Babble v1 119

babble-digest Friday, January 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 119

In this issue:
--- How to center a browser window? ---
naming conventions
Looking for site
Re: babble-digest V1 #118
Re: babble-digest V1 #118
Re: --- How to center a browser window? ---
King Salmon for dinner
Delivery Report
Delivery Report
New H5
Broadcasting a live conference
javascript help please
designing for screen resolutions
RE: designing for screen resolutions
Re: designing for screen resolutions
Photoshop and Style Sheets
Re: vector graphics & the web
Re: designing for screen resolutions
Re: vector graphics & the web
Re: designing for screen resolutions
the High Five
re: design Manifesto

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:11:12 +0100
From: tHe creator <creator@klein.de>
Subject: --- How to center a browser window? ---

Hello together,

I´m looking for a JavaApplet that places a new browser window with a
defined width and height in the
center/middle of the clients monitor.

Is there any possibility to do this via JavaScript?

graphically yours,

maRc kleiN

http://www.klein.de
mailto: creator@klein.de

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 04:53:31 +0000
From: douglas farrick <dfarrick@javanet.com>
Subject: naming conventions

Does anyone have any information on specific naming conventions for
files that
they use when designing a site? Any information would be most helpful.
Doug.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:17:27 -0500
From: "Paul" <Glens.Falls@global2000.net>, NY@global2000.net
Subject: Looking for site

Recently, I linked to a site mentioned by someone on the list. It was very
nice--it opened with an anatomy pix of a human, and when you clicked on each
organ (e.g. the ear), you received a message about how that sense was
involved in creating art. It began with the words "I made these pages for
you." Does anyone have the address; I thought I bookmarked it, but obviously
did not! Sorry to bother you all with such a trifling request, but it was
inspiring to me, and I want to point my students to it...

Thanks for this and for all the great advice and opinions.

Paul

Dr. Paul T. Gallipeo
Adirondack Community College
Queensbury, NY 12804-1498

Professor of English

The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play.
- ---Arnold Toynbee

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 05:30:52 -0600
From: Chana Campos <writers@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: babble-digest V1 #118

>>As many of us do, we work a great deal with images
>>created in Photoshop and then diced up to produce
>>GIFs to be pieced together on a web site.
>>Unfortunately, every change to an image requires the
>>back-breaking process of re-cutting up the images.
>>Is there an automated, simple way to do this in PS
>>3.x? or 4.x? Maybe we've been looking over something
>>obvious.

A freeware program that I have downloaded but not installed
yet is called Dicer - it is supposed to -well-"dice" a GIF
into pieces for just this purpose. It might be worth a checkout -

http://www.ziplink.net/~shoestring/dicer01.htm

Chana
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 05:30:52 -0600
From: Chana Campos <writers@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: babble-digest V1 #118

A freeware program that I have downloaded but not installed
yet is called Dicer - it is supposed to -well-"dice" a GIF
into pieces for just this purpose. It might be worth a checkout -

http://www.ziplink.net/~shoestring/dicer01.htm

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:00:59 -0000
From: "Steve Hunt" <steve@tnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: --- How to center a browser window? ---

try this....

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JAVASCRIPT">
function WinOpen()
{
newWin =
window.open("pop.htm","displaywindow2","toolbar=no,directories=no,menubar=no
,resize=no,scrolling=no,width=200,height=40");
if (navigator.appVersion.indexOf("(X11") != -1 ||
navigator.appVersion.indexOf("(Mac") != -1)
newWin =
window.open("pop.htm","displaywindow2","toolbar=no,directories=no,menubar=no
,resize=no,scrolling=no,width=200,height=40");
}
</SCRIPT>

Regards

Steve

(spine...#)

design department
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- -----Original Message-----
From: tHe creator <creator@klein.de>
To: H5 MailingList <babble@highfive.com>
Date: 09 January 1998 09:48
Subject: --- How to center a browser window? ---

Hello together,

I´m looking for a JavaApplet that places a new browser window with a
defined width and height in the
center/middle of the clients monitor.

