This is the new interview, done in december'96, aftre the releasing of the debut full length 'Nocturnal'. If you can read Italian, here you can find also an old interview, done in '96

Hi Carlo! A long time is passed from your last interview with the freaks of Domina'zine. Do you want to tell us what happened during these last years...
Hi Giuseppe! Yes, time is always running, but not in vain because since the last intie I did with you so many things happened to both of us…. I mean now your zine is quite established in the Italian scene as one of the craziest underground publications and now you're invading the web too!!! As for us we're still the same rotten bunch of lunatics struggling to emerge from the underground. Since last time we have released our third and last demo tape, 'Corpses', which was really successful, we got our name very well spread around… A lot of people wanted to buy that tape, but being the bastards that we actually are, we didn't want to sell them, we only wanted to use 'Corpses' as a promo… So after a while a german label, Quamby Hill Rds, contacted us about releasing a couple of our songs on a split 7"(w/Grief Of God – a german doom outfit) and we decided to use 'Corpses Forever' and 'Isole' from the 'Corpses' tape. Some months after that we released our debut album on new-born dutch label Diamond Rds International. We have done some gigs and interviews from time to time and we reharsed so fucking much and became better musiciens. That's basically all we have done in the last two years!

Do you want to tell us something about this long-awaited 'Nocturnal'?
I could talk about the things surrounding the album forever!!! The fact is that it is like my little child and I know everything about it, so you should be warned when you do such questions! First of all you should know that when we started working on 'Nocturnal' we had received only some offers from underground labels but none of them was fully convincing, so we decided to go ahead our own way, produce the album the way we wanted it, with no budget restrictions and release schedules in front of us… We have done it the way we felt it! It was a bit risky, because we were investing a lot of money and we did not have a deal in our hands, so if no label would have show interest in it, we'd have had a big problem! But all the labels that we had heard up to then seemed to be half harted about 'Nocturnal', I mean they only were interested in releasing it and seeing if it would have sold, but they did not seem to be much interested in investing in the promotional side of the thing. While we were doing the mixing of the album we prepared an advance tape of it and sent it around, and once again we got some positive feedbac, but not the enthusiasm we were looking for! This ended when Diamond Rds International called me and offered to release the album, they really were on the same level as us, we were speking the same tongue really! They wanted to promote us heavily, put us on tour and work a lot on 'Nocturnal'! 3-4 weeks after the first phone call 3 band members went to Holland to meet the people of the label personally, sign the contract and do some interviews and radio appearances. This is the story about how the album was recorded, by the way I cannot avoid mentioning our producer, David Lenci, without whose technical aid, experience and general help things would have turned very different!

It' easy to find debut Cds of Italian bands with a poor production, due to lack of money or haste. 'Nocturnal' instead has a really good production, with a powerful guitar sound and drums that absolutely don't seem a 'machine'... Are you satified about the recording? How many days did you spend for the sessions? The recording was payed from your label?
We spent more than 40 days in David Lenci's own Sound Machine Recording studio… It's really a lot of time, not the usual week that underground bands spend on their works! We tried to do our best in order to give a quality performance and to put all the effects and overdubs we wanted in the songs. A lot of the things that make the album worthy will pass unnoticed at the first listen, but when someone takes some time on it he will discover a lot of effects and hidden things that we spent so much time on and are absolutely great (to me at last!). We knew that releasing our debut album was an important step for us to take, we simply did our best to avoid mistakes… The recording and mixing and mastering of 'Nocturnal' were paid by Resurrecturis + David Lenci, as I told you, we didn't have any labels behind our backs while we were recording!

According to me, one of the winning point of this Cd is the variety inside... I mean: no doubt you are a death metal album, heavy and powerful but are not repeating the same song 10000 times, it's like if you're exploring different sides of death metal: the brutish one, the atmospheric and dark one and so on… it's a 'natural' thing or do you voluntarily avoid to play too-much-similar stuff?
I think you perfectly hit the point! One of the biggest problems with metal (expecially extreme metal) records is that they lack variety… I often put up a disc and stop it after the 5th number because I am dead bored… Many bands avoid risks and prefer to play safe, they work a lot on the brutal sound and get near to perfection in that field, but this can become tedious for 50 minutes in a row… Our songs are an expression of our inner self and we ain't angry all the time, that's why you can hear all those different things going on in our songs, because they represent the way we feel day by day… So I w uld say that it was a natural process that lead us to such variety, but it was really challenging doing that kind of things because we had to work a lot to develop these feelings that we had into something that would have fit in the musical concept of a band like us. Most of the people seemed to be really happy with the way the album is built and I can assure that we are still growing and exploring new fields all the time!

