There are very few things I agree with Sara about. Regular readers will know this. Maybe the third is
who cares if we're the best list? why can't we just be equal?
Even better, why can't this list be as good as we can make it? Then who'll give a flying buttress about any other list? So long as we're as good as we're gonna get, no-one can ask for any more.

In Dictionary Corner, it's Deca
Iain T.Weaver's name could be rearranged to, the "best" I could come up with was "eer, a wave, ain't I?"
Which, sadly, isn't an anagram of my name, but of I Taanie Weaver, my half-Dutch half-Scottish cousin who makes things out of leather. So, advantage keyoneohthree. Would the Susie Dent of the list care to confirm that?

I've been in Liberty for not quite one and a half years now, which means I'm not a newbie anymore, but I'm still not around long enough to be an overlooked oldetymer. So what am I then?
I don't know. Would you be a Deca?

mrs jetson is, of course, jane

Carathay
There are all kinds of reasons for someone to "cheat", and some of them are pretty good.
I'd really like to hear some of these good reasons to cheat, coz I don't reckon they exist.

keyoneohthree
in relation to administrative duties, such as kicking someone out, or the like.
You'd be surprised at how small a part of the admins' role that is. It's the part that stirs up all the feeling because it's an unusual event. Most of the admin work is making sure posts are getting through, subbing and unsubbing people on request, and making sure that everything is ship-shape and Bristol fashion. Turfing people out is a once-in-a-year event, maybe.

this list should be able to evolve to new people and situations.
Great point. Do you have any evidence that it's not? As a relative newcomer, you'll have a better viewpoint on that than someone who's been around since the invention of the wheel.

it just seems like the ideas are being shut down because of some form of discrimination.....
There are three areas of reason why your ideas aren't being acted on. 1) They don't have enough merit to be practicable - I'd class the concept of rotating admins under that category. At work, we have a rota to answer calls to our help desk, but people still call up individuals out of turn to try and expedite their call. The same thing will happen with this. It's human nature.

2) They have merit, but would be an upset we can do without. This list has only been on its current server for six months. The admins have been through one hell of a learning curve, and it's been made ten times worse by the anti-social elements at the outset. I can see a bunch of perfectly good reasons to defer change until the list's bedded down some more.

3) They're being dismissed because they come from you. Can you find any evidence to back up this line above and beyond the others?

If there's anything in class 3, it's discrimination - acting on an idea based on who puts it forward, not what it is. If there are things in classes 1 or 2, they're not discrimination. They would have been nay-sayed no matter who wrote it.

put it up to the list. let them vote on it.
Government by referendum. As far as I know, it's only been tried in Switzerland, and that country flip-flops between one policy and another with every change in wind direction (well, almost). It's also a very insular country: not in NATO, not part of the EU or even the UN. I don't think that's the example we want to follow.

We want to be able to discuss fun things, not have every post going into great depth about the way we should do things, then the way we should do the way we should do things. It would turn into a most boring or confusing -- probably both -- list before we knew where we were.

i don't have a desire to "radically change the list." I have a desire to make it better so it won't take as much shit from people.
Interesting. Ultimately, your goal is to change the list in such a way that it won't take bad feeling from a few people. But doesn't this just play into their hands? Give them the sense that they can win anything, even though they don't care two figs about this list?

Moreover, would not the changes you propose reduce the difference between this list and others on similar topics? At a time when just about every corporation is striving for strong brand identity, why should we dilute our unique status and high quality just to appease a crank or two?

BUt i DO have the right to suggest what will make things better. or is that also taken away from me
You have the privilege of making suggestions to improve the list. It would be possible for the admins to firmly squash such suggestions: it would be possible for them to pre-read every post and cut out everything they find offensive, boring, or over-uses the letter "r".

Betsy
I jsut got a letter from my Richard, my darling, my fiance, saying that he is now seeing someone.
OK, here's the details for a DIY thermonuclear device. Please ensure he's at Lester B. Pearson airport before you detonate it; let's get rid of two wastes of space with one blast...

(Note to GCHQ. This is a joke. Please laugh. Now.)

They were pretty good friends before. And they dated before too.
I can't honestly claim to have experienced the latter statement but there are wondering moments...

Gosh, when I read his letter I started crying. Is that stupid of me?
No.

I'm stuck on some guy who lives a freaking thousand miles away.
You're not the only one in that boat. Just be glad it's only a thousand miles... There are two options here, really. One: take time out, and eventually look for someone else. Two: don't get over him, just get even. Both have their advantages and down-sides. It's not for me to recommend one over the other.

And then it gets worse.
Corner kick at 23.5 seconds. I'm so mad that they're not stopping the clock to give us time.
Won't happen, unless the ref views the defensive play that led to the corner as a timewasting tactic. In which case, he books the defender. Never happens.

The ball was kicked, the goalie had it, somehow (I don't know how), the goalie dropped it, it went in. One ref counted it as a goal, and I guess another didn't.
It's the don't know how that's crucial. If the drop was a goalie's error, then the goal counts. If the drop followed interference - effectively, any contact from your side - then it's foul play and a free kick to the defence. If it's unclear, then refs tend to give the benefit to the defence - the Laws offer no advice on the matter. But then, the Laws don't sanction penalty shoot-outs.

Becky
"Should I stay or should I go now?" (the Kinks? the Ramones? I forget who it was - I'll bet Iain knows)
Yip. The Clash, with UK Number One #660 (91.03.01, 2 wks)

I can't even remember the last post I made to the list.
Well, I last responded on 09.23 ("catch up"), giving an upper bound of 5 weeks.

Sara on name changes after marriage
the point is..they just assume that I do, whereas at home you basically always have to ask, cause you never know.
To be fair, it is almost expected for the womin to change her surname to accord with the husband's. It's still quite unusual for this not to be the case, even though I'm doing my bit to encourage that.

hey, hey, I LIKE that bootie call song!!!
May you be forgiven for that. On its own, it's pisspoor. When we remember it comes from the same folk who gave us "Never Ever", I kinda despair.

England is fine, as long as I don't have to live here.
I'm not going to argue with that.

Chris Hall (is that is?) has a radio show, and it is SO boring. LOL - the last episode that I saw (ok..so I was feeding toby, ad couldn't change the channel) anyway..he said that he had lost half a million viewers, or around there. gosh, I wonder why!!!
Actually, the guy's name is Cliff Evans (I think), and an hour of his radio station's breakfast show (yeah, he owns it) airs on SKY ONE each morning, for no apparent reason. For an even less apparent reason, it's repeated that lunchtime on the telly.

those listening figures in full

Oi! Morissette! Haven't the royalty cheques come through yet? Or should we just start hawking round the Ottawa Dance Sensation tapes again and really blackmail her?

Sara on some crappy driving tester
he lied about something that I had done, and so I didn't get my license :( and then when me and my mother tried to discuss it with him, he said, I will not discuss this any further and walked away.
At least you guys get to discuss it. We're just told what went wrong, the outline reasons, and that's it. There is no appeals structure, and only one (Government-owned, natch) agency allowed to conduct tests. Even if the tester is clearly incompetent, there's no chance of even a refund of the test fee. I'm not aware of any attempt to pursue a claim through legal processes. Now that would be interesting.

I think Neve Campbell is VERY pretty, but then..I don't think posh spice really looks like her.
You didn't see the promotional material for "Stop", if I remember correctly. The two were total twins at the time.

keyoneohthree, on impeachment
it's a trial though (or hearing or something) right? they haven't kicked him out of ofice yet. or have i got the meaning of impeach wrong?
'Fraid so. Impeachment is the process by which the president or other public figure is removed from office. It starts with the charge sheet - the Articles of Impeachment - being laid down. That's how far the Clintern case has got. Next is a consideration of whether there's enough merit in those charges to warrant a full impeachment hearing; the House will debate that later. If they approve, the full impeachment trial takes place in the Senate. They must vote by a 2/1 margin to convict in order to force Bill out of office.

Impeachment isn't the actual eviction from office, but the total process leading to that event.

dvd has sound quality over CD,
The difference between DVD and CD is marginal, unlike the clear advantage CD has over vinyl.

AND it also plays CDs!
That's another reason not to bother with the format, oddly. It will play CDs, there's no real sound quality improvement, everything on DVD is also available on another, cheaper format. There's no future for it as hi-fi equipment.

Chelle
when i was in high school and took drivers ed
Excuse me? Tax dollars are going to prop up the planet-destroying monster that is the automobile industry? And by encouraging this dependence on inefficient means of transport amongst impressionable youngsters? If you young people want to learn to drive, you should do it in your own time and pay for it out of your own pocket.
[You don't pay US taxes - Anglocentric Ed]
Curses. Bang goes another good argument. Seriously, though, I'm amazed that there isn't a bigger stink kicked up about this.

Nichole and Sara have pointed out the slow, tense starts to turning an on-line to a real-life relationship. Mine's a bit faster. After travelling for the better part of 24 hours, spewing up on landing at Toronto, and dozing to Big Band Special on the plane, I finally land at St John's, at 1 in the morning. Find ALI, almost fall asleep on her shoulder while she chats to a uni friend and I wait for my bag to unload. Finally drive out, make a coffee, make small talk. And just before collapsing into a sofa-bed, we split the most wonderful, life-affirming, iloveyoutotallyand utterlyforever hug. Just about an hour after landing, and a hug that's still with me eighteen months on.

And Hallowe'en in the UK. It's not a big thing, though the creeping pincers of Commercialism and Americana have sparked it a little in recent years. The main celebration this time of year is Bonfire Night, on November 5, marking the failed attempt to blow up Parliament in 1605. A group of Catholic plotters, led by Robert Catesby, were peeved that the English throne had been given to the Scots king James, and would much sooner have seen his Catholic cousin. Their theory was that if they could blow up the King, then the throne would pass to their nominee. So, they decided to blow him up, and take the rest of Parliament with them, by targetting the one time each year when the King visited Parliament.

Only, they tipped off a few Catholic Lords to stay away. Lord Effingham wondered why he shouldn't go, and tipped off the security guards at Westminster. They searched the cellars on the night before, and found lots and lots of gunpowder and Guy Fawkes, the look-out for the plotters. Asleep at his post.

Over the centuries, the night has turned from a ritualised demonising of all things Catholic to an excuse for a bonfire to burn wood and the autumn's debris, and let off lots of fireworks.

Just one week to go...

Brum: windy & 11

First: the Oakland Raiders: an apology. In a pre-season post, discussing the NFL this year, readers may have inadvertantly concluded that I thought the Raiders stood no chance this season. Comments such as "they'll never beat anyone of merit" and "the phrases 'oh' and 'sixteen' spring to mind" may have led readers to the inaccurate conclusion that the Oakland side were in for a miserable few months. I'm happy to take this opportunity to set the record straight, and point out that I've never doubted their capacity to blow a nine-point lead with two minutes to play. Er, I mean, qualify for the post-season. Yeah. That's it.

