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babble-digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 199
In this issue:
Re: ugly borders within clientside clickmaps
Re: babble-digest V1 #197
RE: Explorer scripting ?!?
RE: Explorer scripting ?!?
Re: Inspiration & Theft
Re: Inspiration & Theft
re: question about not using URLs at times
Re: Mac and IE4 problems
Site Critique
RE: Inspiration & Theft
Only the strong will survive
Re: Portfolio sites
Re: Only the strong will survive
Listing certain directories in server folders via CGI?
Type quality for web images
Re: babble-digest V1 #198
URL/domain name/trademark court case
HTML?
babble-digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 198
In this issue:
ugly borders within clientside clickmaps
Thanks
working with fonts
racist remarks and your quiet admin
Re: Helvetica wanted
Introduce Myself?
Re: Here's a question.
Re: Site critique
Inspiration & Theft
linked portfolios
Re: Plumb design
RE: Here's a question.
Re: Here's a question.
TECH/HTML DHTML webzine
Pet Peeve about Dreamweaver
Explorer scripting ?!?
Re: Site critique
Re: babble-digest V1 #197
babble-digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 197
In this issue:
stinking towel heads
Here's a question.
QUASI-ADMIN: End of thread (was RE: stinking towel heads)
Re: Site critique
babble-digest Wednesday, February 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 196
In this issue:
Re: your comments on Photoshop alternatives...
Re: babble-digest V1 #193
Re: I'd like to educate John Shelley
RE: Photoshop alternatives...
Re: unbelievable URL mis/redirection...
Re: unbelievable URL mis/redirection...
racist commentary...
Re: your comments on Photoshop alternatives...
Re: Photoshop alternatives...
multiple frame swaps
RE: Photoshop alternatives...
Optimizing Sites
URL to check out
Re: your comments on Photoshop alternatives...
John Shelley re:who would you like to kill
Re: multiple frame swaps
Bring on the flame
Re: design houses, software alternatives
Re: Bring on the flame
Site critique
Re: your comments on Photoshop alternatives...
Helvetica wanted
babble-digest Wednesday, February 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 195
In this issue:
Re: what 'penultimate' really means/alternative software....
Re: unbelievable URL mis/redirection...
babble-digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 194
In this issue:
Re: quick table problemo...
re: sound without java
your comments on Photoshop alternatives...
Lots of answers in one post...
A Basic Text Problem
who would you like to kill?
Loading variable pages into a new window with frames?
Re: who would you like to kill?
Re: Loading variable pages into a new window with frames?
Re: popping out of a frame with javascript
I'd like to educate John Shelley
what 'penultimate' really means/alternative software....
Helvetica wanted !
unbelievable URL mis/redirection...
Re: Copyright infringement
babble-digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 193
In this issue:
Re: Pre-Load script Needed
Signatures On the Net
Copyright Javascripts
sound without java
new technology
Copyright infringement
Re: popping out of a frame with javascript
Re: parent window
marginwidth and height
Baffled...Mac-Netscape 3.0
re: Copyright this!? was re: popping out of a frame with javascrip
who would you like to kill
Re: Baffled...Mac-Netscape 3.0
quick table problemo...
RE: JS Copyright Stuff
give it away
Re: quick table problemo...
Re: Alternative?
Re: Java versions of Plug Ins
Re: JS Copyright Stuff
Re: Baffled...Mac-Netscape 3.0
babble-digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 192
In this issue:
re: Signature on site
Re: babble-digest V1 #191
Reducing screen captures for the web
Color It for Macs...
Alternative?
Re: popping out of a frame with javascript
Re: popping out of a frame with javascript
Re: Alternative?
RE: popping out of a frame with javascript
Copyright this!? was re: popping out of a frame with javascript
Re: Reducing screen captures for the web
Re: popping out of a frame with javascript
babble-digest Monday, February 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 191
In this issue:
Re: babble-digest V1 #190
HTML: Re: CSS compatibility issues
Re: Putting a signature on a site
RE: Putting a signature on a site
Public Service Web Sites
Re: babble-digest V1 #190
Re: Putting a signature on a site
popping out of a frame with javascript
Re: popping out of a frame with javascript
Re: Putting a signature on a site
RE: Putting a signature on a site
Re: Paralell sites
babble-digest Monday, February 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 190
In this issue:
Creating channels
Re: Putting a signature on a site
Countdown Javascript
Re: babble-digest V1 #187
Preload Script
Re: GIF Export
Re: Putting a signature on a site
That great, great site
IE 4.01 Pop-Ups
re color mappings in IE
Optimizing for the Aol Browser
Re: Creating channels
Java versions of Plug Ins
Re: Optimizing for the Aol Browser
CSS compatibility issues
babble-digest Sunday, February 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 189
In this issue:
addendum to gif export in photoshop
Re: measure the screen?