After all these praises, a little bit of self-criticism… In your opinion, which are the most rilevant errors in 'Nocturnal', the things that made you say, the first time you listened the ready Cd :'Arrgh! What the fuck we did here?!'
I think that if I had the chance to, I could even be capable of re-recording the whole “Nocturnal” from the start to the end, but that would be ultimately futile, I mean, the record ain't bad, it's not perfect, but it would not be perfect even if we record it 10 times, because there is always something that you could do better than you do… Nevertheless, this is more on a philosophical level than on practical one: in fact if you want to know which are the things that we'd like to change in our album, well there are some ideas that we have developed about recording techniques that we'd like to experiment with our songs, especially about the guitars and also the frequencies of the bass… Also I really wanted to add one effect at the beginning of “2 Flashes” but hat could not be possible and I regret it, because it would have been great! So that's basically all, as you see we're pretty happy with what we have done, we feel that there are not any mistake that you can hear even in the most articulated passages, but you also can be sure that for our next album we'll do a way better job!

Listening your songs is easy to entertain suspicions that you are not a 'I-listen-only-metal-fuck-all-different-music' guys. Which are your extra-metal listenings? How do you think that these influences can have part in your sound?
We listen to every kind of music, really… Our favourite kind of music is metal stuff, but we ain't close minded towards other kind of music. Two of my favourite Italian bands are Three Second Kiss who plays noise in the vein of Shellac and Cut who is punk rock'n'roll… I'd love to do some gigs with them, but unfortunately the audiences are not as open minded as we are so there's really little chances that a gig like that will ever happen! Also I like dark wave music, some pop, industrial, etc… All this stuff that we listen to leaves some trace in our song-writing style, which becomes more varied as time passes..

Wild Rags, Nosferatu, you use to 'play' with dangerous labels… With the Wild Rags all is gone OK, I think but… with Nosferatu? 'Nocturnal' was scheduled for Nosferatu rec, wasn't it?
Yes, you are right… Nosferatu faxed us a very cool deal that we really were interested in. We chatted with them for some time but I knew that the recording of “Nocturnal” would have been a long one, and maybe things could change for Nosferatu during that period, so we just had some phone calls with them, talking about a possible agreement, but we did not sign anything and that was a really wise move, because by the time “Nocturnal” was finished all the mess surrounding Nosferatu had come to light and we quickly decided to turn to somebody else and we were totally free to do what we wanted because we had no signed paper which gave rights on our work to anyone! As for Wild Rags Rds, the real truth is that when we licensed our 2nd demo to them they did exactly what they promised to us and I would not call them rip offs in any way. Richard C. is a good dude! He had an interest in our album, but we wanted to have a kind of promotion and distribution that he really could not grant us in Europe, so we turned his offer down, still I think he was cool towards us!

You are a dweller of the musical underground from… how many years? A lot of time, for sure… So, Ancient One, which are the main differences within the early days of your activity and nowadays? Do you think that the underground is stronger now?
I've been an active part of the heavy metal underground since 1985, that was the first time I started writing for a fanzine (named Cerebral Haemorrhage)! Back then death metal was so fucking underground that you could not hear talking about it in any official magazine. It was something really obscure and hard to find: only Possessed, Venom, Kreator, Celtic Frost, Bathory, Sodom & Destruction were receiving some sort of exposure, for the rest you had to look for in all those small fanzines (Decibels Of Death, Blackthorn, Slayer, Metal Caos, Deathfuck, Morbid Mag…). That was unbelievable, it was like one big family where we all knew each other. We traded tapes because it was impossible to find the contacts to many of the bands… I still remember when I received a tape from a friend from Ireland with the Master advance for the 1986 unreleased album: I was just back from school and I started listening to it and I was blown away, it was unbelievable!!! Also the first time I grabbed a hold on Napalm Death's “Scum” it was a shock for me, there was nothing that extreme back then! Killer records/demos from bands like Sarcofago, Necrovore, Death, Genocide/Repulsion, Carcass, Unseen Terror and so on really changed my life, nothing was the same anymore, I felt like I was part of something bigger than what I was. I was doing a fanzine (Lethal Metal 1986-1990) and spent 100% of my spare time contacting those people and doing things for the scene! I was getting a shitload of demo tapes but many of them were real shit, especially those from Italy, because a lot of people wanted to be extreme, but they didn't have a clue of what extremity meant (because they ever had the luck to experience those brutal bands that I named above!), but the people was cool and friendly anyway… It was mainly because of the work of hundreds of underground maniacs that the death metal boom of 1990/92 was possible – Earache had the guts to invest on it and won, but that changed things forever, the scene turned out into a business and the music became acceptable in a way… In 1995 I quitted writing for Rockerilla Magazine (one of Italy's biggest rock mags. G.) because I did not feel my help was needed anymore. Death & Black metal were selling thousand of copies and it all had become like business and nobody could care less i.e. when Possessed reformed and did a killer demo (which I could not succeed to give some exposure in those fucking magazine)… I was sad and shattered and felt like something had been stolen from me! That's one of the main reasons why I quitted writing and concentrated myself on playing… Today the underground does not exist anymore! There is no need for that! The shittiest band on the planet can release an album and sell 1000 copies of it 3 months after his birth, that is not underground! In the eighties the bands had to struggle so hard to get a record deal and it was like natural selection, because only the strong and best bands survived. Today it is trendy to say you are underground and uncommercial while back then it was a matter of fact – nobody would have ever invested a cent on the likes of Morbid Angel and Nihilist (later Entombed). What I miss more of those years, is the originality of the band and the sense of community which we all had! This is lost forever, because the conditions are changed… In a way it is sad seeing all those glorious names of my musical youth (Necrodeath, Infernal Majesty, etc.) coming back to life, because in my deep self I know that things won't ever be the same again!!!

