she sees what a dismal failure she will turn out to be.
Say You'll Be There to see it happen! And thanks for playing.

Jill's questionnaire asks
39. WHATS YOUR FAVORITE JELL-O FLAVOR?
The sort you can nail to the wall. (Remember where that came from? You're an Overlooked Oldtymer, probably :)

Sara
Our phone lines aren't working :( Who knows why...we've called the phone company here, and they said they were going to come and fix it, and well....they haven't yet. how annoying. although they did say to Ross that they work 24 hours a day so they should have been here by now..but they haven't been :( anyway!!
You use BT, right? We use them at work, for our sins. A "guaranteed four hour fault repair" typically ignores the first twenty hours to get an engineer on site.
everyone goes on and on about how the USA has never lost a war.
USA @ Canada 1812; a 2-0 home win, with the White House burned to the ground to boot. Not exactly the best preparation for the World War Cup. And what about the Civil War; didn't the USA lose that as well (;

Brem
Liz is now an official prophet of the Church of Brem.
Can she make the General Synod when Eli visits the UK over the summer? More to the point, can Brem make that Synod?

Questions, questions, so many questions...

I have moved, and I've kept on moving
Lost the friends I needed losing; found others on the way
Brum: showers & 17 * Quis "gazzam" est?

Well! Five Become Four, as Geri Ginger Spice suddenly Stop!s being a Spice as she's had Too Much. So she Steps To It, the Wannabe tv star talks with Ginger Evans (Who Does She Think She Is?) in an effort to Spice Up Her Life. And if you can work the missing single title into that narrative, please let me know!

Brem
But they don't play Mogwai on Radio 2.
They will, if you ask. Nicely.

Sara
I rock because....I'm a lot of fun, more so in person
I can vouch for the truth of this. And, look, I will.

Nichole on Dutch weather
but I think the weather would be perfect for me there.. it rarely gets too cold, or too hot :)
From experience, I know that Dutch weather is very similar to Essex weather, and almost the same as Codsall and Birmingham weather. So I can totally agree with what Nichole says. It rarely gets too hot here; but when it does, it's humid hot, and it's insufferable. And it's not been really cold since new year 96. If you think it has been cold, I suggest taking a trip to St John's over Christmas.

Matt McGuire
"ethnic" background: Canadian???
We're all Canadian. Just like everyone on MSCL is gay. Except Rickie, of course.
How many are excited for the Smashing Pumpkins new album to come out?
Weaver would raise hand at this point, only there's no point, coz I'm listening to it now. And it's fab. Though I think I'll have to wait till it's cold to enjoy it properly. So, back into storage it goes, till autumn starts in about eight weeks.

Huey
also, i'd like to take this opportunity to laugh at Newt Gingrich.
You don't need an opportunity. You can do it any time.

Sara quotes Matt
>Football--Denver Broncos
what?!?! not the packers?? ;-)
Hey, give the chap a chance. Just coz they beat your side once, somehow, last January... Besides, [Mystic Mug mode = on] look out for the Side To Watch: the Atlanta Falcons. Oh, sorry, I think my tea-leaves are getting mixed up with some soap suds.

Brandy
Anyway, Jeremy is in my thoughts today, and I miss him now just as much as I ever did.
[hugs]
Thanks for sharing...

Deca
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", which isn't a play but you could make one out of it.
Actually, there is a stage version of HHGG in existance; I think it toured the UK around 1980. Not seen it myself...

Kori
I got Waddle, the penguin, my first beanie baby ever!
Whoop! I have a couple of beanies. Bette is just visiting, from ALI - and will remain so until her official parent comes and collects her. Hey, it's cruel to send these creatures back in the post! She lives with Arrowtail, a funky lizard. Of course, her real name is Kominsky Where The Buffalo Sabres Rattle And Roll Your Bunt Into Left Field Park. Only that's a bit of a mouthful, so I call her Arrowtail. For obvious reasons.