Re: gif export in photoshop
Re: measure the screen?
end of plug-ins for Flash?!?
Putting a signature on a site
Passwords / Web fonts
Re: Putting a signature on a site
devSearch - A Search Engine by Developers, for Developers
color mapping in IE
babble-digest Saturday, February 7 1998 Volume 01 : Number 188
In this issue:
Re: IE4 Mac CSS Problems
Re: Paralell sites
Re: Paralell sites
babble-digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 187
In this issue:
RE: Here Goes another Site Check
measure the screen?
Re: The first unofficial Babble Archive
Re: trademark cost
Pre-Load script Needed
Re: IE4 Mac CSS Problems
Re: IE4 Mac CSS Problems
RE: IE4 Mac CSS Problems
RE: Copyright Info
Re: IE4 Mac CSS Problems
RE: preload Script
Re: IE4 Mac CSS Problems
Paralell sites
Re: Paralell sites
Re: Paralell sites
babble-digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 186
In this issue:
Re: use pixels, not points (CSS)
Image positioning using CSS
Here Goes another Site Check
Juha Rudanko
"getting screwed"
RE: Copyright Info
babble-digest Thursday, February 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 185
In this issue:
www.init2000.net SITE-CHECK..
Tables in tables in frames
Re: www.init2000.net SITE-CHECK..
Re: www.init2000.net SITE-CHECK..
Re: Tables in tables in frames
Re: all that newfangled web stuff (4.0 browsers)
RE: Flash stability...
CSS width element babble-digest V1 #184
Re: babble-digest V1 #184
department name
Legal contracts
Re: all that newfangled web stuff
"Amateur" Web Design Festival
Re: all that newfangled web stuff
The first unofficial Babble Archive
Re: The first unofficial Babble Archive
openscape and standards
openscape and standards
babble-digest Thursday, February 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 184
In this issue:
Re: not good enough
Re: all that newfangled web stuff
Re: all that newfangled web stuff
A cool Flash'd site
Crossbrowser question-JavaScript Jump?
RE: Crossbrowser question-JavaScript Jump?
Flash stability...
Re: all that new fangled stuff
Re: department name
CSS width element
Re: babble-digest V1 #183
RE: babble-digest V1 #183
App Question-3D Studio Max
About the Webmonkey/Seybold Seminars
page/screen sizing tool for Mac
RE: Copyright Info
Re: About the Webmonkey/Seybold Seminars
3.0 browsers still dominate
Re: all that newfangled web stuff (4.0 browsers)
babble-digest Wednesday, February 4 1998 Volume 01 : Number 183
In this issue:
Re: Stability of flash + banner advertising?
Re: maximize windows?
re: gettin paid . . .
Contextual links
Re: Contextual links
Re: maximize windows?
Re: gettin paid - gettin screwed
all that newfangled web stuff
Re: use pixels, not points (CSS)
Department name
Re: Department name
Legal Contracts
Re: all that newfangled web stuff
Re: all that newfangled web stuff
saturation (gettin paid - gettin screwed)
Re: not good enough
babble-digest Wednesday, February 4 1998 Volume 01 : Number 182
In this issue:
The Future of Flash
Re: IE4 Mac CSS Problem Demo
Re: CSS degradation was IE4 mac CSS problems
Use pixels not points, was Re: Link to different stylesheets
Flash books...
100% Flash/Flash books...
Re:Flames/Juha
gettin paid . . .
Re: gettin paid . . .
Re: Stability of flash + banner advertising?
babble-digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 01 : Number 181
In this issue:
Re: Trademarking
Re: CSS Paragraphs
Flames/Juha
Re: drop down menu for AOL?
RE: babble-digest V1 #179
Re: not good enough
Re: not good enough
Re: GRAPHICS: good 3D apps for Mac?
Re: not good enough
Re: A "Refreshing" Post
trademarking
Re: Stability of flash + banner advertising?
Hooray! I coined a phrase!
Re: A "Refreshing" Post
Re: Link to different stylesheets
babble-digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 01 : Number 180
In this issue:
Re: CSS Paragraphs
Honda woman (?) is just as confused
Flash 2 book (not the manual)
Link to different stylesheets
Re: Trademarking
Re: Trademarking
CSS degradation was IE4 mac CSS problems
Re: GRAPHICS: good 3D apps for Mac?