Is there any possibility to do this via JavaScript?

graphically yours,

maRc kleiN

http://www.klein.de
mailto: creator@klein.de

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:10:39 +0000
From: Rich Portelance <rich@tmsdesign.com>
Subject: King Salmon for dinner

- --------------34F97E075332400C313CF299
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I'm sure someone could write a simple "save selection only" export
plugin... perhaps even one that would simply read the size of the
selection, copy the image, place in a new window with that dimension,
and
then bring up the regular gif export dialog box...

If anyone can do this (and it works well) I'll send a can of Alaskan
Copper River Red Salmon!

- - -- Dustin--

Hope Im the first one too this cause I really love Alaskan Salmon! If
you select a portion of an image in ps4, and the select "save as a copy"
it will save a flattened file in your choice of formats without
effecting your original file (even if it is layered). I use this often
in breaking apart images for the web, and interactive presentations.

«««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««
Richard Portelance TMS Design
Creative Director 461 Danbury Road
New Milford, CT 06776
www.tmsdesign.com T: 860.354.2670
rich@tmsdesign.com F: 860.355.8741
«««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««

- --------------34F97E075332400C313CF299
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<HTML>
I'm sure someone could write a simple "save selection only" export
 plugin... perhaps even one that would simply read the size of the
 selection, copy the image, place in a new window with that dimension,
and
 then bring up the regular gif export dialog box...

If anyone can do this (and it works well) I'll send a can of Alaskan
 Copper River Red Salmon!

- -- Dustin--

Hope Im the first one too this cause I really love Alaskan Salmon! If
you select a portion of an image in ps4, and the select "save as a copy"
it will save a flattened file in your choice of formats without effecting
your original file (even if it is layered). I use this often in breaking
apart images for the web, and interactive presentations.

«««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««
        Richard Portelance        
TMS Design
        Creative Director           
461 Danbury Road
                                              
New Milford, CT 06776
        www.tmsdesign.com      
T: 860.354.2670
        rich@tmsdesign.com      
F: 860.355.8741
        «««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««««</HTML>

- --------------34F97E075332400C313CF299--

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Subject: Delivery Report

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:17:02 -0500
From: Ryan Ferguson <ryan@webworkx.com>
Subject: New H5

Has anyone else noticed a precipitous drop in the quality of H5 this month?

(avoiding tomatoes)

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:40:21 -0500
From: Marc Parent <marc@desedge.com>
Subject: Broadcasting a live conference

If you or someone you know has experience broadcasting a live conference
(sound and video) in real time over the Internet or Intranet please contact
me with some info. This is for a possible job.

Thanks so much

Marc Parent
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 11:52:52 -0400
From: Matt Snow <snow@portland.com>
Subject: javascript help please

Hi all-
Here's my question:
I want to have a user click on an imagemap of Maine and have the town
they clicked on be entered into a hidden form field, then, with other
selected criteria, have the (submit) button search a database.
Can javascript take an imagemap and put the chosen coordinate in a hidden
field?

A firm handshake for those who help.
Matt

________________________. matt snow
_________________________.. designer
___________________________... new media development group
______________________________.... http://www.nmdg.com
___________________________________..... snow@portland.com

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:26:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Erik Wurzer <erik240@aol.com>
Subject: designing for screen resolutions

Okay, here's a question for all you intrepid designers out there... since
you have no way of knowing what resolution the viewer's screen will be at,
how do you determine what you are going to use for a basis of layout? If you
assume people are viewing at 640x480 (the minimum) it creates a very large,
and often unattractive right margin if someone views it at 600 x 800 (or
even greater). If you just put everything within one large surrounding
table, and center it, you don't end up with proper margins on either side,
comprimising the design. However, this to me seems to be the best solution I
have so far.
I know that the web has it's own design problems that in print you never
see... I'm just wondering how people are dealing with it. It seems most
sites cater to the 640 x 480 crowd, but then again, how many site are really
well done?
Let me know your opinions, if you'd please.

- - Erik Wurzer

Gerhard Wurzer Gallery
1217 South Shephard
Houston, TX, 77007
(713) 523-4300
FAX (713) 523-8909

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:53:47 GMT
From: Jason Holland <jason@head-newmedia.com>
Subject: RE: designing for screen resolutions

Quite simply, make the design work at all sizes and create html (e.g. table
width=96%) to alter the page size with your browser.