Lixz
Oh wow! I don't think I've prickled anyone before...I love you Iain.
Love you too Liz.
[dewey eyed moment]
But wait! Don't we have a list to entertain?
I'm a wallpaper to boot. Fun!
Thanks for allowing me to move the ObLizWallpaperPlug up the post http://geocities.datacellar.net/Heartland/Valley/8414/wwwfw.htm Iiiiif you'd be so kind...

Roman
I rock because I'm lucky enough to have all of you :-)
Weaver thinks for a minute.
Hear the gears grinding, smell the smoke.
Damn, he's right.

Lixzagain
Ohh...but i think Iain would be a good rockette!
In that case, I get no option. See my new sig. At the end of the post. No, don't all rush off and read it now. Oh. You did. And spent ten minutes trying to find your place again. Just be glad you're not reading The Monthly Summaries.more...
It's probably more of an attitude than anything else, and I can see it. Huh.
Aw, shucks. I think.
Then again I'm a freak. Pay no attention to the girl behind the monitor.
If you say so...

This news just in. Police in New Yawk were called Saturday to a fire caused by a pair of burning pants. The garment, owned by a Ms Wrigley Field of the city, spontaneously combusted for reasons yet to be established. City Chief Of Blatantly Obvious Statements Carla Patronising: "Ms Field's blaze is just the latest in a long line of spontaneous clothing blazes. We don't recommend wearing pants if you work near a gas station, or have drunk water in the past 24 hours."

Jaime
I hate late people.
One of my friends was ALWAYS late. I'd call it "running on Trina time." If we were supposed to meet somewhere at 8, I would say be there at 6:30, and she'd usually still be late. I never make plans with her anymore.
When did my sister change her name to Trina?

Now, at this point in my files, I come across Byron digests 7-199 and 7-200. They're from some other list. And here's all the interesting points to be made from them.

[Teacher's note: Weaver, this is the second post running you've blatantly left a huge gap just to make your work seem longer. Stop it at once!]

Sorry.

Brem
British Telecom charges hilarious rates for local calls, making it impossibly expensive.
What's worse is that those areas that do have cable (Codsall isn't amongst them: roll on digital tv :) have free calls to other cable subscribers. Between 8 and 8 and over weekends. Subject to terms and conditions, which include Not To ISPs.
As I say, roll on DTTV.
Side point: Kenickie's wonderful, fantastic *soul-destroying* new single has only got to number 36. Frankly, the entire human race is a cretinous moron, and deserves to die.
What's worse is that it hasn't even made the GWR Group Shitely Top Thirty. Oops, did I just suggest that it's not just voted for by listeners to GWR / 2CR / 210 / Mercia / Beacon / [insert your "local" GWR station here]? I think I did. Waste of good phone calls.
And as if that wasn't bad enough, the 'Nick's gig at the Varsity was called off Saturday due to a power cut. There's only so long we can stand in the dark, holding our breath, listening to someone sing through a loudhailer.

~Laura
Keep a candle burning for me.
It's lit.

Lixz
Unless Brits really do compare every exciting thing that happens to having lunch with the queen.
I've never had lunch with the queen. Though I expect to have lunch with the President of the USA when she visits in a few weeks time.
Because it's so arbitrary to pick a certain act on the continuum of stuff that people do and say...okay, this is a very important dividing line between purity and impurity or adult and child or whatever.
And why should it be sex? Why shouldn't it be something else, like - ooh - walking ten miles. Or missing the last bus after a concert. Or watching the whole of a night football game. By the last definition, I'm still a child (:

Marissa
I'm back again, for a while
Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome ba-a-a-a-a-ack.

Now, that sig in full.

Iain * Does strange things * Brum: wet & 16
A Julia of another list * A Dipsy! of another place
Official Rockette * Mapper of Hyde Park * Wallpaper extrodinaire
No snowflake falls in the wrong place * More hairbrushes!