Sara ponders
why do people have to go around saying..oh this [..] is better than that one?
Too much ego. Too much pride. And, ultimately, an insecurity that maybe the thing that they have really is inferior.

I just can't not post on something that I have something to say something about (gosh..how many somethings is that *grin*)
At least 844, at the last count.

they're just trying to address teheir letters in teh 'right' way..
And failing: see my most recent post for the details from Debretts.

it really gets to me. even my grandmother did it yesterday!
Then she must be informed that you don't like it. Which is far worse than it being wrong.

calling me Mrs. Ross MacDonald, IS saying that...even if they are just trying to be so-called PC and polite.
If it offends you, it's not polite. End of story. And what's the politically correct way to refer to someone, if not in a way that doesn't hurt their feelings?

I thought I would visit [Calif] before deciding to live there.
A certain logic to that. Though if you guys can stand the wind and rain, there's always a welcome here.

I like Lacey Chabert, but in that movie..Lost in Space, or whatever the hheck it ws called...she was just SO gross. her hair was so greasy throughout the entire movie
True, but are we going to hold that against her? Hint: no.

I blame the television, AND his parents. because they should be teaching him different.
Indeed they should. Like, totally. There's no excuse for not doing everything possible to inform of the Absolute Wrongness Of Inflicting Pain.

The Wixzard of Salliwoo: big hugs and baaaing sheep.

Flix
the flag things they have are on these skimpy brown sticks so you can't even SEE WHERE THE CURB IS....or where the sticks are for that matter
Not a smart way to do things. Over here, parallel parking is tested in a real-life situation, with two real cars, a real kerb, and a real space about 25% longer than your car. I've only ever done it in the car park of the test centre, but it's as good a test situation as you're going to get.

Priestess SuperCory! The Mighty Max of the Laa-Laa of the Deserts!!
The World's Greatest Teenage Superhero Of The List turns 16 today.
And happy birthday to you all.

With the exception of Raynie post-Other People's Daughters, I'm now older than the MSCLers.
Even Jordan held back two years?

keyoneohthree
remove the ban on speaking in public about the fight.
There is no ban as you state. The only bar is on posting on topics related to this dispute in a fighting manner. That is a much smaller restriction, and one that needs not be acted on if everyone posts with due care and attention to etiquette.

The license arrangement: this touches on something that went around three months back. You have a copyright in your post, just from creating it. By posting it to a mailing list, you're giving implicit permission to allow partial reproduction for the purpose of comment - unless you specify otherwise. You are entitled to block the reproduction or storage of the whole post, if you so choose, and the person storing it would be liable for the whole cost. Which, if they used your poetry or lyrics for a #1 hit, would be quite substantial.

If i choose to post poetry, music, or lyrics, they are to remain in thier original form. 100% NO EDITING WHATSOEVER PERMITTED WITHOUT ASKING MY PERMISSION AHEAD OF TIME.
In order to avoid confusion or future bad feeling, it would be advisable to make this explicit for appropriate posts.

Sara ponders the deep questions
Why on earth can't they just leave us alone?
I think I touched on this at the start of the post

see some of the heart logos at i t v - tv from the heart

well, I always write from the heart
That's odd. The new slogan for ITV, the federal commercial tv network in the UK is "i t v - tv from the heart". They'll be using break bumpers with the heart motif from the new year, and really going for the big branding. Only, they've been beaten by Sara - writing from the heart.

On the topic of Bridlington
is it anywhere near me?
Not really. It's about 200 miles up the coast, half way to Scotland.

keyoneohthree speaks of people who
become(in)famous for thier actions or being contraversial (such as madonna's "Like a Prayer" era
I don't know about the US, but over here Madge became a League 1 star as early as 1985's "Desperately Seeking Susan". A few tour dates in '87 kept her stock high, and while the video for "Like a Prayer" was wonderful - not a patch on the song, coz that is a classic - it was the start of the turning of her into a figure of fun, the Very Model of a Modern Major Popstar. Two years later, the press moved on to the Very Model of a Modern Minor Royal, but that's a whole other topic.

between here and the clash came: enigma "sadeness part one" - 91-01-13, 1 wk; queen "innuendo" - 91-01-20, 1 wk; klf "3am eternal" - 91-01-27, 2 wks; the simpsons "do the bart man" - 91-02-10, 3 wks

of course, i don't exactly see green day influencing the next ____ either
That would be Green Day, the almost exact transfer of the Sex Pistols into the 90s? They'll influence some group, maybe without knowing it.

oboz fm dawn patrol reference

emily! shimelle! anyone else who has done it!

clintern (i like that) isn't being impeached yet,
Yes he is. The House of Reps will consider the Articles of Impeachment after the election break.

i still don't think messing around on his wife is an impeachable offence. bringing down the office, sure.
But messing on his wife does bring down the office, and that is an impeachable offence by itself.

dvd is kicking ass and taking names here....
Ohmygawd, Britain just killed DVD!

in fact, it may be the new audio standard as well.
I'd be surprised if the British consumer can be persuaded to junk the CD collection, especially without the benefits in sound quality that CD has over vinyl.

flat/widescreen digital tv is stil at least 5 years away from mainstream
Widescreen digital tv sets are down for a UK launch within weeks. Flat widescreen would be less of an advancement than that, but is still set for launch within 18 months.

there were something around 500,000 dvd players sold, compared to the 100,000 each of cd players and laserdisc machines in thier first year
In the UK, laserdisc has never caught on at all - I'd be surprised if there are 10,000 players in private hands. After launch, I recall CD shipping huge units within 18 months, and having a great public awareness. Right now, just about no-one here knows about DVD, and even fewer care for it. There's not the pent-up demand for it, like there was with the video, CD, or digital tv.

the spice girls, as i understand it, were a studio project. they were MEANT to be the way they were (all 5). the record company let someone completly create an image, picked people who he thought could sing and still looked good (even i liked posh spice, before she cut her hair she was HOT!),
Now she looks like Neve Campbell. I'll leave the reader to decide whether this is a good or bad thing.

and sent them into the recording studio to sing a bunch of songs other people wrote
Sessions that never took place. They parted company from their manager and RCA records, eventually signed with Simon Fuller and Virgin records, and recorded a new album, which later became "Spice".

it may be different now, but when the project was started in 1994 or 1995, the spice girls were _ALMOST_ total sham...
Then they spent eighteen months on a total promo tour. Start by breaking in the far east, hit the ground running in the UK, take out Europe before tackling the US in '97.

well, i guess since spiceworld (the record and the movie) bombed, they are paying those dues now.
Sorry, why is there this impression that "Spice World" the CD has bombed? It's shifted 5 million units in the US, 1.5 M in the UK, and is still selling great guns a year after release. If that's a flop album, I'd like a few of those!

Zelia
I actually saw a documentary of the way the english form the boy groups. It was this group called upside down or something like that (just after take that broke up).
Mmm, almost. Upside Down was manufactured in late 1995, just before the That split. The documentary aired in Jan 96, at the same time as the release of their first single. Said single rose from 36 to 11, then went straight back down and we've not heard from the since. They split before 96 was out.

Andi has a girlfriend.
[thud]
This post will now continue from a prone position on the floor.

OK, so it won't. I can't reach the keyboard.

Brum: wet & 15 * icq 14441391 * keeper of Brian's calendar

Roy
I saw the Queen yesterday and she made a really long speech.
One's husband and one is sorry about the inconvenience this caused to you. Here's something more interesting.

Sarah K
South Park (shut up Cartman!!)
Ohmygod! She told Cartman to shut up! If I could find a wind- up Cartman in the stores, I'd be doing the very easy task of winding it up (your mom's a crack whore, you've an alien's probe up your ass, your **** ****d **** your ****) and watching it jump about. Sadly, I've not seen a wind-up Cartman. There is no other sort.

The Yankees!!!!!!!!!
Ob rather good this year, weren't they. Heck, I may only have been following the sport for a few years, but this is the greatest side I've encountered. By a country mile.

bad use of apostrophes (like putting them in plurals),
That really bug's me a's well, 'so it doe's.

Emily
my parents gave me my mom's last name as a middle name, and my dad's last name as my last name (they didn't want to do the hyphin thing). Which means I have a pretty unusual middle name
Is it mandatory at your school to have an unusual middle name? Or just an unusual name in total. Ob Lixz Wrigley Field moment. I've not had any of those since - ooh - last post.

Maaaaaaark
If you are unsure how to do this, (and if you are, then I truly despair) I direct you to Iain "Weaver"'s long digest posts. This is the perfect example of how to edit posts....
Why, thank you. [blushes]

Just think, Iain's on digest - if he just pressed reply and added his response on the end, we would be inundated with stuff we'd all seen!!!!!
And you'd be seeing ten or twelve straight digests at the end of every post. Within a week, I'd be posting over 1Mb per mail, with some items included four times. By the end of a year, it would be a post of around 125Mb. The same size as Windoze 95.

Mark - who really needs to lie down
Maybe, Mark - who really needs some company right now.

Sara on nomenclature
well, for one thing, everyone over here assuming that I did change it.
You did, didn't you? It's still unusual here to find someone who wishes to be known by her maiden name after marriage; it's even more unusual to have both people change their names.

and the second thing is, whenever we get cards and stuff, they are addressed to Mr. and Mrs. R MacDonald. Ugh...no, I am not the female version of Ross, I am Myself.
Can't argue with this one. According to Debrett's, the ultimate guide to British etiquette, the correct form of address is Mr and Mrs Smith, or (Mr) Joseph and (Mrs) Kathy Smith.

Now here's a thought... Flytrap meets Friends. Inspired by this from Sara
according to clinton, he did not sleep with Monica. of course, we all know that hes lying
Well, if Clintern slept with Monica, then I suspect some of her friends would know about it. Ross, you're her sister, has she told anything to you? Rachel, you share a flat with her. Any evidence of used protectives in the trash?

Mae
"Under the Bridge" and "Bootie Call" have made it to the islands.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you forgive us.

~Laura
I used to think that [..] I would not be judged for having friends on both sides. I was wrong.
Who is passing such judgements? Name them, shame them.

That is why I left mail-list recently.
I'm sorry to hear that you've felt it necessary to leave, so quietly and leaving a noticeable hole in the list. Especially in circumstances that may not reflect facts as they are.

I would like to invite anyone to follow me to dreamworld where you can even name call the admin and not be kicked off. Where you are not penalized for having an unpopular opinion.
These ideals appear to have been voided by recent correspondence that I've been forwarded.

and, no, i don't think that the admin at dreamworld is acceptible for me.