Not really an opinion, more of a necessity.

Jason Holland (Creative Director)
Head New Media 444 Brixton Road London
Tel: +44(0)171 737 7579 Fax: +44 (0)171 737 7971
http://www.head-newmedia.com http://www.head-space.com/Jay

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 12:59:13 -0400
From: Matt Snow <snow@portland.com>
Subject: Re: designing for screen resolutions

two approaches to this dilemma are popular now:
-creating a "floating" frame that centers in the screen and fits
small monitors
-using javascript to bring up a seperate window that also fits small
monitors

otherwise, it's your call. it's tough to constrain your design to fit a
13" screen, but that's the name of the game, unless you are targeting an
audience that may have larger screens.

matt

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:02:06 -0000
From: "Carla " <cmarina@sprynet.com>
Subject: Photoshop and Style Sheets

Couple questions-

1. I'm looking for maybe something that's shareware for style sheets, or
even some really good ones. Don't mind shelling out the money if it's worth
it.

2. Anyone know of any good resources for photoshop 4? I just got it and I
was maybe looking for some online tutorials, mailing lists, chat, or even
books on it. I'm trying to teach myself, even though I'm gonna take a class
on it....

Thanks everyone....

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Carla Maganinho
CB Media
ICQ# 5128418
Cmarina@sprynet.com or Carla@cb-media.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/cmarina
http://www.cb-media.com
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:13:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Ostroth <marost@vangogh.bergen.org>
Subject: Re: vector graphics & the web

> > When I choose "Save as EPS" in Quark, the resulting file, when opening it
> > in Photoshop, is very much aliased.
>
> I thought PS4 could handle EPS's that PS3 could not. Are you using 4? In
> any case, I use ScreenReady for this as it can handle just about any EPS.
> Send me the EPS if you like (compressed) and I'll send you back a PICT.

I use PS3, and it can very much "handle" the EPS file (it opens it), it's
just that the file, when opened, is very aliased. What site can I
download ScreenReady from? It would be very useful.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 18:19:55 +0000
From: Joe Gillespie <pixelp@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Re: designing for screen resolutions

>If you just put everything within one large surrounding
>table, and center it, you don't end up with proper margins on either side,
>comprimising the design. However, this to me seems to be the best solution I
>have so far.

Erik, Set your overall table width to somthing like 90% and center the
whole table. This gives a margin left and right.

Joe

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:24:33 -0800
From: Todd Fahrner <fahrner@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: vector graphics & the web

Thus spake Mark Ostroth:

> > > When I choose "Save as EPS" in Quark, the resulting file, when
>opening it
> > > in Photoshop, is very much aliased.
> >
> > I thought PS4 could handle EPS's that PS3 could not. Are you using 4? In
> > any case, I use ScreenReady for this as it can handle just about any
>EPS.
> > Send me the EPS if you like (compressed) and I'll send you back a PICT.
>
> I use PS3, and it can very much "handle" the EPS file (it opens it), it's
> just that the file, when opened, is very aliased. What site can I
> download ScreenReady from? It would be very useful.

ScreenReady is a commercial product. If I'm not mistaken (anybody?) they
bundle it with Mac Illustrator now. If you can get the Quark EPS into
Illustrator (with spit and baling wire and whatever obscure utilities you
can dig up) and save it in Illustrator EPS format, I think you can get it
into PS anti-aliased. But I've seen formatting problems with this approach,
so it's mainly academic - my offer stands to run your Quark EPS's through
ScreenReady for your evaluation.

__________________
Todd Fahrner
mailto:fahrner@pobox.com

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:35:31 -0800
From: "michael@net-make.com" <webmaster@net-make.com>
Subject: Re: designing for screen resolutions

At 11:26 AM 1/9/98 -0600, Erik Wurzer wrote:
>Okay, here's a question for all you intrepid designers out there... since
>you have no way of knowing what resolution the viewer's screen will be at,
>how do you determine what you are going to use for a basis of layout?

