Take a look - cute aren't they!
But with their genes what else could they be?

More photos (particularly of Shannon) still to come


This is Shannon on left and Rebecca on right
taken at Xmas, 1995
(Apologies to Botticelli and his Birth of Venus)
You may be able to tell - but we just adore our nieces.

They are both very good company and care only about how people treat them and the people that they love; not "who" you are or whether your partner happens to be another boy. Their naturalness and their unconcern gives us hope for the future, one in which true human dignity will be recognised and not merely paid lip-service to.

Their attitudes are so refreshing in a World that is often so condemnatory toward 'different' people such as ourselves and we sincerely hope they never lose their enthusiasm for observing, learning and growing. Life's journey will change them but we hope never to see that enthusiasm diminish.

To watch them discover the World and all it's confusing and apparently contradictory parts is one of our greatest pleasures - we are truly blessed to know them and to be part of their lives.

Rebecca, now 6 (17 July 1992), is currently going through her gender identification stage (read: being really girly). She has a burning ambition to be our bridesmaid, wear a huge pink frock and be the centre of attention (she thinks).

She sees her Uncles together; they love one another and share their lives, they support and rely on each other, hug and hold hands and kiss each other goodbye. To Rebecca it's crystal clear - we are a couple and therefore we should have a wedding.

So, how can you explain why our relationship is not recognised under the law other than by simply saying "Some people won't let us"?

That was fine for awhile (let's face it, people won't let her do things all the time!) but now she is starting to ask why 'they' won't and who 'they' are anyway. If you say it's because we are gay she just looks at you with this expression of
"But of course you are stupid...but that doesn't explain anything!".

If only we could all see the World as she does from time to time.

Just as Rebecca is rather shy and reflective Shannon is inquisitive and afraid of nothing.

If there is something that can be climbed, opened, poked at or picked up you be certain Shannon will try it out. Guess this attitude comes with trying to keep up with the big kids and having an older sibling.

Shannon also has this very tough and obstreperous streak in her - she gets the wickedest look in her eyes and you just know she's about to spring something on you like throw herself off the monkey bars or leap into the deep end of the pool. You need eyes in the back of your head!

At 4 years old (26 January 1994) Shannon is wa-aay less "girly" than Rebecca and willingly plays with mud and jumps in puddles, much to her big sister's eternal public shame.

If only we could all see the World as Shannon does from time to time too!


Here is Rebecca, all of 3 months with wicked bed-hair and weighing in as quite a hefty little baby - this must be genetic when you see Grant's baby photos!

A nice close up of Shannon during an outing to a park with her keeping a close eye on the ducks (Just you little bastards wait until I can walk and then you're in trouble!)

Above: Uncle Dale & Shannon on a hot Xmas day, 1998
Right: A baby Shannon with her Mum (Liesl)
 Left: Why is Grant wearing no shirt? Because Rebecca, still looking decidedly seedy, had just thrown up on him! Rebecca about 5 months old.

Right: Shannon at 10 months and now walking around, with a friend for company of course.
On a side note, Indonesia is a great place to buy children's shoes with a good range and low prices and the shopgirls just kill themselves laughing with two men arguing over kids shoes. We have bought back several including a pair of first-walkers that had a squeeker in the heels and which Shannon thought were just wild - at least we could tell where she was
"squeek, squeek, squeek..."

Indonesia is also great for children's clothes, particularly T-shirts, shorts and dresses although you have to make a big adjustment when selecting for the much slighter build of Indonesian children. (Rebecca at 4 needed clothes for an Indonesian 7 or 8 year old to get adequate width - you can always easily take the hems up but skinny armholes are another matter).

Asian's tend to dress their girls in very frilly and flouncy numbers and some of the more extreme make excellent fairy dresses. We bought back a pink tulle and bejewelled extravaganza for about A$15 that would have cost a fortune in Australia. With a couple of satin wings whipped up on the Husqvarna and a wand it turned Rebecca into a Fairy Princess of the first degree - and like she didn't realize this, the way she pranced around in it.

We had visions of a 5 year old birthday girl having a huge sulk and a clothes-ripping tantrum because some guest had dared turn up in a 'prettier' frock than hers! Life is harsh, not every girl has gay uncles.

Speaking of gay uncles...one would think Dale has been coaching Rebecca. But no, this was an entirely natural pose adopted well away from us!