Be honest with yourselves, don't you miss it?
Do I miss the namecalling, the flame wars, and the petty vindictive streaks? Sure, I miss it. And I want to stay missing it.

if heart had a web site, it would be linked here. draw your own conclusions.

Faith Hill: has been known to strum along in an acoustic set like the one on Heart yesterday morning.

it's just that now lewinski is all anyone knows.
Well, the Starr report was only concerned with l'affaire Lewdwinsky, Clintern's only being impeached as a result of that, so Lewdwinsky is all that the impeachment hearings are about. Yes, it's bad fortune for Clintern that Starr was already looking into Whitewater and the Paula Jones case, but that's the way of the world.

anyone ever notice that if you add the right punctuation mark and put spaces in the right places, "Iain T. Weaver" becomes "I ain't Weaver?"
You have too much time on your hands (;

don't ban people from here for mentioning dreamworld.
I am not aware that such a ban was in force, and if there were, I'd be fighting to remove it. That I choose not to give publicity to a domain I do not wish to deal with is a personal decision, and should not be construed in any way as being representative of any list policy.

chelle on DVD
dead in the water? hardly.
'Fraid so. There's a last-gasp promotion on at the moment for "the future of video", but it's being totally swamped by the introduction of domestic digital tv. In the UK, DVD is a small niche market, like laser disc; not the large niche that the promoters want.

-Liz, hi, good to see you around. Remind me not to confuse you with our esteemed leaderine, Lixz Wrigley Field. [/oblixz]

Will I ever get through a post without mentioning Lixz? Tune in same bat-time, same bat-channel, to find out.

Codsall: sunny & 12 * also: more lies and surviving a tidal wave

Sasha
does anyone else think they look like Angela?
Weaver half-raises a hand. My hair-tuck is a direct theft from Ms Chase, but (apparently) my smiles are also like sun breaking from behind clouds. Don't see it myself, but.....

Sara
I normally live in Wisconsin, and hopefully I will be going back there soon!
California off for the moment, then?

I had a cd...I'm not sure if I still have it, cause I think my sister Sheila stole it (not sure) but anyway..I used to have one anyway.
A cd or a sister? (;

shim
back in kansas until 15 may, 1999
d-day + 1461 (hey, exactly 4 years!)

Steve
Could someone please tell me what Cantabulosah means?
Seeing as how I put it atop a post, I think this is my department. It means: whatever you want it to mean. My intention was to use it as a crescendo of appreciation, as a circus ring master might call out: Caaan-taaaab-uuuuuu-losah! Others may have a different interpretation.

keyoneohthree
prosecuting a breech of contract suit against a guy who cheats is kinda like prosecuting yourself for attempted murder when you try to kill yourself.
Not quite. Bringing a breach of contract against someone (er) breaching a contract is your (ah) contractual right. And, in some cases, a contractual obligation to protect others. No matter whether that's buying a Big Mac, repairing a window or committing yourself sexually. A contract is a contract.

Shobi, some very plausible comments about the reasons behind this list being a centre for romantic attachment. I prefer not to dig too deeply into the reasons behind this, in case I analyse it so much it ceases to exist.

sara and ross, myself and ali

the member for staffordshire north is huey at keele uni

Shannon
if you could have an entire city depopulated to explore with a friend for one week, what city would it be, and what would you do?
Paris, to marvel at the architecture. Or Venice, or Rome. Some cities are, like, ruined by people. Others, like London, New York or St John's, are nothing without people.

Brooks
If you could take a photo of any everyday thing, something that everyone could get or already would prolly have, what would it be?
I think I'd take a very detailed picture of the people's living space. See what possessions they have, and what we can tell about them.

And that is the conclusion of this Brookscast in color.
This is weaver.posting, from the Midland transmitters of the St John's Connexion.

Roy
in the last episode (in the girl's toilets), Rayanne says that she has no friends.
And is flatly contradicted within moments.

What was going on in Angela's head when she got in the car with Jordan at the end of the series? I mean, she never takes her eyes off of Brian, but at the same time she is walking away from him, why?
Good question. My take is that Angela is very, very confused, bemused, and gladdened by the conversation she's just had. She needs time to think it over; she doesn't get that time, but will certainly see Brian in a new light. And maybe she's going off to figure out Jordan isn't the god she's cracked him up to be.

Thanks for the suggestions for contempory poets. Who is Jewel?
Jewel is an Alaskan singer/songwriter/poet, who shifted 12 million copies of her debut album "Pieces of You" in the States, and about 12 in the UK. It's well worth checking out, and the best single features on weaver.radio, the closest thing this list has to a soundtrack. Yes, I know it's further off that than I am from most of you, but at least it's a start... And a competition starts with this weekend's show.

Roman
I'm also mad that they're showing "Halloween" next week, I hate it when they show reruns this early.
Do remember: November is Sweeps Month, and as one of WB's Top 5, they want Buffy to do very well. If that means one week's re- runs before, I'd suggest living with it.

"dvd employed regional copyright protection, so that discs bought in the us couldn't be played in the uk; the makers even brought cases against enterpreneurs who imported us players, claiming this incited breaches of licensing agreements. with the consumer attention at the time focussed on digital tv, followed within a year by digital radio, it was no wonder dvd failed." - from the electronic telegraph's technoturkey column, jul 15, 2001.

Steve
Who are you? As in how old, where are you,
Answers to these on my web site, where you'll find a lot more about me than I can fit into this answer.

and what are you doing with your life.
Answers to this would be gratefully received.

keyoneohthree
play a REAL instrument AND write thier own songs
I'll reiterate. As far as I'm concerned, the voice is a real instrument. It's far more difficult for me to play that than (say) a guitar.

some people are really good singers. The spliced girls are not among them.
In your opinion. Personally, I reckon their harmonies are as good as any other act around.

and wasn't bobby mcferin the guy who wrote "don't worry, life's crappy?"
Wrote every word, performed every note.

if any of those ppl / groups had any REAL talent as preformers, they should at LEAST be able to do more than one thing at the same time
The Spices: sing, dance, entertain and engage in between-song banter.
Faith Hill: sings, writes, and has been known to strum along in an acoustic set - like the one on Heart yesterday morning. And engages in intra-song banter.
What, I wonder, would well-known rock acts have contributed? They sing, they write, they strum, but I wouldn't say they put on an entertainment all the time. And if they're not entertaining, then they will lose audience for something more fun.

i'm just saying that it takes more to play an instrument as opposed to just singing
Absolutely. It takes more to use the voice as an instrument, rather than "just sing".

it doesn't change the fact that they have no talent.
They're talented singers, dancers and actors.

>we can't go about punishing people for cheating on thier wife
Oh yes we can!

the crime would be bringing the office of president into disrepute, NOT cheating on his wife. see?
The crime is bringing the office into disrepute by cheating on his wife. If he hadn't cheated, he wouldn't be facing this enquiry.

i thought daylight was for the summer months
It is. Daylight savings time ends this coming Sunday at 2am local time. Don't forget to put your clocks back! [Information valid only in areas supporting EU/Can standard daylight savings time. Void where defined in law. Your kilometerage may vary.]

there are others who have different beliefs here, like wicca, or what most people would call witchcraft, for which the god fearing christians burned people at the stake
You make it sound as though this is part of history. From last night's Express and Star, I learn that a Baltimore school suspended a pupil for allegedly casting a spell on another pupil. The suspended pupil, a self-acknowledged believer in Wicca, crossed out names graffittied on a tree and wrote "Is life a virtue of death?" For this, she's been chucked out on her ear, until people pointed out that this was not meant as a threat.

x-mas (the christians stole that date, by the way. i believe it's originally called "solstice," kind of a celebration of winter's coming.
The Christmas rituals started as an adaptation of the Roman festival / orgy of Saturnalia, eight days of debauchery on the days up to the winter solstice. Then got nicked by the God Squad.

it is not known, if christ actually existed, when he was born
Best guess is on or about 15 September, 4 BC. Which means this is (whirrs fingers and toes) 2001, and you've Missed The Millennium. Praise the Lard!

Benjamin
Favorite actors/actresses: Claire Danes, Lacey Chabert
Hey, the other Chabert fan! Hello, there.

the memorial site

Sara
I don't think that you can just say that tv, or any other thing that people may see/watch, doesn't affect it.
That's not what I'm saying. My point is that television is not the sole cause of all society's problems.

I don't think anyone is going to teach him any different.
And you blame television for that?

if they never learned to notice that one person was black, and the other was white, or one person was female, and the other male etc. and get pre-conceived notions about them, then what would they have to decide for themselves? they wouldn't...they wouldnt' even think about it at all.
A fine Utopian ideal; sadly, that's where it will stay.

I learned in high school taht 85% of a kids personality lead directly back to their parents
Which leaves a maximum of 15% to be influenced by (say) TV. Slightly contradicting your earlier point.

we were thinking more of November sometime - maybe towards the end of November?
See you then, I expect...

Hey, Lauren, hugs.

Mae
I find myself appreciative of music by the Spice Girls, Backstreet Boys, and All Saints.
It's a shame about the Saints. Their recent singles have been an utter pile of pants. Thankfully, you guys in NAm are still on the sublimely wonderful "Never Ever".

I likes Debbie Gibson and Tiffany too!
Goodness, the original mall rats.

Sometimes, I like Kavana, sometimes, Ant and Dec,
Now, their Saturday morning show is OK, but I'd still sooner it featured some "Animaniacs".

And finally. We hear from
byron, who's had cheese on the brain recently
Have you seen a doctor about this. I'm not sure, but I expect he'll be able to fondue something.

Putting myself into exile till you've all recovered,

Brum: sunny & 17 * icq 14441391

that would be 6pm wednesday, from the start of next year.

This from the Not A Moment Too Soon file: B B C signs Buffy! She'll be bursting onto the screens at a time and slot to be determined. Probably going to be opposite Party of Five, knowing the BBC's spoiling tactics.

moreon the prick.

Out of interest, can anyone tell me how long this mailing list has been going, and how many mebers there are?
Roughly four years, and somewhere of the order of 150 members.

Roy, hi
My mind is still spinning from a lecture I had yesterday in which we proved an existence theorm for six O'clock in the morning. I still think its madeup!
Suppose 6am didn't exist. Then there would be a discontinuity in the linearity of time, and - in particular - the 6am train would not leave Shrewsbury station, as it would not exist. As I catch that train daily, the train must exist, and so 6am itself exists.

(I heard somebody say something about Claire Danes being at Oxford University in England. It is probably rubbish, but if she is I would really like to know because I am going to Oxford Uni in a few weeks.)
On the Fact Or Fib rating, it rates as a Fib. Claire is going to Yale University, Yale, USA. Not Oxford at all.

that would be ainsley harriot, a reference to all about eve's song "martha's harbour", and the great e. nesbit book.