- ----------------------------

Hi Erik, everyone -

This particular topic has bugged me since day one. However, there may be a
solution:

(NOTE: this is untested, but in theory, it should work - I invite all to
test this out and see if in fact, it is a workaround - it may be specific
to certain browsers, don't know yet).

<head>
<script language="javascript">

</script>
</head>

I sincerely hope this isn't a waste of time in testing - if it does not
work, my apologies to all. But I thought I'd give it a shot, there has to
be *some way* to do this.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 10:59:33 -0800
From: Kevin Travers <kwt@highfive.com>
Subject: the High Five

Hello Babble-Listers!

there have been a lot of questions lately about the High Five, where it
is going, what's happening, etc. We have been listening/reading all of
the comments carefully because the feedback from the folks on this list
is the most important feedback of all, by far.
Please keep the suggestions coming!

There are some big changes in the works for the H5, not the least of
which is a large effort to improve the quality and direction of the
reviews, the features and the rest of the content on the site. There even
more surprises in the works that will be revealed soon! ;)
A lot of new resources are being allocated to this effort, including me!
I have been working hard with the Verso Editions staff to set up a plan
to bring the High Five to the level of quality that it should be at. We
are excited about the things w2e are setting out to achieve, so brace
yourselves, folks!

The most important thing is the feedback from our subscribers. this is
YOUR list, your site, your resource. It is why the H5 exists, so please
tell us about your favorite sites, features that you want to see,
interviews with designers that you know are great, articles on specifc
issues, etc. We can't get enough of these type of requests.

Also, send in your covers! dare to be different. be abstract. challenge
the medium. don't just show me another clever way to display an H and a 5
(even though there have been some of these that are really cool!). Send
in covers that you are personally attahched to; that show who you are,
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We are always looking for good quotes for our splash page as well. Make
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Also, you would be surprised how few people submit their sites to the
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Thanks for weathering the transition with us and stay tuned, it's going
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:25:11 -0600
From: Darrel Austin <daustin@isd.net>
Subject: re: design Manifesto

>I noticed in
>the recent thread about "CKWS" that someone mentioned a client who wanted
>a site that conformed exactly to that book's guidelines for site design. Is
>this a common occurence? How many times have you met someone who has read
>"CKWS" and now thinks they are a top-caliber web designer?

Siegel has written some very excellent books. There is a lot of good advice
in them. However, certain people, for some reason, takes what he says as
gospel. Even though Siegel is VERY opiniated (which I find refreshing) I
doubt he even expects people to take his ideas word-for-word.

I think Siegels books and ideas have been devoured by many of the
non-designer designers...who maybe can't distinguish between advice and
rules.

"Web design", in general has become quite a mainstream ability or concept.
Anyone can go down to B&N and look through 100+ different books on "how to
be a web designer". Why aren't there a "100+" books on "how to be a graphic
designer"? I don't know.

The people that read a "how-to" book and then call themselves an expert in
that field are really not the people professional designers are competing
with...they are the more typical "hobbyist" or "let's start a quick-money
business" type people.

>And I also hope you could give me a little feedback on Black's and
>Mok's philosophies as well. Black seems to me to be the prototypical print
>designer making the jump to web design, and his attitude that certain
>traditions of print design (e.g. "make it big" and use red, white, and
>black whenever possible) are also truisms on the Web as well. Does Black's
>designs cut it in the real world?

I have not thouroghly read Black's book. There is no argument that he is an
excellent designer, but it seems as if he just wanted to "jump on the
web-book bandwagon".

>And is Clement Mok right to assume that
>web design and software design are growing closer together?

I respect Clement Mok's design. He really is a pioneer in electronic media
design and he has a lot of good points. I think it is obvious that web
design and software design ARE growing closer together. Why? Well they are
BOTH viewed on computers. A web site used as a tool (reference, data
retrieva, etc...) will have some very similiar uses and interfaces with
your software tools. Same with entertainment...entertainment web sites will
have interfaces and content similiar to entertainment software.

I would recommend "Designing Business" for anyone to read (Though the CD
that comes with it is pretty pathetic.)

- -Darrel

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