The first we knew Rebecca could pull a pose like this was on seeing this photo - and we nearly choked ourselves laughing. The water-wings and the belly poking out make a very nice touch.

A Drag Queen in the making?
Xmas Presents!

Left: Rebecca receives a lawnmower that we spent ages looking for. The noise very loud and it was made of steel and therefore unbreakable. Liesl loved it...

Right: The girls receive a sand pit and Shannon, as usual, just cannot wait to try it out.
Above: The girls just love attending Pride Days - you get presents, and you get hotdogs, and you get to see dog shows and you get to go on dodgem-cars! Here we are at Midsumma carnival 1998. Ahh, Rebecca that sign says no deliberate bumping...oh, never mind...CRASH!!!
Above: Shannon screamed with excitement the whole ride (poor Uncle Dale went deaf) - it was so high pitched you couldn't hear her as she drove away but you certainly knew about it as she came flying toward you. Of course, she had to wear the fairy dress.
Right: A beautiful shot of Shannon (in The Fairy Dress) from February 1998.

This photo, taken as she bounced around inside an inflatable castle, shows up her mischievous nature perfectly.

We had borrowed the girls for the weekend, one day of which they went to a fundraiser for the SSOV (Dale was working the sausage sizzle) and the other of which was Midsumma.
 Left: How do you trick kids into eating vegetables? You let kids choose them at the market and then help prepare them. That way they they forget they are supposed to hate them.

Above: Only four other people are permitted to touch Dale's hair - Grant, Dale's haircutter and the girls. Here they are doing him over at their Salon on Xmas day, 1997. You should try get hair clips stay put in short and waxed hair...

Our Child-Minding philosophies when we borrow kids...

It was put to us in an ugly email (from someone in the US we didn't know) that "people like you shouldn't allowed near children" (sic). They went on to claim the girls were in mortal moral danger, that they would probably "turn lesbian" and that we were "no doubt extremely indulgent so that you promote your lifestyle to them". Yeah, sure... and you are an idiot.

The question of the girls sexuality is absolutely a non-issue with us. We know that the research is very clear and has disproved any influence factors. Even children with mothers living entirely in a lesbian relationship (or adoptive gay fathers etc) are gay in the usual proportion. The only difference seen with such children is that they grow up with a better understanding of people's differences and more tolerant attitudes (ie they are less racist, sexist or homophobic). The one thing we do work for is that the girls never experience any anguish should they actually be gay later in life. No-one in this family is going to put them down or make them feel unable to talk about it and they are growing up with both gay and straight role models (on both sides).

We are also quite happy to support the girls in their gender identification as girls and to help let them see that gender has nothing to do with what hobbies they should like or - later- what subjects they should study or what career they should choose. That will be entirely up to them, our job is to see they get the opportunity to safely try new things and to support them if they show talent or a desire to further it. Our attitudes to boys are the same.

On the question of indulgence this can be answered in two parts. Firstly we are extremely indulgent when it comes to making them feel loved and secure. If they want a hug or a kiss then they will get it. If they want to snuggle up in our lap, they know we will not push them away. If they want to read a book with us, we will do it. If they want a horse-back ride, then (providing the moment is appropriate) we will get down on our hands and knees and give it to them!

On the other side we are far from indulgent when it comes to buying toys or junk-food. They have sufficient of both, but not frequently or as a substitute for our own laziness. Keeping two young kids "amused" takes a lot of time and can become very tiring - but that's our problem and not theirs. There's time for games, and there's time for fun; but there's also time to help clean the house and to help prepare the meals. Provided it is done with the right spirit from us the girls seem to enjoy (nearly) all the things we do together.

Of course, there's another aspect to raising children and that's directing them into "correct" social behaviour.

Some people feel they need only ram religion down a child's throat and that is enough to ensure they will be a "good" person. No, it is not. Of more basic importance is that they learn the twin attributes of both standing on your own feet and being mindful of others. Independence without caring for others is self-centred. Caring only about what other's think and not having a mind of your own would do nothing other than make you a life-long victim. Later they may well find a religious code that helps them balance these twin attributes, but firstly they must know what those attributes are. Any religion without understanding those basics is mere brainwashing, suitable only to establish cults.

So, there's "no tolerance of intolerant behaviour"! If another child is behaving badly toward them the girls are taught to firstly give the child an opportunity to desist and then to stand up for themself. Using violence - of any form, or even garnered from others - is taught as a very poor way to deal with situations, no matter how frustrating the situation may be. Defending oneself must be both measured and controlled; and only to the point of no longer being required.