Are you pro or anti Martha?
Pro her harbour.

Do you prefer Idaho's or long whites for baking?
Let me run this through babelfish.altavista... Ah, 38 weeks.

Do you think Oswald acted alone?
No, he had help from the rest of the Treasure Seekers.

Tara, welcome aboard, but please don't send images through the list address. Lixz and other admins: it's possible to configure servers to reject binary files: can you put pressure on mail- list to make the tweaks? Cheers. And if you're responding to someone else's post, please edit down to just the bit you're responding to. OK, if you're computer's going to crash by doing that, then use discretion. But if you're responding to one line of this post, snip everything but that line, then write. Thank you!

Sara
There IS something wrong with hating.
And where was that ever in doubt? As I see it, the main debate is whether there should be specific laws to prohibit speech that could be construed as hateful, and who would do such construing.

there IS proof that television leads to violence
Would the honourable lady care to cite a study or two?

once when I was babysitting Timmy
...or just a random sample of one?

teh power rangers did it, so why couldn't he?
Because, in strict point of fact, the power rangers are nothing more than a crude device to sell merchandising under the guise of an edutainment. That is the crucial difference between them and (say) the Teletubbies, whose main intent is to educate and entertain; that they're also available as merchandise is not the prime aim.

if no one teachs him any different (and his parents won't)
That's quite a big "if". Parents have a duty to the rest of society to explain this difference. So do schools. So do other members of society. That includes television, but why is the goggle box being held culpable for the failings of people?

I DON'T think if someone is going to be racist, sexist, or anything like that, that they should be able to express their opinion. The point is that those things are WRONG.
I agree with the second statement. But not the first. If someone wants to open their mouth and stuff both their feet in, I'll let them. And I'll ask them to send me a card from hell.

To ban someone from saying something adds a certain mystique to it. It makes it more attractive, more dangerous, more subversive. "Oh, those wooly-minded teachers don't want me to hear this. It must be good." The very act of banning it lends it an air of authority. They wouldn't ban it if it clearly weren't true, now, would they...

I don't think people should be allowed to print racist/sexist things [...] we're trying to make people more broad-minded.
Two goals that are completely incompatible with each other.

yes, i'm aware that this leaves the door open to views that don't fit the narrow liberal consensus; i see those views as a cause of regret, but not their existence.

Partially supported opinions guised in academic language such as "The Bell Curve"?

allow our children to grow up being accepting
This is about the fifth time Sara's brought up the concept that a child's mind is a tabula rasa, free to be filled with whatever fact, fiction and opinion it can find. Is this an intentional thought, or just default acceptance of a commonly-held concept?

Being beaten physically is one thing, but being beaten with words is much more profound, and lasts for longer periods of time.
Even longer than being killed?

he was killed by thoughts
Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear. I can think I'm a millionaire till I'm blue in the brain, it still won't affect my bank balance one iota. I can think that my local train company can provide a punctual service, they still won't. I can think of 101 nasty things to do with a third world dictator, but none of them happen.

when I think of England, I don't think of hteir prime minister, and think that everyone is like him.
[phew] Thank goodness for that!

no, we're not the only country out there, but we're definitely the best.
No, no, no, no, no. Look the other side of the 49th. There's no sense betwixt that line and the equator.

As for where the list is organized from...well, mail-list is located in the U.S., so thats really where its organized from.
She's right about that, but the reason is that that's where Lixz resides. If she were to move to Mexico, so would the list. Or to Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Tahiti. We might draw the line at Outer Mongolia, though - at least till they install some more T3s there.

maybe we SHOULD have a London get-together. Okay..how about this? as soon as me and Ross find a reliable sitter for little Toby, then I'll plan one. yay :)
Early new year? Figuring that it's going to take a month or so to find a Tobysitter, and then we're into the thick of the people who think that the best Christmas bargains are in London. They're so wrong! From here, it's almost cheaper for me to jump on a plane to St John's and do my shopping there.

better just to stay with our american language.
As opposed to The Queen's English. Ne'er a truer word spoken!

what about Huey, Ross, and Sally? (thats all I can think of at teh moment, sorry if I forget anyone) and um...what unsubbing?
What about Anna Valleyend? Lisa Bing, our York correspondent? Bremelstrang X Jones, with the clearly real name? Phil Glanville, the rabbit? Nic? Marguerite? Andrew Foster, that eedjit from Repton who hoaxed absolutely no-one in June last year?

If I'm not mistaken, only Anna's reading this.

I have twenty people telling me each day to take care of Toby, and that of course, he comes first.
Depends on how much of a head start you give him (: But why "of course"? Why is there this unstated assumption that it's not possible for two sides to come out, both with a win?

it does make me feel guilty for wanting time to be with Ross, or to be alone, and just well..being away from him.
This may come as news to "health professionals", but babies can (gasp!) function quite adequately at distances of greater than one metre from any parent or other carer. It's not as though the batteries are going to run low, or the recycling unit prove its effectiveness, without giving some audible warning.

Eric
Lixz is currently handling the "listee help" part of the picture. There rest of us are still here, but she is taking care of the mails to the yahoo address.
Shame! I thought this was the latest step on the plan to Complete Wrigley Field World Domination, when the World Series will always involve the Cubs, and the first pitch will always be thrown by such people as Arthur Bank One Ballpark, Julia Camden Yards, Robbie Kauffmann and Lixz Wrigley Field.

keyoneohthree
when i see the spliced girls, mariah carrey or faith whoever or pooffy combs (his hair with cum) play a REAL instrument and write thier own songs WITHOUT ripping off sting or led zepplin, i'll probably croack
Prepare to croack, then. Of the 28 songs the Spices have commercially released in the UK, they have writing credits on 20. Two clear covers, and six written by other people. Faith Hill has seven writing credits on her latest album alone.

And you're making the sad assumption that the human voice is not an instrument. Ever heard Gregorian chant? Plainsong? The Mediaeval Babes? A capella singing in general? Bobby McFerin? Not one "instrument" as you'd define it, but all making geniune music.

i'm just saying that you have to respect them....they're REAL musicians.
With the implication that the other acts are faux musicians. Can't agree with that one little bit, ol' chap. But, given the prejudice against The Voice...

...and have you seen her hair recently? she'll have a mohecan by the time of the christmas speech, mark my words!

impeach him, and we'll have 2 in the same century
Dr Fact writes: No you won't. You'll have a grand total of one: Clinton WJ. Nixon resigned before he could face the Senate hearing, and Johnson avoided Senate conviction by a vote.

we can't go about punishing people for cheating on thier wife
Oh yes we can! Whether it's against the law or not. Clinton's actions have brought the office of President into disrepute, and that is enough of a High Crime And Misdemeanour to have him booted out of office.

We're human beings, not canadian gesse
A Canadian goose writes: Honk! That's most unfair. At least our scandals involve the use of the brain, rather than the bits that yours do. I mean, did you ever get your head round The Somalia Inquiry, or did you stick with OJ24? Do the words Bre-X conjure up nothing more than a former Bath student?

birmingham uni

since I'm bored out of my wits, can anyone suggest any good reading material? My cousin has been trying to make me read "The Rules". I'm not so sure I want to read it...has anyone read it? What can you say about it?
The Rules? Well, I think the ones for baseball are best, and the ones for cricket are worth a look, but only if you know about that sport. Can't say I've seen any for Aussie Rules...

Oh, "The Rules", as in the anti-feminist guide to dating. Utter codswallop, unless you happen to be an over-confident yuppie in Manhattan with more acquaintances than sense. Or you can treat it as a work of humour.

Chelle's
could everyone who posts to the list please put SOMETHING in the subject line?
And here's why this post has the title it does.

For Steve's benefit
Who is Buffy?
Buffy is the lead character in WB drama "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", now into its third season in the US and Acquired Yesterday by the BBC. And, from what I've heard here, it's worth the wait.

Keeper of something not yet decided.
Can anyone think of a nifty catch phrase for me to use at the end of my posts?
You have one already. No, not the question, the bit before it.

apparently, that's mark frost, that is.

Let me go off for some research...

Brum: showers & 16 * icq 14441391 * keeper brian's calendar

phil and dana are a couple whose first joint posting was: "we are at it like rabbits".

Kris
I have Iain who I hope will give me a tour of England (no Teletubbies Please)
Any time, any time. That goes for the rest of you. See all the sights of England. The Tower of London, Cabot Square; the Floozy in the Jaccuzzi, Birmingham; the Whale Bridge, Wolverhampton; the Ragdoll shop, Stratford-upon-Avon; and see the cow in the River Severn, Historic Shrewsbury.

So, Mark's link to Eurosong. He comes from Brighton, remember. The place that hosted the contest in 1974. The contest that was won by Swedish supergroup Abba. And with a song that gave its name to a university in Canada.
From: Mark Frost [mark.frost+at+mindless,com]
Message-Id: [199810141820.OAA13604@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca]
Waterloo University. Couldn't escape if I wanted to.

Life here is... cold
Wait till you experience a Canadian winter..... Won't be long now, will it.

Cupcake
Y do I continually get eevryones mail form the mailing list? What is upw/that
Shows it's working, it does. Shows the list's up.

Then the LA girl
why doi get everyones LAME mail???
Ah, you spotted the gold lame I put on the edges of Tuesday's posts. Glad it added a little something to your day, even if it's not as substantive as (say) shim's glitter.

for the benefit of anyone from telstar, it's called "can i..?" by touch and go, and is released in the uk october 26.

After a little negotiation, we've settled on keyoneohthree what's a "LINUX?" and what does it have to do with me
LINUX is a free (gratis, and for nothing) operating system. It's not entirely unlike UNIX, in that it's stable and can run on some relatively underpowered machines. Support is provided by the original author and other users.

What it has to do with you? Well, it's better than Windoze when running on a 386 with 8Mb. It's also better than Windoze running on a Pentium II with 96 Mb and 8Gb of hard disk. Now, I'm not sure exactly what user applications there are for the system - my experience is only with it as a server - but it's certainly worth investigation.

i don't like this new alanis song
It's not as immediate as her others, but it's not as bad as certain other acts I could mention.

Babes in Toyland were RUNNING the damn Grrrl rock scene before miss alanis got out of her Tiffany wannabe phase.
Standing call: if anyone wants to sell or loan tapes or CDs of Alanis Morissette, Ottawa's Latest Dance Sensation (1992) let me know...

ok, what's IIRC? and do you have one?
If I remember correctly. And, yes, I have a rememberence. Sometimes.

honorable? gentleman? "Who you talkin 'bout?"
It's a piece of Parliamentary tradition. MPs aren't allowed to refer to "that git over there", or "the opposition liar on defence" or even "Mr Bloggs". They have to talk about "the honourable gentleman", or "the honourable member for Metropolis Central" or whatever. Think of it as code for "someone else".

weaver.radio

Kinda remind me of the spice girls but I could be wrong.
You could, indeed. Though it takes a few more tracks to figure out the difference.