Animated gif problem: PC MSIE 4.0
RE: Site content and design issues
not good enough
Job - Web page designer/HTML Technician (Portland, ME)
valentine
re: Site content and design issues
Re: not good enough
Re: GRAPHICS: good 3D apps for Mac?
babble-digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 01 : Number 179
In this issue:
Re: Best hosts - top performance
Site content and design issues
babble-digest Monday, February 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 178
In this issue:
A "Refreshing" Post
Re: Trademarking
Re: A "Refreshing" Post
Re: Trademarking
honda site
maximize windows?
Re: IE4 Mac CSS Problem Demo
GRAPHICS: good 3D apps for Mac?
Honda
Re: Trademarking
Re: CSS Paragraphs
Re: Trademarking
Re: Trademarking
Re: Trademarking
Re: IE4 Mac CSS Problem Demo
Re: CSS Paragraphs
babble-digest Monday, February 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 177
In this issue:
Best hosts - top performance
Re: babble-digest V1 #176
Re: IE4 Mac CSS Problem Demo
CSS Paragraphs
One last Netly request
priorities
drop down menu for AOL?
RE: Stabilty of Flash?
my homepages
Press talk
be afraid, be very afraid
Re: Babble Archives
Illustrator 7.0
Re: CSS, IE4 Mac Problem
Re: be afraid, be very afraid
Trademarking
babble-digest Monday, February 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 176
In this issue:
gabbo & jodi
www.gabocorp.com - what's the fuss?
places for free hosting...
trashing people's sites...
Gabocorp
jodi and gabo
IE4 Mac CSS Problem Demo
Interesting idea at Graphica 6 (shinzo.com
babble-digest Sunday, February 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 175
In this issue:
Stabilty of Flash?
RE: TECH: capturing/caching dynamic sites (mac)
More shockwave
babble-digest Saturday, January 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 174
In this issue:
www.jodi.org bashing
Need some javascript help
The mysterious Jodi.org
Re: critiquing Gabocorp...
zdnet critic
Re: Need some javascript help
Babble Archives
Web Fonts
http://www.jodi.org...wow!
web design laboratory
Netly piece on Gabocorp
Re: http://www.jodi.org...wow!
Re: Web Fonts
Re: critiquing Gabocorp...
TECH: capturing/caching dynamic sites (mac)
gabbo v. jodi v. what works
babble-digest Saturday, January 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 173
In this issue:
gabo (again)
Re: typography question
Re: babble-digest V1 #169
Re: babble-digest V1 #172
Re: babble-digest V1 #172
critiquing Gabocorp...
trashing people's sites...
missing the point re Jodi...
Alberto Gabriel Mendoza
throwing up on paintings...
site discussion vs site critique...
The Pesky One-Pixel Border
throwing up on paintings...
Opera - move over NN & IE?
babble-digest Friday, January 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 172
In this issue:
Re: jodi.org style...
Comments on recent comments
RE: CSS, IE4 Mac Problem
Re: jodi.org style...
Re: Discussing sites, apologies
(Cutting a site == Cutting a designer) evaluates to FALSE
Re: NOT 4 epileptics - http://www.jodi.org
on design and civility and duchamp
Style Sheets: Bugs in the Browser
Discussing sites, apologies
[none]
Re: NOT 4 epileptics - http://www.jodi.org
duh (was: bugs in the browser)
re: CSS, IE4 Mac Problem + more...
Re: Discussing sites, apologies
Jodi.org - hhhmmm
typography question
babble-digest Friday, January 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 171
In this issue:
Re: Frame Problems
gabocorp...the voices trail on
price of the web
Flash Support (was Re: gabocorp...)
Re: Flash Support (was Re: gabocorp...)
RE: Flash Support (was Re: gabocorp...)
TECH Re: Flash Support (long)
Re: NOT 4 epileptics - http://www.jodi.org
Re: discussing sites w/o permission of author
RE: Flash Support (was Re: gabocorp...)
Re: NOT 4 epileptics - http://www.jodi.org
Re: NOT 4 epileptics - http://www.jodi.org
Re: NOT 4 epileptics - http://www.jodi.org
Re: NOT 4 epileptics - http://www.jodi.org
Discussing sites, apologies
babble-digest Friday, January 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 170
In this issue:
RE: Babylon and On 5
Web Design Process
Does Mr. Mendoza know?
Re: Does Mr. Mendoza know?
Re: Does Mr. Mendoza know?
QUASI-ADMIN: Site Critiques (was RE: Does Mr. Mendoza know?)
CSS, IE4 Mac Problem
NOT 4 epileptics - http://www.jodi.org
JavaScript books/resources...
font identification, please...
