Posted by Cecilia on November 19, 1997 at 09:32:10:
In Reply to: Re: Santino vs. Armand posted by LP on November 19, 1997 at 07:50:33:
: Why not? From Santino's point of view they were rogue's who needed to be destroyed. They were a threat to his power, heretics, whatever. Marius, and therefore his fledgling had to be destroyed. And Santy was not going to steal him originally. I remember Armand being thrown into a big bonfire before Santino pulled him out.
Wait a minute, there's no place in the book where it says that Santino was who pulled him out. Actually, if I remember well (and I have a very good memory), all the scene was without Santino. He only appeared later.
: I love Armand's concept of love. Interesting to say the least. Dangerous to say even more.
Everything with a vampire is dangerous. Armand was jealous. If you remember, when he saw Lestat he was happy (Lestat said so), but when Lestat started talking about Louis and *give me your blood* as if poor Armand were a blood container...
: I've thought about that alot. I can think of a few reasons which I really don't have the time to substantiate, but I can list them.
: 1) Santino got bored with his little game.
: 2) There was a power struggle in the coven and Santino was going to lose, so he got out quick. (A challenge to his power.)
: 3) He got sick of his on sadistic tendancies, so he "reformed"
: 4) Someone came after him (Mael for instance, in retribution for what was done to Marius.)
: 5) The coven became too restrictive for him.
: I am leaning towards either #2 or #5, and maybe #1. And of course, it could have been many factors which lead him to abandon the coven, and the time was just right when he left. (For instance, he knew he was going to leave, and the best way to escape, without killing off the coven which might lead to retribution for other coven leaders) was to make the coven more dependant on him, and then just disappear. Thus the coven is left in confusion, and nobody can sort out exactly what happened. Did he go mad? Did he go into the fire? What?
I would agree in # 2. However I find # 4 fascinating, I could start liking Mael. (grin)
: : Tsk, tsk, blaming the student?
: That wasn't his primary objective. His primary objective was killing the heretics. Destroying them. Those Who Must Be Kept were myths by Santino's time. There was absolutely no evidence except rumors:
: "'Did he never tell you? What are Those Who Must Be Kept?'
: "'And so they did not understand it either. It was no more than a phrase to them as it was to him.'"
: The mere fact that the rumours might be true was most likely one of the reasons Armand was spared.
Then you mean that Santino attacked Marius only because he was an *heretic*? I don't agree, they tortured Armand until they were sure he didn't know anything about them.
: : I'll ask you a question now, why didn't Santino kill Armand?
: Because he could be manipulated and turned to the coven's ways. He had no personality set in yet, and he was still malleable.
I agree with that.
Cecilia
: LP.