I was not pleased to find a Hootie and The Blowfish song. But I guess he made up for it when he played a Faith Hill song.
Some you win, some you lose. And, at the time, I only know of one other station that was playing Faith. Now she's all over the place. Most adds on UK radio: now appearing on 35 of 82 monitored stations.

AND I HEARD HIS VOICE!!!
Bad luck, old chap. I recommend the London gathering tapes. It has Eli and Lisa for your entertainment.

Sara. Long post, short response. [hugs].
I miss Ross, but I don't miss Toby. Maybe thats horrible of me, but thats ow I feel, so oh well.
Ohfercryinoutloud. What is wrong with society that it has to make a parent feel guilty about taking time for herself? If the parents aren't happy, then the kid would be that bit more miserable. Now, I'm not advocating total hedonism from anyone, but neither am I supporting this obsession with Putting The Interests Of The Child Above Everything Else. It's just wrong to apply a strict standard like that to individual situations. Every one is different.

even with charities. I check to make sure that *i* have enough money, before I hand over any. talk about pathetic.
Nope. That's just sensible. If you have the money to spare, and you're in agreement with the cause, then there's a case to donate. If you don't have the dough, then no-one can blame you for putting your own survival above the continuation of a programme to help others. And if they do, then maybe they're not as charitable as they might like to think.

I don't know if anyone's read this far, and if you haven't, tehn you won't be raeding this,
Ob This Is True.

spinning news, early october 98

but he lived in London, I believe. which makes him a Londoner.
So you're an Essex girl now? My point exactly.

Hallowe'en costumes. You could go as Brits, in pinstripe suits and talk in mock-British accents. (May not go down well in Pitsea.)

Back to keyoneohthree
just cause we can blow up the world doesn't mean we are the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The Russians can blow up the world, too, and they'd probably kill for regular supplies of sliced bread.

Kori
GUESS WHO I'M GOING TO WINTERBALL WITH?????? MARK!!!!!
Ohmygawd! They resurrected Kori's love life!

Then this popped into my life
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:39:58 +0100
From: Sara [lizwf+at+worldnet,att,net]
Lixz! You're in the UK, and never told us!!

The price of soft drinks. From a vending machine in a public place, a 330 ml can (58% of a pint) will be between 40p and 60p, depending on location. Non-branded drinks can be as low as 30p, as are those in less profit-motivated places, such as unis. Over a bar, expect to pay a pound for a half pint.

Angela
Roman is apparently *still* having the same problem he has been having re messages- can *anyone* please figure out a way to help him?
What is this problem? Please describe the symptoms, otherwise I'll suggest Roman install LINUX and be done with it.

Tara
I'm not ashamed to be a Spice Girls fan
Yay you! The world needs more spicing up.

Favorite place(s) (anywhere): New York City & Pittsburg
shimelle, do you know this lass?

Eric
Microsoft could make a decent product if they spent billions of dollars on it.
Er, NT 5? NT 4? NT 3? Windoze 98/95/3-and-a-ninth? Word, Excel and other successful grounds for breeding viruses that infect documents? Breeding grounds for viruses in the first place? What's that? A paycheque from Comedy Central? Explains a lot..

Speaking of viruses.. The latest Infectious Memes to use this list as a trasmission vector were from Swt1Melody@AOHell. Not only is it in MIME format (sin of the month, it seems), but it also used stock reproductive phrases as
we are asking everyone in the world to email his website
[A contradiction in terms: one cannot email a website, but only an email address]
If you can't do anything, spread the word to anyone you think can do something and will want to do something
[The usual reproduction strategy: don't just do it for your own benefit, but for other people's as well]

This word from Channel 5. 9:25 this morning "Who will the Yankees meet in the world series?" 12:40 last night "Welcome to Yankee Stadium, where the San Diego Padres..." Sorry if that's spoiled the surprise for anyone.

Administrivia: anyone noticed the ObFooter has changed?
If you need any help, please write to so_calledhelp+at+yahoo,com and Liz will reply to your message as soon as possible.
It's Lixz and Lixz alone, eh?

This post to Lixz's so-called Lixzerty was made possible by the letters L and Z, and the number 9.

Codsall: sunny & 11 * if you read this post your life will be fab

What is an APOLOGY? Is it something one gets by being able to make a sensible script from the words coming off the Associated Press wires? Is is the study in an Advanced Placement class? Or is it what I'm giving to May, Mae and all confuzzled people from my misattribution last time? It's all three.

Shall we go with dashone for our new friend in Hawaii?
windows takes forever to load
'Chelle, can you give a few hints about installing LINUX on dashone's machine? I get the impression he would really find it useful. And it's free. Like, zero cents.

I'll reply at the begining of post....but that nightmare robot thing said that was a no-no
??? What's a nightmare robot when it's at home? Well, other than R2-D2.

A forward of a forward. Not impressive, as the originator has no time for (or knowledge of) this list. So, out comes Dr Spin:
They proclaim their deep regret for the attack on Matthew, while at the same time spouting their mantra that hate crime victims are no more special than anyone else.
The objection to this being what, exactly? A victim of a crime gets the same amount of sympathy for the same crime, surely. Anything else would be (gasp!) discriminatory. Now, this was a particularly heinous crime in and of itself, and I hope the book gets thrown at the perpetrators. Just as I'd be lobbing a large encyclopaedia if the sole motivation had been robbery. So why is this bastion of equality being presented as though it were something wrong?

They then use twisted logic to say that glbt advocacy groups are just using the Shepard case to exploit our own 'agenda'.
Do "they" use the word "just"? That's the key quantifier in that statement. If the only reason the case is being reported is because the victim was gay, that word would be appropriate. I reckon that's not the case, and "just" is unjust. YMMV.

Protection against violence and the ability to live as a gay person without fear needs to be our top priority, along with elimination of all existing sodomy statutes.
That's at least three "top" priorities. If there's a top priority, it must take precedence over everything else, surely. I'd go to achieve the three in the stated order; the first is a necessary condition for the second.

subsidiarity: the process of taking a decision at the level it's best suited for. For instance, it would be a waste of everyone's time for the national government to sort out the funding for drain cleaning. similarly, laws at a state level need not be re-enacted at a national level.

On a local level, we must demand coverage of this story. For example, in the NY Daily News, this story has been ignored. They were the only NYC newspaper not to mention it in their Saturday morning edition and they continued without coverage on Sunday. What does this say to gay people?
That the NYDN is a pile of loo paper. Didn't you know that already? Isn't that the one Murdoch owns? Over here, I'm very pleasantly surprised at the high profile coverage; a 6 minute feature on Sunday's "Broadcasting House", mentions on the 120 second bulletins on Choice and BRMB (making second in the latter), and two features on Five Live on Tuesday that I heard.

[/dr spin]

And this virus from an AOHellster
(Please Forward this Message to all of your Friends!)
PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW WHO SHARES IN THIS CONCERN.
Oh no, not again... Two weeks ago I ranted and raved about the follies of forwarding chain letters blindly without verifying the contents. Here we have a reproduction engine for another virus; you may deem the content to be more "worthy" of a wide audience, but this could (at a strech) be defined as an email virus.

weaver.radio

Anyone have the first MSCL cd-rom with all parts (any instructions, inserts, covers, or cover stickers)?
IIRC, it was just the cd-rom in a plastic wallet. Not very flash, but fully functional.

august 7

Skeie
i had my 21st yesterday whoo hooo
Happy birthday in retrospect

i might get to use my airmiles to go to KS !WHOOHOOO!
There's something happening in Kansas? Other than the road to the Superbowl?

wrigley field wallpaper

Carathay quotes
And though she will F#%$ up your life
Invisible Touch, Genesis
Mmm. I recall the original radio edit had "mess up your life", but a live version a few years later had "[beep] up your life".

Shobi
the only major label recording artist that I still have to explain & really love is Voice of the Beehive.
One never needs to explain VotB, he said, wondering just how to squeeze them into a weaver.radio on modern classical music. Or I could just get Andi WD to programme a show...

Kent
Once upon a time--say almost three years ago--there was a most extraordinary Londoner on the List named Miles Wood.
If I remember correctly - and I'm only getting these reports second hand, which is why I'm not totally blowing up at this - Miles was from Wolverhampton. Home of the Wolf, the Wolves, and Britain's Largest Town. He's no more of a Londoner than me.

what really grabbed my attention was when the anchor said something
Not on the B B C, it didn't. Given that "Outlook" is a Magazine programme on the World Service, it would have been the Presenter. (All capitals used in accordance with the B B C style Guide.)

the contact reports that (er) he doesn't have the contacts to find out. blast.

Dashoneagain
Something that makes you jealous about the opposite sex: they're girls
It's always annoying, that is.

you are a digester, aren't you....
In terms of how I subscribe, yes. And how I post, really. So it could apply to the total me, if you so choose.

anyway, the internet started in the US back in the 50's or 60's, didn't it? How can you get the country who takes credit for creating the internet to not be egotistical/biased about it?
There's a whole load of difference between taking credit where it's due, and posting blindly assuming that everyone else knows inimically what you're on about. Most of the latter category seems to come from Americans talking about their country.

Mae
Here's a thought...where ever will we find another Shimelle?
No! There can be One shimelle Only!

another blatant plug for weaver.radio
and the real player

the score by which agassi lost to henman the previous weekend

So, Skeie's game
Tell -2 people in pi days. Think I can swing that (: Can't figure Eli, apparently, and I'm not saying who the crush is on. That's blatantly obvious. Care about Andy-from-work, Kris knows me and Cory's my s-t-a-r. Ha! Song 8: "You were meant for me", for the crush. For mr mystery, "Stay in the sun". My mind: "The boy is mine", and my life: "One week". Well, maybe...

Rick, hello. Test received and understood.

Kris, quoting me

now im left with this absolute knowledge of who I am, and WOW is it frightning (hold on, gotta go pee)
This could just be the best line of the year.

2.) The person in space 3 is the one that you love.
DERRICK EDWARDS!!! Whooo Hoooo!! I better be careful though, word on the streets, he is taken :(
Well, that's never exactly stopped him in the past. Neither's the fact that you're kinda taken, too.

9.) The tenth space tells you most about your mind.
Is there a song called 'blank'? Well, there is Cage's 4 minutes 33 seconds - of absolute silence.

Kori. It went well, yah.

Dashoneyetagain
PLEASE STOP!!!! no-more MIME stuff PLEASE!!!!!
The honourable gentleman has an excellent point. MIME-encoded mails appear twice in my digests, often with gunk and gubbins attached. If you know how, it might be considerate for you to turn off the encoding. Or just write everything in plain text files and send those. This applies to you, Outlook Depress users.