Browserola - http://www.bizdomain.com/browserola/
[none]
Re: Browserola - http://www.bizdomain.com/browserola/
Re: font identification, please...
Re: Does Mr. Mendoza know?
Re: gabocorp - yawn...
Frame Problems
RE: GaboCorp & TV on Web
babble-digest Thursday, January 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 169
In this issue:
printing from a button
Gabocorp: the morning after
Bugs - Nav4 and Java, Flash 2 and PC's
Market Driven Web? (Was: [Re: Gabbo agonistes] )
Re: Babylon 5
Thank You - Starting out in Shockwave
JS Book recommendation?
Gabocorp -- Best Thread Yet!
RE: babble-digest V1 #166
Re: JS Book recommendation?
Re: Gabocorp...
Re: JS Book recommendation?
Re: babble-digest V1 #168
gabbo simpsons parallel?
Re: gabbo simpsons parallel?
Re: REVIEW : R3PTILIA
art vs business
RE: Babylon and On 5
Subject Lines (was Re: babble-digest V1 #168)
Re: Netscape dithering [was: babble-digest V1 #168]
babble-digest Wednesday, January 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 168
In this issue:
Re: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
Re: perl gif utility...
Re: (gabocorp): what their site shows and doesn't show
Gabo
Re: Gabo -- why so shocked?
re: gabo gabo gabo
REVIEW : R3PTILIA
Re[2]: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
Re: REVIEW : R3PTILIA
Re: REVIEW : R3PTILIA
Re: babble-digest V1 #167
Gabocorp...
Re: Subject: Video Capture/Editing?
www.gabocorp.com
re: http://www.gabocorp.com/ and...
Babylon 5
Re: Gabbo agonistes
babble-digest Wednesday, January 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 167
In this issue:
Intranet application question
request for a url (attention: gabocorp gabbers)
Re: Gabocorp
Re: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
Re: printing from a button on the page
Re: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
hail gabbo...sorta
Re: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
perl gif utility...
Re: printing from a button on the page
Re: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
The Gabocorp Hoopla
Re: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
Re: hail gabbo...sorta
RE: Intranet application question
Re[2]: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
Re: hail gabbo...sorta
babble-digest Wednesday, January 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 166
In this issue:
Re: (page refresh)Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
Re: (page refresh)Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
have you seen this?
Re: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
Starting out in Shockwave
Re[2]: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
Re: have you seen this?
RE: Re[2]: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
Re: Starting out in Shockwave
Re: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
Re: seen this? (gabocorp) +
Gabocorp
Re: have you seen this? (gabocorp)
printing from a button on the page
(gabocorp): what their site shows and doesn't show
babble-digest Wednesday, January 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 165
In this issue:
slicing up images...
duH!
Viruses?
Re: found a remedy for navigator problem
Re: babble-digest V1 #162
subject lines and replies
my windows are spawning satan...
repeats..sigh..
Re : Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
onMouseover StatusBar and Dreamweaver
babble-digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 164
In this issue:
Re: Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
Re: pc version of navigator 3.0?
Re: (page refresh)Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
onmouseover--> sounds.
Re: (page refresh)Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
Re: pc version of navigator 3.0?
Re: PC version of Navigator 3.0?
Re: (page refresh)Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
found a remedy for navigator problem
RE: pc version of navigator 3.0?
wysiwyg
Re: onmouseover--> sounds.
hidden inputs
Re: hidden inputs
dreamweaver is okay
background art schematics
Re: onmouseover--> sounds.
Red background?
RE: wysiwyg
babble-digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 163
In this issue:
Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
designing by numbers
Re: Questionnaires
Pop-Up Problems
Re: duH!
Re: Slicing images in PS4
Re: Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
Re: my windows are spawning satan...
Re: Wysiwyg
re: Red background?
red!!!
pc version of navigator 3.0?
Re: Bug in Netscape: in which conditions?
Re: my windows are spawning satan...
Re: pc version of navigator 3.0?
babble-digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 162
In this issue:
Our first spam...
Re: Questionnaires
RE: money and H5...
Re: Our first spam...
hidden inputs
wysiwyg
Re: hidden inputs
Re: hidden inputs
dreamweaver is okay
Re: wysiwyg
RE: wysiwyg
Red background?
RE: wysiwyg
duH!
Re: wysiwyg
Viruses?
subject lines and replies
my windows are spawning satan...
babble-digest Monday, January 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 161
In this issue:
money and H5...
