Posted by Cecilia on November 19, 1997 at 15:24:30:
In Reply to: Re: Santino vs. Armand posted by LP on November 19, 1997 at 14:34:46:
: It never actually says this, no. However, it can be infered that it was either Santino himself or on Santino's orders that Armand was pulled from the flames. I say this because: It is a given that Santino led the attack on Marius. Rice has said so herself, even if it is not specified in the pages. Armand was taken away in the belly of a ship to someplace else, where there was a big bonfire. A Sabbat. Note the chanting, singing and dancing. Santino would have been present to lead the Sabbat. Santino was leader, and what he said went. If he wanted Armand dead, he would have been thrust back into the flames or killed some other way. Santino then later 'accepts' him into the coven, and tells him of the rules, in a much more formal and intimate manner. Given the hierarchical nature of the covens I highly doubt that the vampires would have a great big bonfire without the coven leader. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.
: Also remember that all we know about this are Armand's memories, and given the fact that he was nearly killed, they may be jumbled, hence the lack of detail. Armand was probably too frightened to pay attention to whom was doing what and who was there.
Well, I will have to agree with that.
: I'm not so certain it wasn't more along the lines of Armand wanting Lestat to submit to him. Lestat's admitting love to Armand would have been a source of power for Armand, and Lestat didn't want to give him that power, and didn't want to pay that price for the blood. He came to Armand as a friend, and Armand choose to look at it as an estranged would-be lover. Question: Did Armand *really* love Lestat?
Lestat seems to get himslef in many problems for not saying those he loves he really does. Armand was hurt when Lestat left him alone, and was more hurt when he didn't want him when he returned. Of course he loved Lestat. But when he realized lestat only wanted to... how to say... use him, he decided to part Lestat from Louis (a choice I would question, Louis made him suffer a lot).
: Now leave Santy alone!!! ;-)
: 'Sides, Eric's on his side, and Eric's stronger than Mael
yeah, but Khayman likes Armand, and he is stronger than Eric. (I feel silly, but I am really having fun).
: : Then you mean that Santino attacked Marius only because he was an *heretic*? I don't agree, they tortured Armand until they were sure he didn't know anything about them.
: Because the leagends of the Source Of All Power *might* have been true. But even after torturing Armand there was still no proof.
: Having Marius alive and living among humans and creating fledglings was a threat to Santino's power and authority, and it had to be neutralized. And it was. Marius stayed out of the picture after Santy's attack. Objective achieved. (While granted he did want him dead, the goal was still achieved. Other vampires could no longer question, Hey why can't we be doing that?)
Well, Marius certainly *dissapeared* after that. But Santino made all that mess for nothing, he could have learned a lot from Marius. Finally, he, Santino, also had to change.
And Armand won that game! (smile)
Cecilia