Until next time's weaver.post plays next time's weaver.thoughts, Channel 5's picture remains foggy and snowy for the 85th week.

Brum: showers & 17 * ICE 1 RUS 0 * NWY 2 ALB 2

Wazzup? This post brought to you (in part) by the letter J, the concept of recycled paper, the cat, XY people, get-togethers, and sublime comments.

Deca
DeSpice the fact that I sometimes (only sometimes, though) disagree with Iain's taste of music,
That implies that you agree with some of it. Now, that is worrying.

that would be Kula Shaker. Or, as they're properly known, "a complete load of sh*te".

-1
STOP CALLING ME BY MY NAME!!!! it's "k." that's "lowercase k."
Well, I'm happy to accede to the first half. However, for me, the letter "k" has been spoiled and roundly abused by a self-obsessed band whose name shalt not pass mine lips (at least until the comments line). We also already have a "K" on the list, and from just scanning the posts, it's awfully confusing telling your "k" apart from your "K". And, as I refuse to use the underscore key to start a name, -1 it'll be. Fair?

what is the planet-claire-request+at+lists,best,com? Or is that only for claire?
Planet Claire is a heavily on-topic list to do with the working, career and other sundry matters regarding Ms Danes. Low volume - maybe 3 messages a day. Given the state of things, that is the best place to look for Claire-related material and goss. Only some of it makes it onto this list.

why can't you all get along?
Good question. I doubt you'll find the answers on this list alone.

you all should be a "happy family."
Why? What moral imperative is there for us to be one united happy family? What massive offence against the greater good is caused by this division? Maybe we're all happier now the way we are...

even angela and rayanne would have made up by now
Four years on? Probably, but I wouldn't say no to 10/1 against.

"god this newbie has got brass kahonies to talk like this after being subed for only 4 days."
Too right, and I like you more for it. BTW, what's a kahonie when it's at home? (:

i don't want to have to worry about something I don't know anything about getting me kicked off this thing.....
It won't happen. If it does, the admins will hear about it. And I can kick up a bit of a stink when I want to.

For example, I found out Friday that my office manager has decided to pull out of a paper recycling scheme, on the flimsy pretext that it costs (gasp!) 60 pounds (yes, less than $150) per year to participate. I've sent her a polite mail wondering why she's decided to do this. If that doesn't work, my next step will be to send all the gubbins that lands on my desk and would go for recycling to her, through the internal mail.

because someone hurt you, I get the shaft
I don't see this happening. Care to explain?

the only way to end it is to confront it head on and deal with it, not hide it in the dirty laundry
Who's to say that's not what we've done? So far as I'm concerned, we lanced the boil on May 25.

I'm a strong believer in the first amendment
The first amendment to what? Don't answer; it's part of my on-going ploy to remove the American bias from the internet.

Froggy
What recording artist do you absolutely love that no one else seems to have heard of?
Curiosity Killed the Cat.
Ohmygod, they resurrected Ben Volpiere-Pierrot!

I'd erase Scappy Doo from existence.
How can anyone argue with that policy?

-1 again
your contributions are worth more here than mine
Nope. All contributions are equal. Apart from those containing warnings of non-existant viruses, or binary files.

Moz.
Yeah, but those sites are commercial.
The problem being..? Heck, if you want to further your crypto- communist utopian ideals, be my guest. Just don't expect me to support you at all.

It reminds me of how mdeason got thrown out without a warning, after his comments hit too close to home.
Deason was violating basic netiquette by attempting to flood the mail-list server with multiple, simultaneous posts. This is explicitly forbidden in the joining message.

troll (v, trans): to post in a public forum in a manner calculated to incite a hateful response or other flame war.

Betsy
Happy Columbus day
And a (slightly belated) Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.

Shana (Storm): hugs

xy magazine (not wonderful, but there for completeness)

-1
I've had long drawn out dreams of where Claire and I would live... the whole house, right down to the (existant) basement and the land
Ah, but will there be a cat there (;

The Claire I feel for is not the claire I keep hearing things about now. (And it never was the REAL claire...but a mix of the real claire and some characters she did....since the real claire was part of it, what I hear about her affects my view of my angel
Oh dear, I feel an unequivocal agreement moment coming on... Well, not quite. Sure, I feel a strong fondness (not love, not desire, certainly not lust) towards Claire, but I know it's part Claire, part Angela, part Juliet, and part the mystique that comes from being The Greatest Young Actress Around. Present company excepted, possibly.

premiere magazine

Sidebar to consider the NYT's report on
Ms. Danes
Another LOL moment. I'm sorry, but it's Claire, or Claire Danes, or (more usually) the utterly wonderful and multi-talented Claire Danes.

Quoting me

They do have some odd times to start these baseball games, don't they? I mean, 9:15 is a little odd, but it is on a quarter hour. As for 38 minutes past midnight, though...

Sara
who has a yucky infection and has to take three pills a day :( ooh ..which reminds me, I should go and do that!!
So you should, he hinted, from the hinterland.

gatherings...

Total 107
107 posts a week. And it feels like it.

Stats on Address Lengths:
No way! LOL!

Hmm, weekly reports may be too much, but annual stats might make some interesting New Year's Day reading. More so than waiting till Saturday's footy.

at the time, oakland had started 4 and 2.

now im left with this absolute knowledge of who I am, and WOW is it frightning (hold on, gotta go pee)
This could just be the best line of the year.

May
"Stag pit. Stag shit ...rest your shoulders Peaches and Cream" --professional widow
And 99.4% of Europe thinks that song is nothing more than "gotta be big". Thanks, Van Helden ):

Moron next time I post.

Brum: cloudy & 12 * the st john's connexion lives!

ObFriends first. That would be Emily, then. Though... I've no idea where the blazes her accent's coming from. At a pinch, it may be Surrey, or Kent, or somewhere like that. She ain't from Shropshire. If she were, she would (er) sound a little more like me and less like Lisa. Go fig, with the aid of the sound clips from London...

Moz
I had heard that the admins on this list did some oppressive things
They do? I'm still waiting for them to start (...and, no, that's not your cue, guy and gals:)

the words "troll", "troll" and "troll" spring to mind

Sara
I haven't seen any epsiodes since the last one though :(
There's no arguing with that, really, is there?

Shana (sun)
Everyone come to #pike!!! Be there or be a square! :P
A square writes: It's hip to be a square.

Shannon
I know it seems, like, mandatory that I pick something with my son, but I don't know what to pick. certainly not his birth. I guess that makes me a lame mom
Based on which? You didn't enjoy the experience of his birth. So?! It is a free country, and if you don't want to remember something with any fond memories, then who are we to say that's wrong?

Geez, the pettifogging mandatoriness of experience. It's all part of the grotesque continuation process of a patriarchal structure.

[/rant]

because pretty much every woman I know is bursting at the seams to blab about her kid, but I just don't feel like that. I don't know what that means.
That you have something different from "every (other) womin". That you are unique, an individual with your own perspectives and opinions.

Huey
i didn't see Iain T. Weaver just endorse The Times in a mail, did i?
it's shit, quite frankly
I'm not going to disagree with that summation. However, my point is that it's a Reliable Source Of Information. If I see a news item printed there, I can be sure that it's true. Unlike things reported on MTVsNooz or DC's cable noodle network.

Shobi's quiz
How often do you talk to your parents/siblings/closest relatives?
Pretty much every day, when our paths cross.

For those that still like, *live* with those folks, what do you call your parents?
Mum and Dad, though they refer to each other by their given names.

What counts as sex? Why?
Penetration, oral sex, mutual masturbation and other practices I'm forgetting to name. Why? Because they are, as I see it, all different ways of doing pretty much the same thing, and this definition doesn't discriminate between gays, straights and orgies.

What recording artist do you absolutely love that no one else seems to have heard of?
Over here: Faith Hill, the Barenaked Ladies, Jewel. They may all have been in the Billboard Top 10, but over here they've had 0 weeks on chart. Between them. And Great Big Sea, only they're beginning to take off... And, of course, you can hear something from all these acts on the latest weaver.radio (well, apart from the BNL)...

keoni
Claire Danes Nude: these are fakes, right
Yep. I've not seen the URL you're referring to, but the pics (if they exist) will be fakes.

I truly have never thought about claire naked, or in lingerie (which is my thing!), or in any kind of sexual way, it was kinda like puppy love...very pure, very unsexual in nature....very innocent.
Erm, it's something similar for me as well. Like, the kid who would be a friend And Nothing More.

such a small show (in the eyes of the world) with a cult like following shouldn't need more than one list
I'm not sure that MSCL has turned out to be quite as small as my learned friend makes out. One star has risen from the programme, and MSCL set the tone for female-led dramas that seem to be everywhere on the US schedules right now.

They do have some odd times to start these baseball games, don't they? I mean, 9:15 is a little odd, but it is on a quarter hour. As for 38 minutes past midnight, though...

Sasha writes of
Press Gang - A British tv show that none of you will probably have heard of.
A-hum! The breakthrough parts for Julia Sawhalia and Dexter Fletcher. (Whatever happened to him?) Mark, Lisa, shim, care to add?

Sara
irreconciable (how do you spell that?)
irreconcilable. There's two "L"s in it.

everyone is free to swear as well, if they like.
Though this may be subject to intervention by various national governments who seem to be forgetting that their perogatives do not extend beyond their own national boundaries. And if I want to declare UDI from Britain I jolly well will do.

I just really wish Alfredo could ... just get on with his life.
What are you assuming here?

In terms of changing an ending, Sara
romeo and juliet. I would have them be strong instead of wimps.
Looking up what I wrote when we discussed this back in April...

Juliet is more in control of her situation than any of the other lead protagonists are of theirs. She's the one who actually takes the potion, who helps concoct the fiction of her death.

Huey
what the heck is this "Felicity" gubbins?
It's probably the #1 Hype of the tranche of 50 or so new programmes starting in the US recently. The basis is straight-A university student cuts out of class before arriving to go live in New York.

i saw something about it on Iain's site - which is really neat, btw, Iain,
Thanks.

but i still don't see it or anything
The pre-publicity compared it to MSCL; initial audience reaction is that this can't be the case, as it's getting good notices in the press and respectable viewing figures. Bearing in mind that it's on Warner Bros. TV, America's equivalent of Channel 5, only without such quality programming.

Also on my web site this week, there's the complete list of hit records for the Third Quarter of the year. Have Boyzone got the biggest hit? How many times did I hear "How do I live"? Has Natalie Imbruglia charted yet again? Find out...

Codsall: showers & 15 * keeper of brian's wonky calendar

Betsy
What did you eat this morning?
A bowl of cornflakes at 6:20, and two rounds of toast at 9:30.