Updated GSM 1800 Phones List
Re: www.toyota.com
babble-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 160
In this issue:
MSIE and HSPACE (was: embedded video)
Web Site Methods
Re: babble-digest V1 #159
Re: babble-digest V1 #159
babble-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 159
In this issue:
Re: targeting frames
Embedded video in IE & NS
Re: targeting frames
Copyright
Re: Pre-caching HTML
Strange kind of redirect...
Background Bug?
Makin' PNGs
I have a particularly vexing problem
babble-digest Saturday, January 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 158
In this issue:
possible java?
RE: list FAQ
Re: java script question/height&width of pop window
Re: targeting frames
Re: targeting frames
Size matters
Questionnaires
No subject was specified.
digitizing video
Mac-PC graphics woes
babble-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 157
In this issue:
SITE Review..
targeting frames
Video Capture/Editing?
Re: Video Capture/Editing?
Re: Netscape 3.0 Gold -Background Bug?
java script question/height&width of pop window
Re: Video Capture/Editing?
Re: targeting frames
Re: java script question/height&width of pop window
Re: java script question/height&width of pop window
Re: java script question/height&width of pop window
tiling jpegs within tables
Re: java script question/height&width of pop window
Window Size
Re: tiling jpegs within tables
Re: tiling jpegs within tables
babble-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 156
In this issue:
[Fwd: tech: cache flushing?]
A suggestion: Urging User Upgrades
babble-digest V1 #155
Now that there is a color chart board...is there a...
netscape free! -and then some... (kinda long)
Re: tech: cache flushing?
RE: Targetting frames
Re: Netscape 3.0 Gold -Background Bug?
babble-digest Thursday, January 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 155
In this issue:
Re: Deja Vu?
Re: babble-digest V1 #153
Old Posts Resurfacing
Re: Email Viruses
Re: babble-digest querie
Re: QuickWeb for speed...
TECH: Re: QuickWeb for speed...
Re: babble-digest querie
RE: Digital Cameras
JPEG Compression
Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables
Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables
Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables
Re: Need help: Netscape is messing up my tables
RE: JPEG Compression
nn4.x and css
Netscape 3.0 Gold -Background Bug?
tech: cache flushing?
babble-digest Thursday, January 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 154
In this issue:
Bell Atlantic and ADSL
FontView V1.3
www.toyota.com
Deja Vu?
Re: www.toyota.com
Re: www.toyota.com
Re: Custom Palettes In PS4, wasting time
books for Web designers...
Digital Cameras/panorama software...
RE: Custom Palettes In PS4, wasting time
JavaScript question...
ADMIN: Old Posts
RE: TECH: Best JPEG compression?
Re: Javascript question
babble-digest Wednesday, January 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 153
In this issue:
HTML: Is it frames or CSS?
FW: WATCH OUT!
Re: scrollbars=0 ?
Re: rollover-to-image map
Scrolling=0, Scrollbars=0
Re: scrollbars=0 ?
Problems with list ?
New to the list
Hebrew anybody ?
THECH : Dreamweaver and aliases
Re: babble-digest V1 #151
js under NS3.0
Re: js under NS3.0
QuickWeb for speed...
Re: was "web speed"
Re: TECH : Dreamweaver and aliases
OT: Re: was "web speed"
RE: babble-digest V1 #100
babble-digest Wednesday, January 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 152
In this issue:
Re: js: mult frame swap w/ one link?
scrollbars=0 ?
babble-digest Tuesday, January 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 151
In this issue:
framswap happy
frameswap fix
Re: what direction - step back?
Re: FWD: Make Max's Day
Re: FWD: Make Max's Day
Re: FWD: Make Max's Day
RE: Re: Bill Gates site (or: What matters)
TECH: Swap any number of frames with one JS function
Browser detect javascript
Re: the "duel part deux" .. cause we can ...
Re: the "duel part deux" .. cause we can ...
Web Servers
another bug (JS) in NS4.04/Win95...
Re: Web Servers
Re: the "duel part deux" .. cause we can ...
Re: babble-digest V1 #150
Re:Make Max's Day
Re: rollover-to-image map
babble-digest Tuesday, January 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 150
In this issue:
Re: Cookies via CGI
Re: Interface Design...some paths
Re: Netscape 2 - where to d/load it from?
Re: Custom Palettes in PS4
Re: Seen these before? + Review + Rave
FWD: Make Max's Day
js: mult frame swap w/ one link?
Web Server Hosting
Re: FWD: Make Max's Day
TECH: js: mult frame swap w/ one link?
Re: metallic/irridescent
Dang, forgot to mention... (was Re: js: multi frame...)
JS: more about frames
Re: Web Server Hosting
Re: Bill Gates site (or: What matters)
Re: FWD: Make Max's Day
RE: TECH: Best JPEG compression?
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