In all these years of life (as Resurrecturis) have you ever said: 'Fuck, who the hell makes me do it?'. So, who made you do it, to form a band, to spend a lot of money, time and energy?
I say things like that everyday since I first got into the underground in 1985, I think!

I've read in the last issue of 'Healter Skelter' an interview with Jorg Büttgereit made by a certain Carlo Strappa. A case of homonymy? Do you think that the fanzines are useful? What do you look for in a 'well done'zine?
Yes, that's me! It was really fun to interview such great individuals as Jorg Büttgereit (director of "Nekromantik 1+2", "Der Todesking" and "Schramm") and David Kerekes (editor of Headpress magazine + author of such enlightening books as “Sex Murder Art”, “Killing For Culture” and “Critical Vision”). Doing interviews like that was so fucking refreshing after 10.000 boring musical interviews where all the bands had nothing better to do than advertise their latest album and saying how great musiciens and philosophers they were. Fuck it! 90% of the b.m. bands have nothing more than shit in their brains and is no fun talking with them! They say they only read philosophical books, while I'm sure that they are taking some time to understand the jokes on Mickey Mouse's strips! They read “The Satanic Bible” and think they are Aleister Crowley! This is ridiculous, in ten years from now when they will look back at what they have said they will understand how pathetic they are! Nearly all fanzines are good because the people are sacrificing their time to help out the bands… Some fanzines are better than others, because they are original (in their way of writing, their approach or their subjects) and interview good/interesting bands or individuals with in-depth questions. Also a readable an nice looking lay out when possible adds to the appeal of the publication. My fave metal zines are Sounds Of Death, Master Of Brutality, Final Holocaust, Metal Curse, Metal Core, Ill Literature, Decibels Storm, Headfucker. Non musical rags that I enjoy are Healter Skelter, Answer Me!, Amarcord, Sewer Cunt,etc.

Which are your favourite movies/director (Büttgereit a part)?
My favourite movie of all times is “Blade Runner” from Ridley Scott, I really love the athmosphere and the way it enunciates philosophical questions. It's a film that moves me quite deeply, like few other things can! I like going to the cinema quite often and there are so many different movies that I would recommend ("The Truman Show", "There's Something About Mary", "Clerks", "The Thing", "The Body Snatchers", "Pulp Fiction", "Reservoir Dogs", "Men Behind The Sun", "Hardcore", "Taxi Driver", any F. Truffaut, any R. Meyer, any S. Kubrik, etc. etc.!!!), you better watch out for yourself!

What do you think about Carmen Consoli, as a musician and as a woman?
Nice, pretty woman, if you have the chance to, tell her if she'd like to have Resurrecturis as opening act for her next tour!

Future projects?
We should go out for a European tour in February, then more single gigs will follow. A new album is already written but we'll take some time before we start working on it… We want to concentrate on "Nocturnal" now… A picture vinyl of "Nocturnal" should be released on may and we're looking for someone who can do a tape version of it as well. Doing more interviews like this one and maybe a couple of TV appearances!

OK That's all… Do you have anything else to say?
Not much, really! I think I have bored the readers enough already, so I just want to tell you to listen to our album if you can and eventually buy it (I want to buy a new car, so that would help!)… THX for your great questions… Peace & love!