What is your favorite Smashing Pumpkins song?
"Believe" - a bonus track from the "1979" cd single.

When was the last time you visited a library and what for?
On Saturday, killing a little time while waiting for parents to finish shopping.

Name the most braggable places(location) you've ever kissed someone.
Atop Signal Hill

What is the name of the person that you would like to shag, right at this moment?
How does one "shag"? Is it some form of new dance?

Do you wear socks with the stripe on the toe?
No.

What item of Angela's would you like to borrow?
A jumper would be nice, given the weather.

And finally, name one odd thing under your bed.
The number three.

linux press office

Kori has to write on
how Monty Python satirizes (is that the word?) the importance of honorability and being noble to the people in medieval times.
Ah, the importance of honour in the mediaeval age. Complete myth, you understand, perpetrated by The Church to The Peasants so that they might have a better image of Their Masters On Earth, and consider them the equal of That God In The Sky.

yes, a reference to their song...

Stef of Frogdom
"Birdhouse in your soul"
I'm your only friend.
I'm not your only friend.

From Washington state,
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She's back!!!!! Pop the champagne!

Maurice E
Has anyone else seen the new show on WB, called "Felicity"??
The planned Warner Brothers network, due for launch on Astra in 1996, was cancelled at the last minute. Apparently, there was a huge row betwixt F*X-TV and the New York cable system (owned by a WB offshoot) when the cable folks dropped F*X Nooz in favour of wall-to-wall test patterns (or was it the Golf channel, I forget). Anyway, it all denied BSkyB viewers the chance for wall-to-wall Animaniacs and other quality WB programmes, including Felicity, and made Mr Muchdoch another enemy for life.

To return to the original question, no, I've not.

cnn europe
bbc news
new york times
the times
the telegraph
globe and mail
the telegram
muchmusic

Most important episode: Betrayal. Be alive. Be proud of it.
Grandest red herring episode: In terms of plot, Father Figures. But still a grand episode. Like the other 17.

Shannon
1. if street drugs were legal, would you use any? why? which ones?
Sorry, when did the M6 turn into a drug, legal or otherwise? You'll never catch me mainlining down there. Not when I can be speeding past in a train. Or hitching a life with a passing sloth and still going faster than the traffic.

2. what keeps you awake at night?
Anything, really.

3. what show are you most embarassed to admit you watch (and actually like)?
Seeing as how just about everything I watch is so cack it's positively good, I guess I'll have to pass.

5. what would you do for a klondike bar?
Find out what one is.

6. would you rather have been an only child?
I might have got some attention from my parents then. So no.

8. what's the very very next book you're just waiting/dying/pining to read?
"The Shipping News".

10. what three memories would you put in a box for safekeeping so you could look at them over and over again?
Arrival hour at St John's, 1 am, 27 April 97. Results day at uni, 24 June 95. Driving past Pippy Park to PWC.

11. what is the scariest thing that's ever happened to you?
Getting the seat next to the emergency exit on the flight to St J's. I mean, a foreigner, in the country for about five hours, awake for nigh-on 20 hours, nervous, anxious, with spew stains down his trews... Not a calming experience. The only thing I can remember about the in-flight entertainment was that the Ferraris were on pole for the San Marino GP, and Big Band Channel 3 is great to doze to.

12. betty or veronica?
Never heard Radio Betty, so Veronica all the way.

14. have you ever been truly, madly, deeply in love?
Yes.

15. what was the last thing you took a photograph of?
Something when I was with Eli and Lisa in London.

16. are you happier now than you were one year ago?
No.

Angela's list of state mottos sets me thinking...
BC: Way Out West
Yukon: West and North and Cold
NWT: North and Cold
Alberta: Way Out West
Saskatchewan: Way Out West and Impossible to Spell
Manitoba: Way Out West
Nunavut: North and New
Ontario: Way Out West
Quebec: Par a ouest
NB: Way Out West
PEI: Way Out West and Well Small
NS: Way Out West
NF: Sensibly Not Too Far To The West At All.

The Bro is a boundless fount of obsurities....
Including welcome additions to the English language's lexicon of expression.

Shana (storm)
i used to watch '3rd rock from the sun' (sorry, but kristen johnston is hot!! yeah and the show is good too :)
Don't see the heat myself, but the comedy is first rate. There's only one thing I'd miss it for, and I'm not discussing that in front of the kids.

Angela
Maybe Coronation Street as I'm anti-soap and that does fit into the category of soaps but it's wonderful
"Wonderful" in the sense of "I wonder why people waste two hours a week watching this load of trash when they could be doing something useful with their lives."

Andrea
15. what was the last thing you took a photograph of? A building in Toronto that had a big cow sticking out of it.
There has to be some way of cracking a gag at the expense of someone I dislike intensely about this. Only I can't recall a time Cherie and Tone blackened the image of Toronto airport still further. Darn.

Let me go think about this some more...

icq 14441391 * 36 cats play Fluffy * keeper Brian's calendar

Hmm. Just listening to Garbage's "Milk" at the mo. Still think it would be really great to mix that in with "#1 Crush" off of R+J. They, like, flow into each other.

Huey
in figures from 1989 one particular businessman (can't remember his name) had a debt from ventures internationally that he was responsible for ten 10% of all Australia's foreign indebtments that year.
Ah, that would be Robert Holmes A'Court. I'm not sure how he did it, but he made a fortune during the 80s, over-reached and went into bankruptcy at the end of '89. With these massive overseas debts you refer to.

Ali hears someone say
he said, 'whys a beautiful girl looking so sad?'
Methinks, that is the corniest chat-up line in the whole world. Must come from a creep, numbskull or other person one really doesn't want to associate with.

Angela sends six screens on the topic of what, exactly, a Lady is. For me, a Lady is the wife of a Knight, or a Lord, or someone who has been invested as a Dame or Lady in her own right. Never mind defining people as womyn, how about treating everyone as a person..?

I might be thinking of the reason France weren't at World Cup 94, following their 3-2 defeat at the hands of Israel.

And on Ms Eyebrows you need to see heavenly creatures before you cast your final ballot. imho (and a lot of others) that's her best acting to date
Though I've not seen any other cinema work, I think this is going to be true. Personally, I thought she was excellent in the BBC's 1991 children's tv drama "Dark Season", but then I would...

it could lead me to a lifetime of being a bbc presenter.
Don't knock it! We could have the next Phillipa Forrester here. And there's no-one better than our Phlip! Except our shim, maybe.

shim
if there is one thing i could not stand about british tv, it was 110% and 100% gold!
Be careful what you criticise, young television critic. 100% is the ultimate post-modern quiz show. 110% is the BBC's daily sports news show, that started in the last week of September. You've never seen an episode, I'm almost certain. In fact, I suspect no-one has even seen one.

i watched it so much just to say how stupid it was.
Stupid, maybe. Silly, almost certainly. Worse than the Simpsons? No contest. Better than Aussie soaps? Yup.

but there are like actually good game shows in england, so why do they want 100%?
Let me count the ways. 1) It's cheap. 2) It needs no budget. 3) It's cheap. 4) It provides more drama than the rest of the daytime soaps. 5) Did we mention that it's not very expensive? 6) It's cheap.

i live in a country which thinks countdown is crap,
Let me rephrase that. A country that believes Countdown to be too intellectual. It, like, requires thinking. And a decent level of vocabulary. Neither of which are much in evidence on Great American Gameshows © SKYTV 1990.

something is terribly terribly wrong.
Well, yes, but that goes without saying.

casey kasem is no carol vordermann.
Vords has a brain, for starters.

and definitely not susie dent. (i miss susie dent! she's the cutest thing on british tv!!!)
Apart from Dot Warner, maybe...

we all know the reason we can't have 15 to 1 is that it would put jeopardy out of business. and that no one in america could actually answer all the questions.
Well, I wasn't going to say that, but now you mention it...

On Kate Winsomemore
you're ignoring the obvious!!! becuz she has kinked eyebrows!
Yes, but that just makes it too easy. Give myself a little challenge, leave the obvious clincher for a trump card.

and thanks to you, knowing the words to a song for eurosong has nearly gotten me in some mighty big trouble! sing it in the u.k., everyone laughs. play it in the states, everyone thinks you're a racist or something. just proves that humour doesn't translate over oceans, i suppose.
Ex-cuse me! What is so inflammatory about the lyrics

#Ding-a-dong every hour,
#When you pick a flower,
#Even when your lover is gone
#Gone
#Gone
#Sing ding dang dong.

 

weaver.radio

To the rest of you: confused about what I'm wittering on about? Well, "Ding-a-Dong" won Eurosong in 1975, and was never a hit in the UK, so qualifies for the next episode of weaver.radio. Judge for yourself next weekend.

no matter where i looked, that girl was on like every show!
Don't think I saw her on Celebrity Countdown, but that might have been the week I missed...

over the hills and far away, toyah wilcox should not be dubbed over.
Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! What would Adrian Mole say? More to the point, what would a teletubby say?
Dipsy: Dubby-over Toyah baaaaad.
Laa-Laa of the Plaines: Baaaaaad!
Laa-Laa of the Desert: Baaaaaad! Yankees good!!

The guy looking for an episode about Rayanne's drinking. Was it the obvious one, Other People's [Relations]. Or was it On the Wagon. For my money, the last few minutes of the latter are the strongest anti-drink message I've ever seen.

Angela asks
WHY is Natalie Imbrulglia (sp?) laying cold and naked on the floor?
We're back in ObEurosong territory here. Before Natalie Umbrella got her tonsils round the tune, Katrina and the Waves recorded it. Two years later, they won Eurosong. Evidently there's now a bidding war to get Ms Imbroglio to sign for any of the 23 competing countries. And that bidding war is so fierce that it's completely removed all vestiges of clothing from her body, and - well - it does tend to get a bit parky around this time of year.

Why do we seem to have fashion trends in *cleavage*?
As far as I'm concerned, it's good on some people, and not on others. For instance, it's not good on Madonna. Or Spamela Hamderson. In fact, if I can see it, it's generally no good. Go fig.

Why are men so precise when it comes to things like video games and 'puter stuff and pin point adjustments on their cars
Speak for yourself! Inaccurancies make the work a little more...

Why do companies advertise foods that have *never* contained fat (like oatmeal and bottled water) as "FAT FREE!". How dumb do they think we are?
Dumb enough not to lobby your legislators to get such bullock-filled statements removed from packaging. A UK law now bans this form of misleading advertising. An EU directive forces "water" off the ingredients list of cosmetics, replacing it with "aqua". Anything to let them shift more records!

Why did Oprah's theme song from last year always sound like "Climb Every Oprah" to me rather than "I'm Every Woman"?
Don't know. Why does the closing bit of the Oprah theme always make me think Countdown's on next?