On this we do not take a hypocritical stance. We do not use abusive language, or put-downs and we certainly do not hit the girls. We would only consider doing so if there was no other approach and if they were in great physical danger through us failing to hit them. Calling it "smacking" or "chastisement" is to our minds a cop out. It's hitting, pure and simple. And it's using violence to achieve your own wishes.

[Often forgotten in all the nonsense about "tough love" and "spare the rod, spoil the child" is that so-called "tough-love" rarely comes across as anything but to either the recipient or to outsiders and that the rod referred to is the shepherd's crook. Shepherds do not use their crook to hit their sheep, it merely being used to guide the sheep's direction or to restrain it.]

Sure, the girls may temporarily alter their behaviour and they would learn we can hit hard (and come to fear that) but resorting to violence is a bad lesson for anyone to learn and it usually overwhelms the real lesson. We have never hit them, never had occasion to hit them and - frankly - would consider ourselves as having failed in some other way if we were to ever have to hit them.

  • If Shannon insists on wearing stupid slippery shoes out shopping, then it is her look-out when she falls over in the Supermarket. Falling flat on her bum is her problem - no real harm done (except to her dignity!) and maybe next time she won't think the tap-shoes are suitable street shoes. Until then, we will ignore the annoying and attention seeking tap-tap-tap.

  • If we know Rebecca will have a turn because we won't put the TV on during the day then it is up to us to ensure other activities are possible. It's amazing how many hours you can spend on a wet day with nothing more than a few blankets, chairs and the kitchen pots and pans! Hey girls - let's make our own play house! Bored? Then do something!

There is so much to do in this great big World and so much we, as their Uncles, can enable them to experience. Even the simple pleasures of visiting a cafe in Prahran, or taking the tram down to St Kilda can be a wonderful adventure and it gives us so much pleasure (and pride) to see the joy on their faces whenever a "new thing" happens and they master it.

In ending, we are both strict in some ways and utterly indulgent in others. Some things are not allowed, some things are allowed at the right time and some things are freely available. Through this we hope to model good behaviour and to encourage them to likewise behave well. Producing honest, happy and caring fellow citizens is the ultimate aim.

The truth be said - they are both well behaved kids and give us little cause for grief.


Above: Shannon cutting her 3rd birthday cake

Right: a very fetching shot of Uncle Dale suffering his brand new hair-do.
("That's not a hair-do, that's a hair-don't")


Xmas day, 1998   Santa was very nice this year and decided to haul a cubby house into the girl's backyard. Actually, he was a little lazy and left Grandpa and Uncle Grant to build it up on a day that reached 40degC (104degF). Our present to the girls was a small stove and sideboard that Grant spent a week making out of timber - they turned out quite good considering he'd never done anything like this before and just worked out the plans in his head as he went along. Yes, all those doors, knobs and drawers work!

As always, Shannon ignored the camera and Rebecca thought she was a "Sale of the Century" showcase model or something...



Favourite Sayings they have had

Rebecca
  • "Do you know what?..." (insert the bleedingly obvious here, look surprised)
  • "I know, let's have a tea party!"
  • "But she likes it - she's laughing" (When told to stop jumping on her sister)
  • "Mum! Mum! Shannon's trying to -------" (Insert any dangerous activity here)
  • "Will there be any chips?"
  • "Let's draw a picture, but I won't let Shannon get the Textas" (which means...get me some old butcher's paper and let me use the Textas and not just those crappy pencils)
Shannon
  • "Noooooo!"
  • "Mine, I can do it"
  • "A dog!..." (As she runs toward the nearest mangy stray)
  • "Rebecca do it" (The old childhood principle of spreading blame)
  • "But why can't I?" (No Shannon, you may not play with the electric cords!)
  • "I will so!" (Over my dead body you will do that Shannon...)

 Rebecca on St Kilda beach

Taken a couple of years ago when we 'borrowed' her on a Winter's day - Mum hadn't packed enough warm clothes so she ended up wearing everything at once (hopefully that explains the bold fashion statement she's making).
Is this not every little girls idea of heaven - on the beach, a drink, a box of BBQ Shapes and your uncles promising to push you on the swings in a few minutes! This is one of our favourite photos of Rebecca, it captures her gentle and sunny nature perfectly.

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