Flix
u do know about david's uh...former.....um....CAREER i guess we could call it (coughpornmovieguycough)
No? Come to Britain, where he introduces "The Red Shoe Diaries" every night at 9 on Bravo. I would ask Sara for a review, seeing as how she's the only one with a wok, but I suspect she may have better things to watch at the time. Like BBC Testcard 24.

Brum: cloudy & 12 * Statler: "Hey, this one sounds cute." Waldorf:
"You old fool, that's not the personals, it's the obituaries!"
keeper Brian's wonky calendar * MIN 37 GB 24. I'm not laughing

Later: US tv exports, soap opera moments, "Get Smart!", separation, old geezerdom and spelling.

Adrianna
Subject: A good old bitch about australian television
By the way i aplogise about swearing in the Subject bit. Deeply sorry if i offended anyone.
Anyone offended by that? It may not be the sort of language one might use in front of a maiden aunt, but we're all grown-ups here. No, we have no hang-ups about using "good" in the subject line. In fact, I might use it myself some time. And don't mention the war!

Buffy: The new series hasn't started yet.
Here in Britain, the series hasn't started on terrestrial tv. At all. We've not seen one single episode. Sky have some rights, so I'll be able to see the show when I get a digital box in a few weeks, but none of the main channels have picked up the show. It would get you a better audience than gavel-to-gavel football...

The Nanny: They aren't even married yet.
"The Nanny" still stars Penelope Keith, and is 15 year old re- runs.

Friends: we're still waiting to find out what happens after the wedding.
That's the one where Rachel sings "Copacabana", right?

Sidebar: Nichole
if you mean the Ross-Emily one
Who's Emily? Should the name ring bells? Lisa?

c4 decided not to show one episode, for reasons that have never become plain

Seinfeld: Finished
Will carry on late nights on BBC TWO until about 2004. Then they'll think about re-runs. Also features on Paramount Comedy, of which I'll know nothing till 2001. But they'll probably still be ahead of the Beeb.

3rd Rock from the sun: Last time i watched John Cleese was on it.
Dick and the wheelchair was this week's episode.

Roseanne: Barbra Striesands husband was on.
Main appearance here is in the "Oprah" slot twice a week on (5).

Will someone please tell me why we are so far behind its a disgrace.
We're further behind than you guys are. Sorry.

Johnathan was asking after soap opera moments. The sort that you just don't see coming, but strike you afterwards as being totally inevitable. Hello, Angela. Hello, Alan.

On which topic, Shobes and Shans
In many jurisdictions you will not be allowed to marry for a year
I think it might only be 6 months in Wisconsin.
It's possible to apply for a license in England one clear day after the divorce is finalised (divorce comes through Tuesday, apply Thursday, marry three weeks after that).

Lisa meeting up with Her Out Of Texas. What's she doing hanging out in such utterly cool places as that, and in such non-warm company? [The same as you've done before now - Ed] Yeah, but I'm not responsible for the backing track to that Texas/Wu-Tang track. The one that wakes up all the dogs round here. And, no, it won't appear on weaver.radio. I'll never be that stuck for something to play.

billboard challenge: search for weaver.records

Nichole again
there are 3 differnt Nick at Nite's - well, all owned by the same people,
Yup, all part of the Viacom organisation (MTV, VH-1, M2, Nick, Paramount, "Sabrina...")
but they show different things - the US one, the Australia one, and the UK one.
The UK "Nick at Nite" is billed as Paramount Comedy. I believe that pirate decoders for the analogue satellite are available in NW Europe, including places like the Netherlands... The Astra digital satellite, which started up on Oct 1, uses a non-standard coding system, so can only be seen in the UK.

I forget if the UK one shows Get Smart or not
It's not in the current line-up, but I recall it was on over last Christmas.

Carathay muses
The real problem with marriages out there, I think, is that too many people get married too young without really exploring their life or getting to know the person they marry.
Nope, that's another symptom of the problem. As I see it, the problem is that people feel pressured into marrying. There's a whole industry set up around the myth of "The White Wedding" that - for whatever reason - most people buy into to some degree. It's perfectly possible for a legal wedding to take place with five people present, but society insists on making that fifty or more.

That's exacerbated by the current fashion for divorce and separation. It seems to be at its most popular now than since Henry the Eighth re-wrote the rule-book to get his leg over. So, combine the lack of external influences to keep couples together and the rush to marriage, and we get the large number of splits. It's a self-perpetuating cycle. How to break it? Don't buy into the White Wedding Myth. If you must have one, have a ceremony on your own terms.

Toby
hello back
Yeah, hi old chap.

Sara
25 isn't an old geezer at all
Yes it is. Well, it's feeling like that from where I am. My life is, like, so boring: work is going nowhere, no-one wants to give me a better job, there's no-one to give me some love, and I'm just stuck in a rut. Makes me feel like a real old geezer.

I have a problem, not only with this, but what to call myself.
Let me suggest a universal, one-size-fits-all-circumstances name for you. Sara.

Nichole
I don't know what I would call myself either
Following the existing logic, Nichole.

in fact, clause 24.iv.2a says that bt can cut off the phone supply if there's an "r" in the month and the moon is in the first quarter and the sun is in the ascendancy...

Sasha
I'm referring to Matt le Blanc and a large ape here
What's the difference? What's the punchline?

m-i-l-l-e-n-n-i-u-m

And the answer to the teaser at the start. Wrigley Field would take Camden Yards.

Codsall: cloudy & 13 * now with a plagarised column and aids in men
icq 14441391 * keeper of brian's calendar, showing november 1

haifa drew some austrian side that we've forgotten the name of already

Maccabi Haifa 3, Paris St Germain 2

And good news from the music desk. Oasis are to release no new material between now and the next millennium. 70 million seconds with nothing more to get rather bored by (:

100%'s excellent ratings are of the order of 0.8 million people; enough for about 20th on the station, and around 8% of viewing at the time. the simpsons gets four times that figure in the same slot.

The catch? There's no audience, no interaction between the players, who don't even see each others' answers, and we don't get to see the quizmaster. It's perfect for the way-cool Voice Of Robin Houston, who has appeared on all the UK editions. And it's perfect for a radio voice such as Casey Kasem.

So, in honour of this, a quick burst of the quiz. Judy V
I don't have a BF either and I never had one. Does that make a ________ (fill in the line).
A: Person who has never had a boyfriend.
B: Smart person, who knows how not to get heartbreak.
C: Slice of cucumber.

14% of the ones bought in Britain don't fit through the door, October is the most common month for buying one, and one in four is made of leather. What are they?
A) Sofas
B) Car seats
C) Kris' catsuits.

I am afraid to go with anyone or to socialize with boys/men coz I am not used to it... Does anyone feel the same way...
A: Yes, and we're not afraid to admit it.
B: Yes, but we're too scared to say so.
C: No, we're all liars here.

instead I'll call you friends. That really sounds tacky.
Is that TRUE or FALSE.

[That's enough 100% - Ed]

Kent
I didn't mind TITANIC. I just wasn't particularly moved by it.
I think the hype surrounding "Titanic" made it impossible for anyone to adopt an ambivalent position on that picture. The dialogue and plot is a pile of horse manure [obracine]. The acting is passable, in the main, but nothing to write home about. The effects were pretty, but that's it. The score is going to go down as a classic, along with "The Piano".

On similar topic, Annie on Kate Winalot
I think that she is pretty, why else would she have been cast in Titanic?
Because she comes from Reading, perhaps? Because she's not let fame go to her head? Because she's a top-grade talent?

Huey enquires
can it be a 'serious', political quote?
I don't see why not. Though does anything Clinton or Blair say fit into that category..?

Carathay
After a movie comes out, at least 5000 newspapers must end up reviewing it, and out of all those, somebody must have liked it.
Indeed, that's the case. John Allen Paulos' marvellous book "Innumeracy" touches on this phenomenon: I advise everyone to read and inwardly digest.

Britt on the FOX-files
I wish the season would start already... I don't get why they always start so late
I believe it's because the series a) runs almost uninterrupted through its run, or b) is a series of only 20 programs rather than the usual 25.

Count yourselves lucky that the FOX-Files is a US production. If it were British, it would run for 6 or 8 shows a year - or 3 episodes a week, 52 weeks a year. British tv drama knows no middle way. ):

~Laura
I Regret: not going to England when I was 19

get-togethers in london

Shana (sun)
Webpage: mine? check my sig
They Are Good. Just thought I'd throw that in.

Shobi
"Tact"? Me no understand. Where is that dictionary?
Isn't that a very small nail, often made out of tin?

the punishment always outweighs the crime in that particular area of the world. Deface property in Singapore, get flayed in public with a rattan rod. Badmouth Manila, get banned.
Oppose the Malaysian government, get beaten up by the police and hauled before the courts on totally trumped-up charges. Talk to the Chinese and they steal land from you.

Deca plays
Catch up
The spirit of "Going For Gold", Henry Kelly's Euroquiz, lives on.

How did you know? They actually were held in Bremen. :)
There's very little that gets past the list's meister of Eurosong. Just wait till next May, when weaver.radio devotes a whole show to the best of Eurosong '99...

I never understood what "feeding radiation" could mean.
My best guess is that it's something to do with satellite broadcasting, and feeds up and down to the geostationary object. Sadly, there's no obvious source of anointed lyrics to be found.

we (still) want wrigley field wallpaper

Which leads me neatly on to Adrianna
just ask someone out, they aren't going to bite you
Lixz, do you wish to set the honourable lady straight here <;

Betsy
Everyone so happy, all uniting over the triumph of an underdog.
Are you seriously suggesting that people didn't think the Cubs would win that? There's just one reason why the Giants had to lose, and that's that they lost.

As the Major Underachievers of the baseball scene, the Cubs remind me of Manchester United circa 1991. Plenty of prospects, some big wins, but never the #1 slot. Until Man U won in '93, and haven't left the top 2 since.

lets hope that our 4-3-3 combination works out tonight
4-3-3 Is Good. A careful balance between defence, and attack. The most aesthetically pleasing of all the combinations, and one of the most effective, I think.

Cassandra
Cartoon: ummm.... well let's see here... probably Animaniacs
Let me spin the wheel of morality: Excellent choice.

Ice Cream: Chocolate Decandence
Is there something that Kris and Bron haven't been telling us...

At 03:10:24 UTC Wed, Shana (sun)
Everyone who is not in #pikestreet right now should get in there ASAP!!!!
Which, for me, wasn't for 28 hours.

there's a big party going on!!! lots of fun!!! be there or be a square!!!
Or even be asleep. What else is there to do at 4 in the morning?!

Answers from 100%, by the way, were A-A-A-FALSE.

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